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| 12:12.04 | scanline | whee.. the DNS for picogui.org seems to have correctly transferred to zoneedit.com |
| 12:12.08 | scanline | yay for no more dotster DNS |
| 13:18.49 | CIA | micah committed revision 4101: Changing "import *" lines to something more conservative |
| 14:01.35 | CIA | micah committed revision 4102: Added some infrastructure for running SConscripts, and fixed a small threading bug in the Curses UI |
| 14:04.54 | CIA | micah committed revision 4103: Giving pgbuild-gui a .pyw extension to indicate it doens't need stdout for those pointy-clicky OSes (cough) |
| 14:24.45 | CIA | micah committed revision 4104: Set the SConstruct directory before loading a script. It can now at least run code from an SConscript file now |
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| 16:08.44 | CIA | micah committed revision 4105: Added a spiffy new <versiongroup> construct to sources.xml |
| 16:11.13 | CIA | micah committed revision 4106: Adding a dummy SConscript to pgserver, to test PGBuild |
| 16:11.25 | scanline | w00t |
| 16:16.13 | scanline | http://picogui.org/Members/micah/pgbuild-updating-pgserver/photo_view |
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| 16:16.43 | scanline | hi Oktal |
| 16:17.05 | Oktal | lo |
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| 16:42.14 | CIA | micah committed revision 4107: Splitting sources.xbc into many smaller files |
| 16:44.48 | CIA | micah committed revision 4108: Changing the command line syntax a little for convenience |
| 16:51.59 | scanline | yay for timestamps |
| 16:52.01 | scanline | http://picogui.org/Members/micah/pgbuild-curses-merge/photo_view |
| 17:24.24 | lalo[out] | hey picopeople. |
| 17:24.52 | scanline | hiya lalo |
| 17:24.58 | file | hey there lalo |
| 17:25.01 | lalo | :-) |
| 17:25.04 | lalo | what's new? |
| 17:25.33 | scanline | well, pgbuild is doing some slightly more interesting things |
| 17:25.47 | lalo | cool |
| 17:25.53 | lalo | I should take a look at it |
| 17:26.18 | scanline | uh oh :) |
| 17:26.23 | lalo | I hope lcars didn't spoil your stomach? :-) |
| 17:26.29 | scanline | nahh |
| 17:26.59 | lalo | figures if I really seriously wanted an lcars-like picogui I should probably write an appmgr |
| 17:27.21 | scanline | :) |
| 17:34.31 | CIA | micah committed revision 4109: Added a simple --list option to show configuration data from a given path |
| 17:36.15 | fragglet | hmm, cute |
| 17:37.21 | scanline | hi fragglet |
| 17:38.05 | fragglet | hi |
| 17:38.16 | fragglet | CIA = some kind of irc cvs commit bot? |
| 17:38.22 | scanline | yep |
| 17:38.26 | scanline | keeps an eye on subversion |
| 17:38.27 | fragglet | neat |
| 17:38.34 | fragglet | oh subversion |
| 17:38.38 | fragglet | even neater |
| 17:38.42 | scanline | :) |
| 17:39.03 | fragglet | whats subversion like |
| 17:39.07 | fragglet | i havent used it yet |
| 17:39.55 | scanline | I like it.. after looking at a few open source version control systems, it's the only one that does what I need for pg2 and pgbuild |
| 17:40.46 | scanline | my only substantial problem with it so far is that if the server crashes, you have to run a really slow recovery process on the database |
| 17:41.07 | file | my eyboard s br0en |
| 17:41.22 | lalo | scanline: have you seen my hack that configures pgserver from gentoo's USE variables? |
| 17:41.23 | scanline | and when I was trying to use libdb4.1 with it, it crashed a lot... using libdb4.0 it's only crashed due to hardware problems |
| 17:41.31 | fragglet | maybe someone should add journalling or something |
| 17:41.46 | fragglet | (obviously i have no idea how it works) |
| 17:41.46 | lalo | what I'm interested in doing is porting this hack to pgbuild |
| 17:41.57 | lalo | fragglet: RDB |
| 17:42.12 | file | wow... I managed to free 100MB of space... freaky |
| 17:42.31 | file | darn my eyboard s broen agan... |
| 17:42.31 | lalo | file: rm -rf /home/file? |
| 17:42.42 | fragglet | hmm pgbuild |
| 17:42.48 | fragglet | i see i have some catching up to do |
| 17:43.02 | file | aha - works again |
| 17:43.41 | scanline | lalo: that'd be cool... it shouldn't be hard to make a doodad that would convert the USE variable into a config tree to merge with pgbuild |
| 17:44.06 | scanline | fragglet: it already has journalling, so it shouldn't ever lose data in a normal crash, but recovering from the journal is slow |
| 17:44.15 | fragglet | ah |
| 17:44.35 | lalo | scanline: I already have the portage side, and it's written in python, so I'd bet on trivial |
| 17:44.40 | scanline | cool |
| 17:44.44 | fragglet | better than trying to fix a corrupted database anyway |
| 17:45.10 | scanline | fragglet: but I also have a post-commit hook that does an instant incremental backup, just in case :) |
| 17:52.28 | fragglet | i need to fix picogui on the revo at some point |
| 17:52.33 | fragglet | i have 2 revos now :) |
| 17:52.56 | lalo | ooooooooh |
| 17:52.59 | lalo | fuck |
| 17:53.20 | fragglet | i have a german revo plus |
| 17:53.37 | fragglet | it has a qwertz keyboard |
| 17:53.39 | lalo | your IRS must be one of the most fucked-up in the world |
| 17:54.18 | scanline | probably |
| 17:55.46 | lalo | if I do freelance work for an U.S. client I must sign a form named W-8BEN claiming I'm not a citizen, I don't live in the US, don't plan to, and therefore am exempt of paying taxes on it o.O |
| 17:56.29 | lalo | the form is, obviously, quite daunting and non-obvious and intrusive :-) |
