| 00:00.32 | scanline | if that is indeed possible, we could define a theme language that's a subset of python, so on big systems we could use plain old python, and on tiny embedded systems we could use this micro-python |
| 00:01.36 | lalo | that's conceivably possible |
| 00:02.54 | lalo | hmm |
| 00:02.54 | lalo | yes, that can be done :-) |
| 00:03.11 | scanline | I looked at the bytecodes, and they appear to be quite manageable |
| 00:03.41 | scanline | the .pyc format isn't documented well as far as I could see, but I did eventually find information on the marshalling it uses by reading some source |
| 00:03.58 | lalo | there is jython too |
| 00:04.46 | scanline | it could turn into an interesting project.. an alternative python runtime that focuses on smallness rather than completeness |
| 00:05.28 | scanline | would be best to do it on top of Om, since Om will already have most of the data types it needs |
| 00:07.19 | lalo | I was pondering on that |
| 00:07.58 | scanline | then of course to run themes using the full python interpreter, you'd just use the usual Om protocol for python |
| 00:07.58 | lalo | "damn, I'm reimplementing most of the basic data types" :-P |
| 00:08.38 | scanline | well, that's another argument for prototyping Om and pg2 in python first... less low-level coding, more time to make sure the architecture is sound |
| 00:09.06 | scanline | that's one of the big problems with pg1... I would spend months on low-level stuff like memory management and interpreters, blind to the big picture |
| 00:19.11 | lalo | am I still connected? |
| 00:20.29 | gonkulator | looks like it |
| 00:21.17 | file | ABC is showing a nice movie... |
| 00:25.41 | scanline | wow, getting some pretty relatively-heavy rain here |
| 00:27.06 | CIA | 11trunk/pg1/client/python/PicoGUI r084435 03lalo: packing of writecmd was actually wrong |
| 00:29.19 | CIA | 11trunk/pg1/client/python/PicoGUI r084436 03lalo: allow delWidget() with a handle too |
| 00:33.47 | gonkulator | scanline: I figured it out |
| 00:34.50 | scanline | hm? |
| 00:35.01 | gonkulator | that HP |
| 00:35.09 | scanline | what was wrong? |
| 00:35.26 | gonkulator | it can't autodetect cd-roms correctly |
| 00:35.46 | gonkulator | AND, some boob (probably me) set the cd-rom to slave when it was the only device on that controller |
| 00:36.06 | scanline | hehe |
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| 01:00.54 | scanline | lalo: hmm, what's that? |
| 01:01.42 | lalo | a CSI escape flag |
| 01:01.45 | CIA | 11trunk/pg1/server/widget r084438 03lalo: since I added this command stuff a while ago, I might as well make it actually do something |
| 01:01.49 | scanline | ah |
| 01:01.53 | lalo | when it's set, all \n are interpreted as \r\n |
| 01:02.00 | scanline | neat |
| 01:02.22 | lalo | I needed it because it's the easiest way to dump existing strings (eg files) to the terminal :-) |
| 01:03.15 | scanline | :) |
| 01:05.10 | CIA | 11trunk/pg1/server r084439 03lalo: dumping errors and debugative spew to stderr so that it doesn't disturb the ncurses video driver |
| 01:06.28 | lalo | I wonder if I should put the crossfire client in picogui's svn or submit it to the crossfire gods |
| 01:06.48 | scanline | haha, you wrote a picogui crossfire client? |
| 01:07.07 | scanline | could just toss it in apps, once this pgbuild stuff works we won't have to worry about keeping the size of apps down |
| 01:07.28 | lalo | I'm writing, not "I wrote" :-) |
| 01:07.45 | scanline | :) |
| 01:07.49 | lalo | it displays some of the interesting info already but not the map or inventory |
| 01:07.57 | lalo | but the cool part of the project is |
| 01:08.36 | lalo | there is some code to detect whether it's running on ncurses (or another text-mode driver that may exist in the future), and if so, it will display stuff as characters, nethack-like |
| 01:08.49 | scanline | hehe |
