| 00:33.11 | scanline | captain_proton: food? |
| 01:14.42 | *** join/#picogui caffeine (~khedspet@clt74-76-015.carolina.rr.com) |
| 01:17.59 | file | caffeine: is good |
| 01:19.56 | caffeine | caffeine is a lifeline |
| 01:27.14 | njs | caffeine is an odd choice for a nick |
| 01:28.06 | caffeine | concept of nicks in general is odd |
| 01:28.13 | njs | yes |
| 01:30.25 | *** part/#picogui prae (~prae@sherpadown.net) |
| 01:34.15 | *** join/#picogui gonkulator (~brandon@h-66-167-168-149.DNVTCO56.covad.net) |
| 01:36.19 | *** topic/#picogui by gonkulator -> Home of the Friends Through Roasted Soy Nuts (FTRSN), download the party! | (captain_proton): first it tastes like tea, then like egg nog, then it oscillates between the two || (scanline): oh man I miss dorm food. |
| 01:36.44 | scanline | caffeine... mmm... |
| 01:36.53 | gonkulator | scanline: when did you wake up? |
| 01:37.02 | scanline | 5:00 or so |
| 01:37.15 | gonkulator | oh |
| 01:37.23 | gonkulator | when did you faceplant? |
| 01:37.31 | scanline | noonish |
| 01:37.48 | gonkulator | ah, right before I woke up |
| 01:38.12 | gonkulator | and you woke up right before I left |
| 01:40.02 | scanline | want to come back to boulder? :) |
| 01:40.08 | scanline | we still need to watch The Party and/or Zardoz |
| 01:40.25 | gonkulator | I'll be up tomorrow |
| 01:40.32 | gonkulator | for David's concert |
| 01:40.38 | gonkulator | and I'll bring ahnkana with me :) |
| 01:40.43 | scanline | oh, neat |
| 01:41.07 | file | omg - I actually fragged somebody in my lifetime! |
| 01:41.14 | file | but I never wanted it to be gonkulator |
| 01:41.16 | file | NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! |
| 01:41.21 | scanline | I got my pong thingy working about as well as it's going to using the current design for the sensors |
| 01:41.33 | scanline | it's playable, though a bit frustrating |
| 01:41.48 | gonkulator | sounds like a game I could get good at :) |
| 01:41.55 | scanline | yep :) |
| 01:41.58 | scanline | it keeps score and such |
| 01:42.03 | gonkulator | OR, sounds like an AI that I would intend to write |
| 01:42.03 | scanline | 2-player :) |
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| 01:42.15 | gonkulator | wow, an Exciting TWO PLAYER version! |
| 01:42.24 | scanline | yep |
| 01:42.34 | scanline | it's made out of a ramen noodle box and duct tape :) |
| 01:42.39 | gonkulator | s/PLAYER/PERSON |
| 01:43.02 | scanline | It's really strange being able to control a game just by holding your hand near the paddle :) |
| 01:43.59 | gonkulator | you know too much |
| 01:44.31 | scanline | so.. what time tomorrow will you be here? |
| 01:44.39 | scanline | you could come early and hang out here before the concert |
| 01:49.02 | gonkulator | hmm... |
| 01:49.09 | gonkulator | I don't know yet when I will be on my way up |
| 01:49.29 | gonkulator | the earliest I would be up would be around noonish |
| 01:49.33 | gonkulator | so captain_proton's wake up time |
| 01:49.45 | scanline | ok |
| 02:07.40 | lurgyman | gonkulator: i was just back |
| 02:07.40 | gonkulator | uh huh |
| 02:07.49 | lurgyman | yep huh |
| 02:07.52 | lurgyman | what's jen say? |
| 02:08.06 | gonkulator | Jen said "I have to go eat dinner now, bye bye" |
| 02:08.16 | lurgyman | ah |
| 02:09.39 | gonkulator | no... /me pokes scanline |
| 02:09.45 | gonkulator | hi everybody |
| 02:10.00 | gonkulator | bye everybody |
| 02:10.16 | *** join/#picogui gonkulator (~brandon@h-66-167-168-149.DNVTCO56.covad.net) |
| 02:10.22 | gonkulator | that didn't go as planned.... |
| 02:10.31 | lurgyman | :) |
| 02:10.33 | gonkulator | gonk{work}: what are you up to? |
| 02:10.40 | gonkulator | eh, oh well |
| 02:11.39 | scanline | mmm.. chai nog... |
| 02:11.47 | scanline | lurgyman: want to play pong? :) |
| 02:12.08 | lurgyman | scanline: ok |
| 02:12.44 | scanline | haha |
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| 02:24.00 | file | hi kidder |
| 02:26.13 | kidder | hello file |
| 02:27.47 | kidder | me must go...bye bye |
| 02:28.11 | kidder | Xentac is here... and he's not coming back! mwahahaha |
| 02:28.15 | kidder | ta ta |
| 02:29.36 | file | oh ic |
