| 00:00.06 | KeyserSoze | you ever hear of Geil? |
| 00:00.32 | gonkulator | nope |
| 00:03.30 | KeyserSoze | darn. there was 512MB of Corsair XMS PC2700 cas2 on pricewatch for $146, but it was a typo |
| 00:03.45 | gonkulator | PC2700 eh? |
| 00:03.51 | KeyserSoze | yup |
| 00:03.58 | KeyserSoze | it's $170 everywhere else |
| 00:04.33 | KeyserSoze | it's less than you paid for an ibook, isn't it? :D |
| 00:04.41 | gonkulator | well, yes |
| 00:04.56 | gonkulator | but my iBook has over 512 meg of memory, and it is portable |
| 00:05.04 | KeyserSoze | how much over? |
| 00:05.14 | gonkulator | it has 640 total |
| 00:05.41 | KeyserSoze | that's SDRAM, though. i'd put in 3GB if I was building a new desktop with SDRAM :p |
| 00:05.41 | gonkulator | but it isn't even DDR... |
| 00:05.58 | gonkulator | uh huh... |
| 00:06.03 | gonkulator | but I didn't want a desktop :) |
| 00:06.53 | KeyserSoze | lol. 512MB PC133, $28. 1GB PC133, $104. |
| 00:07.34 | gonkulator | not top of the line, but not a slouch either |
| 00:07.54 | KeyserSoze | but, you cannot upgrade. |
| 00:08.07 | gonkulator | nope... not without getting a new iBook later on |
| 00:08.27 | gonkulator | all I wanted was a portable that was good enough to do the games we play at LAN parties, and I got just that |
| 00:08.41 | KeyserSoze | can ou play ut2k3? |
| 00:08.47 | KeyserSoze | s/ou/you |
| 00:08.48 | gonkulator | I dunno |
| 00:08.54 | gonkulator | I think so, but I haven't tried yet |
| 00:09.02 | gonkulator | it has an 800 mHz G3 |
| 00:09.18 | KeyserSoze | the cpu is nearly irrelevent. |
| 00:09.30 | KeyserSoze | it's mostly the video memory bandwidth, and GPU that matter. |
| 00:09.34 | scanline | ha, jetstream will change that |
| 00:09.42 | scanline | =) |
| 00:09.46 | KeyserSoze | jetstream? |
| 00:09.54 | scanline | KeyserSoze: game captain_proton and I are working on |
| 00:10.12 | KeyserSoze | it's a CPU hog? :p |
| 00:10.14 | scanline | this engine we're designing will be superbly kick-ass... better than anything commercial games have |
| 00:11.00 | gonkulator | w00t for JetCOW |
| 00:11.09 | scanline | Well, every single surface in the game will be defined procedurally, with continuous level-of-detail.. the game world will be able to model an entire solar system and individual rocks at the same time |
| 00:11.20 | gonkulator | KeyserSoze: I have seen it, and it kicks ass like none other |
| 00:11.36 | scanline | gonkulator: what we have so far doesn't really kick anything... |
| 00:11.50 | gonkulator | I thought it was cool when you made me feel nauseated |
| 00:11.55 | gonkulator | not many games can do that |
| 00:12.08 | KeyserSoze | lol |
| 00:12.14 | gonkulator | UT-GOTY did at first, but not very bad |
| 00:12.48 | lurgyman | every star trek game i've ever played where they try to put in william shatner has made me nauseous |
| 00:12.49 | scanline | haha... well that was just the camera model. It doesn't take that much CPU to model acceleration and fluid friction |
| 00:12.51 | gonkulator | scanline: can I do the voices for characters if there are voices for characters that need to be done? |
| 00:12.55 | scanline | gonkulator: no |
| 00:13.20 | gonkulator | :) |
| 00:13.27 | lurgyman | gonkulator: i'll bet scanline'll let you play purple aliens, though |
| 00:13.49 | lurgyman | ribbit |
| 00:13.56 | scanline | hehe |
| 00:13.59 | KeyserSoze | how do you know if the alien sound is purple? |
| 00:14.00 | lurgyman | gonkulator needs to send out the contest! |
| 00:14.01 | gonkulator | lurgyman: thats pretty good, can you do a frog? |
| 00:14.12 | KeyserSoze | purple is usually a visually identified characteristic |
| 00:14.13 | lurgyman | KABLOOIE! |
| 00:14.27 | KeyserSoze | explosions and such |
| 00:15.02 | scanline | these octahedrons cause too many distortions |
| 00:15.40 | scanline | though it's amazing how refreshing it is just to see round surfaces in a game... |
| 00:16.02 | lurgyman | scanline: ooh, can i come see? |
| 00:16.27 | scanline | well, it's not that interesting.. just a wireframe sphere :) |
| 00:16.57 | scanline | I'll post a screenshot and/or movie after I have IcoSphere working and have it correctly subdividing with LOD |
| 00:17.07 | gonkulator | there, I just sent out the requirements |
| 00:17.09 | gonkulator | FSCK |
| 00:17.10 | lurgyman | yay! and surfaces are happy |
| 00:17.13 | lurgyman | yay |
| 00:17.13 | gonkulator | I forgot a piece |
| 00:17.15 | scanline | this OctSphere has too many distortions for something on a planetary scale |
| 00:17.23 | scanline | wb captain_proton |
| 00:17.40 | captain_proton | (lengthy difficult final that was) |
| 00:18.03 | lurgyman | scanline and captain_proton: food shortly? |
| 00:18.11 | scanline | ok |
| 00:18.18 | lurgyman | scanline and captain_proton: well, not -too- shortly |
| 00:18.26 | captain_proton | lurgyman: hmm, looks like the origin broke itself pretty badly |
| 00:18.34 | lurgyman | ow |
| 00:19.00 | captain_proton | i have to go deal with it |
| 00:19.11 | scanline | darn shoddy SGI hardware! They should buy something quality-made, like eMachines! |
| 00:19.12 | lurgyman | if it had broken itself well, it would probably be harder to fix |
| 00:19.22 | lurgyman | yes!!! |
| 00:19.28 | lurgyman | cheese muffins on a fork! |
| 00:19.35 | scanline | yay for muffins! |
| 00:19.36 | scanline | yay for forks! |
| 00:20.14 | captain_proton | gonkulator: wtf is this: |
| 00:20.17 | njs | scanline: wow, I want to see that. Can you post a screenshot? |
| 00:20.20 | captain_proton | "must compile without errors on OS X with GCC version 3.1" |
| 00:20.44 | scanline | njs: soon! right now it's just a wireframe sphere based on a subdivided octahedron |
| 00:21.05 | gonkulator | captain_proton: thats what I have |
| 00:21.12 | captain_proton | gonkulator: whoops |
| 00:21.14 | gonkulator | captain_proton: I am disregarding warnings |
| 00:21.18 | captain_proton | gonkulator: misread 'errors' as 'warnings' :0 |
| 00:21.30 | njs | scanline: no, I want a picture of you fork(2)'ing. |
| 00:21.41 | scanline | oh :) |
| 00:21.47 | gonkulator | lurgyman: happy :) |
| 00:21.59 | lurgyman | no goto? that's sick! |
| 00:22.25 | KeyserSoze | damnit! i tried to do a "save as" of the order information for my new MB and CPU in galeon and mozilla, and they both lockup. it's because i have a symlink in ~ to a NFS share that is on the PC that is down. |
| 00:22.41 | lurgyman | #define headtowards goto |
| 00:22.45 | lurgyman | headtowards label; |
| 00:23.26 | scanline | hehe |
| 00:23.26 | njs | longjmp instead! |
| 00:23.38 | gonkulator | njs: whats your email? |
| 00:23.46 | gonkulator | I'll send you a copy of the stuff |
| 00:23.48 | njs | njs@fresco.org'll work. |
| 00:23.58 | lurgyman | speed rank = rank relative to other people? |
| 00:24.40 | KeyserSoze | gonkulator: do you mean the input and output file *names* will be the first and second command line arguments? |
| 00:25.07 | gonkulator | KeyserSoze: yeah |
| 00:25.10 | gonkulator | did I screw that up? |
| 00:25.18 | KeyserSoze | you only left out "names" |
| 00:25.30 | gonkulator | oh, so an intelligent person could figure it out |
| 00:25.37 | KeyserSoze | yup, they could |
| 00:25.37 | gonkulator | :p |
| 00:25.40 | gonkulator | ok |
| 00:25.54 | KeyserSoze | they could even figure it out, and then ask you about it on IRC to bust your chops |
| 00:25.55 | KeyserSoze | :) |
| 00:25.56 | lurgyman | scanline: you need to cover the naked frame with a surface |
| 00:26.06 | gonkulator | njs: ok, tiz sent |
| 00:28.32 | scanline | lurgyman: will do that once I get the frame itself working |
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| 00:34.28 | gonkulator | PicoBot: spank |
| 00:34.32 | gonkulator | PicoBot: spank |
| 00:34.38 | gonkulator | PicoBot: spank |
| 00:35.11 | njs | heh, no loops. cute. |
| 00:35.30 | gonkulator | njs: I wanted to take scanline's biggest weapon away... the for loop |
| 00:36.27 | gonkulator | hehehehe |
| 00:36.51 | njs | you should specify if the binary size/code size part of the contest includes symbol names. |
| 00:37.02 | njs | and if code size is by lines or by bytes. |
| 00:37.19 | njs | *cough* tr -d '\n' *cough* ;-) |
| 00:37.48 | scanline | yay.. the distortions aren't nearly as visible with an icosahedron |
| 00:38.39 | scanline | way better than those pansy spheres that look like really low-res globes |
