| 00:02.39 | captain_proton | lurgyman: did you just break b? |
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| 00:30.38 | KeyserSoze | ibot: Have you seen gonkulator? |
| 00:30.40 | | i haven't a clue, KeyserSoze |
| 00:30.47 | KeyserSoze | ibot: seen gonkulator? |
| 00:30.51 | | gonkulator <~brandon@h-66-167-166-205.DNVTCO56.covad.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #picogui, 2h 30m 32s ago, saying: 'scanline: I'll come by after the movie'. |
| 00:31.46 | KeyserSoze | hundreds of megs of what? |
| 00:31.52 | Xentac | Ur-Quan Masters |
| 00:31.59 | KeyserSoze | anime? |
| 00:32.13 | Xentac | Star Control 2 GPLd |
| 00:32.24 | KeyserSoze | a game? |
| 00:32.28 | Xentac | correct |
| 00:32.35 | Xentac | a game... from like 10 years ago |
| 00:32.41 | Xentac | sweet story line |
| 00:32.57 | Xentac | the people who owned it released it under the GPK |
| 00:32.57 | KeyserSoze | wait a minute, they didn't have "hundreds of megs" 10 years ago! |
| 00:32.59 | Xentac | er GPL |
| 00:33.14 | Xentac | hehehe... all the data files are oggs and pngs now |
| 00:33.31 | KeyserSoze | wait a minute, they didn't have oggs and pngs 10 years ago! |
| 00:33.39 | Xentac | and the voices were added later the original game didn't have them |
| 00:33.42 | file | scary |
| 00:35.04 | Xentac | KeyserSoze: nice |
| 00:35.09 | Xentac | uphill both ways... |
| 00:35.11 | Xentac | you know the scary part? |
| 00:35.15 | KeyserSoze | no. |
| 00:35.29 | Xentac | I tell it to the kids that I teach karate to... |
| 00:35.46 | Xentac | "you know... when /I/ got my yellow belt... I remember..." |
| 00:35.56 | Xentac | and things /were/ harder then |
| 00:36.46 | file | :) |
| 00:36.49 | KeyserSoze | you have no one to blame but yourself, if you are easier on your kids than your teachers were on you. |
| 00:37.04 | KeyserSoze | s/your kids/your students |
| 00:37.36 | Xentac | if they get to break boards when they have their white belt, then so be it... I didn't get to till like brown belt... |
| 00:37.44 | Xentac | when I was their age... rebreakable boards didn't even exist! |
| 00:37.52 | file | rebreakable... right |
| 00:38.12 | KeyserSoze | if they boards were stouter, then you wouldn't have to worry about white-belts breaking them. |
| 00:38.42 | Xentac | KeyserSoze: :P |
| 00:38.47 | Xentac | they are rebreakable... |
| 00:38.57 | Xentac | they create this neat two-hinge lock... |
| 00:39.09 | Xentac | that is strong... and yet you can put them back together again |
| 00:39.24 | Xentac | KeyserSoze: we weren't allowed to try when I was that age |
| 00:39.25 | Xentac | they are |
| 00:39.28 | Xentac | they are encouraged |
| 00:39.37 | Xentac | and, virtually anyone can break a board |
| 00:39.41 | Xentac | it's not actually that hard |
| 00:40.15 | KeyserSoze | screw encouragement. it gives people high self esteem. when i was a kid, we had *realistic* self esteem, and we liked it. well, i liked it. some people were sad about it. |
| 00:40.53 | Xentac | KeyserSoze: if only you weren't reading half of what I meant out of what I'm actually saying :P |
| 00:40.58 | Xentac | curmudgeon? |
| 00:41.38 | file | Xentac: that sux |
| 00:41.45 | KeyserSoze | http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=curmudgeon |
| 00:41.46 | Xentac | file: why? |
| 00:41.52 | file | Xentac: I dunno |
| 00:42.12 | Xentac | woohoo |
| 00:43.15 | Xentac | KeyserSoze: unrealistically, eh? |
| 00:43.24 | file | Proud to be Canadian! |
| 00:43.26 | KeyserSoze | yeah, it could stand to be a bit higher. |
| 00:43.45 | Xentac | I once told someone that I wanted to be the best at everything I did.. and if there was someone better, then I was a failure |
| 00:44.46 | Xentac | that was a number of years ago... |
| 00:44.57 | Xentac | I've gotten better since then... |
| 00:45.57 | file | when you were... 16? |
| 00:51.18 | Xentac | file: hmmm... somewhere around there... 16, 17 ish |
| 00:52.35 | KeyserSoze | the 750FX is available up to 1ghz with 200mhz fsb. apple only uses it up to 800mhz, with a 100mhz fsb in the ibook, so it doesn't kick the powerbooks ass. apple wants the "top of the line" to be a G4, and the "low end" to be a G3, even though IBM's 750fx can be more capable than Motorola's 7455 |
| 01:33.04 | file | why don't you? |
| 01:34.17 | Xentac | because I'm stupid? |
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| 01:38.36 | kidder | evening |
| 01:38.47 | Xentac | evening |
| 01:39.10 | kidder | how were classes? |
| 01:39.15 | Xentac | only had one today |
| 01:39.24 | Xentac | the buildings all had lots of hot air being pumped into them |
| 01:39.26 | Xentac | they made me tired |
| 01:39.50 | kidder | fun |
| 01:40.19 | kidder | what are you doin tonight? |
| 01:40.32 | Xentac | karate |
| 01:40.36 | Xentac | (as long as I don't forget...) |
| 01:41.03 | kidder | ah |
| 01:41.41 | kidder | do you know anybody who is good with mac? |
| 01:42.23 | kidder | i was looking at a use powerbook and was wondering if was a good price? |
| 01:42.48 | Xentac | not really... |
| 01:42.51 | Xentac | Owen maybe... |
| 01:43.03 | kidder | hmmmm |
| 02:07.10 | Xentac | http://www.i-mockery.com/minimocks/duckhunt/ <--- dude! |
| 02:07.42 | KeyserSoze | dude, flash? |
| 02:07.48 | KeyserSoze | flash is evil |
| 02:07.49 | Xentac | yeah... but check it out... |
| 02:07.56 | Xentac | ever wanted to kill the dog in duck hunt? |
| 02:08.07 | KeyserSoze | yes, but not enough to install flash |
| 02:08.22 | Xentac | you're not a true child of the nintendo generation then |
| 02:08.48 | KeyserSoze | or deactivated, either |
| 02:12.16 | file | mmm |
| 02:25.04 | Xentac | http://www.i-mockery.com/minimocks/nes/mario-fan.jpg <--- Mario ceiling fan! |
| 02:27.30 | fragglet | painted ceiling fans are kind of pointless surely |
| 02:27.52 | Xentac | fragglet: this was the nintendo mindset though... |
| 02:28.03 | Xentac | Nintendo was like the Acme of... well... video games.. |
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| 02:51.56 | file | night |
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| 05:24.17 | kidder | dose anyone here use mac?? |
| 05:25.06 | Xentac | gonkulator does... but he's not here right now |
| 05:25.17 | kidder | ah ok |
| 05:26.25 | kidder | abby is here and she is going to take a pee |
| 05:26.39 | Xentac | alright... thanks for sharing that with the channel ;o) |
| 05:26.41 | Xentac | oh yeah... gonna call... |
| 05:29.59 | kidder | i guess |
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| 06:01.24 | gonkulator | PicoBot: seen scanline |
| 06:01.24 | PicoBot | scanline was last seen on #picogui 7 hours, 16 minutes and 22 seconds ago, saying: so.. bbl [Mon Jan 6 15:53:22 2003] |
| 06:03.01 | gonkulator | but no wireless was availabler |
| 06:03.45 | Xentac | well, that's silly |
| 06:03.49 | Xentac | did you kismet for it or something? |
| 06:05.07 | *** join/#picogui KeyserSoze (~ksoze@12-245-37-229.client.attbi.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 06:05.11 | gonkulator | Xentac: I know the essid and passkey |
| 06:05.19 | Xentac | ah well... |
| 06:07.23 | KeyserSoze | you guys see this? it's pretty cool stuff: http://www.speedstream.com/products_powerline.html |
| 06:07.59 | KeyserSoze | 14Mb/s, over a houses electrical wiring. |
| 06:08.03 | gonkulator | KeyserSoze: thats dumb |
| 06:08.35 | KeyserSoze | it's an easy way to extend wireless coverage in a huge building. |
| 06:08.52 | KeyserSoze | like, i put one in my cubicle, then i carry one to the cafeteria and plug it in. |
| 06:10.09 | gonkulator | bye bye keysersoze |
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| 06:17.13 | gonkulator | wb KeyserSoze |
| 06:17.21 | KeyserSoze | howdy. |
| 06:17.44 | KeyserSoze | (actually, I was here the whole time. everyone else left and came back :)) |
| 06:18.23 | gonkulator | :) |
| 06:18.26 | gonkulator | netsplits eh? |
| 06:18.40 | KeyserSoze | maybe for you :p |
| 06:18.54 | KeyserSoze | still think they'll be a G4 ibook tomorrow? |
| 06:19.07 | gonkulator | maybe... I don't know |
| 06:19.11 | gonkulator | but I am going to be there to find out |
| 06:19.20 | KeyserSoze | i'd rather see a 1ghz G3, maybe with a 200mhz fsb. |
| 06:19.25 | KeyserSoze | be where? |
| 06:19.34 | gonkulator | KeyserSoze: apple store |
| 06:19.47 | gonkulator | they won't put a 200 mHz FSB on an iBook |
| 06:19.51 | KeyserSoze | oh, i thought you meant macworld, in california. |
| 06:19.53 | Xentac | KeyserSoze: then you can experience the RDF first hand |
| 06:20.11 | gonkulator | we have our own RDF emitter in town |
| 06:20.15 | gonkulator | his name is Dan Ross |
| 06:20.30 | KeyserSoze | gonkulator: i know they won't, but from looking at the specs of the IBM 750FX (the chip in current ibooks), it is available up to 200Mhz fsb, and 1ghz clockspeed. |
| 06:20.47 | gonkulator | yeah |
| 06:21.08 | gonkulator | but the motherboard in the iBooks right now doesn't support anything faster than 100 mHz FSB and 800 mHz core speed |
| 06:21.45 | KeyserSoze | are you sure that isn't just the fastest apple uses it at? |
| 06:23.26 | gonkulator | right |
| 06:23.41 | gonkulator | way back when the original 12" iBook came out, this guy did some overclocking work |
| 06:23.54 | KeyserSoze | Dan Ross? |