| 02:29.40 | file | tell him I say hi |
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| 03:01.01 | KeyserSoze | are there any busybox based linux distros, kind of similar to what the tuxscreen has, except for x86? |
| 03:01.16 | gonkulator | KeyserSoze: try freshmeat! |
| 03:01.30 | KeyserSoze | good idea. i've been googling. |
| 03:02.26 | file | KeyserSoze: many |
| 03:02.46 | file | floppy based distros use it |
| 03:02.57 | KeyserSoze | ooh, debian-ham! |
| 03:03.11 | gonkulator | KeyserSoze: debian spam? |
| 03:03.18 | KeyserSoze | no, ham. like ham radio |
| 03:03.25 | KeyserSoze | that's one of the things I need it for. |
| 03:03.26 | gonkulator | debian spam? |
| 03:03.29 | KeyserSoze | (packet radio) |
| 03:03.34 | gonkulator | oh, ok |
| 03:05.10 | KeyserSoze | debian-ham is perfect for this project! it's got ax.25 and tcp/ip in the kernel, and is small enough to boot from a floppy. |
| 03:06.54 | lalo | here am I |
| 03:07.12 | file | lalo: great |
| 03:24.25 | gonkulator | hi Dire |
| 03:25.14 | lalo | PicoBot: seen scanline |
| 03:25.15 | PicoBot | scanline was last seen on #picogui 1 hours, 12 minutes and 30 seconds ago, saying: haha [Sat Feb 8 13:18:52 2003] |
| 03:27.37 | *** join/#picogui DevGirl (~maisa@200.203.12.232) |
| 03:27.53 | gonkulator | hey DevGirl |
| 03:28.34 | file | DevGirl!!!!!!!!!! |
| 03:29.48 | DevGirl | hello :) |
| 03:29.54 | DevGirl | hi, gonkey! |
| 03:30.01 | DevGirl | hi, file! |
| 03:31.13 | gonkulator | DevGirl: whats up? |
| 03:32.15 | DevGirl | nothing new :) just trying to helo with picogui.org migration :) |
| 03:32.18 | DevGirl | help |
| 03:35.23 | DevGirl | hehehheheh :) |
| 03:48.01 | lalo | ahh gonk |
| 03:48.12 | lalo | don't sweat it, we all find you very heloful. |
| 04:15.49 | lalo | hey scanline |
| 04:16.27 | scanline | hi lalo, DevGirl, and lurgyman :) |
| 04:16.43 | scanline | This 'add a comment' button on the wiki is pretty neat |
| 04:16.54 | DevGirl | hiya, scan :D |
| 04:16.59 | scanline | though IMHO the 'with heading' should be on by default |
| 04:17.40 | DevGirl | scanline: isn't hard, i must say :) |
| 04:17.47 | scanline | The screenshot section is neat, and I'm assuming that it would be a piece of cake to add multiple categories |
| 04:18.25 | lalo | yes |
| 04:18.26 | scanline | I'd like to be able to show the screenshots at their normal size in addition to zoomed or thumbnailed though... but I couldn't figure out what to edit to do so |
| 04:18.38 | scanline | DevGirl: cool, then I might have a chance of doing things right with it :) |
| 04:18.59 | lalo | well, the current stuff is pretty much borked as Zettai upgraded plone under my feet while I hacked :-) |
| 04:19.11 | scanline | hehe |
| 04:19.32 | lalo | to display the normal size - meaning the size you uploaded - you can use "display=normal" or something similar |
| 04:20.11 | lalo | we can add a link at the appropriate template, that would be photo_view |
| 04:21.42 | scanline | also, the "send to" form using navi.picogui.org as a SMTP server will only work for @navi.picogui.org addresses unless I allow relaying |
| 04:21.42 | lalo | hmm, as I suspected the BubbleBlue iconset matches picogui.org much better |
| 04:22.21 | lalo | I had to ask you about that |
| 04:22.42 | scanline | I'm sure I can get exim set up to allow forwarding only from zettai |
| 04:23.02 | lalo | you can configure the smtp server at the page you get by clicking the "plone setup" link |
| 04:23.21 | scanline | yep, I saw that... not sure what else to use other than navi though |
| 04:25.17 | scanline | Would I set relay_domains to picogui.zettai.net or just zettai.net? |
| 04:25.54 | scanline | hmm |
| 04:26.11 | scanline | looks like the canonical name is alpha.zettai.net |
| 04:30.36 | scanline | ah.. host_accept_relay, not relay_domains |
| 04:31.00 | lalo | I know how it feels |
| 04:31.24 | scanline | ick |
| 04:31.36 | lalo | I have to change something in my exim.conf at the server about once an year, and everytime it's the same routine - learn everything again, find the reference, and do it by trial and error ;-) |
| 04:31.52 | scanline | hehe |
| 04:31.59 | lalo | captain_proton: you poor you. |