| 00:39.52 | lurgyman | scanline: we have to wait until captain_proton gets back anyhow |
| 00:42.22 | scanline | ok |
| 00:42.30 | gonkulator | njs: code size is by bytes |
| 00:48.07 | gonkulator | :) |
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| 00:52.35 | njs | and how is time measured? in what units? :-) |
| 00:53.29 | lurgyman | lightyear fortnight hertz |
| 00:59.54 | KeyserSoze | nemesis? |
| 01:00.47 | kergoth | KeyserSoze: how was it? not going to be able to see it tonight myself |
| 01:03.44 | KeyserSoze | it was lousy |
| 01:03.59 | kergoth | ack, that sucks |
| 01:04.24 | *** join/#picogui Cambo (mmmeeee@cm216036165101.westman.wave.ca) |
| 01:04.39 | KeyserSoze | my PS is putting out 5.3V on the 5V line, 11.8 on the 12, -4.8 on the -5, and -10.7 on the -12 |
| 01:04.59 | KeyserSoze | i only have a couple 12V fans hooked up to it though |
| 01:05.23 | KeyserSoze | (and a jumper across the power on line and ground) |
| 01:09.09 | KeyserSoze | this MB is kind of dusty, maybe i should wash it off and try it again, and see if it works any better? |
| 01:16.47 | lurgyman | captain_proton is back |
| 01:18.02 | lurgyman | scanline: food time |
| 01:18.11 | lurgyman | yeepi! |
| 01:18.53 | scanline | alright |
| 01:18.54 | scanline | y |
| 01:23.44 | *** join/#picogui sad0ur (~sad0ur@erebor.lep.brno.cas.cz) |
| 01:25.45 | KeyserSoze | xentac? |
| 01:25.50 | Xentac | KeyserSoze: ? |
| 01:26.05 | KeyserSoze | do you know what voltages are acceptable on an ATX PS? |
| 01:26.09 | sad0ur | hi? |
| 01:26.49 | KeyserSoze | i have: 5-> 5.3, 12-> 11.2, 3.3-> 3.32, -12 -> -10.6, -5 -> -4.8 |
| 01:27.41 | KeyserSoze | one of my PCs was off, and tried to restart it, but no go. opened the case and tried again, saw smoke coming out of one of the big capacitors by the power connector |
| 01:28.02 | KeyserSoze | i'm wondering if it's just a bad MB, or maybe the PS's fault? |
| 01:28.23 | Xentac | sorry man... can't help |
| 01:28.33 | Xentac | ;) |
| 01:28.49 | KeyserSoze | lol. me neither, whenever i can avoid it. |
| 01:29.11 | sad0ur | i guess capacitor would blow on some peak |
| 01:29.19 | sad0ur | wouldn't |
| 01:29.21 | sad0ur | sorry :) |
| 01:29.31 | KeyserSoze | i'm reluctant to put a brand new MB and CPU in with that PS, and reluctant to spend $50 for a new PS unless I know i need it. |
| 01:30.10 | Xentac | hehehe |
| 01:30.13 | Xentac | take it to a shop then! |
| 01:30.40 | KeyserSoze | that was the same MB and PS that were in the water cooled machine when I accidentally let 120VAC arc through the case. :D |
| 01:30.55 | Xentac | hehehe |
| 01:31.07 | KeyserSoze | it's worked for a year, though! |
| 01:34.06 | Xentac | that's what they all say... |
| 01:34.29 | KeyserSoze | found a chart: http://www.fidgroup.com/IM000286.jpg |
| 01:34.49 | Xentac | hehehe |
| 01:34.50 | Xentac | there you go |
| 01:34.53 | KeyserSoze | according to it, my PS is slightly out of spec |
| 01:35.07 | Xentac | time to make a new arch package... |
| 01:39.11 | Xentac | file: how was it? |
| 01:41.12 | file | it was interesting, and disappointing |
| 01:41.22 | KeyserSoze | i don't expect much when going to see a star trek flick, but it was horrible |
| 01:41.30 | Xentac | yeah? |
| 01:41.34 | file | KeyserSoze: why couldn't they have 2 emergency transport things so Data... |
| 01:41.45 | KeyserSoze | it was a "prototype" |
| 01:41.48 | file | I know |
| 01:41.56 | file | but they could have replicated another! |
| 01:41.59 | file | or send the dumb android! |
| 01:42.22 | KeyserSoze | WTF ever happened to their shuttles? there are better ways to go from ship to ship than jumping... |
| 01:42.24 | Xentac | hey... you know... I'll probably see it... once... it comes out on video... and... someone else rents it...! |
| 01:42.34 | kergoth | Xentac: me too |
| 01:42.36 | KeyserSoze | oops, sorry |
| 01:42.37 | file | KeyserSoze: who knows... |
| 01:42.49 | file | KeyserSoze: the Argo was nice ;) |
| 01:43.15 | KeyserSoze | no, it was stupid. :( |
| 01:43.33 | anonyman[emujr] | hey, just got back from nemesis |
| 01:44.11 | Xentac | oh yeah... I finished making that arch rdesktop package a little while ago... |
| 01:44.33 | file | I loved it! |
| 01:45.08 | anonyman[emujr] | it was underdeveloped, i think |
| 01:45.16 | anonyman[emujr] | anonymom says hi |
| 01:45.22 | file | wb |
| 01:49.15 | file | overall I think it was bad |
| 01:49.26 | file | Xentac: don't bother to see it |
| 01:50.39 | file | yeah but not in the theatre |
| 01:50.57 | Xentac | hehehe, ok |
| 01:53.22 | anonyman[emujr] | it's a trek movie |
| 01:53.38 | file | anonyman[emujr]: partial credit, not full |
| 01:54.02 | file | WELL - time for Farscape |
| 01:54.02 | anonyman[emujr] | explain |
| 01:54.12 | file | anonyman[emujr]: just because it's a trek movie doesn't make it good |
| 01:54.37 | captain_proton | file: blasphemy |
| 01:54.39 | anonyman[emujr] | i know; there are good trek movies and bad ones |
| 01:54.55 | lurgyman | well, there are decent trek movies and really godawful ones |
| 01:55.16 | anonyman[emujr] | i.e., good- 6; bad- 1,5 |
| 01:55.29 | file | oh well |
| 01:55.33 | file | some of it was still good! |
| 01:55.39 | anonyman[emujr] | yes |
| 01:55.51 | lurgyman | i.e., we really did't need to see shatner and god clash egos and overacting might |
| 01:56.04 | lurgyman | of course, shatner had the bigger ego |
| 01:56.23 | captain_proton | shatner's ego destroyed god's |
| 01:56.29 | lurgyman | yup |
| 01:56.48 | anonyman[emujr] | it was kinda gratuitous since it was the last tng movie |
| 01:56.51 | file | and now... on Farscape |
| 01:57.14 | Xentac | hey, quit it! |
| 01:57.15 | captain_proton | gee, thats not a spoiler, really |
| 01:57.16 | anonyman[emujr] | there's always b4 |
| 01:57.22 | lurgyman | all the odd-numbered trek movies were gratuitous |
| 01:57.22 | file | :) |
| 01:57.23 | lurgyman | except #3 |
| 01:57.34 | anonyman[emujr] | noone ever really dies in trek |
| 01:57.42 | file | I should give away all the good stuff |
| 01:57.51 | Xentac | anonyman[emujr]: except Tasha Yar... |
| 01:57.59 | Xentac | and... who else was there... |
| 01:58.08 | anonyman[emujr] | all the redshirts |
| 01:58.12 | lurgyman | Tasha Yar has become more powerful than any of us could possibly imagine |
| 01:58.22 | Xentac | lurgyman: hehehe |
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| 01:59.29 | Xentac | kergoth`tv: what exactly do you watch during these tv breaks? |
| 02:00.13 | lurgyman | Gilmore Girls! |
| 02:00.28 | captain_proton | lurgyman was playing with the jetstream camera and he went into null-space |
| 02:00.40 | scanline | haha |
| 02:00.58 | captain_proton | scanline: i suggested we watch st5 so that nemesis won't seem so bad |
| 02:01.03 | scanline | does he have current svn with the sphere, or the terrain thingy? |
| 02:01.11 | scanline | captain_proton: haha |
| 02:01.14 | scanline | no thanks |
| 02:01.19 | captain_proton | he doesn't have anything, was playing with the sphere here |
| 02:01.31 | scanline | hehe |
| 02:02.07 | scanline | you can still tell where the original icosahedron triangles were, but the triangles are all pretty much the same size |
| 02:06.26 | KeyserSoze | god damn compusa and best buy close at 9 freaking pm. |
| 02:06.32 | KeyserSoze | that's insane |
| 02:08.40 | lurgyman | there is a solution |
| 02:08.52 | KeyserSoze | sol'n? |
| 02:08.54 | lurgyman | move into mountain or pacific time zone |
| 02:09.11 | KeyserSoze | i don't think that matters |
| 02:09.19 | lurgyman | here, it's still 7:15 |
| 02:09.29 | KeyserSoze | my city sucks |
| 02:09.30 | lurgyman | and bestbuy and compusa are therefore still open |
| 02:09.36 | lurgyman | which city? |
| 02:09.38 | KeyserSoze | Grand Rapids Michigan |
| 02:09.50 | lurgyman | my dad's from that state |
| 02:09.56 | lurgyman | damned if i can remember where, tho |
| 02:10.24 | KeyserSoze | it's one claim to fame is that in "Army of Darkness", where Ashe is talking about his shotgun, he says "This here baby is made in Grand Rapids, Michigan" |
| 02:10.39 | KeyserSoze | and it's the furniture capital of the world |
| 02:10.46 | lurgyman | ours is... *shudder* mork and mindy |
| 02:10.51 | KeyserSoze | where? |
| 02:10.56 | lurgyman | Boulder, CO |
| 02:11.15 | lurgyman | apparently, the photonics capital of the country |
| 02:11.15 | KeyserSoze | what time does BB or compusa close there? |
| 02:11.22 | lurgyman | 9 or 10 |
| 02:11.30 | captain_proton | Big Brother? |