| 06:23.55 | gonkulator | and the motherboard stuff maxed out at 800 mHz |
| 06:23.59 | gonkulator | you don't know him |
| 06:24.42 | KeyserSoze | was the original 12" ibook a 750FX? or a motorola G3? |
| 06:25.35 | gonkulator | probably a motorola G3 |
| 06:25.59 | KeyserSoze | nevermind, found it online. it was a 750cx, which i believe is the IBM chip that preceded the 750FX |
| 06:27.46 | KeyserSoze | IBM's website says that the 750cx tops out at 700mhz. but, the 750cx (and any other IBM powerpc, besides the 750fx), is not frequency adjustable via software. that was a new feature of the 750FX. |
| 06:28.46 | gonkulator | hmmm.... |
| 06:28.47 | gonkulator | cool |
| 06:28.56 | gonkulator | that means that my computer is only as fast as it needs to be |
| 06:29.01 | gonkulator | for good power saving goodness |
| 06:31.53 | KeyserSoze | ahah. the 750cx has 256k of L2. the 750fx has 512k of L2. that's the easy way to tell them apart. |
| 06:32.25 | KeyserSoze | what speed is your older ibook, (or how much L2, if you know it) |
| 06:34.15 | gonkulator | the old iBook has 256 L2 |
| 06:34.22 | gonkulator | the new one has 512 |
| 06:35.14 | gonkulator | the old iBook is 500 mHz |
| 06:35.38 | gonkulator | the new one is 800 mHz |
| 06:37.20 | KeyserSoze | the 750fx uses only 3.6w at 800mhz |
| 06:38.31 | KeyserSoze | it's 0.13 micron, and silicon-on-insulator |
| 06:38.49 | gonkulator | is that good |
| 06:38.57 | KeyserSoze | yes on both counts. |
| 06:39.07 | gonkulator | I just noticed that my batteries seemed to last forever |
| 06:39.32 | KeyserSoze | AFAIK, it's the only SOI processor currently available, besides the IBM power4. intel and AMD are both switching to SOI as quickly as they can, but haven't yet. |
| 06:40.07 | gonkulator | hey cool |
| 06:40.18 | gonkulator | that means that I have some nifty new technology in my iBook |
| 06:40.49 | captain_proton | gonkulator: scanline awake? |
| 06:41.02 | gonkulator | captain_proton: I don't think so, but he could b3e |
| 06:41.08 | KeyserSoze | intel and amd are also still at 0.13 micron, AFAIK. |
| 06:41.11 | gonkulator | captain_proton: you could call him on the phone if you need to |
| 06:42.47 | gonkulator | brb |
| 06:57.56 | KeyserSoze | i've been reading IBM's 750FX docs, and i guess this should have been obvious, but there is no way for the cpu itself to change the bus speed (since the system clock is an input to the cpu). the cpu itself can only adjust it's multiplier. |
| 07:00.24 | KeyserSoze | then, /me wants to show it to apple, and shake his fist at them, yelling: "hah!" |
| 07:01.13 | KeyserSoze | is it true that ibooks don't have a fan? or just that they don't have a CPU fan? |
| 07:16.16 | gonkulator | the iBook has a system fan |
| 07:16.20 | gonkulator | but it isn't very loud |
| 07:16.23 | gonkulator | anyway |
| 07:16.33 | KeyserSoze | g'night |
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| 08:12.47 | captain_proton | mornin! |
| 08:13.07 | scanline | I guess gonkulator gave up on visiting me, eh? |
| 08:13.32 | captain_proton | think so |
| 08:14.06 | scanline | oh well, I'll see him in.. 7 hours or so |
| 08:14.38 | captain_proton | heh |
| 08:17.49 | captain_proton | :) |
| 08:21.46 | scanline | wahoo, my ibook keyboard was shipped |
| 08:22.09 | scanline | and I have someone interested in buying the other keyboard for very close to what I paid for it |
| 08:22.20 | captain_proton | buying the broken one? |
| 08:22.42 | scanline | not the broken one, the one I bought that doesn't fit in my ibook |
| 08:25.56 | scanline | yeah, it would be good to have some background music for the demo |
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| 08:40.14 | LoneTech | what did you do now, file? ;P |
| 08:40.17 | scanline | hi LoneTech! |
| 08:40.23 | LoneTech | lo scanline |
| 08:40.46 | LoneTech | are you aware how precisely you described Blender's window management in your mail? |
| 08:41.10 | scanline | nope, I haven't used blender hardly at all yet :) |
| 08:41.42 | scanline | did you mean to send that to me off the mailing list? looks like it would be useful to go to the list too |
| 08:41.46 | LoneTech | well, the only thing you got different was the window swapping. |
| 08:42.01 | LoneTech | oh.. I meant the list, didn't pay attention. sorry |
| 08:42.09 | scanline | no problem |
| 08:42.21 | LoneTech | my connection to the imap server was closed as I wrote that |
| 08:47.22 | LoneTech | it's funny |
| 08:47.34 | LoneTech | Blender's layout system hasn't changed *ever*, as far as I know... |
| 08:47.49 | scanline | hmm |
| 08:48.11 | LoneTech | the "menu bar" in the infowindow, and the tooltips (changed from appearing in the infoheader to being popups), are the new features. |
| 08:48.32 | LoneTech | seems the design wasn't all wrong |
| 08:49.59 | scanline | from what I've heard, people that have learned it really like it generally, while it's very confusing to get started in |
| 08:50.20 | LoneTech | well, it's only confusing if you assume things are like other programs |
| 08:50.47 | LoneTech | just like it's been proven that Linux isn't (necessarily) harder than Windows for someone unfamiliar with computers.. |
| 08:51.09 | LoneTech | the interface blender uses isn't harder to learn than the more common ones of 3dstudio or lightwave |
| 08:51.14 | LoneTech | it just doesn't match. |
| 08:51.15 | njs | scanline: that mail was quite nice, actually; thanks for posting such good ideas. |
| 08:51.24 | scanline | njs: which one? |
| 08:51.33 | scanline | to fresco-devel? |
| 08:51.50 | LoneTech | if it's the one I commented on, I agree.. it helps people understand what I meant when I suggested "like blender" (: |
| 08:51.59 | scanline | :) |
| 08:52.24 | njs | scanline: no, 20030106151730.GC7045@navi.picogui.org to pgui-devel |
| 08:53.03 | njs | scanline: have been for a bit over a month now; ever since I started lurking in here, more-or-less. |
| 08:53.41 | njs | it's the description of how he wants his window management to work on pgui-devel, that you were talking about already |
| 08:53.52 | LoneTech | ah, thanks |
| 08:58.04 | LoneTech | scanline: could you forward the mail I misdirected? I don't have an outbox. |
| 08:58.16 | scanline | sure |
| 08:59.41 | LoneTech | thanks |
| 08:59.53 | scanline | np |
| 09:00.16 | scanline | the pgui-devel server has been a little slow recently |
| 09:00.57 | scanline | wow, 141 |
| 09:01.19 | LoneTech | PicoGUI has 2 features that are missing from Blender's window management.. |
| 09:01.47 | LoneTech | vertical headers/panelbars and the rearranging of the "enlarge" button. but the latter was broken at some point iirc. |
| 09:02.09 | LoneTech | oh, btw.. |
| 09:02.20 | LoneTech | I forgot to mention one feature |
| 09:02.46 | LoneTech | _any_ area in blender can be "fullscreened" with the second button in the header, hotkey ctrl+up/down |
| 09:03.04 | scanline | oh good |
| 09:03.09 | LoneTech | that makes it consume almost all the screen, temporarily covering all but the top infowindow, which is shrunk to just the header. |
| 09:03.23 | scanline | I was planning on adding a fullscreen button to the panel app manager, forgot about that when I made this post |
| 09:03.38 | LoneTech | do we often forget the same things? |
| 09:03.41 | scanline | :) |
| 09:03.59 | LoneTech | *true* fullscreen in blender is achieved differently though |
| 09:04.08 | LoneTech | I usually create one Screen with such a layout for games |
| 09:04.30 | LoneTech | you join areas until there's only one, then hide the header of that one. |
| 09:05.29 | LoneTech | there aren't any borders on the edge areas, only between areas.. but the outmost single pixel is still considered the edge for puposes of splitting and showing the header. |
| 09:06.22 | LoneTech | it's a bit messy to describe, but it's quite a smooth interface to use |
| 09:08.01 | LoneTech | blender's only use of overlap is in popups, like picogui.. they are for menus, tooltips, and some special purpose things like the Numeric window |
| 09:08.19 | LoneTech | the Numeric command can be used to show/change the exact numbers for things |
| 09:08.55 | njs | LoneTech: what does this "header" do? |
| 09:09.07 | LoneTech | one thing the popup things have in common though is that they always close when you move the mouse away. |
| 09:09.20 | njs | LoneTech: giving up the entire edge of the screen to window management seems pretty daft, so I'm curious :-) |
| 09:09.32 | LoneTech | njs: the header is the equivalent of picogui's panelbars and other systems' title bars |
| 09:09.53 | LoneTech | well, in blender, the edge is available for display.. |
| 09:10.01 | captain_proton | scanline: busy kicking Surface's ass? |
| 09:10.07 | LoneTech | it just maps to the split/header popup when right or middle clicking. |
| 09:10.13 | njs | I have to admit with embarassment that I have never used picogui. |
| 09:10.14 | scanline | captain_proton: still.. um.. eating breakfast |
| 09:10.16 | scanline | (root beer) |
| 09:10.27 | LoneTech | hehe |
| 09:10.34 | LoneTech | njs: no problem |
| 09:10.43 | LoneTech | I haven't used it for ages, to my embarrassment. |
| 09:10.49 | scanline | LoneTech: no problem |
| 09:10.51 | scanline | :) |
| 09:11.09 | LoneTech | I just pop in sometimes to annoy people and throw silly ideas around |
