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| 08:56.22 | AntiLoop | anyone with detailed knowledge of pgui here ? |
| 09:56.05 | thebolt | morning TD |
| 10:01.20 | TD | morning |
| 10:01.31 | thebolt | or maby it is evening for you ;) |
| 10:01.41 | TD | morning :) |
| 10:01.58 | thebolt | ok :) well, its rather mid-day here.. but i recently got up so i call it morning |
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| 12:57.13 | Dentoid | scanline, there? |
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| 14:24.07 | prpplague | morning all |
| 14:25.21 | file-mctnlug | morning... oh joy |
| 14:27.44 | prpplague | hmmm, are we still using the old.picogui.org site? or can we start doing stuff with the wiki? |
| 14:45.19 | prpplague | scanline: ping |
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| 16:24.44 | prpplague | file-mctnlug: i know you hang out here alot, whats the latest on pg? |
| 16:24.55 | prpplague | file-mctnlug: the web site seems inactive |
| 16:25.04 | prpplague | and i've not seen scanline lately |
| 16:25.27 | file-mctnlug | prpplague: he's been... busy |
| 16:25.36 | prpplague | file-mctnlug: lol, oh? |
| 16:25.37 | file-mctnlug | prpplague: I don't think there's been any real work |
| 16:26.31 | prpplague | file-mctnlug: you said that in an odd way |
| 16:26.40 | prpplague | file-mctnlug: what do mean "busy" |
| 16:26.57 | file-mctnlug | prpplague: internet stuff, sleep, lan parties, work |
| 16:27.04 | prpplague | file-mctnlug: ahh |
| 16:27.26 | prpplague | file-mctnlug: so has pg dev come to an end? |
| 16:27.35 | thebolt | file-mctnlug: latest i know is that it now works on windows, both in mingw and msvc |
| 16:27.44 | thebolt | (well, not the code in reposity, but a version Dentoid have) |
| 16:27.53 | file-mctnlug | thebolt: aye |
| 16:27.57 | file-mctnlug | prpplague: nah, just... stalled |
| 16:28.08 | file-mctnlug | even mailing list has been a wee bit silent imho |
| 16:29.01 | file-mctnlug | prpplague: I forget the last time I've heard about scanline work on PicoGUI |
| 16:29.21 | prpplague | ahh bummer |
| 16:29.41 | prpplague | now that i have some time to do dev, the project seems abandoned |
| 16:29.47 | file-mctnlug | hehe |
| 16:30.59 | thebolt | prpplague: its just to carry on |
| 16:31.24 | prpplague | thebolt: ? |
| 16:31.49 | thebolt | well, i mean, if you want to dev, carry on dev.ing picogui (even though scanline doesn't atm) |
| 16:32.09 | file-mctnlug | prpplague: please do carry on... you'd probably bring new aspects |
| 16:32.16 | file-mctnlug | till now scanline has been the only guru.. |
| 16:33.07 | prpplague | well, i was just looking at the wiki, i can't add docs or make changes |
| 16:33.22 | prpplague | guess, i'll have to do my own thing for awhile |
| 16:42.18 | prpplague | anyone know if there is microtouch touch screen support in pg? |
| 16:45.28 | file-mctnlug | I will brb, need to setup Novell Netware Client |
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| 16:52.55 | file-mctnlug | there... done |
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| 19:11.44 | scanline | prpplague: picogui in general isn't dead, but I'm not developing pg1 any more, and pg2 hasn't really got started yet |
| 19:11.58 | prpplague | scanline: ahh ok |
| 19:12.05 | scanline | prpplague: as of a few weeks ago I was working on PGBuild, but right now I'm taking a break working on a different project |
| 19:12.14 | prpplague | scanline: ok |
| 19:12.29 | prpplague | scanline: well when you get ready, feel like having an apprentice? lol |
| 19:12.30 | lalo | hi guys |
| 19:12.36 | scanline | :) |
| 19:12.38 | scanline | hi lalo |
| 19:12.44 | prpplague | hey lalo |
