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| 20:47.14 | TD | scanline: there? |
| 20:47.23 | TD | scanline: i was wondering if you had checked out http://aegis.sourceforge.net/ |
| 20:47.30 | TD | compared to subversion maybe |
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| 20:57.05 | CIA | 11trunk/tools/irc/filters r084523 03micah: This should fix an infinite loop in xfree86.py that keeps clogging up navi with processes eating up all the CPU they can get. |
| 20:57.22 | TD | ah |
| 20:57.24 | TD | so you are there |
| 20:57.41 | lalo | me? |
| 20:57.49 | file | me? |
| 20:57.58 | scanline | morning TD |
| 20:58.00 | scanline | morning lalo |
| 20:58.09 | lalo | hi scanline! long time no chat :-) |
| 20:58.09 | TD | scanline |
| 20:58.17 | scanline | :) |
| 20:58.26 | TD | i poked you earlier, assumed you were out/asleep/whatever |
| 20:58.36 | lalo | so, wanna trade pg1 for om? |
| 20:58.59 | scanline | TD: well, I just got back with a bowl of rice krispies after waking up :) |
| 20:59.11 | scanline | lalo: sure :) |
| 20:59.15 | TD | hehe |
| 20:59.45 | TD | i haven't had any rice krispies for ages |
| 20:59.59 | file | I had a rice krispies bar Thursday |
| 21:00.05 | lalo | I think I already wrote enough of Om to express my vision... I'd surely like to continue, but if you want to get rid of pg1 then you can probably take it over |
| 21:00.16 | TD | lalo: any more docs, or is the code it? |
| 21:00.27 | lalo | besides I don't have the slightest idea how to add some features you want ;-) |
| 21:00.37 | scanline | hehe |
| 21:00.44 | lalo | TD: just code right now |
| 21:01.12 | lalo | although there is a check.c file that serves as API example |
| 21:01.14 | scanline | it's probably going to become more documentation-oriented, as the vision I have involves the code being much less important than the interface |
| 21:01.53 | TD | hm |
| 21:02.01 | TD | the MIT school of design :) |
| 21:02.09 | TD | scanline: so yeah, have you checked out aegis? |
| 21:02.29 | scanline | TD: nope. a quick look at its web site is interesting though |
| 21:02.46 | scanline | looks a bit more like bitkeeper than subversion |
| 21:03.01 | lalo | ...but you know my feelings about the whole "application" concept :-) |
| 21:03.21 | lalo | I want to get rid of application development and into class development |
| 21:03.21 | scanline | lalo: indeed |
| 21:03.38 | TD | lalo: you ever try opendoc? |
| 21:04.27 | lalo | TD: rings a bell but I don't remember what it is, care to refresh my memory? |
| 21:04.35 | lalo | some apple API? |
| 21:05.07 | TD | it was cross platform actually. I never used it either, apple managed to kill it pretty effectively. However, the book fascinated me, it sounded like a very powerful system |
| 21:05.34 | TD | it was like OLE but done right. whereas ole is more an MS toy for embedding excel inside word, OpenDoc actually removed the application concept |
| 21:05.47 | TD | rather, you had simply "documents" into which were embedded "parts" |
| 21:05.56 | TD | they could ,iirc, discover each others capabilities and auto connect |
| 21:06.13 | TD | there was also "stationary", which were premade documents with collections of parts |
| 21:06.26 | TD | opendoc provided the framework for this, as well as Bento, a structured storage system (ie filing system in a file) |
| 21:06.42 | TD | well, it was all very advanced for its time, but never really took off for the usual reasons |
| 21:06.53 | lalo | aha |
| 21:06.56 | TD | closest i've seen to a real world system that removed apps from the equation though |
| 21:07.15 | lalo | I read about it, but at the time I knew it was going to die so I didn't bother to actually use it ;-) |
| 21:07.20 | lalo | but it's an interesting concept |
| 21:07.43 | lalo | Apple actually did it even better than OpenDoc: the Newton OS was the best thing I've seen to date WRT OO-ness. |
| 21:07.48 | TD | lol. well, i was more naive |
| 21:07.52 | TD | i just found the book at a library |
| 21:08.05 | TD | i should have realised it wasn't going anywhere when I spent several hours trying to find a win32 binary of it |
| 21:08.17 | TD | even altavista wasn't that bad. |
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| 23:13.25 | njs | there are several OpenDoc freaks among the fresco crowd actually. |
| 23:13.33 | njs | I have a print-out of the spec around here somewhere... |