| 09:11.19 | scanline | haha |
| 09:11.30 | njs | LoneTech: you really want to stick menus or window switching on the edge, I'd think... |
| 09:11.40 | LoneTech | I have to some extent been involved with things like the touchscreen support, theme engine (not meaningfully tho) and widget templates |
| 09:12.11 | LoneTech | njs: well, in blender, menus are always popup under the cursor.. except for the special code for the infowindow header |
| 09:12.19 | LoneTech | because that one emulates a "menu bar" |
| 09:12.47 | LoneTech | one funny feature of blender is its confirmation popups |
| 09:13.08 | LoneTech | for instance, one says "Quit?" on the first row and "Yes" on the second. Nothing else. |
| 09:13.39 | njs | LoneTech: ah, menus are keyboard activated? |
| 09:14.07 | LoneTech | all menus support hotkeying.. numbers select rows immediately, Enter selects a default (usually same as 1, or confirmation), and Escape or moving the cursor away with the mouse will abort |
| 09:14.19 | LoneTech | most of them can be, yes |
| 09:14.40 | LoneTech | some rely on the pointer though |
| 09:15.00 | LoneTech | like the split/join/header menu. it relies on which edge you clicked and which area you came from. |
| 09:15.56 | LoneTech | others are always keyboard activated, like the Insert Keyframe menu. but it's still context dependent, you get different options depending on the active Area. |
| 09:17.28 | LoneTech | does that answer your question? |
| 09:19.50 | LoneTech | did I scare everyone away? |
| 09:20.06 | LoneTech | there's a *lot* of bass in this rendition of Prayer |
| 09:20.19 | LoneTech | wb scanline |
| 09:20.25 | scanline | hehe |
| 09:20.45 | LoneTech | picogui and blender have a lot in common |
| 09:20.49 | LoneTech | imho |
| 09:21.00 | LoneTech | waah! |
| 09:21.02 | scanline | LoneTech: I'm definitely going to have to learn blender for jestream development |
| 09:21.06 | LoneTech | everyone's leaving me alone |
| 09:21.09 | njs | LoneTech: hmm, okay. I was trying to figure out how menus could always pop up where the mouse is, if they were mouse-activated :-) |
| 09:21.15 | LoneTech | jestream? |
| 09:21.26 | scanline | LoneTech: captain_proton and I are working on a game project |
| 09:21.42 | LoneTech | njs: well, there are two placements for popups: next to a given widget (used for menubuttons), and under the cursor. |
| 09:21.47 | scanline | LoneTech: http://bzbb.homelinux.org/viewforum.php?f=27 |
| 09:21.50 | LoneTech | none of that "center in the screen" silliness |
| 09:21.54 | scanline | LoneTech: http://jetstream.babylonia.flatirons.org/ |
| 09:22.10 | LoneTech | ah, right |
| 09:22.28 | LoneTech | you want to model for it then? |
| 09:22.55 | scanline | I won't be doing the modeling personally, we'll have artists. but I'm sure I'll need to do test modeling, clean up models, and write export scripts |
| 09:23.18 | LoneTech | Blender has a built in game engine and some features developed for such things |
| 09:23.30 | LoneTech | including UV mapping of textures and vertex reduction |
| 09:23.45 | captain_proton | no need for vertex reduction =) |
| 09:23.46 | LoneTech | as well as pre-calculated radiosity into vertexcolours. |
| 09:23.52 | scanline | well, our models are going to be described completely with a high-level Surface object |
| 09:24.02 | LoneTech | ah |
| 09:24.13 | LoneTech | pity Blender's script interface has poor support for those |
| 09:24.14 | scanline | we'll have an in-game modeler for worlds, and probably use blender with NURBS for characters |
| 09:24.25 | LoneTech | it currently has about three types of surface objects. |
| 09:24.43 | scanline | well, the surface objects jetstream uses for the environment will be pretty specialized anyway |
| 09:25.19 | scanline | LoneTech: neat song, who is it by? |
| 09:25.26 | LoneTech | PFM |
| 09:26.11 | LoneTech | italian or something, I think |
| 09:26.28 | scanline | http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?PID=1387976&frm=sh_google |
| 09:26.31 | LoneTech | wasn't that part of the filename? |
| 09:26.47 | scanline | -rw------- 1 micah users 5190897 Jan 7 02:15 03._Per_Un_Amico.mp3 |
| 09:26.58 | scanline | oh, it's in the id3 tags |
| 09:27.34 | LoneTech | oh |
| 09:27.42 | LoneTech | sorry. I seldom pay much attention |
| 09:27.47 | scanline | no problem |
| 09:28.07 | scanline | oh, I forgot to ask... did you have luck finding a job? |
| 09:28.11 | LoneTech | full path was /home/yann/mp3-cd/1/Premiata Forneria Marconi/Per Un Amico/03._Per_Un_Amico.mp3 |
| 09:28.42 | LoneTech | oh, no. I should've mailed the chipslice people again or something, but I've been awfully passive lately |
| 09:28.56 | scanline | ah |
| 09:29.26 | LoneTech | I should get moving.. I've had only a cup of tea today, and I was to meet dad so he could give me some food coupons. |
| 09:30.46 | LoneTech | it's quite OK for a techno/trance/house whatever it's called song. |
| 09:30.54 | scanline | hehe |
| 09:31.11 | LoneTech | my tastes are diverse, but I seldom find much interesting in that category.. or pop. |
| 09:31.36 | LoneTech | and I have *no* clue about category names |
| 09:32.00 | LoneTech | Meditation has lots of drums and bass saturation |
| 09:32.19 | scanline | I always get confused when I visit music stores, since I have no idea what category anything's in :) |
| 09:32.27 | LoneTech | but it does feature at least one break |
| 09:32.39 | LoneTech | I seldom visit music stores |
| 09:32.50 | LoneTech | most recently just to find a disc mom wanted to give her brother |
| 09:33.14 | LoneTech | I did find it.. but then mom made a mistake and wrapped the case, leaving the disc itself in her own player |
| 09:33.23 | scanline | I only went recently with my brother, since he was trying to find a CD as a present for my mom |
| 09:35.06 | LoneTech | this is from the middle of the Ghibli movie Whisper of the heart |
| 09:35.37 | LoneTech | it reminded me how much I miss playing. |
| 09:40.29 | LoneTech | you like PFM? |
| 09:41.20 | scanline | this is the first I've heard of them, but this song is good |
| 09:41.34 | LoneTech | this one's fully instrumental, I think |
| 09:42.02 | LoneTech | Sinner1 sent these tracks to me. I only have a few, but I like them all. |
| 09:42.10 | scanline | cool |
| 09:43.29 | LoneTech | Dove...Quando... is 10 minutes long, unless there are more parts than the two I have. |
| 09:44.02 | LoneTech | I like the mix of styles and instruments.. they're quite good with aucoustic instruments but also use synths |
| 09:44.29 | LoneTech | I use the Blender skin for XMMS, by the way. |
| 09:44.37 | scanline | haha |
| 09:44.50 | LoneTech | it's a quite plain skin based on how Blender looked around version 1.7x, I think |
| 09:45.19 | LoneTech | (Blender has changed colours slightly) |
| 09:51.48 | LoneTech | gone again? |
| 09:53.07 | scanline | just coding |
| 09:54.03 | LoneTech | k |
| 09:54.31 | scanline | thanks for the music |
| 09:54.36 | LoneTech | no problem |
| 09:54.43 | LoneTech | I think I have about 2GB of mp3s around |
| 09:54.57 | scanline | if you want more I could give you a login on navi :) |
| 09:55.08 | scanline | both captain_proton and I have a good bit of music on it |
| 09:55.11 | LoneTech | I don't have much space left.. |
| 09:55.18 | scanline | ah |
| 09:55.19 | LoneTech | got to burn some of these animé series to CD |
| 09:55.28 | LoneTech | and perhaps the SF stuff too. |
| 09:55.47 | LoneTech | thank you very much for Lain and NGE and Excel Saga.. |
| 09:55.56 | scanline | sure thing |
| 09:56.01 | LoneTech | and the Cowboy Bebop episodes |
| 09:56.42 | LoneTech | I have a noticeable amount of Hellsing, Trigun, and Vandread too |
| 09:56.58 | scanline | micah@navi:~$ du -sh /navi/jupiter/muzak |
| 09:56.58 | scanline | 17G /navi/jupiter/muzak |
| 09:57.10 | captain_proton | hmm maybe i do |
| 09:57.16 | LoneTech | (i.e. all of those afaik.. I may be missing an episode of Vandread) |
| 09:57.18 | captain_proton | i think that might be leftovers from when i reinstalled |
| 09:57.25 | LoneTech | oh, and Tokyo Underground. |
| 09:57.38 | scanline | captain_proton: it's ok, I have plenty of free space since I cleanup up my ancient backups |
| 09:57.58 | LoneTech | I'm currently so short on space that Hikaru no Go is spread out on 3 partitions :( |
| 09:58.07 | LoneTech | and I think Full Metal Panic is also spread out |
| 09:58.19 | captain_proton | LoneTech: ooooo i need a lot of hng - my source last year dried up |
| 09:58.36 | LoneTech | sorry, I don't have much of it.. let me check |
| 09:59.06 | njs | http://www.toriyamaworld.com/hikago/ is the link my other addict friend uses |
| 09:59.08 | captain_proton | scanline: its a pretty sucky anime in terms of story but interesting if you play go |
| 09:59.18 | LoneTech | I seem to have episodes 1-5, 7, and 8. |
| 09:59.35 | scanline | captain_proton: only experience I have with go is watching Kevin and Pierre go completely nuts playing each other at go |
| 10:00.05 | njs | (they have chapters #1-145) |
| 10:00.14 | captain_proton | LoneTech: ah, nevermind then :) |
| 10:00.17 | LoneTech | including the Go Go Igo lessons that follow each episode |
| 10:02.38 | LoneTech | I've never played anyone.. only been utterly destroyed by gnugo. |