| 02:11.38 | KeyserSoze | best buy |
| 02:11.38 | lurgyman | i think 10 |
| 02:12.04 | scanline | it's the BBC! |
| 02:12.11 | lurgyman | the Big Brother Corporation! |
| 02:12.30 | *** join/#picogui Xentac[laptop] (~jchu@amga45cyy30x9.bc.hsia.telus.net) |
| 02:12.59 | file | hi Xentac |
| 02:13.02 | Xentac[laptop] | hi file |
| 02:13.15 | file | what's up? |
| 02:13.23 | Xentac[laptop] | nothing... |
| 02:13.30 | Xentac[laptop] | just making myself some chicken noodle soup |
| 02:13.47 | file | ic |
| 02:14.06 | Xentac[laptop] | and the's the christmas party for work tomorrow... and I have to beat up little kids... so I need to be in good condition |
| 02:14.48 | lurgyman | ...so if you can regurgitate chicken noodle soup at them, all will be fine and dandy |
| 02:15.10 | Xentac[laptop] | bah |
| 02:15.16 | captain_proton | Xentac[laptop]: isn't beating up little kids fun? |
| 02:15.22 | Xentac[laptop] | I'm only like 92% |
| 02:15.31 | Xentac[laptop] | captain_proton: it is... but it's also a lot of work... |
| 02:18.22 | Xentac[laptop] | I just want to be well for the christmas party |
| 02:18.33 | Xentac[laptop] | scanline: hehehe... why not get a program to do it? |
| 02:18.37 | captain_proton | scanline: hahaha |
| 02:18.39 | KeyserSoze | scanline: got matlab? |
| 02:18.51 | scanline | I might try superelliptic interpolation later |
| 02:19.00 | scanline | later maybe equaling 15 minutes... |
| 02:19.16 | scanline | err, superellipsoidic not superelliptic |
| 02:22.26 | Xentac[laptop] | http://napkin.org/napkin.cfm?Start=1131 |
| 02:26.12 | Xentac[laptop] | it's like, what are they thinking? "oh, I need an acronym here because most people normally put one... which one would be a good one... hmmm... imho... yeah! that's perfect!" |
| 02:26.38 | file | your scary |
| 02:26.45 | Xentac[laptop] | that's like "irregardless" |
| 02:29.54 | Xentac[laptop] | file: you mean 'you're scary' |
| 02:30.27 | sad0ur | /quit |
| 02:30.40 | sad0ur | ? ups |
| 02:30.47 | KeyserSoze | re: napkin.org, what two industries? |
| 02:31.07 | *** part/#picogui sad0ur (~sad0ur@erebor.lep.brno.cas.cz) |
| 02:31.13 | Xentac[laptop] | KeyserSoze: ummm... the computer industry... and the drug industry... |
| 02:33.51 | lurgyman | WHY DID YOU RESIGN? |
| 02:34.01 | Xentac[laptop] | lurgyman: wha? |
| 02:34.43 | lurgyman | unable to restrain prisoner quote |
| 02:34.49 | lurgyman | we want... information |
| 02:34.55 | captain_proton | you won't get it |
| 02:35.04 | lurgyman | by hook or by crook, we will |
| 02:35.18 | captain_proton | i am not a number, I AM A FREE MAN! |
| 02:35.32 | lurgyman | mwaaaaaa ha ha ha ha |
| 02:36.03 | njs | I was tempted by the complete prisoner on DVD collection yesterday, but managed to resist it. |
| 02:36.32 | captain_proton | njs: lurgyman has it |
| 02:36.36 | njs | (that it cost $150 helped. Besides, I don't have a DVD player.) |
| 02:36.57 | scanline | 5! |
| 02:37.15 | Xentac[laptop] | http://bash.org/?54582 |
| 02:37.44 | Xentac[laptop] | http://bash.org/?54580 |
| 02:38.11 | scanline | captain_proton: ooh boy, you'll love this math... 2 cosines, 2 sines, and 8 exponentials per vertex! |
| 02:38.37 | lurgyman | -O6 will never be enough |
| 02:39.37 | KeyserSoze | from napkin.org: "Ah, Canada, the maple-leaf state." |
| 02:39.45 | Xentac[laptop] | KeyserSoze: gah |
| 02:40.01 | Xentac[laptop] | http://bash.org/?54519 |
| 02:41.12 | KeyserSoze | what should i do with my athlon 850? |
| 02:41.35 | Xentac[laptop] | KeyserSoze: hey, this is a family channel! |
| 02:41.46 | KeyserSoze | it's not quite crappy enough to throw away... |
| 02:42.07 | lurgyman | 24-hour bzflag server |
| 02:42.12 | Xentac[laptop] | lurgyman: good call |
| 02:42.18 | Xentac[laptop] | KeyserSoze: ummm... give it to me! |
| 02:42.28 | KeyserSoze | $31 for a new one on pricewatch (which is misleading, because a XP1700 is only $50, and there is no way a 850 is worth more than half as much as a 1700) |
| 02:42.36 | KeyserSoze | Xentac: do you really want it? |
| 02:43.03 | Xentac[laptop] | KeyserSoze: well, it'd be nice instead of a 233 server.. |
| 02:43.06 | scanline | and 850 is by no means crappy! |
| 02:43.22 | KeyserSoze | Xentac: i don't have a MB to give you, just the CPU. |
| 02:43.47 | Xentac[laptop] | hmmm, I don't think a PI MB would work with an athlon 850.. |
| 02:44.07 | Xentac[laptop] | I'm quite sure I could put it to use though... |
| 02:44.11 | Xentac[laptop] | if you didn't want to use it |
| 02:45.12 | KeyserSoze | i can't think of what i'll do with it. |
| 02:45.40 | Xentac[laptop] | http://bash.org/?54365 |
| 02:46.07 | Xentac[laptop] | scanline: amateur! |
| 02:46.58 | scanline | aha, and I shall name this the NaN surface! |
| 02:47.22 | scanline | I love how NaN points always go off the bottom-right of the screen no matter what angle you look at them from |
| 02:49.06 | Xentac[laptop] | http://bash.org/?54343 <---- mwahahaha |
| 02:50.44 | Xentac[laptop] | http://bash.org/?54287 |
| 02:51.32 | KeyserSoze | that last one is disturbing |
| 02:51.47 | Xentac[laptop] | so many of these are good.. |
| 02:51.54 | Xentac[laptop] | http://bash.org/?54264 |
| 02:52.09 | KeyserSoze | lol |
| 02:52.29 | Xentac[laptop] | http://bash.org/?54244 |
| 02:53.48 | Xentac[laptop] | http://bash.org/?54223 |
| 02:53.50 | Xentac[laptop] | mwahahah |
| 02:53.53 | scanline | haha.. I created something which definitely is not a superquadric but looks kinda neat |
| 02:54.57 | Xentac[laptop] | http://bash.org/?54173 |
| 02:55.10 | KeyserSoze | maybe i should start building a 4th PC to be a PVR (personal video recorder)? |
| 02:55.44 | Xentac[laptop] | http://bash.org/?54163 |
| 02:55.46 | Xentac[laptop] | mwahahaha |
| 02:55.57 | Xentac[laptop] | KeyserSoze: that'd be cool... cause then you could record stuff for me :) |
| 02:56.00 | scanline | oh hmm.. I seem to have taken a 2-dimensional octahedron and extrapolated a weirdly-twisted sphere from it |
| 02:56.25 | Xentac[laptop] | scanline: you and your crazy math |
| 02:57.33 | KeyserSoze | s/stright/straight |
| 02:57.46 | Xentac[laptop] | KeyserSoze: or into the screen.. |
| 02:57.51 | scanline | or straight into the screen |
| 02:58.41 | KeyserSoze | um, okay, so i was wrong. but isn't Z the one pointing *out* of the screen? |
| 02:58.51 | scanline | it's all arbitrary... |
| 02:59.06 | Xentac[laptop] | all depends on where the camera is... |
| 02:59.12 | KeyserSoze | camera? |
| 02:59.17 | Xentac[laptop] | but is the one that doesn't go down the Y axis or X axis |
| 02:59.19 | Xentac[laptop] | well... not camera.. |
| 02:59.23 | captain_proton | there is no camera |
| 02:59.23 | Xentac[laptop] | but frame of reference |
| 02:59.29 | Xentac[laptop] | viewport |
| 02:59.37 | KeyserSoze | if you're doing 3d graphics, I won't help you find your axis. i thought you were doing math. |
| 02:59.37 | Xentac[laptop] | the-way-you're-looking |
| 02:59.47 | captain_proton | Xentac[laptop]: the scene is rotated, not the view |
| 02:59.48 | Xentac[laptop] | KeyserSoze: hehehe |
| 03:00.06 | Xentac[laptop] | captain_proton: ummm... are you sure? ;) |
| 03:01.19 | Xentac[laptop] | hehehe... in an email relating to emacs on the zaurus... |
| 03:01.26 | scanline | haha |
| 03:01.30 | Xentac[laptop] | "Besides, what would emacs be like without either a Control or an Alt key?" |
| 03:01.40 | captain_proton | Xentac[laptop]: yeah, all the transformations are 'backwards' if you're considering the movement as a camera |
| 03:02.08 | Xentac[laptop] | captain_proton: ah... mathematically the scene is moving... but if you were an independant entity there's no difference |
| 03:02.32 | Xentac[laptop] | that's what I was getting at |
| 03:02.59 | captain_proton | Xentac[laptop]: well sorta - the current modelview matrix defines where a polygon is drawn - so there isn't a concept of an "independent entity" |
| 03:03.22 | scanline | learn about 3D graphics of course |
| 03:03.23 | captain_proton | there are some systems (like renderman) where there are two matrixes - one for the polygon and one for the camera |
| 03:03.42 | Xentac[laptop] | captain_proton: :P I'm talking about 3D in general |
| 03:03.49 | scanline | opengl sort of has one for the camera.. just that most of the time you don't use it for a camera |
| 03:04.06 | captain_proton | Xentac[laptop]: there is no 3d in general! its all dependent on the view system chosen |
