| 00:00.19 | *** join/#picogui gonkulator (~brandon@plasma.client.mscd.edu) |
| 00:00.37 | gonkulator | w00t |
| 00:00.49 | gonkulator | w00t again |
| 00:00.52 | gonkulator | darn... |
| 00:04.18 | lalo | ~lart gonkulator |
| 00:04.28 | lalo | seesh, that is evil. |
| 00:06.05 | gonkulator | lalo: what did I do? |
| 00:06.19 | lalo | nothing |
| 00:06.24 | gonkulator | ok... |
| 00:06.30 | lalo | I was hoping it would give you something funny |
| 00:06.35 | lalo | but bad luck |
| 00:06.38 | gonkulator | ~lart someoneotherthanlalo |
| 00:06.53 | gonkulator | :) |
| 00:07.39 | lalo | that's bigger than scanline's lcd and many times bigger than the terminal I usually live with in the vr3 |
| 00:09.10 | gonkulator | too bad it was someone other than lalo :) |
| 00:09.37 | lalo | yes. |
| 00:09.46 | lalo | ~lart everyonebutgonkey |
| 00:09.59 | gonkulator | lol |
| 00:10.01 | gonkulator | :) |
| 00:10.28 | lalo | how much is half of everyone? |
| 00:12.30 | njs | depends on if that's an even or odd number of people, I think. |
| 00:18.52 | *** join/#picogui file (lan@mctn1-2968.nb.aliant.net) |
| 00:24.47 | merlin262 | bwahahahaha |
| 00:27.15 | scanline | hmm |
| 00:27.19 | scanline | I seem to have overslept |
| 00:27.36 | captain_proton | when were you planning to awaken? |
| 00:30.14 | scanline | I was planning to go to zheory class at 3 |
| 00:30.22 | captain_proton | ah |
| 00:30.36 | captain_proton | hey scanline, can we do something tricky re: paypal? |
| 00:30.46 | scanline | I used up all the money in my paypal account |
| 00:30.59 | captain_proton | i know |
| 00:31.03 | gonkulator | morning scanline |
| 00:31.03 | scanline | my order was about $100, so I used all my paypal money and $30 or so from checking |
| 00:31.05 | captain_proton | but its being REALLY cranky for me |
| 00:31.09 | scanline | oh |
| 00:31.09 | gonkulator | hi ahnkana_ |
| 00:31.23 | gonkulator | what happened? |
| 00:31.25 | captain_proton | can you pay via a credit card or something and i write you a check? |
| 00:31.34 | scanline | captain_proton: that works |
| 00:31.58 | file | captain_proton: still can't setup an account? |
| 00:32.03 | scanline | captain_proton: who am I paying? |
| 00:32.09 | gonkulator | ME :) |
| 00:32.09 | ahnkana_ | i was upstairs talking to captain_proton, saw michael coming down the hall, so i ran away, i went down to the chalk room |
| 00:32.14 | captain_proton | scanline: howabout you come here |
| 00:32.26 | scanline | ok, just a sec.. I need to brush my teeth |
| 00:32.39 | gonkulator | scanline: did you sleep through all your classes today? |
| 00:32.57 | ahnkana_ | i guess michael and dan went down there as well....i was in the chalk room, but all the tables were full, so i left |
| 00:33.15 | ahnkana_ | michael was leaning against the door when i pushed it open and he freaked out....oh well |
| 00:33.18 | ahnkana_ | i didn't mean too |
| 00:33.25 | gonkulator | later ahnkana_ |
| 00:33.59 | ahnkana_ | scanline... captain_proton: do you all want to eat? |
| 00:34.29 | captain_proton | ahnkana: hm, that is a definite perhapsitude |
| 00:35.19 | gonkulator | captain_proton: tell scanline that I am going to have something better than ChaiNog for him to try when I come up on friday |
| 00:35.41 | ahnkana | cool |
| 00:35.55 | ahnkana | alright |
| 00:35.55 | gonkulator | ahnkana: how do you handle caffeine? |
| 00:36.02 | ahnkana | i fall asleep |
| 00:36.06 | gonkulator | hmm... |
| 00:36.13 | gonkulator | would you be willing to try this new drink? |
| 00:36.15 | gonkulator | oh |
| 00:36.17 | gonkulator | later... |
| 00:36.32 | ahnkana | gonkulator: talk to captain_proton, i'll be up there in just a bit |
| 00:36.45 | gonkulator | okey dokey |
| 00:36.56 | gonkulator | captain_proton: I am talking to you... saying absolutely nothing |
| 00:37.07 | captain_proton | okay! |
| 00:37.12 | gonkulator | captain_proton: |
| 00:37.17 | captain_proton | gonkulator: |
| 00:37.19 | gonkulator | :-/ |
| 00:37.21 | gonkulator | meh... |
| 00:39.36 | gonkulator | captain_proton: what happens to you when you have large amounts of caffeine? |
| 00:40.21 | captain_proton | gonkulator: not much |
| 00:40.27 | gonkulator | hmm... |
| 00:43.11 | lalo | what is it, Pitr-Cola? |
| 00:43.21 | lalo | pure caffeine extract? |
| 00:43.31 | gonkulator | lalo: for now, it is a secret :) |
| 00:44.24 | njs | OO, SecretCola, that stuff's good |
| 00:49.59 | lalo | cool |
| 00:50.08 | lalo | Caffeine Secret |
| 01:02.53 | gonkulator | lorelei: she is upstairs I think |
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| 01:22.34 | Xentac | gonkulator: as am I |
| 01:27.54 | Xentac | hehehe... I have a cover page for my assignment now... |
| 01:27.58 | Xentac | maybe I should set it down for a bit... |
| 01:30.29 | darth_mall | yay for microwaves |
| 01:32.53 | captain_proton | yaay |
| 01:33.42 | darth_mall | scanline: I need to get that movie back from you tonight |
| 01:33.47 | scanline | darth_mall: yes, you do |
| 01:34.04 | darth_mall | k? |
| 01:34.07 | scanline | okelydokely |
| 01:35.04 | scanline | wow... my numerical computing class' mailing list is almost entirely about C programming questions |
| 01:35.07 | lalo | hi scanline |
| 01:35.13 | scanline | hi lalo |
| 01:35.16 | gonkulator | scanline: will you try my drink when I come up? |
| 01:35.34 | scanline | captain_proton: want a receipt for the paypaling? |
| 01:36.03 | captain_proton | scanline: sure, why not |
| 01:36.12 | scanline | gonkulator: as long as it probably won't kill me |
| 01:36.40 | gonkulator | scanline: should be better for you than the chainog |
| 01:36.44 | gonkulator | anyway |
| 01:36.46 | gonkulator | PicoBot: class |
| 01:36.46 | PicoBot | hmmm... class is over |
| 01:36.48 | scanline | haha |
| 01:36.51 | gonkulator | PicoBot: right you are |
| 01:36.51 | PicoBot | OK, gonkulator. |
| 01:36.54 | gonkulator | later scanline |
| 01:36.57 | gonkulator | bye ahnkana |
| 01:37.03 | gonkulator | ta ta captain_proton |
| 01:37.08 | gonkulator | darth_mall: adios |
| 01:37.11 | scanline | bye gonkulator :P |
| 01:37.12 | gonkulator | farewell file |
| 01:37.21 | *** mode/#picogui [+o scanline] by ChanServ |
| 01:37.25 | *** kick/#picogui [gonkulator!~micah@aden2-42-dhcp.resnet.Colorado.EDU] by scanline (scanline) |
| 01:37.28 | *** mode/#picogui [-o scanline] by scanline |
| 01:37.59 | captain_proton | ? |
| 01:38.30 | scanline | helping gonkulator out the door before he floods the place with goodbyes... |
| 01:38.36 | scanline | lalo: what did I screw up this time? :) |
| 01:38.47 | lalo | you're doing very well, padawan :-) now if you move to Caxias you already have a job ;-) |
| 01:38.58 | scanline | hehe |
| 01:39.38 | darth_mall | and back |
| 01:39.44 | lalo | please compare http://zope.picogui.org/Screenshots/20030119_vncdemo/photo_view with http://zope.picogui.org/News/new%20site - where does the attribution and date look better? |
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| 01:40.07 | Soopaman | dooobie dooobie doooooooo |
| 01:40.16 | lalo | just location, not formatting |
| 01:40.53 | Xentac | lalo: I like the new%20site one... but I probably have no say in the matter anyway ;o) |
| 01:41.04 | lalo | Xentac: of course you do |
| 01:41.22 | scanline | lalo: I think it looks better in the news area.. above the horizontal line there's less clutter |
| 01:43.04 | lalo | I'm a bit in doubt about the attribution coming *before* the title, but if you two agree, it must be right |
| 01:43.46 | scanline | not saying it's correct, just IMHO looks better |
| 01:44.04 | Xentac | if you could somehow put it above the line but below the title... |
| 01:44.09 | Xentac | that might look better...? |
| 01:44.09 | scanline | captain_proton: so... pygame? |
| 01:44.42 | captain_proton | scanline: link me |
| 01:45.18 | lalo | Xentac: since the line is below the title, that would be quite hard :-P |
| 01:45.30 | scanline | http://pygame.org |
| 01:45.46 | scanline | libraries for writing 2D games in python |
| 01:46.34 | Xentac | lalo: that's what I figured ;o) |
| 01:47.24 | scanline | whoa.. pytari frightens me |
| 01:47.32 | scanline | an atari emulator completely in python |
| 01:48.13 | lalo | I think I ironed the last wrinkles I knew about |
| 01:48.17 | Soopaman | scan, have you submitted your game yet? |
| 01:48.24 | lalo | can we put it live? :- |
| 01:48.26 | lalo | :-) |
| 01:48.46 | scanline | lalo: We should have links first |
| 01:49.02 | captain_proton | Soopaman: submitted to what? |
| 01:49.03 | lalo | cool, 11 users not counting admin |
| 01:49.09 | lalo | oh yeah, the links box. Hmm. |
| 01:49.17 | scanline | lalo: how come you and I don't show up in the members list? |
| 01:49.33 | lalo | that's a good question. |
| 01:49.42 | lalo | it must be searching acl_users instead of Members |
| 01:50.20 | KeyserSoze | is the "tabpage" documented anywhere? (wiki or doxygen) |
| 01:50.37 | scanline | KeyserSoze: nope.. though it's really simple, if that's any consolation |
| 01:50.39 | KeyserSoze | or, is there an app that uses it? |
| 01:51.03 | scanline | KeyserSoze: there are a few.. like the demo and edemo apps |
| 01:51.12 | KeyserSoze | thanks. |
| 01:51.23 | scanline | they use them from inside an XWT |
| 01:53.08 | scanline | XML widget template |
| 01:53.33 | KeyserSoze | is it required to use a XWT, to use the tabpage widget? |
| 01:53.34 | scanline | they're compiled either beforehand or at runtime to a binary WT, which you can load quickly from any language |
| 01:53.43 | scanline | KeyserSoze: no, you don't have to use XWTs... |
| 01:53.55 | scanline | KeyserSoze: the basics of the tabpage widget is that it acts like a box |
| 01:54.13 | scanline | you stick one or more tabpages into a container, and they automatically 'find' each other and share a row of tabs |
| 01:54.34 | scanline | the tabpages also have most of the button widget's properties, for setting things like text, bitmap, color, theme... |
| 01:54.44 | KeyserSoze | okay, that sounds easy enough. |
| 01:54.52 | scanline | easiest tab widget I know of :) |
| 01:55.07 | Soopaman | captain, submitted jetstream to that pygame.org site |
| 01:55.17 | scanline | most tabpage-like widgets force you to use a special tab container |
| 01:55.24 | scanline | Soopaman: jetstream isn't written in pygame |
| 01:55.47 | Soopaman_Idol | oh |
| 01:57.27 | lurgyman | scanline: b5 later? |
| 01:57.31 | scanline | lurgyman: sure |
| 01:57.47 | lalo | so how do we want to maintain the links box? A static list? |
| 01:58.16 | scanline | I like the idea of a directory full of link objects |
| 01:58.22 | lalo | the problem with using a catalog search is that you don't have much control over order |
| 01:58.25 | scanline | would be nice for it to be hierarchial |
| 01:58.30 | captain_proton | scanline: i convinced lurgyman to make graphics, and he didn't want to use sodipodi because he didn't want to do anything with vectors |
| 01:58.40 | scanline | lalo: alphabetical order is fine, as long as it's hierarchial :) |
| 01:58.46 | scanline | captain_proton: ha |
| 01:59.16 | lalo | pygame is actually a funny name for the Python wrappers for SDL |
| 01:59.16 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 02:00.43 | scanline | oh. I thought it was more than that, for some reason |
| 02:00.57 | lalo | two or three assorted tools |
| 02:01.09 | lalo | a cool one is PyUI, which you already heard about |
| 02:01.25 | captain_proton | scanline: it is more than that |
| 02:02.09 | lalo | we want the links box to appear only at the home, or everywhere? |
| 02:02.26 | scanline | I'd say everywhere |
| 02:02.38 | scanline | hmm... |