| 10:03.31 | captain_proton | perhaps next semester i'll try to make a habit of playing dan every day |
| 10:03.57 | LoneTech | my biggest machine, Hydro, is offline currently. I should have some stuff lying around on its system disk. Mimir was in it, but I wanted to access some of that data. |
| 10:04.18 | njs | captain_proton: Ohh. Dan is a person. I spent a few seconds trying to parse that sentence with "dan" as the Japanese word. |
| 10:04.34 | captain_proton | njs: hehe |
| 10:04.48 | scanline | dan == lurgyman |
| 10:04.52 | LoneTech | I'm not that familiar with japanese |
| 10:05.23 | scanline | fractaldan and lurgyman are both Dan, there's Dan Ross a.k.a. iDan, and then there's "what's his nose" |
| 10:05.26 | LoneTech | my brother is named Dàn.. only he insists on the `, but it might help you understand how it's pronounced. |
| 10:05.30 | captain_proton | njs: although it would sorta work - since in japan they have the whole martial-arts-style rating system for go players |
| 10:05.34 | njs | I think it means "stone" -- all the higher rankings are called <n> dan, like a "2 dan professional" |
| 10:05.38 | LoneTech | in swedish, Dan is pronounced differently. |
| 10:06.09 | captain_proton | njs: i'm not sure of the exact meaning, but its not stone |
| 10:06.32 | LoneTech | hmm |
| 10:06.44 | captain_proton | 'dan' is the word used for black-belt ranks in japanese martial arts |
| 10:06.59 | njs | captain_proton: hmm, okay. |
| 10:07.10 | njs | captain_proton: I must just be confused. (Maybe "kyu" does mean stone?) |
| 10:07.19 | LoneTech | perhaps because it's played on a go board in the bsdgames version? |
| 10:07.32 | captain_proton | njs: no, kyu is another rank-type word |
| 10:07.55 | captain_proton | LoneTech: 'moku' means 5, and 'go' is the board |
| 10:08.03 | captain_proton | 5-in-a-row |
| 10:08.09 | LoneTech | thank you |
| 10:08.14 | LoneTech | and Goban is the Igo board. |
| 10:08.25 | njs | captain_proton: well, but the rankings are a number of handicap stones to be used. |
| 10:08.41 | LoneTech | Moku is also what you count the Igo score in, isn't it? |
| 10:08.49 | njs | IIRC "go" is the game, and "goban" means "go board". So you take out your goban when you want to play go. |
| 10:09.07 | captain_proton | njs: they're equivalent to the number of handicap stones (relative between ranks) |
| 10:09.23 | LoneTech | well, Go is what you call the game in english, usually. the japanese name would be Igo, and it's something else in chinese, iirc |
| 10:09.36 | captain_proton | eep i used to remember all this stuff |
| 10:10.05 | LoneTech | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:10.05 | LoneTech | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:10.05 | LoneTech | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:10.05 | LoneTech | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:10.05 | LoneTech | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:10.10 | LoneTech | (gnugo man page) |
| 10:10.52 | LoneTech | and I don't know what "Ing" is |
| 10:13.25 | LoneTech | did everyone just put me on ignore? |
| 10:14.02 | njs | no, I just don't know what Ing is either :-) |
| 10:17.41 | LoneTech | is this toriyamaworld site the full mangas? |
| 10:19.00 | njs | LoneTech: I'd guess so; I don't read HNG myself. |
| 10:19.20 | LoneTech | I'll take a look at these zips |
| 10:19.29 | LoneTech | perhaps it's more stuff that deserves to be DjVued. |
| 10:19.44 | LoneTech | I wrote a silly little script called zip2djvu |
| 10:20.49 | LoneTech | yep, looks like the right kind of stuff |
| 10:21.00 | LoneTech | pity I don't have better scans, but still.. |
| 10:23.50 | LoneTech | 8.8% growth in zip->djvu conversion, tolerable. I prefer reading djvus. |
| 10:29.32 | LoneTech | perhaps I should add some JPEG optimization to my zip2djvu script |
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| 10:33.44 | webdaemon | hi, could someone help me with pgserver/X compilation problem ? |
| 10:34.12 | webdaemon | ./.libs/libpgserver.a(x11_init.o): In function `x11_init': |
| 10:34.12 | webdaemon | /home/olivier/tmp/picogui-0.43/pgserver/video/x11_init.c:127: undefined reference to `XShmQueryVersion' |
| 10:34.12 | webdaemon | ./.libs/libpgserver.a(x11_bitmap.o): In function `x11_internal_bitmap_free': |
| 10:34.12 | webdaemon | /home/olivier/tmp/picogui-0.43/pgserver/video/x11_bitmap.c:116: undefined reference to `XShmDetach' |
| 10:34.17 | LoneTech | sorry.. I must be going |
| 10:34.32 | LoneTech | njs: thanks a lot for the link! |
| 10:35.39 | scanline | webdaemon: I think picogui 0.43 was missing a -lXext linker flag, you'll have to add that on some systems |
| 10:35.54 | webdaemon | ok i'll try |
| 10:36.52 | webdaemon | damned it works |
| 10:37.10 | scanline | :) |
| 10:38.18 | webdaemon | scanline: can i use pgserver/X so as to create a simple windows in which i will run my picogui clients ? |
| 10:39.11 | webdaemon | root@dede:/home/olivier/tmp/picogui-0.43/pgserver# ./pgserver |
| 10:39.12 | webdaemon | Xlib: connection to "localhost:10.0" refused by server |
| 10:39.12 | webdaemon | Xlib: Xssh: Invalid x11 authentication cookie! |
| 10:39.12 | webdaemon | root@dede:/home/olivier/tmp/picogui-0.43/pgserver# |
| 10:39.17 | webdaemon | i'm running ssh |
| 10:39.23 | scanline | sure.. if you run it rootless (the default when using the x11 driver) each app will have it's own X windows, if you run it in monolithic mode (like in the sdlfb driver) there will be one window with all apps |
| 10:39.43 | scanline | webdaemon: well, you probably shouldn't be doing that as root |
| 10:40.12 | webdaemon | scanline: arghh... works again |
| 10:40.19 | webdaemon | i'm ok now . |
| 10:40.21 | webdaemon | thx a lot |
| 10:40.25 | scanline | nop |
| 10:40.26 | scanline | err, np |
| 10:40.42 | webdaemon | scanline: you're picogui developper ? |
| 10:40.56 | scanline | yup |
| 10:41.03 | webdaemon | i'll send you screenshots of PICOGUI running on TV/XBOX |
| 10:41.09 | webdaemon | as soon as i fix my xbox |
| 10:41.09 | scanline | ooh, cool :) |
| 10:41.26 | webdaemon | with framebuffer pgserver |
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| 11:18.42 | webdaemon | scanline: i upgrades libtools, automake & autoconf, and ./autogen.sh goes wrong now ... time to help me ? |
| 11:20.04 | scanline | does ./configure exist anyway? usually the autogen "errors" aren't serious |
| 11:24.04 | webdaemon | mmm... the problem wasn't from autogen , it comes from a ncurses header file while 'make menuconfig' .. it's corrected ... sorry |
| 11:24.50 | scanline | np |
| 11:25.04 | scanline | I know the current build system sucks, it's scheduled for overhaul soon :) |
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| 11:31.18 | LoneTech | silly me.. I intended to leave and got stuck tweaking my zip2djvu script |
| 11:31.24 | scanline | wb LoneTech |
| 11:31.55 | LoneTech | it can now create a single djvu document from multiple zip files and optimizes JPEGs using jpegtran |
| 11:32.15 | LoneTech | the latter modification means the djvu files it creates are now typically _smaller_ than the zip files |
| 11:32.30 | LoneTech | even though the filenames stored are longer. |
| 11:34.09 | LoneTech | case in point: volume 3 of HNG, 19MB in zip files, a single 17MB DjVu file. |
| 11:34.16 | scanline | neat |
| 11:34.26 | LoneTech | and the djvu file can be immediately read |
| 11:34.56 | LoneTech | I think I might be able to convince some web sites to try this out |
| 11:35.17 | LoneTech | are you familiar with the djvu format? |
| 11:35.47 | scanline | nope |
| 11:36.06 | LoneTech | http://djvu.sourceforge.net/ |
| 11:36.32 | scanline | oh, I remember seeing this before |
| 11:36.47 | LoneTech | it was created for archiving scans in a conveniently readable format |
| 11:36.52 | file | hi all |
| 11:37.12 | LoneTech | it also is an efficient replacement for PDF in most cases, even though it doesn't do vector graphics |
| 11:37.20 | LoneTech | lo file |
| 11:38.10 | LoneTech | among djvu's features you find things like the indirect documents, which are split on a page by page basis.. |
| 11:38.21 | LoneTech | quite neat if you want to read a book online and skip a few pages |
| 11:38.57 | LoneTech | my script creates bundled documents, but the CGI program djvuserve does on-the-fly bundled->indirect conversion |
| 11:39.11 | LoneTech | example: http://donkey.dyndns.org/ranma/ |
| 11:39.21 | LoneTech | I'll reconvert those Ranma books sometime |
| 11:39.46 | LoneTech | most of those grew, but perhaps I could get it smaller if I optimized the JPEGs and perhaps activated lossy mono mode. |
| 11:45.19 | njs | the format is cool, though the patent stuff still looks questionable to me |
| 11:45.34 | LoneTech | hm, patent? |
| 11:45.49 | file | soon must go... |
| 11:46.24 | njs | (IIRC they give you a patent grant that applies iff you are working on _that particular_ GPLed implementation of DjVu; nothing else.) |
| 11:47.50 | LoneTech | http://djvu.sourceforge.net/licensing.html |
| 11:47.58 | LoneTech | http://djvu.sourceforge.net/lti-licensing.html |
| 11:48.37 | file | mmm bbl |
| 11:49.41 | LoneTech | seems you're correct, sort of. Personally I consider the patents inapplicable and invalid, but your court may not agree. |
| 11:51.10 | LoneTech | in any case, the DjVuLibre library seems like a sensible implementation to me |
| 11:51.50 | LoneTech | that stuff would be a potential problem if you tried to make an independent djvu implementation, or fork djvulibre. |
| 11:52.07 | njs | no, forking would actually be okay. |
| 11:52.22 | LoneTech | ok. |
| 11:52.23 | njs | if forking wasn't okay, then it _definitely_ wouldn't count as free at _all_. |
| 11:53.03 | LoneTech | I think I might work a bit at djvulibre sometime.. |
| 11:53.13 | LoneTech | for instance, fix up cpaldjvu to support palettized input |
| 11:53.40 | LoneTech | perhaps add support for libraries like imlib to read other things than tiff/jpeg/ppm |
| 11:53.53 | LoneTech | and djvm is broken. |
| 11:54.25 | njs | overall, it's probably not actually that big a deal; there's only one libz, libpng, libjpeg, etc., and everyone just uses them. But supporting an format that can't be independently implemented still makes me a bit queasy. |
| 11:55.00 | LoneTech | well, as long as you have djvulibre, you have the option of converting it to something else if necessary |
| 11:55.34 | LoneTech | and I don't know of another format that does djvu's job nearly as well |
| 11:55.52 | njs | LoneTech: yes, djvu as tech is awesome. |
| 11:56.09 | LoneTech | heck, the only thing close I know is pdf, and while it can do some things djvu doesn't (vector graphics) it's not very good at the rest. |
| 11:56.56 | LoneTech | it's kinda silly that PDF files using fonts are still larger than djvu files using ascii _and_ bitmap renditions |
| 11:57.41 | njs | eh, not _that_ surprising, though. |
| 11:57.57 | njs | compressed PDF with a good compresser should beat out djvu, but not by much. |
| 11:58.45 | LoneTech | do you know of a pdf reader that's fast? |
| 11:59.19 | LoneTech | I only know three pdf readers; ghostscript, xpdf, and acroread. I hit pdf files all the time that one or two of them can't read. |
| 11:59.29 | njs | (thinking about it, I suspect that the reason djvu wins is that PDF doesn't use as good a compressor as it could -- libz doesn't provide the best compression around, and IIRC that's what PDF uses.. But I could be wrong.) |
| 11:59.33 | LoneTech | usually xpdf is fastest, sometimes acroread |
| 11:59.57 | njs | yeah, I'm in the same boat wrt PDF readers... pretty irritating. |
| 12:01.10 | njs | only other PDF reader I'm aware of is MuPDF, and I haven't used it, though I've heard some good thigns about it at a technical level. |
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| 12:12.22 | LoneTech | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:33.47 | LoneTech | I'm hungry |
| 12:33.55 | LoneTech | time to finally leave |
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| 14:14.40 | webdaemon | how can i install the extra_themes and run the pgserver with them ? |
| 14:20.19 | scanline | same way you'd install other themes... use themec to convert the .ths file to a .th, then load that .th file into pgserver |
| 14:24.32 | webdaemon | scanline: it 's so simple, but i didn't find the information on website |
| 14:24.59 | scanline | it should be on the wiki and/or in the pgserver READMEs |
| 14:27.14 | webdaemon | nice ... |
| 14:37.22 | webdaemon | scanline: i can minimize applications , is it possible to iconize them ? |
| 14:37.32 | scanline | not with the panel app manager |
| 14:38.55 | webdaemon | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:39.08 | scanline | uh huh |
| 14:39.13 | webdaemon | are there other yet ? |
| 14:39.36 | scanline | there's a managed_rootless app manager for running inside other window systems, and a 'null' app manager that displays one app fullscreen |
| 14:40.01 | scanline | I have a blender-like app manager planned, and I'm sure at some point somebody will write one that does a traditional desktop |
| 14:46.00 | scanline | If you're on the pgui-devel mailing list, we just had a thread on that :) |
| 14:46.37 | flexo | hm |
| 14:47.05 | flexo | i wanna have overlapping windows with root. ;) |
| 14:48.02 | scanline | so use direcfb, use X, or wait for the S2 engine :) |
| 14:48.20 | flexo | directfb sux |
| 14:48.23 | flexo | X sux |
| 14:48.29 | scanline | clarify |
| 14:48.32 | flexo | *sigh* |
| 14:48.34 | flexo | hm? |
| 14:48.45 | webdaemon | scanline: not yet on the mailing list, i'm testing picogui to see if i use it on my mini-itx multimedia system |
| 14:48.45 | scanline | what's wrong with directfb or X? |
| 14:48.51 | flexo | i wanna have dropshadows and transparent cursors -> X sux |
| 14:49.00 | flexo | directfb always crashes my system |
| 14:49.05 | flexo | i know i should blame nvidia |
| 14:49.07 | flexo | sux tho |
| 14:49.15 | scanline | ppfft |
| 14:49.26 | scanline | if directfb doesn't work on your system, that doesn't mean it "sux" |
| 14:49.33 | flexo | :) |
| 14:49.40 | scanline | and that's a lousy reason to dislike X |
| 14:49.41 | webdaemon | works well on Microsoft XBOX ;-) |
| 14:49.51 | flexo | scanline: but it is a reason ;) |
| 14:50.03 | flexo | i also want transparent xterminals |
| 14:50.08 | flexo | or whatever-terminals |
| 14:50.29 | scanline | X will have transparency soon... just wanting more eye candy isn't a reason to completely throw away an existing usable system |
| 14:50.46 | flexo | the missing of backbuffering sux also |
| 14:50.52 | webdaemon | scanline: would it be possible to port dix players ? as they direct draw ? |
| 14:51.13 | flexo | and having 23 zillions different themed toolkits sux |
| 14:51.17 | flexo | and i think bluecurve is ugly |
| 14:51.28 | scanline | webdaemon: there's already shared memory images that work well enough to run SDL games.. YUV overlays for media players wouldn't be hard to do |
| 14:51.33 | flexo | and x isnt gpl ;) |
| 14:51.37 | flexo | xfree i mean |
| 14:51.45 | flexo | so its evil in general |
| 14:51.57 | flexo | (you know, rms is everywhere and knows everything) |
| 14:52.05 | scanline | flexo: all lousy reasons to dislike X. If you don't like having a billion toolkits, pretend all but one of them doesn't exist. If you dont like bluecurve, pick something else |
| 14:52.30 | flexo | lalalala |
| 14:52.34 | flexo | ok |
| 14:52.36 | flexo | another one |
| 14:52.39 | webdaemon | xfree is too resources consuming for embedded systems ... that's my main reason |
| 14:52.47 | flexo | opaque window moving is fscking slow and flickering |
| 14:52.53 | scanline | webdaemon: nah, there's TinyX |
| 14:53.06 | scanline | flexo: it shouldn't be, that's a problem with the drivers you have installed |
| 14:53.15 | flexo | scanline: i really dont think so |
| 14:53.29 | flexo | i tried it on a ati rage, nvidia gf2, sis... it *always* flickers |
| 14:53.41 | scanline | opaque window *moving* has worked great in X for a long time |
| 14:53.46 | scanline | resizing is another matter |
| 14:53.48 | flexo | not for me |
| 14:54.45 | flexo | ok, the hyper reason: x11 is old and should be replaced by a new thing. |
| 14:55.29 | flexo | hmm |
| 15:00.48 | flexo | what about... the borders of X eyes are not anti aliased? |
| 15:15.16 | Xentac | hey merlin262 |
| 15:15.28 | merlin262 | Yet Another X Debate |
| 15:15.30 | merlin262 | blehhhh |
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| 15:15.44 | Xentac | hehehe |
| 15:16.02 | merlin262 | My reason for hating X: the developers don't seem to give 2 craps what users want. |
| 15:16.20 | merlin262 | Xentac: when does school start for you Xentac? |
| 15:16.30 | Xentac | hehehe, I'd say hating the community is a good reason... |
| 15:16.35 | Xentac | first class today is 9:30 |
| 15:16.39 | Xentac | it's 7:30 now |
| 15:16.44 | merlin262 | uggghh |
| 15:16.53 | Xentac | so... you do the math ;o) |
| 15:16.54 | Xentac | it's not that bad |
| 15:17.17 | Xentac | hehehe. no doubt |
| 15:17.25 | Xentac | bwahahaha foxtrot kicks ass |
| 15:17.30 | Xentac | http://www.ucomics.com/foxtrot/ |
| 15:17.33 | merlin262 | I'm taking 17 Credit hours this semester |
| 15:17.47 | merlin262 | so, I'm going to be very busy |
| 15:18.13 | Xentac | I take 5 courses a semester... that's a regular course load... |
| 15:18.19 | Xentac | generally I do 4 though... much easier |
| 15:18.58 | Xentac | my labs are combined directly with my courses (you only count courses...) |
| 15:19.18 | merlin262 | ahhh |
| 15:19.57 | merlin262 | anyway, for you Xentac 3 credit hours = 1 course |
| 15:20.13 | Xentac | oh, ok |
| 15:20.14 | merlin262 | a three credit hour course lasts for 3 hours a week |
| 15:20.29 | merlin262 | eg: Monday, Wednesday, Friday, 8:00-9:00 |
| 15:20.52 | Xentac | we just use credits for courses 1.5 credits is a course, lab, tutuorial, or not |
| 15:21.10 | Xentac | so... 17 credit hours means that, in a week, you will be in classes for 17 hours |
| 15:21.11 | merlin262 | Xentac: where you live? |
| 15:21.17 | Xentac | Victoria, BC, Canada |
| 15:21.20 | Xentac | I go to UVic |
| 15:21.35 | merlin262 | credit hours are pretty much standard here in the states. |
| 15:21.57 | merlin262 | close enuff |
| 15:21.58 | merlin262 | =P |
| 15:22.04 | merlin262 | All the World is the US. |
| 15:22.12 | Xentac | :P |
| 15:27.26 | merlin262 | Xentac: what courses are you taking? |
| 15:28.00 | Xentac | programming languages, compilers, foundations of computer science, introduction to business decision making, and leadership methods in recreation |
| 15:28.17 | merlin262 | compilers? get to build a compiler? |
| 15:28.29 | merlin262 | and foundations of computer science at the same time? |
| 15:28.35 | merlin262 | is that an introductory programming class? |
| 15:28.38 | Xentac | yeah, for simple languages... |
| 15:29.07 | merlin262 | kewl |
| 15:29.09 | Xentac | no... it's an introduction to turing machines, FSAs, and push down FSAs |
| 15:29.15 | Xentac | http://www.csc.uvic.ca/~csc320/ <-- foundations |
| 15:29.46 | Xentac | regular languages, context-free languages, recursive languages... |
| 15:29.54 | Xentac | anyway... I have to go get some breakfast |
| 15:29.57 | merlin262 | Nifty. |
| 15:31.11 | merlin262 | Physics, Art, Processor Design, Prob + Stat, Advanced Discrete Mathmatics. |
| 15:31.48 | merlin262 | Processor design you get to do nifty stuff like build a processor. |
| 15:31.49 | merlin262 | =D |
| 15:31.53 | merlin262 | s/build/design/ |
| 15:40.18 | flexo | .oO( i didnt know u design processors when designing processors :o) |
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| 15:48.07 | Xentac | merlin262: yeah... but that's csc 355... and we don't actually build them... just design them... |
| 16:01.59 | merlin262 | bah, how boring! |
| 16:02.05 | merlin262 | =P |
| 16:03.15 | Xentac | yes, quite |
| 16:30.41 | *** join/#picogui gonkulator (~brandon@17.255.240.122) |
| 17:00.15 | *** join/#picogui kidder (~s@h24-65-171-188.gv.shawcable.net) |
| 17:00.27 | gonkulator | hi kidder |
| 17:00.36 | gonkulator | PicoBot: seen captain_proton |
| 17:00.37 | PicoBot | captain_proton was last seen on #picogui 6 hours, 51 minutes and 2 seconds ago, saying: eep i used to remember all this stuff [Tue Jan 7 03:17:57 2003] |
| 17:00.44 | kidder | hello |
| 17:00.58 | kidder | you use mac right? |
| 17:01.15 | gonkulator | kidder: indeed |
| 17:01.55 | kidder | i'm looking at a g3 pismo powerbook for 1100 is that a good price? |
| 17:02.13 | gonkulator | kidder: not really |
| 17:02.24 | gonkulator | kidder: you can get a brand new iBook for 100 less |
| 17:02.25 | kidder | canadian |
| 17:02.53 | gonkulator | PicoBot: change 1100 .ca to .us |
| 17:02.55 | PicoBot | gonkulator: 705.350 Dollar (CAD) makes 1 United States Dollar (USD) (as of 1,100.00) |
| 17:03.00 | gonkulator | hmm... |
| 17:03.03 | gonkulator | thats not bad |
| 17:03.28 | kidder | is the pism a good machine? |
| 17:06.05 | gonkulator | kidder: its ok |
| 17:06.15 | gonkulator | PicoBot: change 1000 .us to .ca |
| 17:06.17 | PicoBot | gonkulator: 1,559.53 United States Dollar (USD) makes 1 Dollar (CAD) (as of 1,000.00) |
| 17:06.30 | gonkulator | PicoBot: change 1300 .us to .ca |
| 17:06.32 | PicoBot | gonkulator: 2,027.39 United States Dollar (USD) makes 1 Dollar (CAD) (as of 1,300.00) |
| 17:07.07 | gonkulator | I would spend the more money and get the more performance if possible |
| 17:07.49 | kidder | What is a better machine?? other than the g4 can't aford that |
| 17:08.09 | gonkulator | the iBook :) |
| 17:08.12 | kidder | and i'll be a first time mac user |
| 17:08.30 | gonkulator | OS X is brain dead simple to learn |
| 17:09.02 | gonkulator | but it is still flexable and easy to use |
| 17:09.04 | kidder | cool i am a photographer and plan to run photoshop 7 |
| 17:09.30 | Talez | [01:10:16] <PicoBot> gonkulator: 705.350 Dollar (CAD) makes 1 United States Dollar (USD) (as of 1,100.00) <-- hahahaha... someone should put that as the topic |
| 17:09.34 | gonkulator | photoshop 7 runs good |
| 17:09.55 | kidder | cool |
| 17:10.15 | kidder | well thanks for the info |
| 17:10.23 | gonkulator | yeah |
| 17:10.32 | gonkulator | an 800 mHz G3 is a lot better than the pismo |
| 17:29.40 | *** join/#picogui carpman{mayuka} (~djackson@dsl081-122-066.dfw1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 17:29.46 | carpman{mayuka} | hey all |
| 17:29.49 | carpman{mayuka} | PicoBot: seen gonkulator |
| 17:29.50 | PicoBot | gonkulator was last seen on #picogui 16 minutes and 8 seconds ago, saying: pukes [Tue Jan 7 10:22:04 2003] |
| 17:42.59 | *** join/#picogui gonkulator (~brandon@17.255.240.122) |
| 17:43.06 | gonkulator | oops |
| 18:03.13 | *** join/#picogui lurgyman (~dkuester@grison.Colorado.EDU) |
| 18:04.12 | gonkulator | hi lurgyman |
| 18:04.16 | gonkulator | lurgyman: scanline is here |
| 18:04.19 | gonkulator | just a sec |
| 18:04.48 | scan[plasma] | moo |
| 18:05.15 | scan[plasma] | iBored |
| 18:14.16 | *** join/#picogui carpman{mayuka} (~djackson@dsl081-122-066.dfw1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 18:16.00 | lurgyman | gonkulator: good morning |
| 18:16.06 | lurgyman | scan[plasma]: good morning |
| 18:19.58 | gonkulator | hi lurgyman |
| 18:20.44 | lurgyman | * awake |
| 18:20.56 | lurgyman | scanline: good morning |
| 18:21.05 | lurgyman | captain_proton: good evening (when you wake up) |
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| 18:51.23 | *** join/#picogui Talez (tally@203.30.45.146) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:51.23 | *** join/#picogui KeyserSoze (~ksoze@12-245-37-229.client.attbi.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:51.23 | *** join/#picogui Talz (tally@d3t4.arach.net.au) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:51.23 | gonkulator | hi KeyserSoze |
| 18:52.01 | gonkulator | KeyserSoze: apple seems to have released a few new things that are pretty cool |
| 19:10.52 | *** join/#picogui lurgyman (~dkuester@grison.Colorado.EDU) |
| 19:11.13 | lurgyman | scanline: how goes surfaces? |
| 19:56.52 | *** join/#picogui file (jwired@mctn1-1326.nb.aliant.net) |
| 19:59.23 | carpman{mayuka} | hail file |
| 20:01.20 | file | hi carpman |
| 20:01.37 | file | stupid cellular provider, they haven't e-mailed me back with the gateway IP address for WAP |
| 20:08.47 | lurgyman | stupid weather |
| 20:09.11 | file | lurgyman: ooh - nice weather |
| 20:09.41 | lurgyman | sunny and - |
| 20:09.43 | lurgyman | BROWN!!!! |
| 20:33.00 | file | wb lalo |
| 20:33.12 | lalo | hi file |
| 20:34.46 | file | what's up? |
| 20:35.06 | lalo | work :-) |
| 20:35.09 | lalo | lotsa work |
| 20:40.01 | *** join/#picogui lurgyman (~dkuester@grison.Colorado.EDU) |
| 20:41.26 | lurgyman | hmmm... i think i killed babylonia |
| 20:43.59 | lurgyman | "Silicon Graphics Inc.'s (SGI's) new Altix 3000 machines are penguins on steroids, combining the Linux operating system with Intel Corp.'s Itanium 2 processor into a server that can scale up to 64 processors." |
| 20:46.20 | scanline | eep |
| 20:46.25 | *** join/#picogui LoneTech (yann@h234n2fls34o808.telia.com) |
| 20:46.26 | scanline | babylonia dead? |
| 20:46.37 | lurgyman | scanline: i think it's up, but the network didn't start |
| 20:46.53 | scanline | yipes |
| 20:46.53 | scanline | hi LoneTech |
| 20:47.29 | lurgyman | or /etc/init.d/net.eth0 start |
| 20:47.59 | file | lurgyman: you babylonia killer!!! |
| 20:48.27 | LoneTech | lo |
| 20:48.48 | LoneTech | net.eth0? which distro is that? |
| 20:48.56 | carpman{mayuka} | LoneTech: gentoo |
| 20:49.03 | LoneTech | thanks |
| 20:49.20 | LoneTech | still haven't run gentoo. I'd probably get along with it, but I'm comfortable with debian. |
| 20:49.21 | lurgyman | gentoo is happy |
| 20:49.26 | lurgyman | except when it isn't |
| 20:49.51 | scanline | hi carpman{mayuka} |
| 20:49.55 | carpman{mayuka} | hey scanline |
| 20:50.07 | carpman{mayuka} | scanline: there is a python interface to evas now. |
| 20:50.17 | scanline | :) |
| 20:50.50 | carpman{mayuka} | scanline: how goes jet*? |
| 20:50.59 | scanline | almost got Surface working |
| 20:51.10 | scanline | we're putting updates on bzbb.homelinix.org |
| 20:51.47 | lurgyman | linix = linux + irix |
| 20:54.57 | *** join/#picogui prpplague (~JoeBob1@12.148.134.9) |
| 20:55.38 | carpman{mayuka} | X 4.2.99 is awesome on my new Radeon 9000 |
| 20:55.41 | *** join/#picogui gonkulator (~brandon@12-252-164-11.client.attbi.com) |
| 20:55.45 | gonkulator | PicoBot: seen carpman{mayuka} |
| 20:55.46 | PicoBot | carpman{mayuka} was last seen on #picogui 7 seconds ago, saying: X 4.2.99 is awesome on my new Radeon 9000 [Tue Jan 7 14:04:02 2003] |
| 20:55.49 | carpman{mayuka} | glxgears gets me 1600 frames/sec |
| 20:55.53 | gonkulator | hi carpman{mayuka} |
| 20:55.57 | carpman{mayuka} | hey gonkulator |
| 20:56.09 | gonkulator | carpman{mayuka}: you are still away |
| 20:56.23 | carpman{mayuka} | hehe |
| 20:57.06 | carpman{mayuka} | gonkulator: its the RDF emenating from the new 17" tiBook |
| 20:57.34 | gonkulator | carpman{mayuka}: your email |
| 20:57.41 | gonkulator | the stuff at apple is nothing |
| 20:57.51 | scanline | hi gonkulator |
| 20:57.55 | gonkulator | hi scanline |
| 20:59.13 | scanline | gonkulator: looks like apple's XFree86 package uses aqua window borders |
| 21:00.23 | scanline | ooh... and it finally supports OpenGL direct rendering |
| 21:02.46 | scanline | bleh |
| 21:09.31 | lurgyman | uh oh, blue wave curve moment has become interrupted |
| 21:10.20 | captain_proton | lurgyman: oh no |
| 21:11.22 | gonkulator | hi lalo |
| 21:12.04 | gonkulator | well... if Safari were tabbed, it would rock Chimera... |
| 21:12.14 | gonkulator | but as it is, Chimera kicks Safari's ass |
| 21:12.30 | file | chimera? my machine? |
| 21:12.35 | file | ;) |
| 21:12.36 | gonkulator | file: web browser |
| 21:12.44 | file | I know |
| 21:13.07 | file | anonyman told me during break, he was monitoring the speech during his graphic design class |
| 21:13.08 | carpman{mayuka} | gonkulator: safari is still beta |
| 21:13.18 | lurgyman | captain_proton: good morning |
| 21:13.25 | scanline | carpman{mayuka}: so is chimera |
| 21:13.45 | captain_proton | lurgyman: hmm, face a la mer is by far the bestest vertes song of the ones i have |
| 21:14.47 | lurgyman | captain_proton: very possibly wrong file name... |
| 21:15.09 | lurgyman | captain_proton: i've alway's liked sous le soleil do bodega, but... who knows? |
| 21:15.31 | gonkulator | scanline: I think it is time for something |
| 21:15.41 | scanline | heh |
| 21:16.03 | carpman{mayuka} | Every time I listen to VNVNation, I think of A-Kon. |
| 21:16.28 | carpman{mayuka} | Damn, I want A-Kon NOW. |
| 21:16.29 | scanline | I think I'll take a short nap :P |
| 21:17.30 | gonkulator | scanline: you take a short nap, and you risk waking up from XP (extreme poking) |
| 21:17.42 | scanline | go the hell away :P |
| 21:17.47 | carpman{mayuka} | hehe |
| 21:18.47 | gonkulator | carpman{mayuka}: that is a good thing to note |
| 21:18.54 | gonkulator | carpman{mayuka}: but it lacks tabs |
| 21:19.02 | gonkulator | and tabs are the most coolest thing in web browsers |
| 21:20.23 | lurgyman | Every time i listen to John Williams, I think of Mahler. |
| 21:24.22 | gonkulator | captain_proton: are you trying to tuna your stomach? |
| 21:24.24 | lalo | scanline: have a nice nap, see you in April |
| 21:24.35 | captain_proton | chikin of the sea |
| 21:24.39 | file | gah |
| 21:24.40 | gonkulator | lalo: scanline isn't going to sleep with me around |
| 21:24.47 | scanline | ha |
| 21:25.14 | scanline | well there's that, plus I think I'm still plenty akake enough for Surface hacking... but another car ride and I'll be out |
| 21:25.41 | carpman{mayuka} | lalo: how is the baby doing? I haven't been in the chat room much lately. :) |
| 21:26.46 | gonkulator | scanline: lets go visit our DCHS Teachers! |
| 21:26.51 | scanline | gonkulator: no |
| 21:27.02 | gonkulator | you can code in the car! |
| 21:27.07 | scanline | I'll fall asleep |
| 21:27.11 | lurgyman | scanline: no more car rides! surface!!! |
| 21:27.36 | scanline | and I have two new theories on this surface bug... need to test them |
| 21:27.48 | lalo | carpman{mayuka}: thanks for asking, she's great |
| 21:27.53 | lalo | we took her to see TTT today |
| 21:27.56 | captain_proton | theory number A: aliens |
| 21:28.01 | lalo | she hated Gollum |
| 21:28.51 | scanline | captain_proton: exactly |
| 21:29.10 | lalo | theory number B: Bliens |
| 21:29.14 | lurgyman | captain_proton: babylonia's still dead :( |
| 21:29.16 | scanline | :) |
| 21:29.21 | gonkulator | lurgyman: it is not |
| 21:29.22 | lalo | theory number C: Cliens |
| 21:29.34 | captain_proton | lurgyman: what happened? |
| 21:29.45 | carpman{mayuka} | theory number F-: see me after class. |
| 21:29.50 | lurgyman | captain_proton: apparently, network didn't come back up when it rebooted |
| 21:30.13 | lurgyman | captain_proton: hopefully, someone knows how to remedy that who's actually there... |
| 21:30.24 | lalo | me am hungry |
| 21:30.43 | captain_proton | lurgyman: judging from chris' emails, i'd doubt it |
| 21:30.43 | captain_proton | :P |
| 21:30.58 | lurgyman | :-p |
| 21:32.02 | lurgyman | yay! |
| 21:32.15 | gonkulator | scanline: do you have a picture on your screen? |
| 21:32.30 | lurgyman | eek! |
| 21:32.33 | scanline | yes, a 1600x1200 picture |
| 21:33.05 | carpman{mayuka} | sphiangle. |
| 21:33.22 | lurgyman | suddenly, there's another Kuester on campus |
| 21:33.27 | lurgyman | and it's not my dad |
| 21:34.08 | lurgyman | "Michele Kuester" |
| 21:34.13 | lurgyman | graduate student in astrophysics |
| 21:34.14 | lurgyman | hmm |
| 21:36.07 | file | AHA |
| 21:36.11 | file | my cellular provider e-mailed me back |
| 21:36.29 | lurgyman | quick! trace it! hack into their mail server! |
| 21:36.44 | scanline | trace it before they hang up |
| 21:36.55 | lurgyman | heh |
| 21:37.01 | file | :) |
| 21:37.12 | lurgyman | all mail servers should be on dialup |
| 21:37.56 | KeyserSoze | gonkulator: still here? |
| 21:38.06 | gonkulator | KeyserSoze: I dunno, you? |
| 21:38.19 | KeyserSoze | what'd apple come out with, besides the 12 and 17" powerbooks? |
| 21:38.29 | scanline | a bunch of crappy software :) |
| 21:38.40 | KeyserSoze | bah, who wants software from apple? |
| 21:38.55 | scanline | who knows |
| 21:40.25 | KeyserSoze | lurgyman: what kernel? i've been using 3.2 with 2.4.19, and haven't had any problems. |
| 21:44.37 | lurgyman | KeyserSoze: for most people there aren't problems... |
| 21:44.45 | gonkulator | later everyone |
| 21:44.52 | lurgyman | gonkulator: be seeing you |
| 21:44.58 | scanline | bye gonkulator |
| 21:45.10 | KeyserSoze | lurgyman: what motherboard are you using? |
| 21:45.23 | lurgyman | that's the issue... MSI 645 |
| 21:45.30 | lurgyman | the chipset isn't happy with 3.2 |
| 21:45.32 | lurgyman | (i think) |
| 21:46.44 | captain_proton | PicoBot: emulate lurgyman |
| 21:46.45 | PicoBot | captain_proton: sorry... |
| 21:46.50 | captain_proton | *gasp* |
| 21:47.38 | scanline | PicoBot: emulate lurgyman is <action> sticks a muffin in his ear and a cardboard sock on his trombone |
| 21:47.39 | PicoBot | OK, scanline. |
| 21:48.22 | lurgyman | PicoBot: don't emulate lurgyman |
| 21:48.23 | PicoBot | lurgyman: what? |
| 21:48.24 | lurgyman | good |
| 21:49.04 | lurgyman | er, * the chipset's -driver- isn't happy with 3.2 |
| 21:49.24 | KeyserSoze | yes, that makes more sence |
| 21:49.33 | KeyserSoze | s/sence/sense |
| 21:53.24 | lurgyman | maybe i should install gcc 3.0 as well |
| 21:53.31 | lurgyman | and 1.0 |
| 21:53.52 | captain_proton | w00t~! |
| 21:54.18 | captain_proton | scanline: guesser what |
| 21:55.11 | lurgyman | 13MUFFINS! |
| 21:55.32 | file | BAGELS |
| 21:55.53 | lurgyman | green chile with chocolate syrup and bagel juice! |
| 21:56.23 | lurgyman | so long as we're on track |
| 21:59.22 | lurgyman | captain_proton: what what what? |
| 22:00.30 | lurgyman | yay! |
| 22:00.53 | lurgyman | which is slightly less exciting, unfortunately... |
| 22:02.29 | lurgyman | hmm, ucsu has a bad RSA key... |
| 22:02.31 | lurgyman | oh well |
| 22:08.53 | captain_proton | lurgyman: onyx2 > grison |
| 22:09.19 | lurgyman | :) i know |
| 22:09.59 | lurgyman | captain_proton: order us a new SGI Altix 3000 |
| 22:10.08 | lurgyman | and 64 itanium2's |
| 22:10.31 | lurgyman | i think that's better than any cluster we'd have space to build |
| 22:13.54 | captain_proton | lurgyman: you can do more than 64 in a cluster you just have to run multiple system images across them |
| 22:14.12 | captain_proton | the thing about sgi supercomputer hardware: you can provision portions of it into 'virtual' machines |
| 22:14.23 | *** join/#picogui kidder (~s@h24-65-171-188.gv.shawcable.net) |
| 22:14.49 | lurgyman | captain_proton: but the issue is that -we- won't have the resources for 64 in a cluster |
| 22:15.05 | lurgyman | ...and of course we do have the resources for a supercomputer |
| 22:15.10 | lurgyman | yay for free power! |
| 22:15.43 | *** join/#picogui gonkulator (~brandon@h-69-3-122-70.DNVTCO56.covad.net) |
| 22:16.17 | gonkulator | PicoBot: seen scanline |
| 22:16.17 | PicoBot | scanline was last seen on #picogui 28 minutes and 38 seconds ago, saying: PicoBot: emulate lurgyman is <action> sticks a muffin in his ear and a cardboard sock on his trombone [Tue Jan 7 14:56:03 2003] |
| 22:16.33 | file | hi gonkulator |
| 22:16.36 | gonkulator | hi file |
| 22:16.39 | lurgyman | hi file |
| 22:16.41 | lurgyman | hi gonkulator |
| 22:16.42 | file | how are you? |
| 22:16.44 | gonkulator | hi lurgyman |
| 22:16.44 | lurgyman | hi PicoBot |
| 22:16.51 | gonkulator | hi PicoBot |
| 22:16.53 | gonkulator | hi scanline |
| 22:16.56 | gonkulator | hi carpman{mayuka} |
| 22:16.58 | gonkulator | hi captain_proton |
| 22:17.06 | lurgyman | PicoBot: hi |
| 22:17.07 | PicoBot | que tal, lurgyman |
| 22:17.09 | lurgyman | muffins |
| 22:17.12 | lurgyman | hi Xentac |
| 22:17.16 | gonkulator | hi prpplague |
| 22:17.21 | gonkulator | hi LoneTech |
| 22:17.22 | lurgyman | hi scanline |
| 22:17.26 | gonkulator | hi scanline |
| 22:17.26 | lurgyman | hi njs |
| 22:17.27 | gonkulator | hi scanline |
| 22:17.44 | gonkulator | hi gonkulator |
| 22:18.00 | captain_proton | hi scanline |
| 22:18.08 | gonkulator | hi captain_proton |
| 22:18.17 | lurgyman | hi captain_proton |
| 22:18.22 | gonkulator | hi scanline |
| 22:18.25 | lurgyman | glad we got -that- straightened out |
| 22:18.40 | gonkulator | hi lurgyman |
| 22:18.46 | lurgyman | happy birthday! |
| 22:18.56 | gonkulator | Merry Christmas |
| 22:19.06 | lurgyman | JETSTREAM 1.0 RELEASE in 2 WEEKS! YAY! |
| 22:19.19 | scanline | lurgyman: you found a time machine? |
| 22:19.29 | file | time machine? O.O |
| 22:19.47 | gonkulator | hi lurgyman |
| 22:19.56 | lurgyman | scanline: yeah, but the morlocks weren't very good hackers |