| 03:04.43 | Xentac[laptop] | scanline: the problem with me learning 3D is that I know some things... so reading tutorials is too easy... and reading documents (like high level stuff) is too difficult.. |
| 03:05.19 | scanline | Xentac[laptop]: so just try to build something, and look for detailed docs when you hit a snag |
| 03:05.20 | Xentac[laptop] | captain_proton: oh, I see... so 3 dimensions don't exist without a view system... |
| 03:05.51 | Xentac[laptop] | scanline: hehehe... I could try that... I suppose that's how you do it... though... I have no... hmmm... I don't know the word... |
| 03:06.06 | Xentac[laptop] | inspiration? or something like that... |
| 03:06.39 | njs | motivation? |
| 03:07.41 | Xentac[laptop] | motivation might be it... |
| 03:07.42 | KeyserSoze | guts? |
| 03:07.45 | Xentac[laptop] | but it's more than just that... |
| 03:07.49 | KeyserSoze | are you afraid, you big chicken? |
| 03:08.00 | Xentac[laptop] | inspiration, motivation, lack of... well... smarts... to put it simply |
| 03:08.03 | Xentac[laptop] | KeyserSoze: hehehe |
| 03:08.05 | Xentac[laptop] | but what? |
| 03:08.21 | lurgyman | scanline: how did you install boost after building? |
| 03:08.30 | scanline | "emerge boost" :) |
| 03:08.39 | lurgyman | pfa |
| 03:09.01 | Xentac[laptop] | pfa..? |
| 03:09.45 | lurgyman | just 'pfa' |
| 03:10.01 | Xentac[laptop] | hey... there's a programming contest... |
| 03:10.29 | lurgyman | music begins where words leave off |
| 03:10.50 | lurgyman | woof |
| 03:13.14 | Xentac[laptop] | but I have till the 31st to do it.. |
| 03:13.18 | njs | KeyserSoze: none of that modern junk, now! |
| 03:13.41 | Xentac[laptop] | do I start now and pull my hair out for the next 2 weeks? or do I start later? |
| 03:19.38 | lurgyman | nfs: hmm... Beethoven fan? |
| 03:19.58 | lurgyman | njs: hmm... Beethoven fan? (oops) |
| 03:21.33 | njs | hmm. I like Beethoven, but he's not my favorite. |
| 03:22.04 | lurgyman | i would agree, but... |
| 03:22.09 | lurgyman | do you have a favorite of his symphonies? |
| 03:22.25 | Xentac[laptop] | hehehe... I just remembered something I heard on the radio today... |
| 03:22.41 | njs | I'm not familiar enough with them to |
| 03:22.45 | lurgyman | ok |
| 03:22.56 | njs | why? |
| 03:23.10 | Xentac[laptop] | "Dear Santa, if the elves have too much trouble putting together my Countash in time, I will settle for a list of the very naughty girls" |
| 03:23.34 | KeyserSoze | s/Countash/Countach |
| 03:23.35 | lurgyman | there's a good way of recommending mahler symphonies based on fav. beethoven symphonies |
| 03:23.49 | lurgyman | but for those of us who aren't gigantic beethoven fans, it's less effective |
| 03:23.55 | njs | ah, heh |
| 03:24.10 | lurgyman | but i always recommend mahler 3, 'cuz i'm a trombonist :-p |
| 03:24.16 | Xentac[laptop] | KeyserSoze: yeah... I thought I'd look it up... but I decided to just guess ;o) |
| 03:24.17 | njs | heh, cool, so am I |
| 03:24.22 | lurgyman | heheh |
| 03:24.32 | lurgyman | :) |
| 03:24.40 | lurgyman | have you read the solo from mahler 3? |
| 03:24.45 | njs | no |
| 03:25.04 | njs | in fact, I wasn't even aware it was a good trombone piece *hangs head in shame* |
| 03:25.32 | lurgyman | ~fishslap njs |
| 03:25.35 | | ACTION slaps njs up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 03:25.54 | lurgyman | how old are you? |
| 03:26.03 | njs | 20 |
| 03:26.19 | lurgyman | you should definitely have read mahler 3 :) |
| 03:26.31 | KeyserSoze | hah! /me is 2*3*!!! |
| 03:26.46 | lurgyman | it's spiffy |
| 03:27.53 | Xentac[laptop] | KeyserSoze: I'll never respect you, old man! |
| 03:28.02 | KeyserSoze | dude, you *have* to. |
| 03:28.05 | KeyserSoze | it's a rule. |
| 03:28.21 | njs | I haven't really played for a few years; I was in a really _great_ high school group, and then got to college and there was basically no-one interesting to play with :-( |
| 03:28.23 | lurgyman | njs: there's a (rough) copy at http://www.trombone.org/orchexcerpts/gph-mahler3-1.asp |
| 03:28.33 | Xentac[laptop] | nah, generally I respect people till they screw up a lot, or piss me off... |
| 03:28.36 | lurgyman | ...and http://www.trombone.org/orchexcerpts/gph-mahler3-2.asp |
| 03:28.38 | Xentac[laptop] | therefore, no respect for you! |
| 03:28.47 | Xentac[laptop] | ;) |
| 03:28.49 | lurgyman | ...and http://www.trombone.org/orchexcerpts/gph-mahler3-3.asp |
| 03:29.34 | njs | (well, nothing classical anyway, and I've never understood jazz) |
| 03:30.03 | lurgyman | njs: i -suppose- that's a good excuse |
| 03:30.56 | njs | I'd really like to get back into it, but *shrug*. The band here sucks, and the orchestra doesn't care about trombones. Hard to do much. |
| 03:31.24 | lurgyman | yeah... i'd like to be in orchestra here, but the trombone section in orch. is full of grad students |
| 03:31.28 | lurgyman | and i'm a lowly freshman |
| 03:31.42 | njs | ik |
| 03:32.24 | lurgyman | the band is decent, tho... so i'll lie low until the grads leave |
| 03:32.57 | njs | yeah, I'd probably have the same problem. I know I was good, but I'd have to really practice to get back up there, and that's hard without anyone to play with (or even a reasonable practice space) |
| 03:33.03 | lurgyman | http://llama.bzflag.net:3000/composers/Mahler_Gustav/symphony_03/ |
| 03:33.23 | lurgyman | where are you? |
| 03:33.29 | njs | Berkeley |
| 03:33.35 | lurgyman | no school of music? |
| 03:33.37 | captain_proton | lurgyman: sitting right next to you, you doofus |
| 03:33.49 | lurgyman | ~fishslap captain_proton |
| 03:33.53 | | ACTION slaps captain_proton up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 03:35.43 | njs | lurgyman: there is, but it's not that good. I was in the band for a semester; it was horrible. |
| 03:36.14 | lurgyman | i guess berkeley being berkeley, the fantastic tech school, i'm not too horribly shocked |
| 03:36.18 | lurgyman | bummer, tho |
| 03:36.45 | lurgyman | univ. colorado has an... above average music program |
| 03:36.48 | njs | lurgyman: it doesn't help that the high school group I mentioned before was _incredibly_ cool. It was restricted to 7th-12th grade, but we had this insane genius conductor and sounded like a professional group. |
| 03:37.10 | lurgyman | nice |
| 03:37.43 | KeyserSoze | how is 7-12 a restriction? |
| 03:37.53 | KeyserSoze | aren't most HS bands 9-12? |
| 03:38.09 | lurgyman | yeah |
| 03:38.17 | njs | she'd rewrite all the parts... "Trombones, what do you have at 173?" "Uh... 2 measures of rests." "a REST?!? *scribbles notes to herself* Not anymore!" |
| 03:38.17 | lurgyman | ours was 10-12, actually |
| 03:38.42 | njs | It wasn't actually a HS band, it was independent; just for HS age kids. |
| 03:39.25 | lurgyman | ours was a maniacal trumpet-playing sycophant |
| 03:39.50 | KeyserSoze | was the conductor a volunteer? |
| 03:39.56 | lurgyman | our band program was so marching-obsessed that the marching sound bled into everything else |
| 03:40.01 | lurgyman | no, he got paid |
| 03:40.05 | lurgyman | by the district |
| 03:42.25 | njs | KeyserSoze: Umm, not really. She paid herself whatever was left over after buying percussion and stuff. (The group owned instruments were beautiful.) |
| 03:42.43 | KeyserSoze | where'd funding come from? |
| 03:42.43 | njs | KeyserSoze: I don't think she actually made more than ~$10,000 a year, but it was her life. |
| 03:43.01 | njs | KeyserSoze: it was ~$400/year for us |
| 03:50.13 | merlin262 | anyone still in here? |
| 03:50.57 | merlin262 | anyone else? |
| 03:50.57 | merlin262 | :P |
| 03:51.08 | merlin262 | what's up Xentac? |
| 03:51.08 | Xentac | see what I mean?!? |
| 03:51.15 | merlin262 | hehe |
| 03:51.29 | Xentac | not too much... |
| 03:51.40 | Xentac | getting my comic fix... then I'm hoping to play some monkey island 2... then go to sleep... |
| 03:54.08 | merlin262 | humbug |
| 03:54.44 | captain_proton | hehehe |
| 03:54.56 | njs | all math is real and made up. |
| 03:55.11 | merlin262 | hey scanline, you know a good 3d modelor? |
| 03:55.15 | merlin262 | or a good blender tutorial |
| 03:55.17 | scanline | merlin262: blender? |
| 03:55.27 | merlin262 | if you can figure out how to use it... |
| 03:55.54 | Xentac | tough interface.. learn the hotkeys... |
| 03:56.51 | scanline | wow.. this looks more like a superquadric than I'd expect for math I came up with =) |
| 04:02.59 | captain_proton | scanline: commit! |