| 01:08.57 | scanline | how does it do that detection? |
| 01:09.26 | lalo | if the width of a panelbar is 1 |
| 01:09.38 | scanline | hmm |
| 01:09.43 | scanline | good enough for pg1 I guess :) |
| 01:09.50 | lalo | yes |
| 01:10.05 | lalo | for pg2 it would not be possible of course :-) |
| 01:10.18 | lalo | I would do it much differently |
| 01:10.51 | lalo | probably by hooking an object up the widget tree that knows how to render itself either graphically or "characterically" |
| 01:10.57 | scanline | would be good to get information about the video driver similarly to what you get when trying to use SHM, but in a more generic way |
| 01:11.26 | scanline | lalo: I'm really looking forward to designing the widget and layout modules in pg2 :) |
| 01:11.40 | scanline | I want the app to be able to specify it's UI at any level of detail... |
| 01:11.59 | scanline | so you could specify an abstract collection of objects with abstract commands, and they get mapped to something appropriate for the current device |
| 01:12.15 | scanline | or for interfacing with Gtk or Qt apps, specify exactly as much information as Qt/Gtk usually get |
| 01:12.49 | scanline | that would solve pg1's big problem of having a rigid layout system that didn't play nice with other toolkits |
| 01:18.55 | lalo | hmm |
| 01:19.13 | lalo | I just realized how much my machine at home kicks ass (except for the video of course) |
| 01:20.28 | scanline | hehe |
| 01:20.32 | lalo | when I changed some headers which pretty much all files depended on, it recompiled pgserver so fast that I didn't have time enough to get annoyed |
| 01:20.56 | scanline | what kind of machine is it? |
| 01:21.56 | lalo | ahtlon xp |
| 01:22.06 | lalo | something > 2Gz |
| 01:22.11 | scanline | wow, nice |
| 01:22.22 | scanline | fastest one I have at the moment is 1.66GHz :) |
| 01:22.58 | scanline | for a while it was dual, but either the motherboard or one of the CPUs decided to spontaneously not like that... |
| 01:23.06 | scanline | so I turned it into two single-CPU machines |
| 01:37.21 | lalo | hmm |
| 01:37.21 | lalo | it would be cool if I could derive inside an indicator |
| 01:37.21 | lalo | how hard would that be? |
| 01:38.27 | scanline | pretty easy.. probably just need to add a 'sub' pointer in the indicator's install function |
| 01:40.22 | lalo | it kinds of make sense to display the numerical value *inside* the colored bar |
| 01:41.36 | scanline | yes |
| 01:51.48 | lalo | as I abused panels in the client, it looks awful on lucid and photonic, so I took the screenshot with fluidity :-P |
| 01:52.03 | scanline | hehe |
| 01:53.48 | lalo | http://picogui.org/Members/lalo/pg-crossfire-0.png/photo_view |
| 01:54.58 | scanline | hehe |
| 01:55.02 | scanline | nice XDirectFB :) |
| 01:55.18 | lalo | yes |
| 01:55.48 | lalo | I usually set the window to 100% before a screenshot, but directfb wasn't willing to cooperate on that issue :-) |
| 01:56.04 | scanline | nah, it looks good |
| 01:56.14 | scanline | if only picogui could do that by itself :) |
| 01:56.20 | scanline | or X, for that matter... |
| 01:56.45 | scanline | hmm.. since you're using DirectFB anyway, maybe you could write a rootless DirectFB driver for picogui =) |
| 01:56.52 | lalo | I thought of that. |
| 01:57.12 | scanline | doesn't directfb have a multiplexer-doodad for running multiple apps? |
| 01:57.17 | lalo | but to be able to reasonably debug it I need the multi-application core and I wasn't yet able to get it to work |
| 01:57.22 | lalo | exactly |
| 01:57.24 | scanline | ah, that's it |
| 01:57.25 | lalo | it depends on a kernel module |
| 01:57.32 | scanline | oh.. fruity |
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| 09:50.36 | CIA | 11trunk/pgbuild r084452 03micah: Fix an incorrect filename in the README |
| 10:03.29 | CIA | 11. r084453 03micah: Moving picogui-0.42 from tags to releases |
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| 10:23.35 | scanline | whee... |
| 10:23.37 | scanline | micah@yoshi pgbuild $ ./build --nuke -m hello |
| 10:23.37 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:23.37 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:40.17 | remy_rys | -< tries to install picogui |
| 19:42.50 | remy_rys | but cannot make menuconfig (there is no lxdialog on my system) |
| 19:50.20 | remy_rys | and make does not compile |
| 20:00.32 | remy_rys | lxdialog? any idea where I can get that one? |
| 20:01.09 | Xentac | remy_rys: that should be included with the picogui build system |
| 20:01.19 | Xentac | in a directory of similar name... |
| 20:01.38 | remy_rys | I will have look... |
| 20:04.06 | remy_rys | yeah got it |
| 20:18.32 | remy_rys | but make in pgserver/configscript does nothing, so lxdialog is not bult |
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| 20:43.12 | remy_rys | make menuconfig is broken, will use make config |
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| 21:20.38 | remy_rys | success: I just succesfully compiled pgserver and wel, it seems to work... |
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| 21:52.12 | lalo | ooo, gaim is working today. |
| 21:52.25 | lalo | 15 minutes and no crash... |
| 21:53.37 | scanline | are you using gaim CVS? |
| 21:56.59 | lalo | I don't remember... it's been here for quite a while |
| 21:57.03 | lalo | let me check |
| 21:57.19 | lalo | bah, qpkg sucks |
| 21:57.54 | lalo | 0.63 |
| 22:04.05 | CIA | 11trunk/pgbuild/src/build-dev/PGBuild r084461 03micah: Committing the progress on platform name parsing now, so I can concentrate on some cleanups |
| 22:18.43 | lalo | is there an escape to get *real* white background on the terminal widget? |
| 22:20.14 | scanline | hmm |
| 22:20.42 | scanline | you wondering how to make the background white instead of gray? |
| 22:20.53 | scanline | turn on blink |
| 22:21.19 | scanline | it's rather messed up, but as far as I could tell most newer terminals used blink as a bold for background colors |
| 22:21.20 | lalo | ah yes, the old nasty hack :-) reminds me of my days of DOS programming |
| 22:21.27 | scanline | hehe |
| 22:22.31 | scanline | ah yes... back then the attribute word was something like <blink> <bold> <background> <foreground> |
| 22:22.54 | scanline | er, byte |
| 22:23.12 | lalo | yes |
| 22:23.17 | lalo | actually |
| 22:24.21 | lalo | blink was the high bit of the high nibble, the other 3 bits were the color; the high bit of the low nibble was intensity, so people thought it made sense to use "blink" it for background intensity on displays that were not capable of blinking |
| 22:27.09 | lalo | I should put this on CVS before I utterly destroy it accidentally |
| 22:27.14 | lalo | or SVN for that matter |
| 22:31.14 | CIA | 11trunk/pg1/apps/dev r084462 03lalo: putting this crossfire client under version control before I accidentally destroy it :-) |
| 22:33.23 | scanline | hmm, I didn't really expect this to be in C |
| 22:34.26 | lalo | I have to exercise my C |
| 22:34.29 | scanline | ah... I see |
| 22:34.35 | lalo | besides, they have most of the client written :-) |
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| 22:34.45 | lalo | you just need to plug in the UI |
| 22:41.53 | lalo | the WP_SIZE of a panel counts the panelbar? |
| 22:43.13 | scanline | yes |
| 22:48.53 | lalo | thanks |
| 22:55.23 | CIA | 11trunk/pg1/apps/dev/crossfire r084463 03lalo: moving panes around |
| 22:55.47 | lalo | hmm... now what should I draw. |
| 22:57.31 | njs | a bow. |
| 23:01.26 | scanline | 58 metric liters of recompressed coffee grounds? |
| 23:01.51 | captain_proton | metric liters! |
| 23:01.56 | njs | I think 58 imperial liters of recompressed coffee grounds would be a more interesting image. |
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