| 17:56.45 | scanline | that sucks |
| 17:57.42 | scanline | I've done plenty of work for companies in other companies without filling out any paperwork... but when I work for US companies there is always a lot of paperwork |
| 17:57.49 | scanline | er, in other countries |
| 17:58.25 | gonkulator | scanline: that means that our US government is tagging you as a terrorist, as you get offshore money without doing the paperwork |
| 17:58.51 | scanline | that's nice |
| 17:59.38 | scanline | Switzerland and Taiwan aren't all that far offshore :) |
| 17:59.59 | gonkulator | yeah |
| 18:00.08 | fragglet | i'm hoping to do ipv6 stuff over the summer |
| 18:00.10 | fragglet | should be fun |
| 18:00.11 | gonkulator | if you were getting it from a place in the mid-east, you might be investigated |
| 18:00.21 | gonkulator | fragglet: sounds like fun |
| 18:00.28 | fragglet | yup |
| 18:00.56 | fragglet | my uni does loads of ipv6 research stuff |
| 18:01.03 | fragglet | so they're employing a few students over the summer |
| 18:01.39 | scanline | neat |
| 18:01.57 | fragglet | my friends hoping to do wireless lan stuff |
| 18:02.08 | fragglet | he runs the open wireless network project here |
| 18:02.46 | fragglet | they have like 3 nodes now i think |
| 18:03.04 | fragglet | i think they're trying to get coverage of as many pubs as possible |
| 18:04.39 | scanline | hehe |
| 18:05.11 | fragglet | its kind of cool actually |
| 18:05.18 | fragglet | they have access points acting as repeaters |
| 18:05.54 | fragglet | everything gets routed through the wireless network and through some guys dsl line |
| 18:06.31 | gonkulator | that way, my wireless coverage would increase when I opened up my other iBook |
| 18:06.35 | CIA | micah committed revision 4110: Added a better error message for badly-formed XML documents, removed the 'packages' local config file, added a description column to the --list output |
| 18:06.37 | fragglet | that would rule |
| 18:06.50 | gonkulator | indeed it would |
| 18:06.59 | gonkulator | and LAN parties would be just -that- much better |
| 18:07.00 | scanline | On the bus yesterday I had a wacky idea... |
| 18:07.09 | fragglet | ooh a wacky idea |
| 18:07.14 | fragglet | i'm collecting wacky ideas |
| 18:07.34 | scanline | we drive by a lot of access points without WEP, but there is only a second or so window when you can access each one |
| 18:07.59 | scanline | so.. what if you had a way of running very-low-bandwidth applications over those short-lived 802.11 connections |
| 18:08.15 | scanline | something like the Palm VII, but using any access point you happen to walk or drive by |
| 18:08.17 | fragglet | heheh |
| 18:08.29 | scanline | so you drive by an access point, and it gets email, or news headlines |
| 18:08.32 | fragglet | never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes |
| 18:08.44 | scanline | I thought it was a 747 full of DVDs? |
| 18:09.01 | fragglet | i think thats the modern version |
| 18:09.14 | scanline | :) |
| 18:09.40 | fragglet | hmm |
| 18:09.57 | fragglet | who was that guy you were banning the other day |
| 18:10.02 | file | modern isn't always better |
| 18:10.05 | gonkulator | fragglet: cell |
| 18:10.17 | fragglet | whos that |
| 18:10.25 | gonkulator | some jerk from #bzflag |
| 18:10.31 | scanline | really annoying guy who usually bugs captain_proton in #bzflag, but occasionally comes here |
| 18:16.14 | lalo | yeah... it's borked |
| 18:29.49 | CIA | micah committed revision 4111: Added package tags for all general (non-pg1 and non-pg2) packages in the repository, and tags for all pg1 packges except themes, apps, and clients. 17 packages so far. |
| 18:31.56 | CIA | micah committed revision 4112: Oops, versions.xbc didn't have the correct root path, so most packages would fail with an error finding the picogui-versions version group. |
| 18:32.45 | scanline | whee.. |
| 18:41.24 | CIA | micah committed revision 4113: Added package tags for all client libraries |
| 19:33.35 | CIA | micah committed revision 4114: Added package tags for all themes |
| 19:36.29 | CIA | micah committed revision 4115: Strip destination directory from CmdlineSVN's progress output |
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| 20:39.05 | CIA | micah committed revision 4116: Added packge tags for all apps |
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| 20:43.06 | CIA | micah committed revision 4117: Added a separate XBC file with an XSLT stylesheet to be used in the --dump-tree command |
| 20:43.53 | scanline | yikes.. package database has 136 packages in it now |
| 21:02.08 | lalo[out] | cya |
| 21:03.07 | scanline | bye lalo |
| 21:41.16 | scanline | haha... |
| 21:41.56 | scanline | so I'm googling for information about the .pyc header and find a mailing list post by lalo :) |
| 22:18.39 | scanline | hmm.. loading a premade config object from a pickle isn't that much faster than creating it from the XML sources |
| 22:34.31 | CIA | micah committed revision 4118: Reorganized the initialization code so the command line parsing runs as soon as possible. This makes the --help and --version options return instantly rather than after a second or two. |
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| 23:51.38 | CIA | micah committed revision 4119: Changed package names that had dashes- the dash is reserved as a package version separator |
| 23:53.17 | CIA | micah committed revision 4120: Fixed TypeError in CmdLineSVN update |