| 04:03.38 | scanline | it's still worse that what's in svn now |
| 04:03.46 | scanline | I don't have high expectations for my math |
| 04:07.54 | merlin262 | damn, why must I suck so much at the 3d modeling? |
| 04:08.05 | captain_proton | merlin262: its the curse of all programmers |
| 04:08.14 | merlin262 | hrm. |
| 04:08.32 | merlin262 | scanline has me in the mood to do some gamedev |
| 04:08.40 | merlin262 | and ehre I sit, completely unable to make even a simple model |
| 04:08.42 | merlin262 | behhhhhhhhh |
| 04:09.13 | scanline | bah, don't use those old-fashined polygon modelers.. start writing us some equations for the surface of a ship! |
| 04:09.33 | merlin262 | haha |
| 04:09.42 | merlin262 | scanline: what type of gameplay are you going for? |
| 04:09.46 | merlin262 | damn |
| 04:09.48 | merlin262 | omfg |
| 04:09.50 | merlin262 | idea |
| 04:10.01 | merlin262 | w00t |
| 04:10.05 | scanline | ? |
| 04:10.11 | scanline | merlin262: starfoxish |
| 04:10.27 | merlin262 | scanline: you know how povray works right? |
| 04:10.38 | scanline | basically yeah |
| 04:10.38 | merlin262 | why not make models in python? |
| 04:11.02 | scanline | we will be making models in python, at least indirectly |
| 04:11.19 | merlin262 | eg, in python define the equations for the hull, etc... |
| 04:11.33 | scanline | well, defining the equations in python would be slow |
| 04:11.45 | merlin262 | the engine could cache it |
| 04:11.50 | scanline | not really |
| 04:11.58 | merlin262 | hrm. |
| 04:12.22 | scanline | there's no need to define the functions in python |
| 04:12.32 | merlin262 | hmm... |
| 04:12.46 | scanline | we'll have a good set of them defined in C++ that could have their parameters altered from python |
| 04:13.15 | merlin262 | that's basically what I meant |
| 04:13.21 | scanline | spheres, perlin noise, midpoint displacement, polyhedrons, NURBS, superquadrics, atmosphere models, clouds, water... |
| 04:13.26 | merlin262 | but, if you could define an initial model in python |
| 04:13.36 | merlin262 | then the engine stores the model |
| 04:13.41 | scanline | well, that's sort of what JetCOW is for... |
| 04:13.52 | merlin262 | just like povray |
| 04:14.11 | scanline | All the objects that are part of the scene will be subclasses of JetCOWObject, so you could use python to set them up and add them to a JetCOW database, then they would be read back as needed |
| 04:20.31 | scanline | captain_proton: when's the movie? |
| 04:22.54 | lurgyman | leaving time! |
| 04:22.55 | captain_proton | scanline: in 15 minutes |
| 04:23.06 | lurgyman | scanline: ...is when it starts |
| 04:23.16 | scanline | and ventures into the hallway! |
| 04:23.26 | lurgyman | captain_proton somehow feels the need to wear pants |
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| 05:13.03 | gonkulator | hi laodamas |
| 05:16.23 | njs | gonkulator: not sure if I'm actually doing the contest, but atm bored and playing with it, so a few questions :-) |
| 05:16.58 | njs | gonkulator: the main one being, how many cars are you actually using for the test run? |
| 05:17.29 | njs | gonkulator: (I assume not 3, but the number matters a lot for how scalable algorithms one has to use) |
| 05:18.04 | gonkulator | njs: assume an infinite number of cars :) |
| 05:18.17 | njs | ...so all algorithms have to be O(1). check ;-) |
| 05:24.48 | gonkulator | laodamas: did you get a copy? |
| 05:24.54 | gonkulator | erm... you don't do C, do you |
| 05:25.51 | njs | oh, and how much stack does gcc gives programs under OS X? :-) |
| 05:26.09 | laodamas | gonkulator: Yes I do, but I dont have nearly as much experience as I should |
| 05:26.09 | gonkulator | njs: I haven't exhausted it yet (at least with a working program) :) |
| 05:26.24 | gonkulator | laodamas: would you like a copy of the requirements for the contest? |
| 05:26.40 | gonkulator | njs: is it a good contest? |
| 05:26.46 | laodamas | gonkulator: Why not |
| 05:26.50 | njs | gonkulator: well, mine's ~8MiB, and I bet you could run that out pretty quick with a fully recursive program processing infinitely many cars ;-) |
| 05:27.05 | njs | gonkulator: *shrug* how would I know? I've never done one of these before :-) |
| 05:27.14 | laodamas | njs: You have 4GB to work with :) |
| 05:27.43 | gonkulator | chris.howard@colorado.EDU? |
| 05:27.43 | gonkulator | or |
| 05:27.43 | gonkulator | christopher.howard |
| 05:27.55 | njs | gonkulator: Looks like it to me, though. I guess I would have liked more details, but that's just because I'm anal that way :-) |
| 05:28.02 | njs | laodamas: of _stack_? |
| 05:28.12 | laodamas | gonkulator: a9f4 AT mac.com |
| 05:28.53 | laodamas | njs: Of allocation space (depends upon your OS) |
| 05:29.21 | njs | laodamas: yeah, but I was asking about stack specifically. |
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| 05:30.54 | gonkulator | bah |
| 05:30.57 | gonkulator | stupid lag |
| 05:31.54 | laodamas | njs: I am not 100% sure, but you should have at least 2GB avalible for stack space. |
| 05:32.07 | laodamas | I will see if I can get a better answer out of scanline |
| 05:32.22 | gonkulator | njs: unless you go recursive uncontrollably, you should be ok |
| 05:33.28 | njs | gonkulator: hmm, okay |
| 05:33.46 | njs | gonkulator: is 65535 a sufficiently close approximation to infinity? |
| 05:36.32 | gonkulator | here is what I did |
| 05:36.33 | gonkulator | 6499 |
| 05:36.33 | gonkulator | Segmentation fault |
| 05:36.42 | gonkulator | thats how many times it recursed before blowing up |
| 05:36.48 | gonkulator | so lets just say 6000 |
| 05:36.57 | njs | what is that number? stack depth? |
| 05:37.08 | gonkulator | I think so |
| 05:37.59 | gonkulator | int x = 0; |
| 05:37.59 | gonkulator | int rectest(int x) |
| 05:37.59 | gonkulator | { |
| 05:38.00 | gonkulator | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:38.02 | gonkulator | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:38.04 | gonkulator | } |
| 05:38.10 | gonkulator | int main(int argc, char **argv) |
| 05:38.12 | gonkulator | { |
| 05:38.15 | gonkulator | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:38.16 | gonkulator | } |
| 05:39.27 | gonkulator | hi laodamas |
| 05:39.31 | njs | gonkulator: if you run http://njs.ddts.net/~njs/stack-size.c in gdb, and print out the value of 'size' when it crashes, that should tell you your stack size in bytes, give or take a few thousand (and maybe with the wrong sign, depending on which way your stack grows) |
| 05:39.32 | gonkulator | laodamas: what are you doing to me? |
| 05:39.41 | njs | (that's what I used to get the 8MiB number) |
| 05:39.53 | gonkulator | oh |
| 05:40.06 | laodamas | gonkulator: Just playing with CTCP |
| 05:40.28 | gonkulator | well, I have run my copy of the program on stuff, and if I know something will crash your program, I won't do it |
| 05:40.39 | njs | (I tried briefly to get it to print out the number itself from a signal handler, but it didn't work, so *shrug*, gdb does :-)) |
| 05:40.57 | gonkulator | njs: I am going to use more than 3 cars, but less than 20 |
| 05:41.09 | njs | Oh. never mind then. |
| 05:41.13 | gonkulator | but maybe more than 20 |
| 05:41.21 | gonkulator | not more than the size of the stack |
| 05:41.24 | njs | (I was imagining a few thousand or something, to really give the programs some room to work :-)) |
| 05:41.33 | gonkulator | yeah |
| 05:41.48 | njs | (which would be fun, but yeah.) |
| 05:42.27 | njs | you should write a little program that reads the output files and displays a little animation of the cars |
| 05:43.14 | gonkulator | njs: not a bad idea :) |
| 05:43.24 | gonkulator | I could do it in PicoGUI! |
| 05:43.31 | njs | heh, right :-) |
| 05:43.57 | laodamas | gonkulator: Using the OpenGL module! |
| 05:44.11 | gonkulator | laodamas: mmm |
| 05:44.15 | njs | laodamas: with a first-person view ridealong view! |
| 05:48.40 | gonkulator | I might do it in... Java |
| 05:51.35 | laodamas | gonkulator: Why not VisualBASIC.net? |
| 05:52.17 | gonkulator | laodamas: because I do have half a brain |
| 05:54.24 | laodamas | gonkulator: Unlike some at the CU Game Programming club who write VB cell phone games |
| 07:27.30 | lurgyman | cough |
| 07:27.39 | lurgyman | let's try that again... |
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| 16:51.44 | takk|away | hey |
| 16:52.06 | ahnkana | hi |
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| 16:52.52 | gonkulator | hi ahnkana |