| 02:02.53 | scanline | some things, like the FAQ and downloads should probably appear directly in the links box |
| 02:02.55 | Soopaman_Idol | hey scan, can you help me understand how picogui differs from pyui? |
| 02:03.10 | scanline | while a list of projects using picogui for example should be a separate page of links with longer descriptions for each |
| 02:03.20 | scanline | Soopaman_Idol: they're completely different.. RTFFAQ |
| 02:03.25 | Soopaman_Idol | hahahah |
| 02:03.32 | Soopaman_Idol | thanks jerkface... :P |
| 02:03.52 | captain_proton | 6. There is NO rule six. |
| 02:03.57 | captain_proton | what great documentation |
| 02:04.11 | Soopaman_Idol | sweet, couples fear factor |
| 02:04.37 | lalo | Soopaman_Idol: let's try an analogy. Imagine that PicoGUI is a whale, and PyUI is a brick. |
| 02:04.43 | lurgyman | You know you're an engineer Reason #69: You're irritated that this list doesn't end on a round number |
| 02:04.50 | Soopaman_Idol | lalo, bahahahah |
| 02:04.54 | Soopaman_Idol | ok, thanx |
| 02:04.57 | Soopaman_Idol | that was good enough |
| 02:04.59 | lalo | what happens when you put each of them on IRC? |
| 02:05.26 | njs | Soopaman_Idol: now, which would you rather have dropped on you from a height? that's the difference. |
| 02:05.37 | darth_mall | Awau |
| 02:05.44 | darth_mall | heh, what a great show |
| 02:05.52 | lurgyman | darth_mall: good calc test? |
| 02:06.22 | darth_mall | that was easy |
| 02:06.26 | lurgyman | yay! |
| 02:06.32 | lurgyman | ah |
| 02:06.38 | darth_mall | hehe, what a great show |
| 02:06.48 | scanline | darth_mall: it's such a cool episode... but what the hell is it? |
| 02:07.23 | scanline | Any show with Space Butler deserves your respect |
| 02:08.05 | Soopaman_Idol | njs, from what height? |
| 02:08.56 | darth_mall | scanline: it is excel saga, and that is all that need be said |
| 02:09.16 | scanline | hmm.. now wouldn't that be cool- an anime themed duck hunt |
| 02:09.16 | njs | Soopaman_Idol: let's say, for argument, low earth orbit |
| 02:09.30 | scanline | you could shoot flying menchis, and nabeshin could laugh at you |
| 02:10.03 | lalo | can I shoot Sakura? |
| 02:10.07 | KeyserSoze | what's the name of the module to check out of cvs to get the whole picogui build environment? |
| 02:10.11 | scanline | KeyserSoze: picogui |
| 02:10.16 | KeyserSoze | thanks :) |
| 02:10.50 | lalo | bah |
| 02:11.03 | lalo | I'm really having a problem imagining what this box should look like |
| 02:11.16 | scanline | we could have several shows you can pick characters from to shoot :) |
| 02:11.33 | scanline | lalo: I was envisioning it to be similar to the navigation box |
| 02:11.44 | lalo | oooh, Shoot the Pokémon! I wonder if this would get us sued |
| 02:11.50 | scanline | =) |
| 02:13.38 | scanline | ooh... |
| 02:14.12 | scanline | we could have Pen Pen from Evangelion be the duck.. and Misato would go postal on you whenever you shoot him |
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| 02:14.26 | captain_proton | scanline: pffffff |
| 02:14.52 | scanline | haha.. nehe demos ported to python |
| 02:15.18 | lalo | captain_proton: you prefer your blocks even? |
| 02:15.40 | scanline | Took me a little while to get used to it, but now I love python's style |
| 02:15.52 | scanline | captain_proton: it might help if you use emacs' python-mode ;) |
| 02:16.00 | captain_proton | hah |
| 02:17.06 | lalo | if you really like typing, there's nothing stopping you from closing your blocks with |
| 02:17.14 | lalo | # : |
| 02:17.17 | lalo | or |
| 02:17.20 | lalo | # /def |
| 02:18.08 | scanline | # } |
| 02:18.19 | scanline | def main(void): # { |
| 02:18.21 | scanline | :) |
| 02:18.34 | lalo | yup, that works too |
| 02:19.01 | lalo | I even met one guy who defined dummy global variables named "enddef", "endfor", "endwhile" etc |
| 02:19.15 | lalo | so he could type |
| 02:19.15 | KeyserSoze | i just got the latest stuff from CVS, and ran ./autogen.sh and ./configure for pgserver. |
| 02:19.17 | lalo | while 1: |
| 02:19.21 | lalo | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:19.23 | lalo | endwhile |
| 02:19.26 | KeyserSoze | it said: picogui-server, version 0.0 |
| 02:19.34 | KeyserSoze | should it say 0.43? |
| 02:20.08 | scanline | the version in ./configure might be messed up |
| 02:20.20 | KeyserSoze | okay. just wanted to double check. |
| 02:20.32 | scanline | the version number in include/picogui/version.h is the one that matters |
| 02:20.44 | scanline | right now it should be "pre-0.45 CVS" |
| 02:22.44 | KeyserSoze | in menuconfig, there's no tabpage listed as a widget. is that okay? |
| 02:23.11 | scanline | it should be listed... |
| 02:23.17 | scanline | right between Simplemenu and Terminal |
| 02:23.32 | KeyserSoze | it's not for me. |
| 02:23.41 | scanline | try ./autogen.sh |
| 02:23.48 | KeyserSoze | i did that. |
| 02:24.22 | captain_proton | me works on the duck-o-meter |
| 02:24.24 | KeyserSoze | i'll try updating from CVS again. |
| 02:27.01 | KeyserSoze | it's still not there. |
| 02:27.06 | KeyserSoze | i did this to update from CVS: |
| 02:27.13 | KeyserSoze | cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/pgui co picogui |
| 02:27.25 | KeyserSoze | is that right? it looked like it was updating. |
| 02:27.39 | scanline | are you trying to update or check out |
| 02:27.39 | scanline | ? |
| 02:28.40 | KeyserSoze | i'm trying to udpate. i guess i shouldn't be using "co", then. |
| 02:28.53 | scanline | yeah |
| 02:28.58 | scanline | try "cvs up -PdA" |
| 02:30.15 | KeyserSoze | thanks. |
| 02:30.45 | KeyserSoze | it's not producing any output. do i still need the "-d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/pgui"? |
| 02:30.55 | scanline | you shouldn't... |
| 02:31.09 | scanline | why don't you try the snapshots? :) |
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| 02:31.38 | KeyserSoze | hey, last time i did the snapshots you told me to use CVS. |
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| 02:32.41 | Soopaman_Idol | YAY |
| 02:32.44 | Soopaman_Idol | lurgy is back |
| 02:40.43 | captain_proton | this is going to be such a simple game |
| 02:42.28 | Soopaman_Idol | what is the best app for burning music cd |
| 02:42.31 | Soopaman_Idol | s in linux? |
| 02:42.31 | captain_proton | dan is working on the background |
| 02:42.40 | Soopaman_Idol | is there like a cdrwin for linux? |
| 02:42.43 | captain_proton | its going to be dusk :) |
| 02:42.49 | scanline | neat |
| 02:43.28 | KeyserSoze | the cvs manpage says this: -d CVS_root_directory |
| 02:43.29 | KeyserSoze | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:43.29 | KeyserSoze | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:43.29 | KeyserSoze | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:43.29 | KeyserSoze | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:43.42 | KeyserSoze | what's -d without a path following it? |
| 02:43.49 | captain_proton | http://bzflag.net:3000/mallardium.tar.gz |
| 02:44.01 | scanline | -d should always have a path after it, but if you're already in a repository you don't need -d at all |
| 02:44.19 | KeyserSoze | you said to use "cvs up -PdA" |
| 02:44.30 | scanline | oh, after the command it's different |
| 02:44.51 | scanline | IIRC that removes empty directories, removes sticky tags, and gets new files |
| 02:44.59 | njs | KeyserSoze: cvs syntax is "cvs <overall options> <command> <command options>" |
| 02:45.07 | scanline | captain_proton: nice.. duck-o-thing... |
| 02:45.08 | njs | KeyserSoze: <overall options> and <command options> are totally different |
| 02:45.18 | scanline | captain_proton: want me to try a meter too? :) |
| 02:45.24 | KeyserSoze | ah, thanks. |
| 02:45.36 | captain_proton | scanline: sure |
| 02:45.45 | captain_proton | scanline: it would be nifty to have all the source stuff in SVG |
| 02:45.48 | captain_proton | for SUPER HIGH RESOLUTION |
| 02:45.52 | scanline | okeydokey |
| 02:45.59 | Soopaman_Idol | indeed |
| 02:47.11 | captain_proton | oh dear |
| 02:47.14 | captain_proton | oh dear oh dear oh dear |
| 02:47.20 | captain_proton | dan is making a tree with spiral objects |
| 02:47.23 | scanline | ! |
| 02:47.56 | captain_proton | well the green bits anyway |
| 02:48.04 | scanline | aha! |
| 02:48.10 | scanline | flip is in the scale menu |
| 02:48.14 | KeyserSoze | what output does "cvs update" usually give? mine doesn't print anything... |
| 02:50.24 | scanline | and it doesn't seem to work... |
| 02:51.38 | captain_proton | wow... |
| 02:51.39 | captain_proton | 13 FHz |
| 02:52.01 | Soopaman_Idol | indeed |
| 02:53.33 | KeyserSoze | there's no verbose option for cvs... |
| 02:59.13 | captain_proton | scanline: nice fuselage |
| 02:59.55 | scanline | :) |
| 02:59.59 | lalo | scanline: what do you think about the links box prototype as it is right now? |
| 03:00.35 | scanline | lalo: nice format |
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| 03:05.09 | KeyserSoze | can i disable "Linux framebuffer device" and "SDL framebuffer driver", if i only want to use picogui under X? |
| 03:05.22 | lalo | yes |
| 03:05.26 | KeyserSoze | thanks. |
| 03:05.40 | lalo | do you want rootless or windowed? |
| 03:05.50 | lalo | windowed mode runs better under SDL than X, last time I checked |
| 03:05.51 | KeyserSoze | windowed, i think |
| 03:06.06 | KeyserSoze | oh, then maybe i want SDL. |
| 03:06.13 | KeyserSoze | what's rootless mean? |
| 03:06.27 | lalo | each picogui window becomes a managed X window |
| 03:06.31 | lalo | pretty cool actually |
| 03:06.58 | KeyserSoze | i like the way picogui does windows, though. |
| 03:07.10 | KeyserSoze | can i make X apps run in picogui windows? :D |
| 03:07.41 | lalo | not yet :-) |
| 03:07.42 | scanline | not yet :) |
| 03:07.44 | scanline | hehe |
| 03:07.53 | lalo | I prefer the way picogui does it too |
| 03:08.10 | scanline | I'm still looking forward to doing a new blender-like app manager |
| 03:08.57 | KeyserSoze | in "Client/Server Networking", neither one (TCP/IP Sockets, and libpgserver) is selected by default. I assume i need one of them. |
| 03:11.53 | scanline | currently the TCP/IP setting doesn't do anything, but if it did that would be what you want |
| 03:12.02 | *** join/#picogui gonkulator (~brandon@h-69-3-201-106.DNVTCO56.covad.net) |
| 03:12.05 | scanline | don't enable libpgserver unless you're planning on embedding pgserver into a game or something |
| 03:12.08 | gonkulator | hi ahnkana |
| 03:12.09 | gonkulator | hi scanline |
| 03:12.12 | gonkulator | hi captain_proton |
| 03:12.14 | gonkulator | hi darth_mall |
| 03:12.16 | gonkulator | :) |
| 03:13.13 | gonkulator | must make it hard to type |
| 03:13.28 | file | neural interface |
| 03:13.35 | file | I knew those Furby's would come in handy... |
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| 03:14.48 | scanline | I really wish sodipodi could do CSG operations... |
| 03:15.02 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 03:15.17 | captain_proton | hm, what other graphics do we need |
| 03:17.54 | Soopaman_Idol | boobies? |
| 03:18.08 | captain_proton | um |
| 03:18.08 | captain_proton | no |
| 03:18.18 | Soopaman_Idol | heh, but seriously, what are you guys building |
| 03:18.29 | Soopaman_Idol | the ranting bursts kinda scare me |
| 03:18.31 | captain_proton | >:) |
| 03:18.46 | Soopaman_Idol | <file> I knew those Furby's would come in handy... |
| 03:19.24 | Soopaman_Idol | nintendo guns |
| 03:19.27 | Soopaman_Idol | usb devices... |
| 03:19.43 | file | Soopaman_Idol: scary |
| 03:19.45 | captain_proton | nanobunnies |
| 03:19.45 | Soopaman_Idol | are you guys listening to that wierd al yankovich devil music? |
| 03:19.51 | file | nah |
| 03:19.52 | Soopaman_Idol | heheh |
| 03:19.54 | file | just Coding to Music |
| 03:19.59 | Soopaman_Idol | nano-anything rules |
| 03:20.30 | scanline | captain_proton: Til was just asking for it when he mentioned nanobunnies |
| 03:20.32 | lalo | scanline: can we start creating some link objects while I finish the box? |
| 03:20.37 | captain_proton | scanline: yeah |
| 03:20.38 | scanline | lalo: sure |
| 03:20.40 | captain_proton | scanline: we should have kept quiet |
| 03:22.33 | lurgyman | http://llama.bzflag.net:3000/tree.svg |
| 03:22.44 | lurgyman | * the work so far |
| 03:22.55 | scanline | tikes |
| 03:22.57 | scanline | err, yikes |
| 03:23.02 | lalo | scanline: what will be our categories? The same ones we have in the old site in the same order? |
| 03:23.06 | lurgyman | SWIRLIES! |
| 03:23.23 | gonkulator | DIAPERS! |
| 03:23.54 | scanline | lalo: For downloads, wiki, documentation, etc. that would be good. The "links" box from the original site shouldn't go into a sidebar, but into a separate links page |
| 03:26.33 | *** join/#picogui Piete (~abri@61.254.86.102) |
| 03:27.07 | scanline | captain_proton: set up a svn repository for all this "art" :) |
| 03:27.26 | Piete | :/ no picogui ebuild in portage.. |
| 03:27.38 | scanline | Piete: patches welcome :) |
| 03:27.44 | Piete | hehe ;) |
| 03:28.36 | Piete | the new site looks nice, although I did like the 'dark' a bit more |
| 03:30.01 | captain_proton | wow, this looks pretty awful |
| 03:30.47 | lalo | Piete: it's still there, you can create an account and select "PicoGUI old" as your default skin |
| 03:31.07 | Piete | ok, thats cool |
| 03:31.36 | Piete | I do get some errors with the new site every now and then. Especialy when I go to the screenshots |
| 03:32.02 | scanline | what sort of error? |
| 03:32.38 | Piete | well, it a huge bunch of lines like error on line [number], |
| 03:32.53 | Piete | but it seems to work fine on konq/linux |
| 03:33.01 | Piete | that was only on phoenix/win32 |
| 03:33.16 | scanline | I tested the site in IE a couple times... some minor formatting errors, but it worked |
| 03:33.55 | Piete | if you want I'll reboot and get the errors again.. |
| 03:33.56 | captain_proton | http://bzflag.net:3000/ducktank.svg |
| 03:33.58 | scanline | gr.. I don't think sodipodi supports clipping paths |
| 03:34.04 | captain_proton | yay for gradients :) |
| 03:34.16 | scanline | 404 |
| 03:34.19 | Piete | brb |
| 03:34.23 | captain_proton | oop |
| 03:34.24 | captain_proton | tank.svg |
| 03:34.26 | lalo | 404 what? |
| 03:34.30 | lalo | ah. :-) |
| 03:34.59 | captain_proton | scanline: its not done |
| 03:34.59 | captain_proton | :P |
| 03:35.03 | scanline | :) |
| 03:35.19 | captain_proton | scanline: what are you going to touch up? |
| 03:35.37 | scanline | I was going to stroke the borders of the tank, and give it more contrast |
| 03:37.09 | captain_proton | scanline: the issue with meter.svg is that we need to somehow |
| 03:37.26 | captain_proton | be able to change the position of the indicator |
| 03:37.44 | captain_proton | scanline: you could make 50 versions of meter ;) |
| 03:37.56 | scanline | I could.. |
| 03:38.16 | scanline | but that would suck |
| 03:38.39 | captain_proton | or you could write code to draw the meter |
| 03:38.45 | gonkulator | hi darth_mall |
| 03:38.51 | scanline | yeah |
| 03:38.59 | *** join/#picogui Piete (~Piete@61.254.86.102) |
| 03:39.04 | scanline | captain_proton: set up a repository |
| 03:39.09 | Piete | of course, now it works FINE |
| 03:39.10 | Piete | :P |
| 03:39.22 | Piete | I guess I must have scared it |
| 03:39.34 | scanline | Piete: maybe you were viewing it while I was busy break.. err, editing the code |
| 03:39.43 | Piete | probably |
| 03:40.23 | Piete | I like the new logo btw |
| 03:42.39 | Piete | anyway, back to the real OS ;) |
| 04:00.06 | Soopaman_Idol | who was in charge of the zope site again? |
| 04:00.25 | lalo | altough scanline is helping a lot |
| 04:12.24 | Soopaman_Idol | lalo, is there a way to easily theme zope? |
| 04:16.22 | lalo | yes and no |
| 04:16.52 | lalo | zope is quite generic, almost comparable to an OS. We are using one specific Zope application named Plone. |
| 04:16.57 | lalo | Plone is themeable. |
| 04:17.48 | darth_mall | brb |
| 04:22.59 | Soopaman_Idol | sorry, i meant plone |
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| 04:41.49 | lalo | ok, linkbox is working |
| 04:42.06 | lalo | just have to finish copying over the links from the old site |
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| 04:53.34 | hardwire | lalo da lolo |
| 04:53.49 | SoopaZorro | hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiidy hoooooooooooooooooooooo!!! |
| 04:57.08 | hardwire | hi |
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| 05:07.20 | darth_mall | w00t! I got my scrollwheel working |
| 05:11.15 | KeyserSoze | in X? |
| 05:11.47 | KeyserSoze | that reminds me, i never bothered setting up my mouse in the virtual terminals. |
| 05:11.57 | KeyserSoze | it'd be kind of nice to have it, to copy and paste. |
| 05:12.27 | darth_mall | yeah, in X |
| 05:12.36 | darth_mall | I haven't even thought about doin it in the terminals |
| 05:13.59 | darth_mall | thanks |
| 05:14.18 | darth_mall | don't suppose you can tell me what the difference between the IMPS/2 and PS/2 protocol is can you? |
| 05:14.23 | darth_mall | cuz that's what I needed to change |
| 05:14.30 | darth_mall | and I'm trying to figure out what it changed |
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| 05:40.02 | darth_mall | w00t! DevGirl!!!!!!!!!1 |
| 05:40.10 | DevGirl | hello, people who are awake :D |
| 05:40.16 | DevGirl | DARTH!!!!! |
| 05:40.24 | DevGirl | oh, boy, I missed you too :D |
| 05:40.31 | DevGirl | :*********** |
| 05:40.44 | hikke | hiya DevGirl! |
| 05:40.50 | hikke | :) |
| 05:41.08 | DevGirl | hikke! :) |
| 05:41.18 | darth_mall | DevGirl: how is your kid? |
| 05:41.32 | lalo | great... pun intended :-P |
| 05:41.33 | DevGirl | you all HAVE to see Vitoria :) she's HUGE |
| 05:41.48 | darth_mall | ^_^ |
| 05:41.58 | darth_mall | are there new pics online? |
| 05:42.11 | DevGirl | and she's heavy :) |
| 05:42.16 | lalo | there are |
| 05:42.23 | darth_mall | yay! |
| 05:42.31 | DevGirl | where? O.O |
| 05:42.54 | lalo | btw we need to upload new ones |
| 05:43.25 | DevGirl | darth_mall: she started babbling :) |
| 05:43.41 | darth_mall | hehe |
| 05:44.41 | DevGirl | soooo cute :) |
| 05:45.25 | DevGirl | she can "chat" with you for 30 minutes :) whithout stop "talking"!!! just as her mom :D |
| 05:45.51 | darth_mall | lol |
| 05:46.53 | captain_proton | Oiseau le Poof! |
| 05:47.04 | darth_mall | captain_proton: pardon? |
| 05:47.34 | captain_proton | scanline just suggested we use that name for the flaming ducks |
| 05:48.02 | darth_mall | roflmao |
| 05:48.04 | darth_mall | great one |
| 05:48.17 | DevGirl | flaming ducks? |
| 05:48.48 | captain_proton | or even better |
| 05:48.56 | captain_proton | l'oiseau de beouf |
| 05:48.59 | SoopaZorro | | |
| 05:49.04 | SoopaZorro | err - |
| 05:49.07 | SoopaZorro | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:49.10 | SoopaZorro | _ |
| 05:49.16 | SoopaZorro | ZORRO!!! |
| 05:49.26 | SoopaZorro | man i suck at typing... :( |
| 05:50.33 | DevGirl | SoopaZorro: hey... your nick reminds me of Koopa >:D |
| 05:50.47 | darth_mall | ^_^ |
| 05:51.00 | darth_mall | DevGirl: have you seen _Spirited Away_? |
| 05:51.30 | DevGirl | darth_mall: no :( but I would really like :) |
| 05:51.41 | darth_mall | I think you'd like it |
| 05:51.49 | darth_mall | scanline captain_proton and I went to see it on monday |
| 05:51.51 | darth_mall | it was ok |
| 05:52.57 | DevGirl | darth_mall: have you seen The Ring? (they translated as something like "The call" here :D) |
| 05:53.13 | darth_mall | nopeksi |
| 05:53.50 | DevGirl | and sluggy, uh??? |
| 05:53.54 | DevGirl | :D |
| 05:54.24 | DevGirl | he |
| 05:54.26 | DevGirl | heh |
| 05:54.35 | lalo | or perhaps "crash" is a better word |
| 05:54.42 | SoopaZorro | Dev, that's because i AM SoopaKoopa |
| 05:54.44 | SoopaZorro | =O |
| 05:54.54 | DevGirl | oh! |
| 05:55.48 | _Luigi_ | heheehe |
| 05:55.52 | SoopaZorro | hahahah |
| 05:55.59 | SoopaZorro | that was solid luigi |
| 05:56.07 | _Toad_ | there |
| 05:56.10 | SoopaZorro | sweet |
| 05:56.12 | _Toad_ | now I fit in ;) |
| 05:56.18 | gonkulator | hi darth_mall |
| 05:56.25 | _Toad_ | lol |
| 05:57.14 | SoopaKoopa | shouldn't devgirl be Princess? |
| 05:57.32 | PrincessToad | now I am! :D |
| 05:57.43 | PrincessToad | I'm... THE EVIL PRINCESS!!! |
| 05:57.46 | PrincessToad | MAWUHWAUHWAUHAUWHAWUHWUAHUAHAWUHWA |
| 05:57.51 | SoopaKoopa | hahahahah |
| 05:58.06 | _Toad_ | lol |
| 05:58.09 | SoopaKoopa | i wonder if you can play ZSNES on the different platforms |
| 05:58.13 | SoopaKoopa | online |
| 05:58.18 | _Toad_ | hmmm |
| 05:58.27 | PrincessToad | :D |
| 05:58.42 | SoopaKoopa | we should get a 4player mario kartcircuiit goin g;) |
| 05:59.10 | DevGirl | wow! I used to play it... I think now I suck at mario kart :D |
| 05:59.32 | SoopaKoopa | you should study the game then |
| 06:00.16 | _Toad_ | lol |
| 06:01.32 | SoopaKoopa | mariookart 64 was crap |
| 06:01.36 | DevGirl | does anybody here knows Coffin Joe? |
| 06:01.41 | SoopaKoopa | outside of the 4pllayer mode |
| 06:01.43 | darth_mall | nopski |
| 06:01.54 | darth_mall | SoopaKoopa: I only ever played multiplayer |
| 06:01.59 | DevGirl | darth_mall: you lucky boy :) |
| 06:02.01 | darth_mall | me and my bestfriend used to play all the time |
| 06:02.09 | darth_mall | DevGirl: why is /me lucky? |
| 06:02.21 | SoopaKoopa | i wish superr mario kart was 4 player |
| 06:02.41 | SoopaKoopa | it would possibly be the best racing game ever |
| 06:03.09 | darth_mall | ^_^ |
| 06:03.43 | DevGirl | darth_mall: it's a brazilian guy who made really bad b movies... |
| 06:03.46 | darth_mall | w00t for gentoo |
| 06:03.51 | darth_mall | oh |
| 06:03.52 | DevGirl | '70s, I think |
| 06:04.03 | DevGirl | in the |
| 06:04.19 | darth_mall | so do captain_proton and lurgyman |
| 06:04.23 | darth_mall | they have great movies |
| 06:04.24 | DevGirl | but... I don't like Coffin Joe's ones :D |
| 06:04.58 | SoopaKoopa | darth, diid the emerge zsnes work? |
| 06:05.04 | darth_mall | SoopaKoopa: yeah |
| 06:05.05 | lalo | a bar of candy for the person who gimps up a version of the new logo, with a transparent background, so that it looks good in any background color |
| 06:05.24 | darth_mall | lalo: does it have to be gimped? |
| 06:05.31 | darth_mall | or could it be photoshopped? |
| 06:08.31 | lalo | darth_mall: as soon as we can lie to people that you did it in the gimp ;-) |
| 06:09.41 | Dire|EnB | wee goin to e3 this year ^^ |
| 06:14.34 | lorelei | lalo, can it be a .gif? |
| 06:15.19 | lalo | I guess yes |
| 06:15.33 | lalo | but I will probably want to convert it back into png to upload it |
| 06:15.49 | SoopaKoopa | anyone have a huge siite with alot of bandwidth? |
| 06:16.34 | lorelei | send me a link of the image, and i'll see what i can do |
| 06:16.49 | SoopaKoopa | lor, you sound like a doctor |
| 06:17.04 | SoopaKoopa | i need a repository for my rom collection |
| 06:17.48 | lalo | lorelei: http://zope.picogui.org/logo.jpg (don't let the filename fool you, it's actually a png) |
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| 06:18.41 | lalo | the logo itself (the ball) is also in svg at http://picogui.org/download/pg2logo.svg |
| 06:18.56 | lalo | dunno if svg is any use for you, but... :-) |
| 06:19.10 | SoopaKoopa | svg rules |