| 04:32.09 | captain_proton | or you could just use sendmail ;) |
| 04:32.44 | scanline | lalo: ok, relaying works. I just send a page to my school address |
| 04:32.51 | lalo | captain_proton: not wanting to spoil the joke, but how would that be different? |
| 04:33.40 | scanline | I think sendmail's config file format is so ridiculous you have to consult a guru rather than learning it yourself :) |
| 04:36.21 | lalo | as Nicholas Nigroponte says... the best UI possible is asking someone to do it for you, I suppose |
| 04:37.46 | captain_proton | lalo: because sendmail.cf is simple! |
| 04:38.02 | scanline | whee, comments! |
| 04:38.24 | lalo | is it working reasonably? |
| 04:38.29 | lalo | I mean the comment system |
| 04:38.31 | scanline | well, the color scheme is messed up |
| 04:38.38 | scanline | the comment submission page has black text on a black background |
| 04:38.43 | scanline | but aside from that it works |
| 04:39.28 | scanline | hehe |
| 04:39.33 | lalo | I'm working on the black-on-black |
| 04:39.45 | scanline | no rush |
| 04:39.54 | scanline | I'm quite amused at all the cool features it has so far :) |
| 04:40.06 | lalo | basically I figured the easiest way to cope with the plone upgradewas to undo all my changes then redo them one by one :-P |
| 04:40.22 | scanline | eep |
| 04:41.23 | captain_proton | whoa |
| 04:41.29 | captain_proton | colors messed up on picogui.zettai.net |
| 04:41.47 | scanline | lalo: I'm going to go ahead and stick an "old.picogui.org" in the DNS server, so we can make links to it for things we don't plan to migrate completely yet, like the wiki |
| 04:42.06 | captain_proton | eep? |
| 04:42.08 | lalo | we can have "favourites icon" too if anyone is willing to do some gimping |
| 04:42.13 | captain_proton | COOLER THAN A FLAT TEXT FILE? |
| 04:42.15 | captain_proton | ARE YOU ON CRACK? |
| 04:42.22 | scanline | haha |
| 04:42.29 | scanline | lalo: what size does it need to be? |
| 04:42.30 | lalo | captain_proton: that's exactly what I said I'm working on (messed up colors) :-) |
| 04:42.41 | lalo | 16x16 I think |
| 04:42.49 | scanline | .png good? |
| 04:42.57 | captain_proton | hm |
| 04:43.02 | lalo | if you want it to really be .ico, but it can also be a .png of pretty much arbitrary size |
| 04:43.30 | file[bed] | evilness |
| 04:43.40 | lalo | btw good idea @ old.picogui.org |
| 04:43.55 | file[bed] | night... |
| 04:44.05 | captain_proton | erf |
| 04:44.11 | captain_proton | first i have to re-emerge gimp 1.3 |
| 04:44.16 | scanline | when we do the transition, I'll put up a redirector as the index.html on the sourceforge site, so people that still use pgui.sf.net will redirect |
| 04:44.17 | captain_proton | because 1.2 is icky :) |
| 04:45.45 | captain_proton | scanline: speaking of picogui |
| 04:45.51 | captain_proton | i feel like writing code to do stuff ;) |
| 04:47.03 | scanline | captain_proton: scary... |
| 04:47.14 | scanline | lalo: here's a simple one we could use for now |
| 04:47.29 | captain_proton | scanline: i know! isn't it creepy? |
| 04:47.48 | scanline | http://picogui.org/download/pgicon-simple.png |
| 04:47.52 | scanline | oops |
| 04:48.08 | captain_proton | maybe i'll hack on bzflag...that oughta throw MAC off |
| 04:48.17 | scanline | should work now |
| 04:48.21 | scanline | captain_proton: I demand jetstream! |
| 04:48.25 | captain_proton | :) |
| 04:49.38 | captain_proton | bwahahahah |
| 04:50.15 | gonkulator | captain_proton: why don't you get some caffeine, and start a new project! |
| 04:50.47 | captain_proton | oh, just what i need |
| 04:50.49 | captain_proton | another project |
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| 04:54.47 | scanline | wb DevGirl, lalo |
| 04:55.03 | lalo | *sigh* |
| 04:55.10 | lalo | how can we not love this telecom? |
| 04:57.24 | scanline | whoa... |
| 04:57.30 | scanline | my dad cleaned up my room |
| 04:57.49 | captain_proton | wow |
| 04:57.57 | scanline | and he send pictures :) |
| 04:58.06 | captain_proton | haha |
| 04:58.22 | scanline | s/send/sent/ |
| 04:58.30 | scanline | my parents got a digital camera for christmas |
| 04:58.56 | scanline | hey, this picture has my old attempt at a laser projector |
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| 05:00.06 | gonkulator | scanline: how long until you jack their camera? |
| 05:00.12 | scanline | heh |
| 05:00.21 | scanline | my camera works, sorta |
| 05:00.29 | scanline | and now that I have an AC adaptor, it doesn't eat AAs |
| 05:00.34 | gonkulator | oh, ok |
| 05:06.01 | DevGirl | scanline: are you still cute? :) show me some recent photo? |
| 05:06.16 | DevGirl | photos :) |
| 05:06.28 | scanline | oh no :) |
| 05:06.42 | DevGirl | bah... my english sucks badly :P |
| 05:06.54 | DevGirl | scanline: show me! show me! |
| 05:06.56 | DevGirl | :D |
| 05:06.57 | scanline | The most recent one I have is the one here: http://picogui.org/people/scanline.jpeg |
| 05:07.10 | DevGirl | captain_proton: wow! |
| 05:07.16 | DevGirl | captain_proton: give me some :D |
| 05:07.31 | captain_proton | DevGirl: they're all on navi |
| 05:07.42 | DevGirl | oh |
| 05:07.49 | scanline | lalo: oh, not sure if you got this before your connection died -> http://picogui.org/download/pgicon-simple.png |
| 05:07.54 | DevGirl | but I can't download... |
| 05:08.33 | scanline | captain_proton: I just emailed my Dad about my progress with this Pong game, suggesting that in the next couple weeks (when the samples come in) I should go home to grab some more tools and parts :) |
| 05:08.39 | DevGirl | scanline: can I download navi's stuff by https? |
| 05:08.50 | lalo | I didn't |
| 05:08.56 | scanline | DevGirl: not at the moment.. I can turn that back on, but rsync works much better |
| 05:09.12 | captain_proton | scanline: wow, that's a complicated logo |
| 05:09.45 | scanline | captain_proton: simple in its simplicity, don't you think? |
| 05:09.52 | lalo | scanline: whant to play with uploading it? :-) |
| 05:10.00 | scanline | lalo: sure, how do I do that? |
| 05:10.04 | DevGirl | scanline: I don't have a computer (at this moment) I'm using the company's computer, so I'm afraid of installing stuff here :P |
| 05:10.14 | lalo | go to portal_skins/pg_base, create an object of type "image", give it the id "favicon.ico" |
| 05:10.15 | scanline | DevGirl: ahh |
| 05:10.30 | captain_proton | scanline: what other tools would you grab? |
| 05:10.32 | lalo | (this in the /manage interface I mean) |
| 05:10.57 | scanline | lalo: got it |
| 05:10.59 | DevGirl | scanline: that's why I still DIDN'T watched all Excel saga eps :P |
| 05:11.02 | DevGirl | :( |
| 05:11.24 | scanline | captain_proton: soldering iron, more breadboards, some miscellaneous construction materials like hot glue gun and blank PCBs |
| 05:11.37 | scanline | captain_proton: I still have lots of room here |
| 05:11.42 | scanline | DevGirl: hehe |
| 05:11.48 | scanline | DevGirl: I can set up the https again, just a sec |
| 05:11.49 | DevGirl | captain_proton: why? its so... COOL!!!! |
| 05:11.52 | DevGirl | muawhawuawhawuhawuawh |
| 05:11.55 | lalo | I'm tempted to remove the tree-navigation box |
| 05:12.07 | lalo | DevGirl: I have rsync here |
| 05:12.30 | scanline | lalo: scary, it worked! |
| 05:12.44 | scanline | and it actually looks decent, in galeon at least |
| 05:13.06 | lalo | woot :-) |
| 05:13.13 | gonkulator | lurgyman: mahler 7 is the one where he goes nuts, right? |
| 05:13.30 | DevGirl | lalo and scanline: coooooooooooooooooooooool! |
| 05:13.39 | lalo | not very informative on a black background, of course. |
| 05:13.49 | captain_proton | gonkulator: specifically, the recording we have is, yes |
| 05:13.52 | gonkulator | scanline or lalo: link |
| 05:13.56 | gonkulator | captain_proton: oh, ok |
| 05:14.05 | scanline | gonkulator: zope.picogui.org |
| 05:14.06 | gonkulator | captain_proton: I got my mahler from you, so yes |
| 05:14.07 | captain_proton | symphony no 7: song of the night, aka "what the hell?" |
| 05:14.38 | lalo | that's it, we have too many boxes. |
| 05:14.40 | scanline | DevGirl: https://navi.picogui.org:3000/public.d9e6/media/series/ |
| 05:14.40 | DevGirl | oh, boy... I miss the tetrinet nights... |
| 05:15.07 | DevGirl | scanline: thanks very much! |
| 05:15.15 | gonkulator | scanline: for PicoGUI 2.0, can you change the name "theme" to "motif"? |
| 05:15.26 | scanline | DevGirl: no problem. That link will break at midnight.. just ask and I'll give you a new one |
| 05:15.43 | scanline | gonkulator: no, motif gives people nightmares |
| 05:16.01 | gonkulator | but it isn't a four note theme, it is a four note motif! |
| 05:17.00 | lalo | I'm one of the people who get nightmares from motif |
| 05:17.11 | lalo | DevGirl: no, you have to worship the comic. |
| 05:17.37 | lalo | cya :-) |
| 05:17.51 | DevGirl | scanline: have a nice dinner :D |
| 05:19.31 | DevGirl | GAH! it isn't downloading :( |
| 05:20.48 | DevGirl | oh, boy... I just don't understand windows :P |
| 05:21.22 | gonkulator | DevGirl: nobody does |
| 05:22.56 | lalo | ok, I seem to have fixed the color scheme. |
| 05:24.11 | lalo | now let me check if my unfuckification of cmfphoto still holds |
| 05:24.56 | scanline | wow, it's starting to snow |
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| 05:30.37 | lurgyman | gonkulator: 7 is weird.... 9 and 10 go nuts |
| 05:30.56 | lurgyman | in the third movements, anyway |
| 05:31.54 | lurgyman | it happens in the first minute or two of the third movement of 10... but it's near the end of the third movement of 9, 15 or 20 minutes in |
| 05:34.07 | lurgyman | fg |
| 05:34.10 | lurgyman | heh |
| 05:34.10 | lurgyman | oops |
| 05:34.22 | gonkulator | process manipulation |
| 05:34.38 | lurgyman | doesn't work in irc, for whatever reason... |
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| 05:41.55 | gonkulator | night lurgyman |
| 05:41.58 | gonkulator | later DevGirl |
| 05:42.43 | DevGirl | bye, gonkey |
| 05:42.47 | DevGirl | have nice dreams |
| 05:43.34 | lalo | night gonkulator |
| 05:47.21 | lurgyman | gonkulator: night |
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| 05:47.46 | captain_proton | haha |
| 05:47.53 | captain_proton | lurgyman just almost did a 'sudo etc-update' to irc :) |
| 06:03.21 | lalo | yeah right! :-) |
| 06:05.28 | lalo | now if you access zope via a host of *picogui.org it goes right into plone. |
| 06:06.55 | scanline | what does that mean? :) |
| 06:07.32 | lalo | no more .../site |
| 06:07.50 | scanline | ah, I see :) |
| 06:07.53 | scanline | neato |
| 06:08.02 | lalo | what will go first (top), screenshot or news? |
| 06:08.22 | scanline | hmm |
| 06:08.37 | scanline | maybe it should depend on which was posted more recently? |
| 06:08.51 | scanline | how many news items does the latest news box show? |
| 06:09.04 | scanline | oh |
| 06:09.28 | scanline | the top of the page is feeling rather lonely.. maybe we put some screenshot thumbnails there :) |
| 06:10.22 | scanline | I'd be nice if the screenshots were sorted into categories (PDA, desktop, wacky...) and the latest from each category was displayed |
| 06:10.48 | captain_proton | latest HAMSTER SCREENSHOT! |
| 06:10.54 | lalo | top where? |
| 06:11.02 | scanline | right of the logo |
| 06:11.24 | lalo | all objects have "keywords", it would be easy to make "topic" objects that display screenshots matching given keywords |
| 06:11.37 | lalo | click the "metadata" tab of the screenshot |
| 06:11.52 | lalo | but displaying more than one may be too much clutter |
| 06:12.23 | scanline | well, how about somewhat small thumbnails to the right of the logo, with no description, just a date? |
| 06:12.46 | scanline | not sure where else to put them... it would just clutter up the left column |
| 06:12.50 | lalo | depends on how many we want :-) |
| 06:13.25 | lalo | perhaps just the last X, regardless of category? |
| 06:14.00 | scanline | well, I'd like to keep one of each of a few categories up- so if I'm working on the OpenGL stuff for example, people still will realize it runs on PDAs :) |
| 06:14.56 | captain_proton | <lurgyman> but there are only 7 sharps in a key, and 8 tones in the scale |
| 06:15.04 | lalo | ic. |
| 06:15.41 | lalo | well |
| 06:15.51 | lalo | we need more screenshots to experiment with this :-) |
| 06:15.58 | DevGirl | grumble |
| 06:16.06 | scanline | :) |
| 06:16.44 | lalo | I wonder how much of a pain would be to write a script to upload all our screenshot gallery |
| 06:16.58 | scanline | I was just thinking about that |
| 06:17.07 | scanline | doesn't zope have an easy way to remotely access objects? |
| 06:17.21 | lalo | many :-) |
| 06:17.24 | scanline | neat |
| 06:17.31 | lalo | ftp, webdav and xml-rpc for example |
| 06:17.43 | lalo | but creating new objects is a bit hairy |
| 06:17.48 | scanline | ah |
| 06:18.24 | lalo | I'm afraid if I just ftp them over, they will be instantiated as Image objects instead of Screenshot |
| 06:18.41 | captain_proton | doots? |
| 06:18.44 | scanline | well, we'd also want to preserve descriptions and dates |
| 06:18.59 | lalo | yup |
| 06:19.17 | lalo | and it would be nice if we preserved the info on who uploaded what |
| 06:19.42 | scanline | yep |
| 06:19.44 | lurgyman | GROUP FREE TONE! |
| 06:19.56 | lalo | to "preserve" the date, you just set the "effective date" property in the "state" tab |
| 06:21.55 | lalo | we know who uploaded it by the description text, right? |
| 06:22.21 | scanline | the date and author are encoded in the filename, the description and image filename are in the file itself |
| 06:22.33 | scanline | messy :) |
| 06:24.21 | lalo | yeah, but we'd want to migrate the news too anyway |
| 06:24.42 | scanline | yep |
| 06:25.08 | lalo | author is either lalo, micah or carpman anyway, which makes it easier |
| 06:29.48 | DevGirl | oh, boy |
| 06:31.20 | lalo | I posted one screenshot and one newsitem, and carpman, one screenshot |
| 06:31.40 | lalo | so we could as well just run the batch with your account and then I "take ownership" on the two items I sent |
| 06:31.59 | lalo | that takes away a good part of the complexity, now, hmm. |
| 06:32.11 | scanline | k |
| 06:33.25 | lalo | cool reading. |
| 06:47.20 | captain_proton | ohh my |
| 06:47.28 | captain_proton | dan just used a comma operator out of laziness |
| 06:48.15 | captain_proton | he was trying to use constructor-style base class calls in a non-ctor function, and it didn't work, so he just moved them to the body of the function and put a semicolon at the end :) |
| 06:48.50 | scanline | haha |
| 06:50.46 | captain_proton | and he finished another sub-sub version |
| 06:51.03 | captain_proton | apparently there were no changes in 0.2.4, so the changelog goes from 0.2.3 to 0.2.5 |
| 06:51.05 | scanline | mandolin? |
| 06:51.10 | lurgyman | uh huh |
| 06:51.34 | lurgyman | i think changing that comma to a semicolon deserves another subsubversion |
| 06:52.29 | captain_proton | hahahahahahahaha |
| 06:52.33 | captain_proton | 0.2.6: |
| 06:52.35 | captain_proton | * code cleanup |
| 06:52.45 | scanline | hehe |
| 06:54.29 | lurgyman | ah, the 'torture the computer science teacher' definition: |
| 06:54.43 | lurgyman | class ls : public std::deque<string>, public std::deque<ls> |
| 06:55.10 | scanline | yipes |
| 06:55.24 | captain_proton | scanline: isn't that great? |
| 06:55.31 | captain_proton | this is what happens when you give dan a C++ compiler |
| 06:55.42 | lurgyman | it used to inherit std::string too... i'm not sure what happened to that |
| 06:55.53 | scanline | still baffles me that dan is using C++ to write mandolin... |
| 06:58.23 | captain_proton | oh my |
| 06:58.56 | captain_proton | the "(c) Copyright 2001-2002 Dan Kuester" change to include 2003 in the --help is apparently going to be listed as a "user interface improvement" in the changelog |
| 06:59.11 | scanline | haha |
| 07:00.49 | captain_proton | ohh |
| 07:01.01 | captain_proton | and the fixing of the --help to not include broken options is apparently a security fix |
| 07:01.09 | lurgyman | we' |
| 07:01.12 | captain_proton | its amazing how fast dan can pump out these revisions |
| 07:01.19 | lurgyman | up to 0.2.8 already |
| 07:01.26 | lurgyman | and we were on 0.2.4 15 minutes ago |
| 07:01.42 | lurgyman | wow, have to rename the directory again |
| 07:01.48 | lalo | aaah |
| 07:01.53 | lalo | the ftp format is nice :-) |
| 07:04.11 | scanline | ugh.. the zope introduction book is filled with useless comments |
| 07:07.58 | scanline | or you could write mandolin in about 20 lines of python :) |
| 07:08.12 | lurgyman | or even fewer lines of perl... |
| 07:08.22 | scanline | but then nobody would want to read it |
| 07:08.22 | lurgyman | if i never wanted to look at it again |
| 07:09.38 | scanline | what exactly does mandolin do again? :) |
| 07:09.42 | lurgyman | scanline: you can have a copy of my repackaging daemon if you want, for picogui, to make the project look really busy |
| 07:09.59 | scanline | lurgyman: hmm... |
| 07:10.17 | scanline | after we move the website, sourceforge's activity counter for the project will go way down |
| 07:10.21 | lurgyman | music selector... plays random files from a directory, in groups when necessary (i.e., for multimovement pieces) |
| 07:10.26 | scanline | we could compensate with a daemon that commits to CVS every 5 seconds |
| 07:10.41 | lurgyman | we could rocket ahead of gaim! |
| 07:10.44 | scanline | lurgyman: oh. 3 lines of python |
| 07:11.01 | lurgyman | scanline: yeah, but there are some tricky rules about the directory formatting |
| 07:14.52 | lurgyman | uh oh, big bug... we may have to bump this straight from 0.2.8 to 0.2.10 for this one... |
| 07:16.37 | scanline | Could you send me the script you're using? I'm curious :) |
| 07:18.11 | lalo | not very complex |
| 07:18.23 | lalo | I'm mostly using CMF's cool ftp support |
| 07:18.30 | scanline | ah |
| 07:18.39 | lalo | it can read stuff in rfc822 format |
| 07:18.52 | scanline | hehe |
| 07:19.02 | lalo | then I'm using this to send the Description and Effective_date fields |
| 07:19.06 | scanline | where is the FTP server? |
| 07:19.14 | lalo | port 8021 |
| 07:19.33 | lalo | you have to cd /clients/picogui/ before you have permission to see anything |
| 07:19.53 | scanline | neat |
| 07:22.07 | scanline | shouldn't the news items go into a directory, rather than just in the site's root? |
| 07:22.50 | captain_proton | eek |
| 07:22.55 | captain_proton | my arrow keys stopped functioning |
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| 07:24.39 | scanline | hmm.. and there's a category named "Ppgui-devel] VRCalc and PicoVR3" now |
| 07:25.50 | lalo | this list of categories is just a catalog search for unique values |
| 07:26.02 | lalo | if you remove this category from all objects it ceases to exist |
| 07:26.22 | scanline | err, keyword not category |
| 07:26.26 | scanline | just curious :) |
| 07:26.32 | lalo | we can put them in a directory if you prefer, not hard |
| 07:26.41 | lalo | but let me finish with them first :-) |
| 07:26.45 | scanline | no problem |
| 07:26.51 | scanline | I'm just being a zope newbie :) |
| 07:26.57 | lalo | heh. |
| 07:30.32 | scanline | well, I think I'm going to try to get some sleep now, so I won't be completely dead tomorrow night when gonkulator is back. Be back in a few hours maybe |
| 07:33.01 | lurgyman | night scanline |
| 07:33.23 | lalo | scanline: night |
| 07:58.08 | lurgyman | ooh, more b7 |
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| 08:28.03 | lurgyman | gonked_out: you should be in bed, young man |
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| 09:05.14 | captain_proton | now dan hsa just gone insane |
| 09:05.16 | captain_proton | `ssh google.com` |
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| 12:06.23 | lalo[out] | scanline: news and screenshots are migrated. If I catch you here tonight I have to write a script to change the owner of all those objects en masse, and then we can display the creator in the listings. |
| 12:06.52 | lalo[out] | (but this script would have to be run by you, because you can only *take* ownership, not give it) |
| 12:06.56 | lalo[out] | cya. |
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| 14:23.11 | takkaria | I'm back! |
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| 17:51.45 | scanline | ~spell distributions |
| 17:51.46 | | 'distributions' may be spelled correctly |
| 17:52.08 | takkaria | indeed that is spelt correctly |
| 17:54.57 | scanline | good morning |
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| 18:36.51 | file[laptop] | hi fraggle |
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| 18:47.18 | scanline | Can anyone else here try http://zope.picogui.org/Screenshots please? It's being a little slow for me, but I'm not sure if it's my connection or the server |
| 18:48.42 | file[laptop] | it works for me fine |
| 18:48.45 | file[laptop] | not slow at all |
| 18:48.46 | hikke | 50kB/s and that's the max for me |
| 18:49.20 | scanline | captain_proton: good luck |
| 18:49.31 | scanline | file[laptop], hikke: thanks. guess my campus connection is just getting flaky |
| 19:03.17 | KeyserSoze | how long should the OZ build take? It's been going for around 14 hours. |
| 19:03.29 | KeyserSoze | on an Athlon 1900+, with 384MB of DDR |
| 19:28.54 | scanline | dunno.. I don't think I've ever compiled it with opie enable |
| 19:29.07 | scanline | s/enable/enabled |
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| 19:36.52 | KeyserSoze | should i build pg-sdl in OZ? |
| 19:37.19 | scanline | sure |
| 19:37.26 | KeyserSoze | i think i found the problem. i set the date a few days ago when i swapped processors, and made it february of 2002, instead of 2003. |
| 19:37.31 | KeyserSoze | make got confused. |
| 19:37.38 | scanline | It uses the latest SDL sources AFAIK, plus the rotation patch that's on sourceforge |
| 19:37.49 | scanline | ah :) |
| 19:44.44 | scanline | good morning |
| 19:44.48 | lurgyman | mornin |
| 19:44.57 | lurgyman | haha |
| 19:45.25 | lurgyman | http://bzflag.net:3000/music/De_Meij_Johan/symphony_01_lord_of_the_rings/05_hobbits.mp3 |
| 19:47.30 | lurgyman | damn |
| 19:48.57 | lurgyman | no lamborghini for lurgyman |
| 19:49.19 | KeyserSoze | well, not a new one. |
| 19:49.36 | KeyserSoze | if you've got a hundred grand, you can get a 10 year old lamborghini |
| 19:50.37 | scanline | I might be able to afford a plastic lamborghini |
| 19:50.39 | lurgyman | hmmm... |
| 19:55.25 | lurgyman | what's the syntax for ibot's monetary conversion? |
| 19:55.35 | scanline | hmm |
| 19:55.40 | scanline | ibot: change 52 .ca to .us |
| 19:55.52 | lurgyman | cool |
| 19:56.03 | lurgyman | ibot: change 1850 .uk to .us |
| 19:56.16 | lurgyman | um... |
| 19:56.24 | scanline | ha |
| 19:57.02 | scanline | ibot: change 1850 EUR to USD |
| 19:57.31 | scanline | Is .uk == EUR these days? |
| 19:57.34 | lurgyman | no |
| 19:57.47 | scanline | ibot: change 1850 GBP to USD |
| 19:57.56 | lurgyman | eeeew |
| 19:58.04 | lurgyman | are they insane? i could get a new horn for that much |
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| 20:45.48 | gonkulator | PicoBot: seen scanline |
| 20:45.48 | PicoBot | scanline was last seen on #picogui 48 minutes and 1 seconds ago, saying: ibot: change 1850 GBP to USD [Sun Feb 9 07:04:02 2003] |
| 20:45.48 | ahnkana | hi gonkulator |
| 20:45.54 | gonkulator | hi ahnkana |
| 20:46.16 | scanline | hi gonk |
| 20:46.25 | gonkulator | hi scanline |
| 20:46.37 | scanline | =( |
| 20:46.50 | gonkulator | yeah, I had to clean my basement up instead |
| 20:47.14 | gonkulator | anyway |
| 20:47.28 | gonkulator | ahnkana: sorry I couldn't give you a ride |
| 20:47.40 | ahnkana | s'ok |
| 20:48.42 | ahnkana | g'night gonk{work} |
| 20:48.50 | ahnkana | opps |
| 20:48.56 | ahnkana | g'night gonkulator |
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| 20:55.40 | scanline | wb captain_proton |
| 20:56.26 | ahnkana | captain_proton: hol |
| 20:56.35 | ahnkana | s/hol/hola |
| 20:56.50 | captain_proton | ahnkana: 'lo |
| 21:18.24 | lurgyman | yay! ahnkana! |
| 21:18.29 | lurgyman | people's gettin back! |
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| 21:24.35 | file | mmm |
| 21:31.44 | scanline | typical colorao weather... bright, sunny, and blowing snow |
| 21:32.02 | captain_proton | :) |
| 21:32.21 | scanline | hmmg.. my cup still smells like chai nog! |
| 21:33.17 | captain_proton | coffee is a good idear |
| 21:48.58 | ahnkana | chai nog? |
| 21:49.03 | ahnkana | you guys finally drank that? |
| 21:49.04 | ahnkana | eww |
| 21:49.37 | captain_proton | ahnkana: its actually not as bad as it sounds |
| 21:50.22 | captain_proton | if you have any milk we've got a little bit left ;) |
| 21:50.52 | ahnkana | i do not |
| 21:50.57 | ahnkana | i have orange juice |
| 21:51.04 | ahnkana | bu tme thinks that doesn't work |
| 21:52.24 | scanline | zope is neat, at least from what I've seen so far |
| 21:56.46 | lurgyman | heh... |
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| 22:12.39 | SoopamanGnome2 | hola |