| 16:52.58 | ahnkana | howdy |
| 16:53.13 | ahnkana | lurgymani promised you quarters |
| 16:53.18 | ahnkana | would you like them |
| 16:53.25 | gonkulator | yes, I would |
| 16:54.02 | gonkulator | which sort of quarters are these |
| 16:54.02 | gonkulator | like living quarters, or quarter dollars or what? |
| 16:54.21 | ahnkana | laundry |
| 16:54.37 | gonkulator | and there weren't for me :) |
| 16:55.35 | ahnkana | eh? |
| 16:56.09 | ahnkana | so if i type "/msg lurgyman blah, blah. b |
| 16:56.20 | gonkulator | that would do something like this |
| 16:56.26 | ahnkana | will it send dan a note so he'll come get his quarters |
| 16:57.42 | gonkulator | it should |
| 16:57.52 | ahnkana | well i sent it |
| 16:57.56 | ahnkana | can you see it? |
| 16:57.57 | ahnkana | i cna |
| 16:57.58 | gonkulator | nope |
| 16:58.02 | gonkulator | I can't |
| 16:58.06 | ahnkana | i suppose it worked then |
| 16:58.10 | gonkulator | uh huh |
| 16:59.11 | scanline | http://jetstream.babylonia.flatirons.org/download/superellipsoid.png |
| 17:06.10 | gonkulator | scanline: nice |
| 17:20.30 | gonkulator | PicoBot: seen file |
| 17:20.31 | PicoBot | file was last seen on #picogui 14 hours, 53 minutes and 55 seconds ago, saying: your scary [Fri Dec 13 19:32:29 2002] |
| 17:20.42 | gonkulator | PicoBot: seen fragglet |
| 17:20.42 | PicoBot | fragglet was last seen on #picogui 1 days, 14 hours, 48 minutes and 28 seconds ago, saying: contradiction [Thu Dec 12 19:38:08 2002] |
| 17:25.14 | lurgyman | ahnkana: good morning |
| 17:27.55 | lurgyman | oops, doesn't open 'till 11 |
| 17:34.20 | gonkulator | hi lurgyman |
| 17:54.22 | takk|away | 16:49 * Xentac is away: beating up little kids |
| 17:54.29 | takk|away | does he do that often? |
| 17:54.39 | gonkulator | takk|away: childrens karate |
| 17:54.44 | takk|away | ah. |
| 17:55.36 | gonkulator | hey NonToxic |
| 17:55.43 | gonkulator | NonToxic: did you get a copy of the requirements? |
| 17:56.06 | gonkulator | NonToxic: for the programming contest |
| 17:56.27 | gonkulator | takk|away: what do you think, good contest? |
| 17:56.47 | takk|away | interesting and novel, certainly. |
| 17:56.49 | takk|away | interesting and novel, certainly. |
| 18:01.26 | gonkulator | hmmm.... |
| 18:01.39 | gonkulator | no NonToxic this morning I guess |
| 18:02.05 | NonToxic | yes I'm alive |
| 18:02.12 | NonToxic | I'm sorry, what requirementes? |
| 18:02.31 | NonToxic | gonkulator? |
| 18:03.04 | gonkulator | hehehe |
| 18:04.12 | NonToxic | Hm. |
| 18:04.20 | NonToxic | Where are these rules you speak of? |
| 18:04.25 | gonkulator | email |
| 18:04.41 | NonToxic | Heh |
| 18:04.43 | NonToxic | Ah ok |
| 18:04.49 | NonToxic | joshua at joshua wise dot com |
| 18:05.04 | gonkulator | joshuawise? |
| 18:05.15 | gonkulator | ok |
| 18:05.19 | NonToxic | Yes, that's my name |
| 18:06.33 | gonkulator | ok |
| 18:06.35 | gonkulator | tiz sent |
| 18:06.45 | NonToxic | Wheeee, can't wait 'til I've gotta upgrade to kde3.1 full! :P |
| 18:06.47 | NonToxic | Ok |
| 18:08.30 | takk|away | use phoenix" |
| 18:09.09 | NonToxic | phoenix is galeon except still bloated =) |
| 18:09.47 | gonkulator | chimera is galeon made into Aqua |
| 18:09.51 | gonkulator | for OS X |
| 18:10.58 | takk|away | phoenix isn't bloated. |
| 18:11.34 | NonToxic | "What the fack?!" |
| 18:11.41 | NonToxic | I think you should at least allow while(1)s. |
| 18:11.45 | NonToxic | or for(;;)s. |
| 18:11.50 | gonkulator | NonToxic: nope |
| 18:11.57 | gonkulator | purely recursive |
| 18:12.01 | NonToxic | hmm |
| 18:12.14 | gonkulator | it will help your coding skills :) |
| 18:12.15 | NonToxic | in that case I'll make it so that it'll stackfault unless you have 2gb of ram =) |
| 18:12.30 | gonkulator | crashing entries are an automatic loss ;) |
| 18:12.38 | NonToxic | but it won't crash! |
| 18:12.52 | NonToxic | it will compile and run on an OSX box running GCC3.1 whateverver! |
| 18:12.57 | NonToxic | just have to have 2gb! |
| 18:13.30 | NonToxic | awwwwww |
| 18:13.32 | NonToxic | heh |
| 18:13.40 | NonToxic | hm |
| 18:14.01 | gonkulator | anyway, the goal is speed |
| 18:14.03 | NonToxic | IMHO it should be required not to output to a file, but to a pg window =) |
| 18:15.17 | takk|away | that's silly |
| 18:16.10 | gonkulator | NonToxic: why don't you write a program that takes the output, and makes a pg animation thingy |
| 18:16.37 | NonToxic | naaah heh |
| 18:18.45 | NonToxic | hm |
| 18:19.13 | NonToxic | that can't be correct |
| 18:19.27 | NonToxic | 55, 70, 60 will cause a collision in the first time unit |
| 18:19.51 | gonkulator | thats the passing thing |
| 18:20.10 | NonToxic | yes |
| 18:20.41 | NonToxic | hold on |
| 18:22.36 | gonkulator | see the output... |
| 18:22.39 | gonkulator | the output explains it all |
| 18:22.44 | NonToxic | ok. |
| 18:22.54 | gonkulator | you don't even have to simulate the cars if you can figure out another way of generating the output |
| 18:23.16 | gonkulator | but the output must be the same for all cases |
| 18:23.27 | NonToxic | what do you mean? I've lost you again |
| 18:23.28 | NonToxic | heh |
| 18:23.45 | gonkulator | make sense? |
| 18:23.48 | NonToxic | as in, I will ONLY have those circumstances, right? |
| 18:23.54 | gonkulator | no... |
| 18:24.04 | NonToxic | uhhuh |
| 18:24.05 | gonkulator | there are going to be different car sets that I run through the thing |
| 18:24.09 | NonToxic | ok |
| 18:24.19 | NonToxic | ok, so I will only have 3 cards though, right? |
| 18:24.27 | gonkulator | no... you might have more |
| 18:24.39 | gonkulator | use proper dynamic memory allocation! |
| 18:24.40 | gonkulator | :) |
| 18:24.52 | NonToxic | mehh |
| 18:25.10 | NonToxic | will you run the same datasets through all apps? |
| 18:25.32 | gonkulator | each app will be judged with the same datasets |
| 18:25.45 | gonkulator | wouldn't be much of a competition otherwise |
| 18:25.48 | NonToxic | ok. |
| 18:26.07 | NonToxic | well, you could try to break one app that statically alloctes a zillion cars =] |
| 18:26.54 | gonkulator | I am not going to try to break it |
| 18:27.09 | gonkulator | at least, not the file IO part |
| 18:27.41 | NonToxic | ok |
| 18:27.42 | gonkulator | I know what breaks a poorly written simulation |
| 18:27.52 | gonkulator | cause I have a couple of those :p |
| 18:27.57 | NonToxic | heh |
| 18:28.04 | gonkulator | so that is the part I am testing |
| 18:28.15 | NonToxic | you should do something more interesting for the new year |
| 18:28.20 | NonToxic | for instance a fireworks sim =) |
| 18:28.33 | gonkulator | but that requires graphics programming |
| 18:28.37 | NonToxic | SDL |
| 18:28.49 | gonkulator | and as soon as graphics programming comes into play, it isn't a competition anymore |
| 18:28.58 | gonkulator | scanline would whip everyone's ass |
| 18:29.06 | NonToxic | Yeah it is. just require that everyone uses SDL heh |
| 18:29.13 | gonkulator | still |
| 18:29.28 | takk|away | I'd use SDL |
| 18:29.32 | takk|away | and then opengl as well :p |
| 18:29.39 | NonToxic | speaking of SDL I just broke SDL. |
| 18:29.39 | NonToxic | heh |
| 18:29.59 | gonkulator | there, I got a web page |
| 18:30.07 | NonToxic | Which is a Bad Thing because I'm writing a math project (gravity sim) in C with SDL. |
| 18:30.16 | gonkulator | http://ocelot.mscd.edu/~brandon/requirements.txt |
| 18:30.37 | takk|food | 3~/clear |
| 18:30.47 | takk|food | hm. I hate spurious characters. |
| 18:31.17 | NonToxic | Spurious characters != fun.M |
| 18:31.22 | NonToxic | Uhhh. heh |
| 18:34.58 | NonToxic | whee |
| 18:35.09 | NonToxic | recursion is fun |
| 18:35.09 | NonToxic | void whileok((int)(*function())) |
| 18:35.09 | NonToxic | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:35.09 | NonToxic | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:36.03 | NonToxic | ooh nifty |
| 18:36.06 | NonToxic | an xmms ipv6 patch |
| 18:39.57 | gonkulator | NonToxic: see, I told you recursion will help you out :) |
| 18:40.10 | gonkulator | recursion is fun |
| 18:40.28 | NonToxic | heh |
| 18:41.17 | ahnkana | scanline: you there? |
| 18:41.26 | gonkulator | ahnkana: nope |
| 18:41.30 | gonkulator | ahnkana: he is still asleep |
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| 18:41.45 | gonkulator | ahnkana: it will probably be about an hour and a half tops |