| 06:19.15 | lalo | it does. |
| 06:19.19 | SoopaKoopa | my favorite graphic format |
| 06:19.20 | lorelei | had to change the link to .png to see the logo hehe |
| 06:19.39 | SoopaKoopa | i hope scan includes natiive support ni neogui |
| 06:20.41 | DevGirl | muawhuwhauwhuwahwauhawu!!!!! |
| 06:20.48 | scanline | lalo: I can make a translucent version |
| 06:20.52 | DevGirl | xiao xiao just RULEZ! |
| 06:21.01 | lalo | ah, the man lives :-) |
| 06:21.01 | SoopaKoopa | xiao/ |
| 06:21.34 | scanline | lalo: what size? same as the current one? |
| 06:21.35 | captain_proton | xiao? |
| 06:21.51 | lalo | yes, that size is very good |
| 06:22.45 | lalo | the site is almost ready to rock, we're copying over the last links in the "Contacts" section |
| 06:23.03 | scanline | spiffy |
| 06:23.16 | lalo | then we need to figure what we do with the other links :-) |
| 06:23.17 | DevGirl | captain_proton: www.newgrounds.com/portal/view.php?id=15849 |
| 06:23.22 | DevGirl | captain_proton: see this! |
| 06:23.27 | DevGirl | hehehheheeheh |
| 06:24.02 | SoopaKoopa | oh the kung foo stick men |
| 06:24.11 | DevGirl | YEAH! |
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| 06:24.22 | SoopaKoopa | man, flash on linux rules |
| 06:24.33 | SoopaKoopa | on phoenix with ad blocker support |
| 06:24.37 | DevGirl | this site has all xiao xiao movies :) and the games also :D |
| 06:24.42 | scanline | lalo: new one should be uploaded |
| 06:25.40 | scanline | lalo: If you want, I can stick a gimp XCF in the same directory |
| 06:26.26 | lalo | that would be good |
| 06:27.54 | scanline | oh, forgot pg_old had the old logo |
| 06:28.14 | lalo | yes, but we can just delete it |
| 06:28.26 | captain_proton | scanline: hm, we could use a good amount from the old jetengine stuff |
| 06:28.35 | captain_proton | to take advantage of UI & ftgl stuff |
| 06:28.46 | scanline | hmm |
| 06:28.48 | scanline | ok |
| 06:29.04 | scanline | or you could just use the current jetstream engine :) |
| 06:29.16 | captain_proton | i'd like to avoid having to deal with surface/jetcow |
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| 06:29.26 | ahnkana | meeep |
| 06:29.44 | scanline | captain_proton: IMHO it would be good to develop a small game using the engine... would let us iron out bugs in the existing code and prove that it's useful for something |
| 06:29.54 | ahnkana | scanline doesn't want too.....:-( |
| 06:30.24 | lalo | eh? |
| 06:30.26 | scanline | lurgyman: I've never liked card games much.. not sure why |
| 06:30.50 | lurgyman | eh... to each his own |
| 06:30.58 | DevGirl | scanline: go and try pokemon :D it's cool ^^ |
| 06:31.16 | scanline | actually, I've played pokemon cards.. my brother was into them a while back |
| 06:31.25 | scanline | not much strategy involved :) |
| 06:31.38 | lurgyman | pretty much all in setting them up |
| 06:33.04 | lurgyman | or, i guess, it should be chgrped to media |
| 06:33.13 | captain_proton | scanline: lets do a very simple embedding of pgserver and straight polgyons in C for now, then we can change over later |
| 06:33.43 | scanline | k |
| 06:34.45 | scanline | hehe |
| 06:34.52 | lurgyman | scanline: chgrp media /navi/public/media/series/babylon5 |
| 06:34.58 | scanline | now the description for the new logo has a Colophon section |
| 06:35.04 | lurgyman | heheh |
| 06:35.11 | scanline | lurgyman: done |
| 06:35.15 | lurgyman | yay! |
| 06:35.38 | lurgyman | oops... |
| 06:35.39 | lurgyman | and a |
| 06:35.55 | lurgyman | chmod g+w /navi/public/media/series/babylon5 |
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| 06:36.10 | lurgyman | or whatever non-sinful number-type syntax you want to use |
| 06:36.11 | scanline | lurgyman: done |
| 06:36.14 | lurgyman | yay! |
| 06:36.59 | scanline | lalo: the logo in the pg_old skin seems to be confused now.. or maybe it's just bad caching? |
| 06:37.32 | lalo | it's confused |
| 06:37.59 | lalo | something very strange seems to have happened to the skins tool |
| 06:38.44 | scanline | lalo: that's very strange |
| 06:39.14 | lurgyman | hmm.... |
| 06:39.19 | darth_mall | scanline: my bro is trying to put something on navi for me to dl |
| 06:39.20 | scanline | lalo: my galeon still hasn't picked up the new favicon :) |
| 06:39.24 | lalo | hmm |
| 06:39.29 | darth_mall | do you need to move it to the public folder so I can get it? |
| 06:39.43 | lurgyman | navi looks dead |
| 06:39.52 | lurgyman | navi no pingi |
| 06:39.57 | scanline | ah! |
| 06:40.00 | scanline | damn that DMA controller! |
| 06:40.08 | darth_mall | is't down? |
| 06:40.10 | lalo | aha! now it works |
| 06:40.15 | scanline | darth_mall: apparently |
| 06:40.25 | scanline | I think navi's motherboard is buggy |
| 06:40.39 | lurgyman | :( |
| 06:40.45 | scanline | lalo: wow, easy to read ;) |
| 06:40.52 | lalo | the logo doesn't look too interesting on black :-) |
| 06:41.01 | scanline | lalo: I should add a white glow behind it that won't show up on the white background but will make it readable on black |
| 06:41.10 | scanline | or something |
| 06:41.19 | lalo | that's what I was thinking, yes. |
| 06:41.36 | lalo | and behind the "ball" too, just so that you don't lose the border |
| 06:45.30 | lalo | one of these days I must see 1st season |
| 06:45.48 | lalo | I don't think I saw a single entire episode of it |
| 06:46.03 | lalo | right |
| 06:46.04 | lurgyman | compared to the 3rd and 4th |
| 06:47.22 | lurgyman | scanline: "The Prisoner"? |
| 06:47.37 | scanline | =) |
| 06:48.27 | lurgyman | scanline: in your room? |
| 06:48.34 | scanline | in my room? |
| 06:48.37 | scanline | michael's here... |
| 06:48.46 | lurgyman | sleeping? |
| 06:48.49 | scanline | no |
| 06:48.53 | scanline | but he's here |
| 06:48.56 | lurgyman | ok then |
| 06:50.36 | DevGirl | ok! I did my part |
| 06:50.38 | DevGirl | :D |
| 06:50.56 | scanline | wazzat? |
| 06:51.35 | lalo | she migrated the links ovver |
| 06:51.42 | scanline | DevGirl: cool :) |
| 06:52.02 | scanline | should look exactly the same on white.. on black it's a little weird, but visible |
| 06:52.07 | lalo | it looks very spiffy :-) |
| 06:52.15 | captain_proton | scanline: bleah, they've convinced me to use dan's lesser computer for codifying |
| 06:52.22 | lurgyman | scanline: ahnkana sez migrate over here for prisoner and bring jen's magnet |
| 06:52.36 | darth_mall | lol |
| 06:52.37 | scanline | hmmkay.. lemme upload this XCF file first |
| 06:52.56 | captain_proton | uploading OF DEATH |
| 06:53.40 | scanline | hmm.. the ZMI never returns a page after I upload the XCF |
| 06:54.09 | scanline | but it uploaded correctly anyway |
| 06:54.28 | lurgyman | scanline now has 222 - 310 |
| 06:54.43 | scanline | hmm.. only 57G free on navi |
| 06:54.56 | scanline | I should encode some of those DVDs that are taking 40GB or so |
| 06:54.59 | scanline | anyway... |
| 06:55.26 | lurgyman | yay! |
| 06:56.27 | lalo | now we have a professional-looking site and a professional-looking logo, the only thing we need for 1.0 is coding ;-) |
| 06:56.36 | SoopaKoopa | lol |
| 06:57.38 | SoopaKoopa | lalo, is there a way to smooth/anti alias the mini button icons on the left? |
| 06:58.51 | lalo | mini whats? where? |
| 07:02.23 | SoopaKoopa | the links window/table |
| 07:03.32 | darth_mall | hi Dire, /me was just thinking about you |
| 07:03.50 | Dire | howdy |
| 07:04.14 | Dire | thinkin' of me? rut roh :p |
| 07:04.27 | darth_mall | ^_^ |
| 07:04.56 | darth_mall | ugh, /me thinks he might have pink eye |
| 07:05.06 | SoopaKoopa | eeeeew |
| 07:05.08 | Dire | doh.. |
| 07:05.10 | darth_mall | yeah |
| 07:05.13 | Dire | pink eye sucks |
| 07:05.16 | darth_mall | hopefully it isn't |
| 07:06.16 | Dire | just itchy? burnin? or wha? |
| 07:06.26 | darth_mall | puffy, gunky and painful a little |
| 07:06.47 | darth_mall | at first I thought there was just something in my eye |
| 07:06.58 | darth_mall | but that was about 8 hours ago |
| 07:07.02 | darth_mall | now I'm startin to wonder |
| 07:07.08 | Dire | wash it out |
| 07:07.09 | Dire | heh |
| 07:07.36 | Dire | put some rubbing alcohol in it, rinse it out real good :p |
| 07:07.36 | darth_mall | a few times |
| 07:07.40 | darth_mall | lol |
| 07:07.51 | Dire | I'm sure that'd help |
| 07:08.01 | darth_mall | well, it would eliminate the immediate problem |
| 07:08.08 | darth_mall | only by replacing it with another |
| 07:08.25 | Dire | true.. but hey.. can't have everything :p |
| 07:08.52 | darth_mall | heh, point taken |
| 07:09.04 | Dire | If there's ANYTHING wrong with my eye anymore - I freak out |
| 07:09.10 | Dire | I had lasik done last summer |
| 07:09.13 | darth_mall | ooh |
| 07:09.16 | darth_mall | expensive |
| 07:09.21 | Dire | hehe |
| 07:09.25 | Dire | wasn't too bad |
| 07:09.36 | Dire | Hrm, maybe it was.... |
| 07:09.37 | darth_mall | more expensive than not having it done ;) |
| 07:09.52 | Dire | yeah, but in the long run - cheaper |
| 07:10.18 | Dire | as long as I don't go blind |
| 07:10.20 | Dire | :p |
| 07:10.30 | darth_mall | hehe |
| 07:11.57 | Dire | no idea |
| 07:12.02 | Dire | I know |-| about macs |
| 07:12.18 | Dire | You plug them in, and turn 'em on - that's about all I know :p |
| 07:12.36 | darth_mall | heh |
| 07:12.49 | Dire | I was thinkin' about getting an ibook just for the hell of it |
| 07:12.57 | darth_mall | how bout cuz their good computers |
| 07:13.10 | darth_mall | only thing I'd like better is a 12" powerbook |
| 07:17.00 | Dire | I also wanted to get an ipod |
| 07:19.07 | lalo | SoopaKoopa: I don't know what you want to antialias |
| 07:19.14 | lalo | the icons? |
| 07:25.30 | DevGirl | yaaaawn |
| 07:27.02 | darth_mall | DevGirl: don't do that, you'll make me tired |
| 07:27.04 | darth_mall | ;) |
| 07:29.53 | SoopaKoopa | lalo, aa or clean them up |
| 07:29.59 | darth_mall | DevGirl: what are you singing? |
| 07:30.11 | SoopaKoopa | 'cause over here they look kinda ridgid compared to the print icons |
| 07:30.15 | SoopaKoopa | err the default plone icons |
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| 07:32.58 | DevGirl | darth_mall: Pagan Girl from Emerald Rose |
| 07:33.03 | DevGirl | I was :) |
| 07:33.18 | DevGirl | now is Cool to be a Witch - Alexian |
| 07:33.41 | darth_mall | don't know either of 'em |
| 07:33.56 | DevGirl | heh |
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| 07:34.05 | DevGirl | www.emerald rose.com |
| 07:34.22 | DevGirl | whithout rhe space , of course :P |
| 07:37.53 | lalo | SoopaKoopa: rigid? I don't see what you mean, they look quite good here |
| 07:38.01 | lalo | I even believe they *are* antialiased |
| 07:40.09 | SoopaKoopa | hmmm,,, |
| 07:40.47 | SoopaKoopa | naybe my copy of phoenix is mis-rendering the pictures |
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| 07:42.56 | lalo | heh |
| 07:43.34 | lalo | I have a friend who says, "I reserve the right to ignore bug reports from people that test my software with other software that is more buggy than mine" |
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| 07:53.44 | DevGirl | bye, boys :) |
| 07:53.51 | DevGirl | see ya! :*** |
| 07:56.11 | captain_proton | scanline: what is the svn import command again? |
| 07:56.57 | scanline | captain_proton: "man svn"""" |
| 07:57.00 | scanline | s/""""/"/ |
| 07:57.12 | captain_proton | hah |
| 07:58.39 | scanline | damnit |
| 07:58.51 | scanline | dead: would you please stop bothering me about banning him? |
| 07:59.00 | scanline | dead: I have a no-ban policy now |
| 07:59.40 | captain_proton | ? |
| 08:00.14 | scanline | dead: If you have a problem with him, talk to the freenode folks and get him k-lined or something. I'm not going to ban people unless they're flooding or otherwise making the channel unusable |
| 08:00.44 | scanline | dead: that's ludicrous. And stop /msg'ing me, I refuse to let you sneak behind everyone else here for this |
| 08:03.31 | scanline | dead: I'm not going to respond in private. If you want to apologize, do it here- I'm not the only one you've involved in this |
| 08:04.45 | scanline | hmm |
| 08:04.49 | scanline | actually, he still is on the banlist |
| 08:05.09 | *** mode/#picogui [+o scanline] by ChanServ |
| 08:05.12 | captain_proton | scanline: http://bzflag.net:3000/svn/infraduck |
| 08:05.26 | *** mode/#picogui [-b quecho*!*@*] by scanline |
| 08:05.29 | *** mode/#picogui [-b quarkquasar*!*@*] by scanline |
| 08:05.32 | *** mode/#picogui [-o scanline] by scanline |
| 08:06.00 | scanline | captain_proton: wow, a file :) |
| 08:06.16 | captain_proton | haha |
| 08:06.23 | captain_proton | you should implement UI stuff |
| 08:06.46 | scanline | I want to get picogui's web site online first, then maybe I'll hack together something resembling a c++ client library |
| 08:06.54 | scanline | or we could just do the GUI code in python... |
| 08:07.12 | captain_proton | we could |
| 08:07.14 | captain_proton | but you should implement that ;) |
| 08:07.20 | ahnkana | Dire: why is dead trying to get you banned now? what'd you do or not do this time? |
| 08:07.21 | darth_mall | w00t! my favorite dead kennedy's song |
| 08:07.33 | ahnkana | oh jessus!! |
| 08:07.35 | ahnkana | egads |
| 08:07.37 | darth_mall | "Terminal Preppie" |
| 08:08.42 | Dire | :/ |
| 08:08.51 | Dire | She found out who I was - that's all.. |
| 08:08.56 | Dire | Wasn't even trying to contact her. |
| 08:08.59 | ahnkana | bleh |
| 08:09.05 | Dire | i'm sorry |
| 08:09.31 | Dire | Though if she wants to take it to threatening me legally, and contacting a lawyer.. |
| 08:09.58 | Dire | And labeling me as a 'stalker' |
| 08:09.59 | Dire | blah |
| 08:10.09 | ahnkana | oh jeez! you are our friend too....sorta....you haven't done anything to her, and you aren't here for her...are you? |
| 08:10.13 | Dire | libel, and I have logs receipts, proof and other stuff |
| 08:10.15 | scanline | Dire: I really don't want to take sides in this, but from my role as an op of #picogui, there's no reason I shouldn't let you stay here |
| 08:10.18 | Dire | pictures |
| 08:10.28 | Dire | i'm really am sorry, though |
| 08:10.31 | Dire | This is just stupid |
| 08:10.40 | captain_proton | as normal |
| 08:10.41 | ahnkana | (i say sorta only cause we don't really know you) |
| 08:10.56 | ahnkana | captain_proton: ask youself this: do you really want to know? |
| 08:10.58 | captain_proton | and while we don't really know you, you can be sure that we HATE YOUR GUTS |
| 08:11.00 | captain_proton | eep |
| 08:11.01 | Dire | btw, sorry about that flash thingy Jen |
| 08:11.08 | Dire | didn't mean to tick you off |
| 08:11.09 | Dire | heh |
| 08:11.16 | captain_proton | ahnkana: no, i don't really want to know |
| 08:11.25 | ahnkana | captain_proton: figured that |
| 08:11.30 | captain_proton | blissful ignorance |
| 08:11.38 | *** topic/#picogui by scanline -> http://picogui.org || If nobody here answers your question, try the pgui-devel mailing list || New web site under design at http://zope.picogui.org, send your opinions to lalo or scanline || Don't misunderestimate the power of soy || Take your personal problems elsewhere |
| 08:11.45 | Dire | "and you aren't here for her...are you?" |
| 08:11.51 | Dire | no i'm not, was at first, but not anymore :) |
| 08:11.59 | ahnkana | well there you have it |
| 08:12.04 | ahnkana | story over |
| 08:12.07 | *** topic/#picogui by captain_proton -> http://picogui.org || If nobody here answers your question, try the pgui-devel mailing list || New web site under design at http://zope.picogui.org, send your opinions to lalo or scanline || Don't misunderestimate the power of soy || Take your personal problems elsewhere, this is a NERDS ONLY CHANNEL |
| 08:12.10 | ahnkana | scanline: YEA!!!!!!! |
| 08:12.14 | Dire | lol |
| 08:12.27 | ahnkana | do i count as a nerd? i am not computer literate |
| 08:12.27 | *** topic/#picogui by scanline -> http://picogui.org || If nobody here answers your question, try the pgui-devel mailing list || New web site under design at http://zope.picogui.org, send your opinions to lalo or scanline || Don't misunderestimate the power of soy || Take your personal problems elsewhere, this is a NERDS ONLY CHANNEL (If you have a social life, you're not welcome ;) |
| 08:12.48 | captain_proton | ahnkana: you enjoy hanging out with us, so yeah i think i'd have to say you are |
| 08:12.59 | ahnkana | sweet |
| 08:13.10 | captain_proton | scanline: what are the cute little pics? |
| 08:13.21 | scanline | PIC12C508A |
| 08:13.24 | ahnkana | oh yea..... lurgyman: zzzzzzaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaapppppppppppp-konckkkkkkkkkkk |
| 08:13.29 | scanline | captain_proton: make sure to get the /JW version of everything you order |
| 08:13.34 | scanline | captain_proton: the other versions are OTP |
| 08:13.38 | Dire | hey.. |
| 08:13.46 | Dire | just reading her quit message |
| 08:13.53 | Dire | can you like.. make sure she isn't doing anything dumb? |
| 08:14.00 | Dire | like.. what she said in her quit message |
| 08:14.01 | lurgyman | ahnkana: well, kzqsplt |
| 08:14.04 | ahnkana | did you see the one i wrote after? |
| 08:14.09 | Dire | oh, no |
| 08:14.23 | Dire | now I did |
| 08:14.23 | ahnkana | [01:09:24] * ahnkana sent suzanne down to talk to angel |
| 08:14.50 | ahnkana | lurgyman: diiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnngggg-donnnnnnnnnnnggg....hi there |
| 08:14.57 | captain_proton | scanline: and the larger ones you're so fond of? |
| 08:15.26 | scanline | captain_proton: there are a few.. the PIC16F84 is spiffy because it's all EEPROM, and very easy to program |
| 08:15.34 | scanline | captain_proton: it's 18 pins |
| 08:16.00 | scanline | captain_proton: then there's the PIC16F877, which is similar to the 16F84 but with a lot more I/O (40 pins!) and some spiffy features like the ability to write to program memory |
| 08:16.13 | scanline | the 877 is almost powerful enough to run an operating system :) |
| 08:16.52 | scanline | There are some nice high-end chips available for free sampling, but my programmer only does DIP packages and maxes out at 40 pins |
| 08:17.02 | scanline | my UV eraser also won't hold anything longer than a 40 pin chip |
| 08:18.08 | captain_proton | ok, ordered 12C508A, more batches of the 16C745/16C765 (hell, why not?), 16F84, and some of those rfPICs |
| 08:18.25 | captain_proton | scanline: harumph, install pine on navi ;) |
| 08:18.35 | scanline | pine?! |
| 08:18.39 | scanline | PINE?! |
| 08:18.45 | captain_proton | scanline: fast and simple |
| 08:18.54 | scanline | mutt isn't easy enough for ya? |
| 08:19.00 | captain_proton | never used mutt |
| 08:19.46 | captain_proton | just apt-get and shaddup ;)\ |
| 08:19.52 | scanline | pfft |
| 08:19.53 | scanline | fine |
| 08:20.07 | captain_proton | scanline: did you get my earlier message? |
| 08:20.19 | scanline | actually, I think debian doesn't have pine any more |
| 08:20.19 | captain_proton | re: addresses? |
| 08:20.27 | captain_proton | bleah |
| 08:20.28 | scanline | nope? |
| 08:20.32 | captain_proton | why in the world not? |
| 08:20.36 | scanline | license |
| 08:20.55 | captain_proton | ohh right |
| 08:21.01 | captain_proton | silly debian |
| 08:21.07 | scanline | just try mutt |
| 08:21.17 | scanline | or set a .forward to another account |
| 08:21.29 | scanline | or tunnel IMAP through ssh |
| 08:22.09 | scanline | hmmm |
| 08:22.15 | scanline | zope.picogui.org seems to be unpingable :-/ |
| 08:23.25 | captain_proton | hahaha |
| 08:23.45 | scanline | looks like either Zettai went down, or we lost the route to it |
| 08:23.59 | captain_proton | nowhere do they say its against terms to register many email accounts |
| 08:24.05 | scanline | cool |
| 08:24.11 | scanline | free PICs for everyone :) |
| 08:24.36 | scanline | captain_proton: since microchip seems to be faster at shipping than maxim, I might should get some of microchip's fast op-amps just in case |
| 08:24.47 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 08:24.58 | ahnkana | fuck this shti! |
| 08:25.00 | ahnkana | fuck it |
| 08:25.08 | ahnkana | i don't care anymore |
| 08:25.14 | ahnkana | i am so sick of everyone blaming me |
| 08:25.14 | captain_proton | what is ahnkana giving up on? |
| 08:25.20 | ahnkana | AGRGH |
| 08:25.31 | ahnkana | if dan isn't sleeping may i come bitch upstairs? |
| 08:25.35 | scanline | ahnkana: I think there's only one person blaming you, and she's blaming everyone |
| 08:25.46 | ahnkana | oh no! |
| 08:25.50 | ahnkana | now it's angela too |
| 08:25.59 | scanline | hmm |
| 08:26.03 | captain_proton | ahnkana: dan hasn't yet gone to sleep |
| 08:26.04 | ahnkana | and she doesn't have a fucking clue what's going on |
| 08:26.11 | ahnkana | lol |
| 08:27.33 | scanline | hey.. the combination black and white border I added on the new picogui logo makes it look good against any background, not just pure black or white |
| 08:27.41 | scanline | alpha channels are cool :) |
| 08:27.42 | darth_mall | captain_proton or lurgyman: you should tell jen I don't blame her ^_^ |
| 08:28.33 | darth_mall | and on that note, we cue the music |
| 08:29.09 | darth_mall | well, /me is worn out |
| 08:29.13 | darth_mall | and possibly pretty ill |
| 08:29.19 | darth_mall | so, /me is going to sleep |
| 08:29.23 | darth_mall | night all |
| 08:29.35 | darth_mall | scanline: sorry all this shite got dumped in your channel |
| 08:29.50 | darth_mall | sleep weel everyone |
| 08:29.58 | Dire | nite nite |
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| 08:48.29 | Dire | guess it's about time to hit the hay as well |
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| 09:53.53 | bigthor | hi |
| 10:03.55 | scanline | hmm, looks like zettai unbroke |
| 10:04.22 | bigthor[gentoo] | :) |
| 10:05.04 | ahnkana | Jen is from now on to stay out of Angel's life!, Jen is not allowed to speak with Angel anymore.And Jen should not BLAB about Angel's business because that belongs to Angel! Jen is no longer welcome in Angel and Angela's room! |
| 10:05.23 | ahnkana | so sayeth angel |
| 10:05.30 | scanline | just now? |
| 10:05.33 | ahnkana | yep |
| 10:05.36 | scanline | dang |
| 10:05.41 | ahnkana | yea well |
| 10:06.22 | ahnkana | told you it was all my fault in her eyes....see why i am so upset.....oh well...i am between a rock and a hard place.....fuck it |
| 10:08.50 | ahnkana | scanline will like this one |
| 10:08.54 | scanline | uh oh |
| 10:10.56 | ahnkana | okay |
| 10:10.59 | ahnkana | it's updated |
| 10:11.00 | ahnkana | ask |
| 10:11.08 | scanline | PicoBot: word of the day? |
| 10:11.09 | PicoBot | ahnkana's word of the day is: UNREGENERATE *un-rih-JEN-nuh-rut* (adjective) 1) : not spiritually reborn or converted 2) a : not reformed : unreconstructed *b : obstinate, stubborn |
| 10:11.16 | scanline | hehe |
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| 11:21.10 | balor | I have 4 students, and I want them to build a small embedded Linux system (for experience), what hardware do people suggest I use? |
| 11:21.40 | scanline | what sort of embedded system? PDA-like, something for industrial control? |
| 11:23.40 | balor | scanline: somthing that is a (modularised) processing engine, capable of outputting to an LCD |
| 11:24.19 | balor | scanline: sort or like: pe1(mp3 decoder)->pe2(scheduler)->pe3(picogui) |
| 11:24.29 | scanline | balor: hmm.. you should try to catch prpplague in this channel or in #elinux, and buy a hackkit from him. It's a PC/104-sized board with a StrongARM SA-1110 and a few peripherals |
| 11:24.48 | scanline | I think he has an introductory price of $99 :) |
| 11:25.06 | scanline | There's a very small web site for the project: |
| 11:25.09 | scanline | http://hackkit.eletztrick.de/ |
| 11:25.41 | scanline | He was planning on sending me one once they start production, for porting PicoGUI |
| 11:26.32 | balor | They look cool |
| 11:26.37 | scanline | yep :) |
| 11:26.42 | scanline | I'm looking forward to playing with one |
| 11:27.00 | scanline | he's trying to put together a kit including the board, and some common hardware like LCD and touchscreen |
| 11:27.14 | scanline | hopefully ethernet |
| 11:27.52 | balor | USB, i wan't USB, gimmie :) |
| 11:28.03 | scanline | Another option if you're only interested in having the students work on software, would be to have them build a linux distro and associated software for an existing device that runs linux |
| 11:28.19 | scanline | the zaurus, for example, has compact flash, USB slave, LCD, touchscreen, and audio |
| 11:28.35 | balor | I was thinking of crosscompiling, but that just isn't as hands on |
| 11:28.48 | scanline | tuxscreen is also a good hacking platform- they're sold out, but you might be able to get one cheap somewhere |
| 11:29.10 | scanline | balor: you're planning on having them compile software on the embedded system? |
| 11:29.34 | scanline | most systems don't have enough memory to be a good compile environment, and even with swap space it's slow |
| 11:29.41 | balor | No sorry, I'm new to this. |
| 11:29.46 | scanline | everybody cross-compiles |
| 11:29.52 | scanline | no problem :) |
| 11:30.04 | scanline | I was just curious whether you want this to be primarily a hardware or software learning experience |
| 11:30.30 | balor | I want them to develop for a system, I was thinking of only cross-compiling, but I'd love to have the hardware to run it on. I't primarily a SW learning. |
| 11:30.44 | scanline | ok. for software learning, there are a ton of choices |
| 11:31.16 | scanline | PDAs and gaming consoles are good platforms |
| 11:31.51 | balor | Our problem is that a lot of the students are not motivated (I'm a postgrad not a lecturer) and we need to pull them in with somthing cool (like hardware) to play with. |
| 11:31.57 | scanline | The dreamcast is a good cheap platform- $50 or so for the DC itself, plus maybe $100 for the ethernet adaptor |
| 11:32.17 | balor | I forgot they were that cheap |
| 11:32.28 | scanline | though the dreamcast's development community is pretty dead now, so you wouldn't have much help |
| 11:32.41 | scanline | the zaurus has a very active community and good tools, but it's more expensive |
| 11:33.12 | scanline | If you can get a hackkit or a tuxscreen, both would be cheap hardware and an active community, though there would be some hardware tweaking involved |
| 11:33.41 | balor | I was looking at the more componentised end of things, so hakkit sounds good, hardware tweaking would be _fun_ |
| 11:33.51 | scanline | :) |
| 11:34.28 | scanline | I'd recommend also asking about this in #elinux and #openembedded.. there's a good embedded linux community on this IRC network |
| 11:38.10 | balor | scanline: BTW, I am the person who offered the HP server for picogui devel, the offer still stands and will include our new Intel boxes (If they ever arrive) |
| 11:38.24 | scanline | ah, cool :) |
| 11:38.47 | scanline | The server from Zettai seems to be working fine so far, but I really appreciate the offer and will keep it in mind if we need a new server |
| 11:39.24 | balor | scanline: The HP is a 64 bit risc proc running Debian, so if you need it for testing just mail me. |
| 11:39.49 | scanline | wow |
| 11:40.03 | balor | it's slow though (180MHz) |
| 11:40.47 | balor | I can also get you an account on an e450 (Solaris) I think |
| 11:41.10 | balor | *balor, pervayor of fine UNIX accounts* |
| 11:41.19 | balor | fsck, I cant spell |
| 11:41.24 | scanline | :) |
| 11:41.44 | scanline | I need to bug captain_proton into getting jetstream and picogui fully working on the Onyx 2 box here |
| 11:42.06 | scanline | picogui compiled and starts, but we haven't really tested it yet.. jetstream won't link |
| 11:42.07 | file | mmm |
| 11:42.53 | scanline | oh, reminds me |
| 11:43.14 | *** topic/#picogui by scanline -> http://picogui.org || If nobody here answers your question, try the pgui-devel mailing list || The new picogui.org is live! |
| 11:43.52 | balor | Whats the irc command to emote? |
| 11:44.06 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:51.36 | lalo[out] | reindexing fixed it. |
| 13:51.53 | lalo[out] | in a few hours when it propagates I'll want to reindex again |
| 13:52.40 | scanline | neat |
| 13:54.26 | scanline | re: the logo in internet exploder, do you know if png files- I should try getting the color in the transparent areas set to white, in case IE is just ignoring the alpha channel rather than compositing it against black |
| 13:54.33 | scanline | not sure why I didn't think of that the first time |
| 13:57.00 | lalo[out] | hmm |
| 13:57.14 | lalo[out] | great, I messed up when cleaning up quoting |
| 13:57.38 | lalo[out] | so my message has more quoting than I intended, and half of what I wrote was lost in the void :-P |
| 13:58.06 | lalo[out] | are you sure the transparent areas aren't already white to begin with? |
| 13:58.37 | scanline | dunno... I'm perfeclty happy with not worrying about IE though :) |
| 13:58.44 | lalo | dorneles said it's borked and there isn't much we can do about it. |
| 13:58.55 | scanline | I just had a VMware handy, and thought i'd test it |
| 14:00.06 | scanline | hmm.. IE must have been compositing it against a black background, because if it was just stripping off the alpha the drop shadow would have looked gray |
| 14:00.16 | scanline | that's really dumb |
| 14:16.06 | gonkey{iBook} | PicoBot: seen ahnkana |
| 14:16.06 | PicoBot | ahnkana was last seen on #picogui 3 hours, 26 minutes and 59 seconds ago, saying: goes to sleep....g'night world [Wed Feb 12 21:55:57 2003] |
| 14:30.44 | scanline | Wow.. this planetary alignment special effect in "MacGyver - Lost treasure of atlantis" is even more accurate than our astrology class |
| 14:32.14 | scanline | oh no.. platinum punchcards in an ancient computer hidden in atlantis |
| 14:32.20 | scanline | geothermal power?? |
| 14:32.43 | scanline | I think I need to find out who wrote this movie and annoy them about it.. |
| 14:33.28 | *** join/#picogui merlin262 (~Andrew@crtntx1-ar1-4-60-243-225.crtntx1.dsl-verizon.net) |
| 14:34.48 | scanline | hi merlin262 |
| 14:46.27 | gonkey{iBook} | scanline: there is talk of a "new macgyver" |
| 14:46.35 | scanline | oh? |
| 14:46.38 | gonkulator | yeah |
| 14:46.42 | scanline | scary |
| 14:46.44 | gonkulator | do you know macgyver's first name? |
| 14:46.51 | scanline | no |
| 14:46.52 | gonkulator | Angus |
| 14:47.07 | scanline | never heard it used :) |
| 14:47.14 | gonkulator | his grandpa lets it slip in one of the last episodes :) |
| 14:48.29 | scanline | ah |
| 14:49.36 | gonkulator | so whats on the agenda for tomorrow after Astrology? |
| 14:50.03 | scanline | well, I figure we try this new drink you have and we'll all pass out :) |
| 14:50.28 | gonkulator | hehehe, ok |
| 14:50.47 | gonkulator | brb after I have a glass full of it |
| 14:50.51 | scanline | uh oh |
| 14:51.00 | scanline | dihydrogen monoxide will kill us all! |
| 14:52.09 | gonkulator | scanline: you're gonna love it |
| 14:53.39 | bigthor[gentoo] | new picogui.org is pretty |
| 14:53.42 | scanline | just stuck big "PicoGUI.org has moved - This site is for archival only" at the top of every old page |
| 14:53.50 | scanline | bigthor[gentoo]: indeed :) |
| 14:54.01 | scanline | plone + new logo == spiffy |
| 14:54.05 | bigthor[gentoo] | but... it looks bad on opera's fullscreen |
| 14:54.25 | bigthor[gentoo] | FYI |
| 14:55.18 | bigthor[gentoo] | it must be opera fault anyway |
| 14:55.35 | bigthor[gentoo] | cos it looks ok on not fullscreen |
| 14:55.41 | hikke | Really neat |
| 14:55.55 | gonkulator | OMG |
| 14:55.58 | gonkulator | scanline: thats beautiful |
| 14:56.08 | gonkulator | lalo[out]: great job! |
| 14:56.27 | scanline | hehe |
| 14:56.51 | scanline | Most of it is the plone default layout |
| 14:56.56 | vlado | plone forever! :P |
| 14:56.59 | scanline | I did the color scheme and logo |
| 14:58.00 | scanline | if you create an account, you can select from a few different looks- there's the default one, a few that came with plone, and one lalo made that looks a lot like the old site |
| 14:58.43 | scanline | hahaha! |
| 14:58.50 | gonkulator | hmm.... |
| 14:59.14 | scanline | in this site, you can post comments on news items and screenshots, plus you have a personal area where you can add your own content |
| 14:59.29 | scanline | and a wiki that works right :) |
| 14:59.47 | gonkulator | w00t |
| 15:00.10 | scanline | most of the stuff hasn't been transfered from the old wiki, but feel free to help do so :) |
| 15:03.37 | vlado | when i run the demo button images are missing, what am i doing wrong ? |
| 15:04.01 | vlado | any ideas ? |
| 15:04.17 | scanline | hmm.. could be you compiled pgserver without PNG support, but in that case it should give an error rather than omitting them |
| 15:06.02 | gonkulator | doh |
| 15:06.27 | gonkulator | damn.... |
| 15:06.34 | vlado | i compilled it without jpeg support |
| 15:06.36 | gonkulator | w00t |
| 15:06.58 | scanline | vlado: that shouldn't matter.. in the 'demo' app the icons are PNG files |
| 15:16.56 | gonkulator | scanline: your gonna love this drink |
| 15:18.27 | scanline | hmm |
| 15:21.07 | lalo | gonkulator: thanks |
| 15:21.51 | gonkulator | it is way better than the old site |
| 15:22.31 | scanline | gonkulator: all done with open source software, no silly macromedia-thingies ;) |
| 15:22.44 | scanline | sodipodi and gimp |
| 15:23.00 | gonkulator | scanline: and the best part IMHO... NO FLASH |
| 15:24.24 | scanline | it's mostly standards compliant... the template is XHTML and CSS2, though some of the imported news items aren't valid XHTML |
| 15:24.26 | bigthor[gentoo] | gonkulator: _absolutely_ agree |
| 15:25.07 | lalo | gonkulator: the lead skinmaster of plone is a professional designer - one of the best I know |
| 15:28.29 | scanline | oh.. guess I need some of these crit__ files |
| 15:28.41 | scanline | lalo: what do those do? |
| 15:28.46 | lalo | crit__?? |
| 15:29.11 | scanline | in the first three link categories, there are files crit__Subject, crit__linkcat_sort, and crit__review_state |
| 15:29.20 | scanline | looks like the sort of thing plone should have created |
| 15:29.28 | scanline | I added it all via plone, not the ZMI |
| 15:29.41 | lalo | wtf are you doing, seeing it via ftp? or zmi? :-) |
| 15:29.47 | scanline | zmi |
| 15:29.58 | lalo | you manage those via the plone interface, the topic object has a "criteria" tab |
| 15:30.03 | scanline | I'm just trying to figure out why the category I added via plone doesn't work |
| 15:30.12 | lalo | as for it appearing in the box: |
| 15:30.25 | lalo | you're probably not doing anything wrong, but for some absurd reason CMFTopic objects don't add themselves automatically to the catalog |
| 15:30.33 | scanline | oh |
| 15:30.36 | scanline | reindex? |
| 15:30.46 | gonkulator | well, time to go to school |
| 15:30.51 | gonkulator | later scanline |
| 15:30.54 | scanline | bye gonk |
| 15:30.54 | gonkulator | later lalo |
| 15:30.57 | lalo | after you rename it and give it the Title you want to appear in the box, you have to go to the catalog via ZMI and manually add the new object |
| 15:31.00 | lalo | later gonkulator |
| 15:31.30 | scanline | lalo: which tab in the ZMI has what I'm interested in? |
| 15:31.49 | lalo | this sucks, but it's quite useful for us because it also means users can't easily create link categories that affect the overall site layout ;-) |
| 15:32.05 | scanline | good point |
| 15:32.12 | lalo | hmm, IIRC the name is somthing like "find objects to catalog" |
| 15:32.24 | lalo | then in the "type" select, you find "Portal Topic" |
| 15:32.31 | scanline | ah, 'find objects' tab |
| 15:32.31 | lalo | and submit |
| 15:33.22 | scanline | yikes |
| 15:33.30 | lalo | ? |
| 15:33.36 | scanline | the new category is in the box now, but apparently it contains more than I thought |
| 15:33.42 | lalo | yes. |
| 15:33.47 | scanline | :) |
| 15:33.56 | lalo | you have to add criteria, or it returns everything :-) |
| 15:34.38 | lalo | use one of the existing categories as a guide |
| 15:35.07 | scanline | thanks. I completely missed the 'criteria' tab when I was looking at things in the plone interface |
| 15:36.27 | lalo | the topic object is a very interesting tool, regardless of my (ab)using it for the link box |
| 15:37.13 | scanline | indeed. this looks quite powerful |
| 15:37.20 | scanline | zcatalog in general is pretty spiffy :) |
| 15:39.09 | scanline | how do I change a link's Subject from plone? |
| 15:40.24 | lalo | in the properties tab |
| 15:41.08 | scanline | nothing there looks like it would set Subject |
| 15:42.21 | lalo | ? |
| 15:42.27 | lalo | it's the keywords thingie |
| 15:42.58 | scanline | ohh |
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| 16:07.04 | ahnkana | hullo world |
| 16:07.18 | ahnkana | oh wow, that's depressing, i think i'll go back to sleep |
| 16:07.22 | Dire | g'mornin |
| 16:07.27 | scanline | hi ahnkana |
| 16:07.28 | ahnkana | hi |
| 16:07.47 | ahnkana | scanline: did you sleep? |
| 16:07.53 | scanline | nyet |
| 16:07.55 | ahnkana | lol |
| 16:08.15 | scanline | stayed up watching MacGyver and hacking at picogui.org |
| 16:08.23 | ahnkana | yea for capt engineering |
| 16:08.31 | scanline | and now I'm about to do my astrology lab at the very last possible hour |
| 16:08.43 | ahnkana | lol......don't tax yourself.... |
| 16:08.48 | ahnkana | it might hurt |
| 16:08.48 | scanline | =) |
| 16:08.52 | lalo | ahnkana: what is depressing? |
| 16:09.03 | ahnkana | lalo: you don't want to know, trust me |
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| 16:09.15 | lalo | scanline: good thing you didn'ŧ try to MacGyver the site ;-) |
| 16:09.27 | scanline | it'd look just like the old one :) |
| 16:11.48 | lalo | interesting |
| 16:11.53 | lalo | 4thought is in Boulder |
| 16:12.34 | scanline | hmm |
| 16:12.44 | ahnkana | i like my new away message |
| 16:12.46 | ahnkana | hehehe |
| 16:12.48 | scanline | what does 4thought do, other than have a web page with a really out of focus title? |
| 16:12.56 | lalo | :-) |
| 16:13.07 | lalo | http://fourthought.com |
| 16:13.21 | scanline | oh |
| 16:13.23 | lalo | it's a python-based xml consultancy shop |
| 16:13.44 | scanline | that's better.. I was looking at 4thought.com, which is more of a generic business-somethingorother site |
| 16:18.51 | ahnkana | erg |
| 16:22.39 | scanline | of course, it's the same crowd that doesn't believe in antialiased text... |
| 16:23.22 | scanline | openlook is just motif with rounded edges |
| 16:23.48 | scanline | and now I seem to have started an argument about SVG... |
| 16:24.05 | scanline | ahnkana: does she have a sheep and a cow yet? |
| 16:24.38 | ahnkana | she is a he, and no, not yet....but he wants to breed horses! |
| 16:24.51 | scanline | oh.. you said 'she' |
| 16:24.57 | scanline | oops |
| 16:25.21 | ahnkana | hehe |
| 16:27.21 | balor | Is there a PacMan type game for PicoGui? |
| 16:28.02 | lalo | balor: no but hunting bugs in the source code has a very similar feeling |
| 16:30.10 | balor | lalo: lol |
| 16:32.30 | balor | \me balor is hungry too |
| 16:32.44 | ahnkana | if you don't live in CO, you can fly out |
| 16:32.48 | balor | looks like I havn't gotten the hang of it yet :) |
| 16:33.11 | scanline | ahnkana: lab at 10:00... might feel like eating afterward, though I don't know when that will be |
| 16:33.15 | ahnkana | key to flying: try to fall, and miss the ground (hitchhiker's guide) |
| 16:33.29 | balor | key to flying: smoke more |
| 16:33.35 | scanline | hehe |
| 16:33.55 | ahnkana | scanline: if i haven't eaten by that point, i will eat with you |
| 16:34.00 | scanline | ok |
| 16:35.11 | scanline | ? |
| 16:35.12 | ahnkana | s/evil/said |
| 16:35.33 | scanline | heh |
| 16:35.44 | ahnkana | well saying evil is my anger talking |
| 16:35.58 | scanline | what did you do to her door? |
| 16:36.03 | ahnkana | i am sure she isn't actually evil, although i am tempted to believe myself |
| 16:36.07 | ahnkana | oh, i didnt do it |
| 16:36.16 | ahnkana | i am not reacting to anything she's done |
| 16:36.20 | ahnkana | she did it |
| 16:36.23 | scanline | heh |
| 16:36.27 | balor | my 0.2 euro: I think I've found a medium-term niche for PicoGui. A lot of primary schools (in Ireland anyway) have old 486s. If we had ~=10 small games (PacMan etc..) and a good distro, they could use the 486s in class (educational S/W would be kool). |
| 16:36.50 | scanline | balor: hmm, that's ironic.. I used to write educational software :) |
| 16:37.42 | balor | scanline: We'll then you're good at it |
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| 16:38.12 | scanline | nah, I'm not proud of that stuff.. it was when I used to write commercial software for windows |
| 16:38.12 | balor | scanline: <jibe> most Americans use ironic wrong </jibe> |
| 16:38.28 | scanline | balor: hell, most americans use contractions wrong |
| 16:38.29 | scanline | :) |
| 16:38.44 | balor | scanline: Free educational like KDEedu is cool, but we can aim at a lower tech market |
| 16:39.03 | ahnkana | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:39.04 | scanline | http://spellactiv.sf.net <-- stuff I used to write (yuck) |
| 16:39.13 | lalo | hmm pgui on 486s |
| 16:39.21 | balor | ahnkana: Irish |
| 16:39.30 | lalo | interesting stuff |
| 16:39.54 | ahnkana | balor: cool :-) |
| 16:39.55 | scanline | I used to develop picogui on my 486 laptop.. that's the only reason the svgalib driver exists :) |
| 16:40.15 | lalo | balor: can I try a "sales pitch" too? :-) |
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| 16:41.12 | lalo | it's probably an interesting alternative to develop the eduactional app as a web application and invest in a browser widget for pg |
| 16:41.41 | lalo | of course I wouldn't be opposed to a few more cool games either, pacman and perhaps a port of tetrinet |
| 16:42.04 | scanline | hmm.. that was weird |
| 16:42.24 | balor | lalo: these machines (I'm talking about) don't have good inet cnx and arn't fast enough to run webservers (on each, no NIC) |
| 16:43.17 | lalo | nonono |
| 16:43.49 | lalo | just link 'em all via ethernet (not necessarily to the internet, but to one another) and run the webserver on another machine |
| 16:44.08 | lalo | buying a cheap NIC for each is probably cheaper than upgrading windows |
| 16:44.50 | lalo | and having the heavy software run in the server means you can run more interesting stuff that would never run in a 486 |
| 16:45.40 | scanline | hmm.. of course, if you just want web you could run a framebuffer web browser :) |
| 16:47.26 | lalo | if you *just* want web. But pgui allows you to also run games, and a terminal, and pgedit. |
| 16:47.37 | scanline | true |
| 16:48.05 | lalo | and simple games are very desirable in a classroom |
| 16:48.33 | lalo | gridgame can probably be an interesting tool :-) |
| 16:48.57 | lalo | for logic, and this kind of thing |
| 16:49.32 | scanline | you could do a lot with python and picogui on a 486 :) |
| 16:51.01 | balor | lalo: we have an extra complication, in that there is generally only ONE 486 per classroom, and spending ANY money is not going to happen. Thus _everything_ has to run on a single 486 |
| 16:52.24 | lalo | ah, ic |
| 16:53.11 | balor | lalo: It's also easyier for a non-tech teacher to take a knoppix style PicoGui dist and install it without worrying about networking |
| 16:53.42 | scanline | maybe it's time I do that floppy picogui distro I was thinking about a long time ago :) |
| 16:53.57 | balor | scanline: exactly what I had in mind |
| 16:54.09 | balor | scanline: tho I was thinking CD |
| 16:54.41 | scanline | CD works too, didn't know whether the machines had CD-ROMs |
| 16:55.38 | balor | scanline: You have a point, if we aim low-tech we should aim low-tech, a 2-3 disk distro could contain everything including apps |
| 16:56.30 | scanline | well, we could probably get a base installation in one disk |
| 16:56.38 | scanline | Helio only had 2MB of ROM :) |
| 16:56.49 | balor | scanline: and distribute apps on others |
| 16:57.00 | scanline | yep |
| 16:57.09 | scanline | the first disk could have an installer that loads things into a ramdisk |
| 16:57.45 | balor | scanline: I can see some of my students possibly developing this (tho they're _really_ bad coders in general) |
| 16:57.54 | scanline | :) |
| 16:57.59 | scanline | well, I have to go to astrology lab.. bbl |
| 16:58.01 | lalo | give them python ;-) |
| 16:58.33 | balor | lalo: to them OO is a breakfast cereal |
| 16:59.39 | lalo | np. |
| 16:59.46 | lalo | you can live without OO in python |
| 17:00.03 | lalo | in fact there is a whole python-for-education initiative, you might want to check it |
| 17:00.18 | balor | lalo: will do |
| 17:00.54 | balor | what kind of music do u people like? |
| 17:01.19 | lalo | I have a stange taste :-) |
| 17:02.12 | lalo | it ranges from classic rock (beatles, etc) to techno and from there to celtic |
| 17:04.46 | balor | Im listening to a lot of Rock/Indie lately |
| 17:05.57 | balor | gotta go and meet my gf |
| 17:07.05 | darth_mall | hehe, I knew there was a reason I like you lalo |
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| 17:30.53 | darth_mall | wb lurgyman |
| 17:30.55 | darth_mall | trouble? |
| 17:32.43 | darth_mall | heh |
| 17:32.55 | darth_mall | hmmmm... |
| 17:33.05 | darth_mall | we've seen scanlime... |
| 17:33.15 | darth_mall | ^_^ |
| 17:33.21 | lurgyman | darth_mall: greetings! |
| 17:33.35 | lurgyman | * again |
| 17:33.46 | ahnkana | yummy |
| 17:33.48 | darth_mall | hi ahnkana |
| 17:33.48 | lurgyman | bye ahnkana |
| 17:34.00 | darth_mall | ahnkana: when you free for lunch? |
| 17:34.40 | darth_mall | oh well |
| 17:34.53 | lurgyman | physics recitation? |
| 17:35.12 | darth_mall | not yet |
| 17:35.15 | darth_mall | that's this afternoon |
| 17:35.19 | lurgyman | calc recitation? |
| 17:35.22 | darth_mall | Data struct recitation |
| 17:35.28 | lurgyman | ah |
| 17:35.32 | darth_mall | that I may skip in lieu of going to Wardenburg for my eye |
| 17:35.44 | lurgyman | darth_mall: what's wrong with your eye? |
| 17:35.51 | darth_mall | dunno exactly |
| 17:35.55 | darth_mall | that's why I'm going to wardenburg |
| 17:36.07 | darth_mall | but that's a pretty wild guess |
| 17:36.21 | darth_mall | since the only thing I know about pinkeye is that it affects your eye and makes it crusty and pink |
| 17:36.32 | darth_mall | but lots of things that irritate eyes make them crusty and pink |
| 17:36.59 | darth_mall | so we shall see |
| 17:37.02 | darth_mall | anyway, off to campus |
| 17:37.08 | darth_mall | later all |
| 17:37.26 | lurgyman | oof |
| 17:38.45 | lurgyman | is michael sleeping? |
| 17:38.51 | scanline | nope |
| 17:38.58 | lurgyman | is michael there? |
| 17:39.03 | scanline | he's been in and out |
| 17:39.06 | lurgyman | ah |
| 17:39.09 | scanline | he just left |
| 17:39.12 | lalo | woot, gedit merged |
| 17:39.22 | lalo | I wonder if it will succeed with balsa now |
| 17:39.25 | scanline | well, I'm about to leave |
| 17:39.31 | lurgyman | ah |
| 17:39.34 | lurgyman | never mind then |
| 17:39.35 | scanline | I need to get a shower then a bite to eat |
| 17:39.50 | lurgyman | have fun with that |
| 17:40.46 | scanline | isn't that weird? |
| 17:41.17 | lurgyman | yep... only one homework collected after that exam |
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| 18:39.01 | ahnkana | .me watches real genius |
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| 19:24.40 | captain_proton | ahnkana: what is on angels door? |
| 19:31.12 | captain_proton | yaaaaaay |
| 19:31.52 | captain_proton | hm |
| 19:32.00 | captain_proton | this guy just asked "want an ipod or 70?" |
| 19:33.46 | captain_proton | wow |
| 19:38.31 | SoopaKoopa | 70 bucks for an ipod? |
| 19:38.52 | captain_proton | oh well, he's not answering |
| 19:38.58 | captain_proton | SoopaKoopa: not 70 for, or 70 ipods |
| 19:39.06 | file | greetings |
| 19:39.20 | SoopaKoopa | for how much? |
| 19:39.25 | SoopaKoopa | and how hot are they? :) |
| 19:40.47 | captain_proton | SoopaKoopa: not hot, haven't gotten an answer via price |
| 19:41.08 | captain_proton | this guy works for a surplus company, he said they got in 3 skids of them today and the little buggers are all over the place |
| 19:41.24 | SoopaKoopa | hmm.. if the price is right, i'd love to take a few off your hands |
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| 19:42.26 | koukos | hello |
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| 19:45.44 | SoopaKoopa | capt, for sure, let me know what is happening with that |
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| 19:53.55 | file | all fidxed |
| 19:53.56 | file | er fixed |
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| 20:05.14 | gonk{work} | hi ahnkana_ |
| 20:16.30 | Dire | bleh remind me not to watch the discovery channel while eating |
| 20:20.41 | gonk{work} | don't watch Discovery channel while eatting |
| 20:20.53 | file | silly you |
| 20:21.13 | gonk{work} | Dire: what see you? |
| 20:23.34 | scanline | captain_proton: the PIC12C508A/JW is so cute! I've never seen a windowed 8-pin package before |
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| 20:24.05 | scanline | captain_proton: I could use an iPod or 70... |
| 20:27.39 | scanline | ooh.. 10MHZ GBP, single supply voltage |
| 20:28.00 | Dire | just watched a guy stick his hand up a cows rear |
| 20:28.01 | Dire | hehe |
| 20:28.37 | Dire | ruined my ravioli! :( |
| 20:29.40 | gonk{work} | eeew |
| 20:39.29 | darth_mall | c'mon, admit it, you're glad to see me ^_^ |
| 20:39.32 | *** join/#picogui patri26281 (~patrick@adsl-63-205-198-43.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net) |
| 20:41.20 | darth_mall | ugh, I don't like doing eyedrops |
| 20:41.57 | darth_mall | thanks |
| 20:42.07 | darth_mall | gonk{work}: well, it's official, I have pink eye |
| 20:42.21 | darth_mall | =\ |
| 20:44.33 | Dire | doh |
| 21:06.30 | lurgyman | darth_mall: eyedrops make pink eye go away? |
| 21:07.32 | SoopaKoopa | darth, you are gross |
| 21:08.07 | darth_mall | lurgyman: they are supposed to |
| 21:08.08 | darth_mall | ;) |
| 21:08.17 | darth_mall | and, in 24hrs I should no longer be contagious |
| 21:08.34 | darth_mall | which means, for the next 24hrs no touching my eye with yours ;) |
| 21:10.11 | gonk{work} | hi ahnkana_ |
| 21:10.28 | gonk{work} | or not :) |
| 21:11.20 | gonk{work} | lurgyman: Random word of the minute! |
| 21:11.31 | lurgyman | fnord |
| 21:13.01 | gonk{work} | damn |
| 21:13.02 | gonk{work} | thats good |
| 21:13.09 | lurgyman | in less than 2.5 hours, we should have all of b5 3rd season! |
| 21:13.20 | darth_mall | yay |
| 21:14.09 | darth_mall | hehe |
| 21:14.24 | SoopaKoopa | you guys are pretty damn active |
| 21:24.56 | lurgyman | 50%! |
| 21:26.20 | gonk{work} | lurgyman: plus or minus eleventeen percent |
| 21:27.19 | darth_mall | phew! finished my hw in time for phys recitation |
| 21:27.25 | lurgyman | yay! |
| 21:27.30 | darth_mall | ^_^ |
| 21:27.52 | lurgyman | darth_mall: i dunno 'bout yours... but with our TA you can get away with doing the homework during class then turning it in at the end |
| 21:28.01 | darth_mall | really? |
| 21:28.04 | darth_mall | never tried |
| 21:28.18 | lurgyman | i don't think he realizes we do it.... ours is pretty oblivious |
| 21:30.26 | darth_mall | who's your ta? |
| 21:30.55 | gonk{work} | ta ra... college has too many *a things |
| 21:31.59 | lurgyman | hmm... the indian guy |
| 21:32.06 | lurgyman | too many syllables for me to remember, i'm afraid |
| 21:32.11 | lurgyman | 11:00 1B21 |
| 21:32.12 | darth_mall | oh |
| 21:36.24 | gonk{work} | later darth_mall |
| 21:36.29 | gonk{work} | darth_mall: take care and learn lots |
| 21:36.56 | lurgyman | bye bye |
| 21:37.02 | gonk{work} | if you take the p out of campus it spells camus |
| 21:41.12 | SoopaKoopa | wow |
| 21:41.18 | SoopaKoopa | i learn more and more in this chan |
| 21:42.08 | lurgyman | if you take the c u out of campus, you get amps |
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| 21:53.59 | captain_proton | scanline: alive? |
| 22:11.25 | captain_proton | scanline: hm, i don't suppose you have any usb cables you don't need ;) |
| 22:16.23 | scanline | captain_proton: actually, I do |
| 22:16.36 | scanline | captain_proton: you'll need a few external components for that though, and they aren't in yet |
| 22:16.44 | scanline | most importantly the 6mhz crystal |
| 22:16.56 | captain_proton | true, true |
| 22:17.01 | scanline | whoa |
| 22:17.12 | scanline | the assignment that was going to be due in 2 hours just got its due date extended |
| 22:17.17 | scanline | now it's next tuesday |
| 22:17.19 | scanline | =) |
| 22:17.19 | captain_proton | scanline: listen to nightwish/to myself i turned |
| 22:17.26 | captain_proton | its incomplete, but its soooooo good |
| 22:17.26 | scanline | good plan |
| 22:18.21 | scanline | captain_proton: microchip makes op-amps with a 10mhz GBP and single-rail supply |
| 22:18.29 | scanline | but they don't have samples for the DIP parts |
| 22:18.32 | captain_proton | nifty |
| 22:18.34 | captain_proton | aw |
| 22:18.56 | scanline | I'll keep browsing to see if they have a close-enough part in DIP.. if not, guess I get to do some more ad-hoc surface mounting |
| 22:19.21 | scanline | 8-pin SOIC packages are a piece of cake to mount on protoboards |
| 22:21.24 | scanline | grr |
| 22:21.42 | scanline | all their op-amps aren't really for free sampling, they give you a page for contacting a local representative |
| 22:22.11 | captain_proton | :P |
| 22:22.16 | captain_proton | looks like its still maxim |
| 22:22.21 | scanline | yeah |
| 22:22.29 | scanline | wonder when they're planning on shipping that... |
| 22:24.01 | captain_proton | if we had someone with a car we could go over to saunders |
| 22:25.02 | scanline | you really think they'd have 10mhz GBP op-amps? |
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| 22:26.35 | scanline | well, we only have 4 guns |
| 22:26.46 | captain_proton | scanline: um, no |
| 22:26.49 | scanline | I bought enough parts for 8 transmitters I think |
| 22:26.51 | captain_proton | scanline: 2 player though |
| 22:27.10 | scanline | captain_proton: bah.. I demand 4-player 2-handed combat! |
| 22:27.36 | gonk{work} | :) |
| 22:27.41 | captain_proton | scanline: we'll have to appropriate another 4 then |
| 22:27.43 | file | hi all |
| 22:27.52 | gonk{work} | hello file |
| 22:28.37 | scanline | I have a few op-amps, but they're about a factor of 100 too slow :) |
| 22:28.54 | captain_proton | scanline: we should try to get over to JB |
| 22:29.28 | captain_proton | gonk{work}: are you here now? |
| 22:29.31 | scanline | captain_proton: right now? |
| 22:29.37 | captain_proton | scanline: YES! |
| 22:29.43 | gonk{work} | captain_proton: not right now, but I could be there with my car in just under 2 hours |
| 22:29.45 | scanline | I'm emailing my dad to see when I should leave for home.. |
| 22:29.46 | captain_proton | jen has class at 4 |
| 22:29.49 | scanline | I want to know that first |
| 22:29.53 | ahn_upstairs | wehhe |
| 22:29.54 | captain_proton | gonk{work}: they'll be closed by then |
| 22:30.09 | gonk{work} | captain_proton: oh |
| 22:30.25 | scanline | so.. here's my list of stuff to retrieve from home so far: |
| 22:30.26 | gonk{work} | hi ahn_upstairs |
| 22:30.30 | scanline | Oscilloscope |
| 22:30.30 | scanline | scope probes |
| 22:30.30 | scanline | PCB stuff |
| 22:30.30 | scanline | breadboards |
| 22:30.30 | scanline | soldering iron |
| 22:30.31 | scanline | walkie-talkies |
| 22:30.42 | gonk{work} | HANDY-talkies |
| 22:30.44 | ahn_upstairs | hi gonk{work} |
| 22:30.49 | ahn_upstairs | how for art thou |
| 22:30.49 | captain_proton | walkie talkies? :) |
| 22:30.50 | gonk{work} | walkie-talkies are the things you wear on your back... |
| 22:31.05 | gonk{work} | handy talkies are the ones you hold in your hand... |
| 22:31.12 | scanline | captain_proton: I have a bunch of them, and they operate at about the same frequency as these transmitters will be :) |
| 22:31.40 | gonk{work} | ahn_upstairs: I am doing fairly well |
| 22:31.58 | scanline | ahn_upstairs: turns out I don't have to do that homework today, the due date got moved to next week |
| 22:32.01 | gonk{work} | ahn_upstairs: I got lots of good sleep last night, and have been actually getting my homework done |
| 22:32.03 | ahn_upstairs | would any of you be interested in watching muppets movie and or lain and cooking at evan's house? |
| 22:32.08 | ahn_upstairs | sorry angel not invited |
| 22:32.19 | scanline | Jen, angel isn't even here... |
| 22:32.28 | ahn_upstairs | i woldn't know |
| 22:32.33 | gonk{work} | where is she? |
| 22:32.43 | scanline | I was referring to here == #picogui |
| 22:32.45 | ahn_upstairs | gonk{work}: you don't want know |
| 22:32.52 | ahn_upstairs | let it go |
| 22:32.57 | ahn_upstairs | easier |
| 22:33.23 | captain_proton | hinge, open the iris! |
| 22:35.26 | scanline | ok, looks like I'm leaving.. right now! |
| 22:35.35 | captain_proton | scanline: for home? |
| 22:35.48 | scanline | I'll be back later tonight.. probably going to go to my brother's band concert tonight too |
| 22:35.50 | scanline | yes, for home |
| 22:35.57 | scanline | taking the bus and light rail to mineral station |
| 22:37.07 | captain_proton | scanline: welp, be seeing you |
| 22:37.24 | captain_proton | scanline: if you have any 6MHz crystals at home, it would be nice to build something :) |
| 22:37.34 | scanline | if you think of anything you want me to try to rummage up from home, email me |
| 22:37.47 | scanline | actually, I may have one 6mhz crystal here.. though I don't think I have any 200nf capacitors |
| 22:38.44 | captain_proton | :( |
| 22:39.12 | scanline | and I need my SCOPE! |
| 22:39.15 | scanline | :) |
| 22:40.05 | gonk{work} | later scanline |
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| 23:17.18 | *** join/#picogui lalo (~lalo@200.203.12.232) |
| 23:17.25 | gonk{work} | wb lalo |
| 23:20.00 | gonk{work} | well, quittin time |
| 23:20.30 | merlin262 | hehe |
| 23:29.50 | lalo | damn. |
| 23:30.08 | lalo | gtk upgrade killed irssi tab hilighting :-/ |