| 22:20.24 | gonkulator | lurgyman: quick, join #jetstream |
| 22:22.11 | scanline | :) |
| 22:33.40 | scanline | hey, babylonia is back up |
| 22:34.11 | scanline | well, it's pingable at least |
| 22:34.20 | scanline | http still down |
| 22:42.05 | lurgyman | hang on... |
| 22:43.05 | lurgyman | aha! it is indeed not! |
| 22:43.13 | scanline | yae! |
| 22:44.27 | LoneTech | goodie |
| 22:48.21 | lurgyman | scanline: hmm... strange file descriptor issues... |
| 22:48.29 | scanline | strange |
| 22:49.22 | lurgyman | things are dying randomly |
| 22:56.09 | scanline | yay |
| 22:56.49 | lurgyman | yay! |
| 22:56.50 | lurgyman | what? |
| 22:56.56 | captain_proton | lurgyman: how long are you going to be at work? :} |
| 22:57.02 | lurgyman | captain_proton: not much longer |
| 22:57.14 | lurgyman | captain_proton: i have, in fact, yet to do anything |
| 22:57.44 | captain_proton | lurgyman: if you care to stick around until about 5:15...we can play bzflag =} |
| 22:58.19 | lurgyman | captain_proton: hmm, probably shouldn't... there are other people here... the kind that might expect me to do work :-p |
| 22:58.22 | scanline | when it sets up geomorphing, the vertex itself is what's currently onscreen but it has morphSource and morphTarget members for the endpoints of the morph. When I split a quadtree node, it calculates the midpoint on the surface between the morphTarget of each vertex. -but-, if I split a node right next to one that's being merged, the morphTarget will be the wrong position |
| 22:58.49 | scanline | I think I'll need to identify them as surfaceInterpolated and linearInterpolated rather than just source and target |
| 22:59.38 | scanline | I'm pretty sure this is the problem.. it's consistent with the results I'm getting |
| 22:59.53 | scanline | Surface is weird, but powerful :) |
| 22:59.57 | lurgyman | :P |
| 23:00.23 | lurgyman | be sure to post stuff on jetstram |
| 23:00.27 | lurgyman | .babylonia.flatirons.org |
| 23:00.37 | lurgyman | when it's fixed |
| 23:01.32 | lurgyman | scanline: it'll look especially cool if you generate a big terrain, and get closer to it with the jello cam thingy |
| 23:01.46 | lurgyman | ...using surface, of course |
| 23:02.29 | captain_proton | lurgyman: which api? |
| 23:02.38 | lurgyman | captain_proton: the emerging jetstream api |
| 23:02.51 | lurgyman | captain_proton: that, and python |
| 23:03.12 | captain_proton | ah |
| 23:03.15 | captain_proton | ooo scanline |
| 23:03.22 | captain_proton | the sgi freeware includes freetype 1.1 |
| 23:03.26 | captain_proton | how can they stand having such new software |
| 23:08.42 | lurgyman | hmm, same version as stable moz... |
| 23:09.44 | captain_proton | star trek sounds so good in dolby surround... |
| 23:11.05 | captain_proton | lurgyman: i'm assembling a bunch of tardists to install on the onyx later :) |
| 23:11.13 | captain_proton | bzflag.17e6_n32.tardist |
| 23:11.25 | lurgyman | :) |
| 23:11.54 | lurgyman | and of course we all know *cough* that you need a supercomputer to run bzflag's complex graphics at a decent frame rate |
| 23:12.08 | captain_proton | lurgyman: the issue is `bzflag -view stereo` |
| 23:12.24 | lurgyman | ah, yes |
| 23:12.27 | lurgyman | :D |
| 23:19.03 | lurgyman | scanline: what vid card do you have? |
| 23:19.10 | scanline | GF3 Ti200 |
| 23:19.28 | lurgyman | yay! |
| 23:19.39 | KeyserSoze | ati and nvidia don't have 3d accelerated drivers for their cards under linux on a mac, correct? |
| 23:19.52 | lurgyman | nvidia does |
| 23:20.14 | LoneTech | and there are open source 3d accel drivers for some ati boards. |
| 23:20.21 | scanline | there's an open source ati driver at least for my mac :) |
| 23:20.30 | scanline | dunno about the newer ones |
| 23:20.51 | lurgyman | scanline: i'll get nifty frame rates, between the 1024x768 res limit imposed by my monitor, and my new video card :) |
| 23:21.18 | scanline | lurgyman: because bzflag at 500 FHz is so much better than at 80 FHz |
| 23:21.26 | lurgyman | scanline: heh, exactly |
| 23:21.48 | scanline | you should make something for bzflag a la tenebrae quake :) |
| 23:21.58 | scanline | dot3 bump mapping and stencil shadows everywhere! |
| 23:22.10 | lurgyman | hehe |
| 23:22.24 | scanline | well, I guess bzflag already does stencil shadows... but on such simple geometry it's not that interesting |
| 23:22.43 | scanline | :) |
| 23:22.43 | captain_proton | scanline: actually it doesn't do stencil shadows |
| 23:22.47 | scanline | o? |
| 23:22.53 | captain_proton | scanline: its does an ooooogly hack that almost works as well as stencil shadows |
| 23:23.29 | lurgyman | captain_proton: stop bothering scanline so he can work! |
| 23:23.33 | lurgyman | :-p |
| 23:23.47 | KeyserSoze | ia64 = itanium? |
| 23:23.52 | lurgyman | KeyserSoze: yeah |
| 23:23.58 | lurgyman | methinks |
| 23:25.54 | lurgyman | hurry, scanl1ne, hurry! |
| 23:28.59 | captain_proton | lurgyman: because you want to wait for me to go to campus and play bzflag in 3d ;) |
| 23:29.23 | lurgyman | yes, -that-'s it! |
| 23:29.58 | scanline | hmmm |
| 23:30.04 | lurgyman | captain_proton: you'll have to hear this recording of mahler 2... just because it's incredibly weird hearing everyting at different tempos |
| 23:30.09 | lurgyman | scanline: what what what what wwhat? |
| 23:30.17 | scanline | just pondering |
| 23:30.26 | lurgyman | captain_proton: makes one realize how screwy Mahler's tempos are |
| 23:30.46 | lurgyman | scanline: a bit. now stop pondering and get to work |
| 23:30.53 | scanline | :) |
| 23:31.02 | lurgyman | :-p |
| 23:32.11 | captain_proton | haha |
| 23:32.16 | captain_proton | data is coolest when he's playing sherlock |
| 23:32.38 | scanline | indeed |
| 23:32.45 | lurgyman | yes, but... |
| 23:33.02 | captain_proton | lurgyman: not the ones in the holodeck |
| 23:33.07 | captain_proton | like the one i'm watching right now |
| 23:33.07 | lurgyman | whew |
| 23:33.34 | captain_proton | oooo and trois has a hypnosis box |
| 23:34.59 | lurgyman | count the number of times someone (usually Chakotay) starts a sentence with "It's some kind of..." |
| 23:35.17 | scanline | It's some kind of plot device for a cliche sci-fi show! |
| 23:35.30 | lurgyman | or the different fields they use |
| 23:35.36 | lurgyman | i counted 4 in an episode last week |
| 23:35.52 | scanline | It's some kind of inverse flux tachyon particle magnetic warp field! |
| 23:36.00 | lurgyman | force fields, containment fields, neurogenic fields, and warp fields |
| 23:37.27 | lurgyman | :) |
| 23:37.32 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:37.37 | lurgyman | hehe |
| 23:37.47 | lurgyman | that's all right? good. now post pretty movies! |
| 23:37.53 | scanline | soon |
| 23:38.47 | scanline | go play bzflag :P |
| 23:38.52 | lurgyman | ok |
| 23:39.49 | lurgyman | nah |
| 23:40.58 | LoneTech | Blender does lots of interpolation interpolations. |
| 23:41.51 | lurgyman | you know a composer's cool when he uses a 5 minute long theme to resolve tension, and gets louder at the same time |
| 23:41.59 | lurgyman | you also know his name is Gus Mahler |
| 23:43.13 | lurgyman | here he goes again... |
| 23:45.21 | scanline | 50% complete geomorphing overhaul |
| 23:46.10 | lurgyman | :D |
| 23:48.05 | lurgyman | scanline: too lazy to get up |
| 23:48.12 | scanline | oh, ok |
| 23:48.13 | lurgyman | and burning a cd |
| 23:49.31 | lurgyman | and listening to Mahler |
| 23:49.35 | captain_proton | scanline: welp, i'm gonna burn this cd |
| 23:49.37 | lurgyman | Mahler the uninterruptable |
| 23:49.47 | scanline | captain_proton: mmkay. headed off to onyxland? |
| 23:53.29 | captain_proton | scanline: shortly |
| 23:53.35 | captain_proton | lurgyman: aww |
| 23:53.43 | captain_proton | lurgyman: i'll be there in...15 minutes |
| 23:55.11 | captain_proton | sure you don't wanna play? :P |
| 23:57.27 | lurgyman | scanline compiles... without incident! surface is working perfectly! yay! |
| 23:57.28 | captain_proton | ah |
| 23:57.30 | captain_proton | poo |
| 23:57.37 | scanline | still compiling :P |
| 23:57.47 | lurgyman | yay for c++ Compile time! |
| 23:57.50 | scanline | uh huh |
| 23:58.00 | scanline | I think I could compile all of picogui faster than PythonWrapper.cpp :P |
| 23:58.08 | lurgyman | :) |
| 23:58.12 | captain_proton | probably |
| 23:58.31 | scanline | captain_proton: I clocked it at 190MB of memory compiling that beast |
| 23:58.47 | captain_proton | scanline: doesn't surprise me |
| 23:58.50 | njs | scanline: oh, god, you're using boost, right? That'd do it :-) |
| 23:58.56 | scanline | njs: yeppers |
| 23:59.03 | captain_proton | boost is evil |
| 23:59.09 | scanline | boost.python is the only thing I know of that could turn a 100 line file into a 5MB .o :P |
| 23:59.24 | *** join/#picogui jimlay (~jimlay@dsl231-058-253.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 23:59.33 | scanline | it's a hell of a lot easier than the ScriptableObject stuff though |
| 23:59.35 | jimlay | PicoBot: seen file |
| 23:59.35 | PicoBot | file was last seen on #picogui 35 minutes and 53 seconds ago, saying: runs a virus scan... for no reason [Tue Jan 7 16:32:06 2003] |
| 23:59.42 | scanline | hi jimlay |
| 23:59.45 | jimlay | sup scanline |
| 23:59.55 | lurgyman | he's compiling jetstream |