| 18:41.53 | gonkulator | prpplague: did you get the contest requirements? |
| 18:41.59 | ahnkana | their door was just open |
| 18:42.05 | ahnkana | i figure one of them is awake |
| 18:42.12 | gonkulator | prolly Michael |
| 18:42.21 | ahnkana | well alright then |
| 18:42.26 | gonkulator | actually... definately Michael |
| 18:42.32 | ahnkana | how do you know? |
| 18:42.33 | gonkulator | scanline doesn't leave the door open |
| 18:42.38 | ahnkana | good point |
| 18:43.02 | ahnkana | he does occasionally, but usually when michael leaves and he doesn't want to get up |
| 18:43.14 | gonkulator | yeah |
| 18:43.24 | ahnkana | well alright then |
| 18:43.32 | ahnkana | how come he is only sleeping for two hours? |
| 18:43.40 | ahnkana | he was on an hour agao |
| 18:43.46 | ahnkana | i asked PicoBot |
| 18:43.54 | ahnkana | PicoBot: waver |
| 18:43.54 | PicoBot | ahnkana: i'm not following you... |
| 18:43.55 | gonkulator | :) |
| 18:43.55 | ahnkana | opps |
| 18:43.58 | gonkulator | PicoBot: seen scanline |
| 18:43.58 | PicoBot | scanline was last seen on #picogui 1 hours, 44 minutes and 47 seconds ago, saying: http://jetstream.babylonia.flatirons.org/download/superellipsoid.png [Sat Dec 14 10:05:05 2002] |
| 18:43.59 | ahnkana | PicoBot: wave |
| 18:44.02 | gonkulator | oh yeah |
| 18:44.13 | ahnkana | hehe |
| 18:44.13 | prpplague | gonkulator: contest for what? |
| 18:44.22 | gonkulator | prpplague: programming contest for fun |
| 18:44.33 | prpplague | gonkulator: no, whats the deal? |
| 18:44.38 | gonkulator | prpplague: http://ocelot.mscd.edu/~brandon/requirements.txt |
| 18:44.53 | prpplague | not like i don't have enough projects to keep me busy for 3 lifetimes |
| 18:45.42 | gonkulator | :) |
| 18:45.47 | gonkulator | this is a fun little quickie |
| 18:46.42 | gonkulator | hi scanline |
| 18:46.46 | scanline | hi |
| 18:47.03 | prpplague | ya well i'm afraid i don't have an evening to spare, i have 3 major projects in the works right now......i really should be working on them now |
| 18:47.16 | gonkulator | ok |
| 18:47.42 | prpplague | gonkulator: thanks though |
| 18:48.39 | gonkulator | prpplague: yep |
| 18:49.12 | ahnkana | scanline: hi |
| 18:49.23 | scanline | ho |
| 18:49.26 | scanline | err, hi |
| 18:49.29 | ahnkana | lol |
| 18:49.38 | ahnkana | can i borrow sg1 again? |
| 18:49.46 | ahnkana | i only want season1, disk2 |
| 18:50.01 | ahnkana | i am trying to watch in order |
| 18:50.54 | NonToxic | gonkulator, will we assume that speed will stay reasonable? (no more than 200mph or so?) |
| 18:51.14 | NonToxic | and can we assume that an ID can be 8bit as well? |
| 18:51.16 | ahnkana | i guess that's a no |
| 18:51.39 | gonkulator | NonToxic: I won't gurantee the speed |
| 18:51.47 | gonkulator | but yes, the ID can be a byte long |
| 18:52.00 | NonToxic | ok |
| 18:53.41 | NonToxic | ok |
| 18:53.41 | NonToxic | hmm |
| 18:54.47 | takk|food | hm. |
| 18:54.52 | takk|food | gonkulator: why did you outlaw switch()? |
| 18:55.00 | takk|food | it's just a glorified if(), after all |
| 18:55.03 | gonkulator | takk|food: I felt like it |
| 18:55.27 | gonkulator | and it is faster than if()s |
| 18:55.44 | gonkulator | as it is a jump table |
| 18:55.49 | takk|food | hm, true. |
| 19:02.41 | ahnkana | being finals and all |
| 19:02.55 | gonkulator | makes you wonder why he signed off |
| 19:03.03 | ahnkana | yea, kinda |
| 19:03.23 | ahnkana | prolly tired of me asking to borrow sg1, but how else am i going to watch it...just taking it isn't very nice |
| 19:05.04 | gonkulator | yeah |
| 19:07.18 | ahnkana | so how does one resolve a conflict like that |
| 19:07.34 | gonkulator | one studies for the finals coming up |
| 19:07.39 | ahnkana | i have only asked once, he is the only source of sg1....i have |
| 19:07.41 | ahnkana | bah |
| 19:07.53 | ahnkana | breaks are good sometimes too |
| 19:07.58 | gonkulator | yep |
| 19:08.18 | ahnkana | well w/e...i don't feel like dealing with schizo crap today |
| 19:08.23 | ahnkana | gtg |
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| 19:19.10 | gonkulator | hey darth_balls |
| 19:19.14 | darth_balls | hi gonkulator |
| 19:19.37 | gonkulator | darth_balls: did ja get the requirements? |
| 19:19.38 | darth_balls | gonkulator: is it too late to get admitted to metro for next semester? |
| 19:19.49 | gonkulator | darth_balls: I don't think so |
| 19:19.52 | darth_balls | ok |
| 19:20.01 | gonkulator | let me check the web site |
| 19:20.07 | darth_balls | if I can't get into boulder or cu denver I may apply there today |
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| 19:21.24 | gonkulator | darth_balls: the application deadline for someone who is older than 19 for the spring semseter is Jan 20th |
| 19:21.51 | gonkulator | darth_balls: so you better get it in soon if you want to register for classes :) |
| 19:21.51 | darth_balls | does that include being 19? |
| 19:21.58 | gonkulator | I think so |
| 19:22.01 | darth_balls | ok |
| 19:22.05 | gonkulator | anyway, you have time |
| 19:22.10 | darth_balls | ggod |
| 19:22.23 | gonkulator | I would be so happy if you went to Metro! |
| 19:22.24 | file | my new desk is very nice |
| 19:22.28 | gonkulator | file: nifty |
| 19:22.34 | file | yeah]\ |
| 19:23.19 | gonkulator | darth_balls: I spend so much time on campus because thats where I work |
| 19:23.41 | gonkulator | darth_balls: it would be nice to have someone to have lunch with twice a week :) |
| 19:24.27 | darth_balls | are cu denver and metro on the same campus |
| 19:24.28 | darth_balls | ?? |
| 19:24.34 | gonkulator | yes, they are |
| 19:24.36 | darth_balls | k |
| 19:24.47 | gonkulator | there are actually three schools on the auraria campus |
| 19:25.02 | gonkulator | Metro, CU at Denver, and Community College of Denver (CCD) |
| 19:25.02 | darth_balls | so, hopefully I can get into cu denver (that would make transferring to boulder easier) but we can still have lunch etc. |
| 19:25.05 | file | mmm nah... |
| 19:25.10 | file | I need to cleanup wires and stuff |
| 19:25.13 | gonkulator | darth_balls: yup yup |
| 19:25.38 | darth_balls | my roommates had a party last night, and some drunk kid broke the nice, framed print of Starry night that my mom gave me |
| 19:25.45 | darth_balls | I am *very* unhappy |
| 19:26.22 | darth_balls | thanks |
| 19:31.15 | file | I wonder... |
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| 19:44.21 | file | hi scanline |
| 19:44.37 | scanline | hi file and captain_proton |
| 19:57.20 | captain_proton | dadada |
| 20:13.30 | NonToxic | Ahrrgh |
| 20:13.35 | NonToxic | Anyone really familiar with sscanf? |
| 20:19.39 | file | done |
| 20:32.54 | Xentac | NonToxic: what do you need to know about sscanf? |
| 20:33.11 | gonkulator | hey Xentac |
| 20:33.11 | file | THERE! |
| 20:33.22 | gonkulator | Xentac: did you get my email? |
| 20:33.28 | file | apparently I had no phone number on my Paypal debit card, so they put a block on it |
| 20:33.31 | file | it's removed now though :) |
| 20:33.34 | Xentac | gonkulator: I did... I don't know how smart I am though :P |
| 20:33.35 | file | already paid a bill |
| 20:33.42 | gonkulator | file: did you get the email? |
| 20:33.54 | file | gonkulator: eh er? no. |
| 20:34.07 | gonkulator | http://ocelot.mscd.edu/~brandon/requirements.txt |
| 20:34.41 | file | k |
| 20:35.20 | file | scary |
| 20:35.36 | gonkulator | Xentac: totally up to you :) |
| 20:35.51 | gonkulator | Xentac: let your brain chew on the problem for a few days, then code it in a night |
| 20:35.51 | Xentac | I know... that's the problem :P |
| 20:35.58 | Xentac | I wish |
| 20:36.02 | gonkulator | thats what I did |
| 20:36.21 | Xentac | yes, but I'm not you... and you understand the whole thing better than I do |
| 20:36.33 | Xentac | now... I have a question.. |
| 20:36.48 | gonkulator | yep |
| 20:36.57 | Xentac | if a car wants to pass but can't, it slows down to the speed of the car in front of it, correct? |
| 20:37.05 | gonkulator | right |
| 20:37.42 | file | I hope the places I tried to use my Paypal card at don't try to charge it again |
| 20:38.05 | gonkulator | file: make sure they don't by draining your paypal account |
| 20:38.06 | Xentac | and there's no acceleration or decleration... you just /are/ at that speed |
| 20:38.14 | gonkulator | Xentac: right |
| 20:38.19 | Xentac | ok |
| 20:38.35 | gonkulator | these cars are capable of infinite acceleration (distance units per time units) :) |
| 20:38.57 | Xentac | hehehe |
| 20:39.00 | Xentac | good good |
| 20:39.39 | Xentac | "The number of cars is fixed for the simulation" how many? 3? |
| 20:39.44 | gonkulator | Xentac: it would be easy enough to make acceleration something that was a factur |
| 20:39.59 | gonkulator | no, the number of cars is fixed for the duration of the simulation |
| 20:40.06 | gonkulator | you don't know how many are going to be in there |
| 20:40.09 | Xentac | so there is a dynamic number of cars.. |
| 20:40.15 | Xentac | but none show up in the middle of simulation |
| 20:40.23 | gonkulator | right |
| 20:42.04 | Xentac | just so that I don't have to read this output too much... |
| 20:42.19 | gonkulator | uh huh |
| 20:42.43 | Xentac | a car that is < it's speed + 10 distance units away from a car will go the distance units at that speed, and then slow down 10 away from the next car |
| 20:42.44 | Xentac | right? |
| 20:43.18 | Xentac | ie. a car going 70 behind a car going 55 (and a distance of... say... 60) will slow down 50 distance units away |
| 20:43.24 | Xentac | er... |
| 20:43.29 | Xentac | will slow down after 50 distance units |
| 20:43.31 | gonkulator | it will slow down if it can't pass |
| 20:43.37 | Xentac | and keep a steady 10 distance units |
| 20:43.37 | Xentac | ok |
| 20:43.55 | gonkulator | if it can't pass, it uses its perfect brakes to stay 10 distance units behind the car in front of it |
| 20:44.04 | Xentac | ok |
| 20:44.05 | gonkulator | and it can't pass if another car is passing it |
| 20:44.09 | gonkulator | :) |
| 20:44.13 | Xentac | and... what sort of size are we looking for for source code? ;o) |
| 20:44.46 | gonkulator | as small as possible, but speed should be your first concern |
| 20:46.28 | gonkulator | not for the last few days |
| 20:46.45 | Xentac | last few days being... before she gave birth? |
| 20:46.46 | gonkulator | last I heard, Vitoria was a cranky hungry baby :) |
| 20:46.50 | Xentac | ah |
| 20:47.14 | gonkulator | oooh |
| 20:47.14 | gonkulator | ok |
| 20:47.21 | gonkulator | they got a kitty too :) |
| 20:47.25 | Xentac | I figured I'd give you guys a heads up, but if you already knew... |
| 20:47.34 | gonkulator | ype |
| 20:47.35 | gonkulator | yep |
| 20:47.39 | gonkulator | we have seen pictures |
| 20:48.01 | Xentac | damn... |
| 20:48.04 | gonkulator | brb, food |
| 20:50.31 | file | gonkulator: pictures??? where??? |
| 20:52.14 | scanline | captain_proton: metaballs!! |
| 20:54.08 | scanline | ARGH! |
| 20:54.10 | scanline | PATENTS |
| 20:54.29 | gonkulator | whats pattented? |
| 20:54.46 | scanline | not metaballs, but one of the best algorithms for rendering them |
| 20:55.15 | gonkulator | how hard is it to come up with one of your own? |
| 20:55.31 | Xentac | I see... meta-metaballs are patented |
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| 20:56.16 | gonkulator | PicoBot: seen prpplague |
| 20:56.17 | PicoBot | prpplague was last seen on #openzaurus 1 hours, 39 minutes and 31 seconds ago, saying: aman: if you are doing this by hand, you want DIP [Sat Dec 14 12:22:40 2002] |
| 20:56.28 | scanline | well, it's not just for metaballs... |
| 20:56.43 | scanline | it's the "marching cubes" algorithm... for rendering isosurfaces in voxel data |
| 20:57.00 | scanline | metaballs are an isosurface in a 3D gravity field |
| 20:57.01 | gonkulator | oh, ok |
| 20:57.17 | scanline | ha |
| 20:57.24 | scanline | http://www.cfxweb.net/~aggrav8d/tutorials/metaballs.html |
| 20:57.25 | Xentac[laptop] | gonkulator: I'm with you... |
| 20:57.31 | scanline | there's a good intro |
| 20:57.47 | scanline | http://www.cs.wpi.edu/~matt/courses/cs563/talks/metaballs.html |
| 20:57.48 | scanline | or that |
| 20:57.57 | prpplague | gonkulator: yes? |
| 20:57.58 | gonkulator | scanline: thanks |
| 20:58.06 | prpplague | gonkulator: i'm busy upgrading my sons robot |
| 20:58.12 | gonkulator | prpplague: ok |
| 20:58.16 | gonkulator | enjoy :) |
| 20:58.43 | scanline | it's not too insane to do metaballs in realtime... and it would be good for some types of character modeling |
| 20:59.26 | Xentac[laptop] | oh I see... metaballs are like the 3D version of plasma ;o) |
| 21:01.21 | Xentac[laptop] | gonkulator: what was that programming contest URL again? |
| 21:01.51 | gonkulator | http://ocelot.mscd.edu/~brandon/requirements.txt |
| 21:02.04 | Xentac[laptop] | hehehe ocelot... |
| 21:02.14 | gonkulator | shit.... |
| 21:02.26 | gonkulator | North Korea is looking like they are going to attack us |
| 21:02.28 | Xentac[laptop] | what...? |
| 21:03.38 | gonkulator | North Korea is doing stuff... |
| 21:03.38 | captain_proton | scanline: NO METABALLS! |
| 21:03.45 | Xentac[laptop] | so... my brother ran into some stuff with his car... |
| 21:03.47 | scanline | why not? |
| 21:03.49 | gonkulator | captain_proton: do you not like metaballs? |
| 21:04.11 | captain_proton | gonkulator: i'd like to have -some- processor time left to use for gameplay |
| 21:04.27 | Xentac[laptop] | hehehe |
| 21:04.35 | gonkulator | looks like we are going to have to get vaccinated against small pox... |
| 21:04.36 | Xentac[laptop] | really simple AI because the processor is taking up too much for rendering! |
| 21:04.55 | gonkulator | Xentac[laptop]: I can write a simple AI that doesn't take much CPU :) |
| 21:04.56 | Xentac[laptop] | gonkulator: I thought they were only vaccinating the "important" people... |
| 21:05.06 | Xentac[laptop] | gonkulator: only if the entire game is connect four.. |
| 21:05.07 | gonkulator | Xentac[laptop]: not anymore |
| 21:05.23 | gonkulator | Xentac[laptop]: I am better at AIs than that.... |
| 21:06.03 | scanline | gonkulator: sure you are :) |
| 21:06.35 | gonkulator | scanline: I didn't say how much better :p |
| 21:06.44 | Xentac[laptop] | hehehe... gonkulator's adventure game. |
| 21:06.48 | Xentac[laptop] | "You see a troll" |
| 21:06.56 | Xentac[laptop] | "The troll pulls out a connect four game" |
| 21:07.09 | scanline | half of my finals are open book :) |
| 21:07.09 | Xentac[laptop] | ;) |
| 21:07.28 | gonkulator | scanline: want to go over to Ben's house tonight and play pool? |
| 21:07.32 | scanline | algorizhems and probamability |
| 21:07.38 | scanline | gonkulator: no, I have a final at 7:30 |
| 21:07.45 | gonkulator | oh... |
| 21:07.54 | gonkulator | want to ditch to come play pool with Ben and I :p |
| 21:08.01 | scanline | but after that one I don't have any until tuesday |
| 21:08.04 | Xentac[laptop] | probamability? |
| 21:08.08 | gonkulator | scanline: oooh |
| 21:08.14 | gonkulator | hmm... |
| 21:08.41 | gonkulator | scanline: are you thinking what I'm thinking? |
| 21:08.57 | scanline | but gonkulator, where will we get enough coffee? |
| 21:09.11 | gonkulator | crap... you must have been :) |
| 21:09.33 | scanline | I could be up for that |
| 21:13.42 | Xentac[laptop] | that sucks... |
| 21:13.42 | gonkulator | thanks |
| 21:13.48 | Xentac[laptop] | our neighbour died about a week ago.. |
| 21:14.20 | Xentac[laptop] | her son just came by and said she died.. that sucks.. |
| 21:14.34 | gonkulator | how old was she? |
| 21:14.41 | Xentac[laptop] | old... |
| 21:14.47 | gonkulator | oh, ok |
| 21:14.55 | Xentac[laptop] | 70, 80... something like that |
| 21:15.01 | Xentac[laptop] | it was probably natural |
| 21:15.03 | Xentac[laptop] | but she was nice |
| 21:15.12 | Xentac[laptop] | she used to bring over vegetables when she had too many and stuff |
| 21:15.28 | Xentac[laptop] | and we'd help her move heavy things in her house/garden (when there was nobody else to) |
| 21:16.23 | Xentac[laptop] | she had this thing with her eyes... you know... when one doesn't look in the right direction... |
| 21:16.39 | gonkulator | lazy eye |
| 21:16.50 | Xentac[laptop] | that's probably it |
| 21:17.06 | Xentac[laptop] | not like it matters to you guys... I'm just trying to remember |
| 21:17.34 | Xentac[laptop] | bwahahaha |
| 21:17.47 | file | mmm |
| 21:17.51 | Xentac[laptop] | cause "it don't matter if yer black or white"! |
| 21:18.41 | gonkulator | Michael Jackson: proof that any little black boy can grow up to be a rich white woman |
| 21:23.26 | gonkulator | anyway, tiz time for me to get back to my game |
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| 21:24.29 | file | hrmph |
| 21:25.28 | Xentac[laptop] | this falls into the category of "you know you're dating a geek when..." |
| 21:25.46 | