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| 01:15.01 | Dentoid | Hey |
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| 13:16.45 | Dentoid | Anyone know anything about building PicoGUI under cygwin? |
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| 13:18.45 | scanline | Dentoid: it isn't really supported, just possible |
| 13:19.05 | Dentoid | scanline, well it's going half fine so far. :) |
| 13:19.13 | scanline | Dentoid: I think the only person that has made it work was lalo, and he put some instructions on the wiki |
| 13:19.16 | scanline | I've never tried it |
| 13:19.36 | Dentoid | I think this or more of a "me don't knowing unix and has forgotten something in cygwin"-problem :) |
| 13:19.46 | Dentoid | s/don't/not |
| 13:20.05 | scanline | hmm |
| 13:20.11 | Dentoid | I don't get the __CYGWIN__ define |
| 13:20.47 | scanline | I'd think it would be the compiler itself |
| 13:21.00 | scanline | are you sure it's not compiling with the -mno-cygwin flag? |
| 13:21.51 | Dentoid | Ah, that'd be the problem. "-mno-cygwin" is set in DRIVER_CFLAGS |
| 13:21.54 | Dentoid | in the makefiles |
| 13:22.00 | Dentoid | How do I disable that? |
| 13:22.09 | scanline | ah yes... someone else had mentioned SDL setting that flag |
| 13:22.28 | scanline | not sure if there's a good way to remove it.. you could just edit the makefile |
| 13:22.38 | Dentoid | makefiles :) |
| 13:22.45 | Dentoid | It's in everyone of them. |
| 13:22.52 | scanline | hrmph |
| 13:22.58 | scanline | well, one more reason the current build system sucks... |
| 13:23.13 | scanline | I had been working on the pgbuild stuff, but needed a break.. last few weeks I've been working on a new project |
| 13:23.14 | Dentoid | And that new fancy one doesn't work yet does it? |
| 13:23.33 | Dentoid | Yeah, I know the feeling. :) |
| 13:23.43 | scanline | PyBZFlag :) |
| 13:24.37 | Dentoid | Uh? |
| 13:24.38 | Dentoid | :) |
| 13:25.04 | scanline | it's a set of python modules that do bzflag-related stuff, and are protocol compatible with bzflag |
| 13:25.14 | scanline | so far it's mostly network code and 3D rendering |
| 13:25.20 | Dentoid | Well I don't even know what bzflag is. :) |
| 13:25.40 | scanline | oh. it's a pretty popular open source 3D tank game that's been around for about 10 years |
| 13:25.49 | scanline | http://bzflag.org/ |
| 13:26.15 | Dentoid | Ah ok, think I've seen it sometime. |
| 13:26.26 | scanline | so PyBZFlag is fully protocol-compatible with BZFlag, but it has a nifty new architecture that lets me do some cool stuff with it |
| 13:26.34 | scanline | for example, improving the quality of the graphics |
| 13:26.45 | Dentoid | Ok :) |
| 13:26.48 | scanline | I've been amazed at the kind of 3D rendering I can do in pure Python code :) |
| 13:26.51 | Dentoid | I can see that's needed. :) |
| 13:27.09 | scanline | http://navi.picogui.org/images/bzflag/ <-- PyBZFlag |
| 13:27.16 | scanline | (well, most of those are pybzflag) |
| 13:27.52 | scanline | does multitexturing, decals, environment maps, cloth simulation, and such all in Python using PyOpenGL and Numeric |
| 13:27.52 | Dentoid | :) |
| 13:29.36 | Dentoid | You don't know any "real" solution for that "-mno-cygwin" problem? |
| 13:30.15 | scanline | no.. it's probably sdl-configure inserting that flag |
| 13:30.20 | Dentoid | Oh well, I'll just do a search/replace. :) |
| 13:30.32 | scanline | it would be best just to finish the real win32 support so it doesn't need cygwin |
| 13:32.30 | Dentoid | Yeah, I was gonna have a look at that actually. |
| 13:32.55 | Dentoid | But I'm a bad choice of personnel for the task I guess, since I suck at building stuff. :) |
| 13:33.10 | scanline | :) |
| 13:33.11 | scanline | good luck |
| 13:33.31 | Dentoid | I sure might need it. :) |
| 13:34.16 | Dentoid | Are there many posix (or whatever it's called :) specific things in the code, or is it mostly the build system? |
| 13:34.48 | scanline | it's mostly the build system. All the OS-specific code should be separated out into a file in the 'os' directory |
| 13:34.54 | Dentoid | Ah, good. |
| 13:35.06 | Dentoid | Man, for every line I write I feel like a moron. :) |
| 13:35.17 | scanline | the only exception is the network code,.. it needs the cleanup badly still, but in the past it has worked with windows, so there should still be the right #ifdefs |
| 13:35.37 | scanline | nah, you're a far braver man than I to work on this at all :) |
| 13:36.36 | Dentoid | I'm rather fed up with CS for the moment, so that's why I'm looking at this. :) |
| 13:36.42 | scanline | hehe |
| 13:37.16 | scanline | I've been really happy with the performance of doing all this OpenGL stuff in python |
| 13:37.26 | Dentoid | "I'm an alien, I'm a legal alien, I'm a win-user in #picogui" |
| 13:37.30 | scanline | even the cloth simulation is pretty speedy |
| 13:37.34 | scanline | hehe |
| 13:37.34 | Dentoid | Neat |
| 13:37.57 | Dentoid | I'm not happy with the performance of cygwin. Takes forever to build stuff, often just to see it didn't work. :) |
| 13:38.11 | scanline | perlin noise is still pretty slow... but that's to be expected with tricubic interpolation or whatever this is called :) |
| 13:38.35 | Dentoid | Hehe |
| 13:38.46 | scanline | well, that's another reason python is so refreshing... really portable, no compiling |
| 13:39.00 | scanline | I'm planning on prototyping all the pg2 and Om stuff in Python |
| 13:39.37 | scanline | since Om will be based on a language-independent protocol, it should be easy to swap out parts with C code as they're written |
| 13:40.17 | Dentoid | Mhm |
| 13:43.35 | Dentoid | Where do the config options end up? |
| 13:43.42 | Dentoid | I mean the ones set by "make config" |
| 13:44.18 | scanline | profile.user |
| 13:44.23 | Dentoid | Thanks |
| 13:44.27 | scanline | np |
| 13:44.30 | Dentoid | Btw, when I do "make" it seems like it rebuilds all, even stuff that was built last time I tried.. Is that expected? |
| 13:44.41 | Dentoid | (It didn't do that when I built SDL.) |
| 13:44.54 | scanline | hmm.. the system is pretty stupid about dependencies, but if you haven't changed anything it shouldn't rebuild anything |
| 13:45.22 | Dentoid | Maybe it's just me that is impatient, and underestimate the time cygwin takes to do stuff. :) |
| 13:45.25 | scanline | anyway, I need to get a little bit of sleep |
| 13:45.30 | Dentoid | Ok, see ya. |
| 13:45.33 | scanline | see ya :) |
| 13:46.01 | Dentoid | Before you go... |
| 13:46.07 | Dentoid | Or are you already gone? :) |
| 13:46.33 | Dentoid | Darn. :( |
| 14:09.42 | bn | Dentoid: using pg on cygwin? |
| 14:09.48 | Dentoid | Yeah |
| 14:09.54 | Dentoid | Or well, trying to :) |
| 14:10.03 | bn | :) for me, it works. |
| 14:10.15 | bn | were's the problem? |
| 14:10.41 | Dentoid | Get an error at ttykb.c |
| 14:11.10 | Dentoid | But AFAIK I chose not to compile tty keyboard input driver. |
| 14:11.11 | bn | with lalo's instructions from the wiki? |
| 14:11.16 | Dentoid | Yes |
| 14:11.27 | bn | Try my config, I posted it on the list recently |
| 14:11.48 | Dentoid | Or hmm, maybe I didn't follow them to the letter. :) |
| 14:12.45 | Dentoid | Missed the second ./configure :) |
| 14:12.54 | bn | http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=2789694&forum_id=4592 |
| 14:13.32 | Dentoid | I'm gonna try my config first, and if that doesn't work I'll use yours. :) |
| 14:13.53 | bn | ok good luck :) ... gotta leave now |
| 14:13.57 | bn | cu |
| 14:14.00 | Dentoid | Thanks. See ya. |
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