| 19:13.03 | lalo | prpplague: kind of not officially I'm slowly taking over maintanence of pg1 so that Micah can focus on pg2 |
| 19:13.32 | lalo | if you want to help, I'd be more than glad to guide you trough the parts of the code I already managed to grok |
| 19:14.22 | prpplague | ok, i was just think docs wise, i'd kinda like access to the wiki to make some pages, but thats up to you guys |
| 19:14.37 | scanline | prpplague: anyone can get access to the wiki |
| 19:14.40 | lalo | access to the wiki is open |
| 19:14.47 | scanline | you just need to create a picogui.org account |
| 19:14.58 | lalo | yes we do badly need docs, go for it :-) |
| 19:14.59 | prpplague | scanline: i already did, but i can't seem to add pages |
| 19:15.12 | prpplague | maybe i'm not familiar with that wiki |
| 19:15.14 | scanline | hmm |
| 19:15.26 | scanline | what error do you get? |
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| 19:15.50 | prpplague | scanline: something to the effect i need to be set up with admin account to add pages |
| 19:16.14 | Mai | hiya, scanline, how are you??? |
| 19:16.25 | scanline | I'm doing alright :) |
| 19:16.34 | scanline | Going to be moving into my first apartment and starting school again soon |
| 19:17.20 | AntiLoop | i'm triing to compile some pgui apps and compiler can't find picogui.h, there was no such file in tarball |
| 19:17.23 | AntiLoop | where do i get it ? |
| 19:17.37 | scanline | AntiLoop: it's part of the C client library, you need to install that |
| 19:17.56 | lalo | prpplague: if you can try again and tell me exactly what you did and what you got, I can probably fix it |
| 19:18.18 | AntiLoop | scanline: cli_c ? |
| 19:18.26 | scanline | AntiLoop: yep |
| 19:18.26 | Mai | scanline: yay, cool :D |
| 19:18.33 | scanline | :) |
| 19:18.53 | AntiLoop | 10x |
| 19:18.53 | lalo | AntiLoop: from the tarball, you need to first install pgserver, then cli_c, then the apps you want |
| 19:19.01 | AntiLoop | i get it |
| 19:19.09 | AntiLoop | and i made it compile on bsd |
| 19:19.12 | AntiLoop | and run too :) |
| 19:19.23 | AntiLoop | fbsd i mean |
| 19:19.30 | scanline | cool |
| 19:19.39 | scanline | I think someone made picogui run on netbsd, but that was a while ago |
| 19:19.43 | prpplague | lalo: ok |
| 19:19.47 | scanline | nice to see it run on more than just linux |
| 19:20.06 | AntiLoop | only problem is svgalib, whan i run it svgalib crashe |
| 19:20.15 | scanline | you shouldn't be using svgalib anyway probably |
| 19:20.36 | AntiLoop | what than, i have sdl working well, but on top of X |
| 19:21.03 | scanline | well, you probably don't have much choice but to keep using X until someone can come up with a way to separate out X's drivers |
| 19:21.10 | AntiLoop | yes it was ported to netbsd, i'll also make fbsd port when it compile fulently |
| 19:21.25 | AntiLoop | fbsd support svgalib |
| 19:21.28 | scanline | svgalib and the framebuffer both are unaccelerated, which can be very slow for high resolutions |
| 19:21.34 | AntiLoop | i have some test apps running |
| 19:21.56 | AntiLoop | hm, what else could i use? |
| 19:22.01 | AntiLoop | except X |
| 19:22.01 | scanline | the only real option besides X for desktop video is DirectFB, and its acceleration is still nowhere as good as X |
| 19:22.17 | prpplague | lalo: oh well, it appears to be working now |
| 19:22.23 | AntiLoop | i'll try with that then |
| 19:22.28 | scanline | AntiLoop: your best option is really to use X |
| 19:22.48 | lalo | prpplague: computers are crazy :-P |
| 19:22.55 | AntiLoop | scanline: i would like to use pgui as replacement for X |
| 19:23.02 | scanline | AntiLoop: that's not practical yet |
| 19:23.14 | scanline | AntiLoop: there are two big problems with it- |
| 19:23.26 | scanline | 1. There is no way to use X's video drivers without X |
| 19:23.32 | scanline | 2. There are no applications for picogui |
| 19:23.38 | scanline | and another rather important problem: |
| 19:23.41 | AntiLoop | 2. is not a problem |
| 19:23.44 | scanline | 3. PicoGUI's design has large flaws in it |
| 19:23.51 | AntiLoop | i will run only 1 app |
| 19:24.33 | scanline | ok, so you're using it as a replacement for X in a limited application rather than in the general sense? |
| 19:24.49 | AntiLoop | exactly |
| 19:24.55 | scanline | ah, ok |
| 19:25.17 | AntiLoop | and speed isn't so important so i'll try to use directfb |
| 19:25.29 | AntiLoop | it's true |
| 19:25.32 | scanline | well, DirectFB will be fairly fast on the cards it supports |
| 19:25.34 | AntiLoop | but i like bsd more |
| 19:25.35 | scanline | but it doesn't support many |
| 19:25.41 | scanline | ah, bsd, sorry |
| 19:25.55 | AntiLoop | we agreed about linux kernel in genereal |
| 19:26.03 | AntiLoop | i'll work on bsd version |
| 19:26.20 | scanline | so why are you using picogui? |
| 19:26.31 | AntiLoop | hm it's best |
| 19:26.38 | AntiLoop | i searched for similar projects |
| 19:26.47 | AntiLoop | but i didn't find any usable |
| 19:26.55 | scanline | I would disagree about it being best, and about picogui being usable |
| 19:27.06 | AntiLoop | well fresco is near |
| 19:27.09 | AntiLoop | any other ? |
| 19:27.15 | scanline | well ok, picogui is closer to usable than fresco |
| 19:27.23 | scanline | but neither are usable yet |
| 19:27.34 | AntiLoop | enough usable for me |
| 19:27.53 | scanline | ok.. but my main question is why you aren't using X |
| 19:27.57 | AntiLoop | i need some compact os with gui for some industrial printers |
| 19:28.06 | AntiLoop | X is too big |
| 19:28.08 | lalo | picogui is quite usable... not 100% usable but quite usable IMO |
| 19:28.22 | AntiLoop | it's usable enought for me |
| 19:28.30 | scanline | tried TinyX/KDrive? They are about the same size as picogui IIRC |
| 19:28.36 | lalo | for a specialized "usable" it may be enough - it's usable enough for my PDA for instance |
| 19:30.28 | AntiLoop | u see, i need only basic widgets |
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| 20:07.57 | Dentoid | HI |
| 20:08.02 | Dentoid | Uhm. "Hi". |
| 20:09.19 | lalo | hi Dentoid |
| 20:09.28 | Dentoid | Hey lalo |
| 20:09.40 | Dentoid | You were the one who managed to get Pico running in cygwin right? |
| 20:11.38 | lalo | yes, mostly :-) |
| 20:11.46 | Dentoid | :) |
| 20:11.58 | lalo | I've got reports that current svn compiles straightforwardly, unless you are french. |
| 20:12.01 | Dentoid | Well yesterday I got it working in mingw without cygwin, and later also in MSVC |
| 20:12.22 | Dentoid | Actually I never got it compiling _with_ cygwin tho. :) |
| 20:12.49 | lalo | without cygwin? how heroic :-) |
| 20:13.10 | Dentoid | But that just might be that the day before yesterday was my first encounter with unix-ish stuff at all. :) |
| 20:13.14 | lalo | although running it with cygwin is already a hack of sorts because SDL is mingw |
| 20:13.38 | Dentoid | Yeah, it was SDL that screwed up stuff I think. |
| 20:13.39 | Dentoid | IIRc |
| 20:14.12 | Dentoid | Currently trying to get it running and render in Crystal Space (a 3D engine). It's a bit tricky. |
| 20:14.29 | lalo | the right thing to do actually would provide a few special cases in the build system... but since we're trowing it away already that would be quite pointless |
| 20:14.56 | Dentoid | :) |
| 20:15.21 | lalo | if you get CS+PGUI running on Windows I'll be *VERY* interested |
| 20:15.34 | Dentoid | Well I've got it rendering stuff, but not really correct. |
| 20:15.42 | lalo | pgui is the best thing that happened to CS in the field of in-game UI |
| 20:15.50 | Dentoid | Mhm |
| 20:16.00 | Dentoid | The blit doesn't work as it should. |
| 20:16.12 | Dentoid | But hooking CS in as a video driver is fixed. |
| 20:16.41 | Dentoid | I had to add a call to Pico tho, but it might work without that too (it was just the fastest way :) |
| 20:18.11 | lalo | I've never actually seen CS+PGUI running... there is a demo in cvs right? I'll try it out tonight |
| 20:18.42 | lalo | or are there screenshots? |
| 20:18.48 | Dentoid | That one doesn't work :) |
| 20:18.55 | lalo | really? :-) |
| 20:18.57 | Dentoid | Or well, I've started making it work today. |
| 20:19.06 | lalo | not even in unix? |
| 20:19.17 | Dentoid | Nope. |
| 20:19.29 | Dentoid | The hook into pico I added today is needed. |
| 20:19.35 | Dentoid | http://dentoid.mine.nu/cspics/pico1.jpg |
| 20:19.37 | lalo | IC |
| 20:19.45 | Dentoid | That's the most sensible ouput I've got so far. :) |
| 20:20.07 | lalo | q1: does it load themes if you tell it to? |
| 20:20.34 | lalo | q2: can you make it translucent? IIRC CS allows that with not too much pain |
| 20:20.38 | Dentoid | a1: Yes, although bitmap loading doesn't work very well, so it looks like crap. |
| 20:21.13 | Dentoid | a2: Not right now, it can only output straight to the display, but eventually it should be possible I guess. |
| 20:21.18 | lalo | well, if you need to make impressive-looking screenshots for some reason, use lucid ;-) |
| 20:21.28 | Dentoid | A theme? |
| 20:21.32 | lalo | yes |
| 20:21.37 | lalo | it looks cool and uses no images |
| 20:21.58 | Dentoid | Ah, neat... |
| 20:22.15 | Dentoid | Could you compile it for me? (I haven't got the theme compiler working. :) |
| 20:22.15 | lalo | there was one of the CS in-game UI thingamajigs that allowed rendering to a surface... that would be very cool if eventually possible |
| 20:22.22 | lalo | sure |
| 20:22.43 | lalo | we used to have a repository for compiled themes but I guess it just isn't being updated anymore :-) |
| 20:22.58 | lalo | hmm... do I mail it to you? |
| 20:23.05 | Dentoid | andersstenberg@telia.com |
| 20:24.44 | lalo | done |
| 20:24.52 | Dentoid | Thanks. |
| 20:24.58 | Dentoid | Does it use gradients? |
| 20:27.13 | lalo | no |
| 20:27.26 | Dentoid | Good. Not sure if we can handle those. :) |
| 20:27.28 | lalo | just clever use of primitves and fonts |
| 20:27.57 | scanline | lucid does abuse picogui's simple clipping rectangles though |
| 20:28.19 | lalo | true. |
| 20:28.19 | scanline | though since that's handled above the video driver level, you should be fine :) |
| 20:28.28 | Dentoid | :) |
| 20:28.34 | Dentoid | Hi scanline, btw :) |
| 20:28.36 | scanline | hiya |
| 20:29.49 | Dentoid | lalo, no need, I just tested it on a standalone build of pgserver |
| 20:30.16 | lalo | scanline: perhaps we could put the themes section (.th and all_widgets screenshot) on svn where it's the easiest place to update? |
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| 20:31.04 | scanline | suppose so |
| 20:31.11 | lalo | Dentoid: good, because there aren't screenshots of it :-) |
| 20:31.15 | scanline | that page is on freshmeat now, right? |
| 20:31.16 | Dentoid | :) |
| 20:31.24 | lalo | scanline: I think it is |
| 20:31.26 | scanline | IIRC I have the download URLs pointing to old.picogui.org/themes |
| 20:31.32 | lalo | but we just keep forgetting to update it |
| 20:32.06 | lalo[out] | ok, have to go eat something, brb |
| 20:32.09 | scanline | bye ;a;p |
| 20:32.12 | scanline | er. lalo |
| 20:32.22 | lalo[out] | better than kaki :-) |
| 20:32.33 | scanline | hehe |
| 20:54.11 | CIA | 11trunk/media r084526 03lalo: adding a directory for compiled themes |
| 21:02.59 | thebolt | hi all |
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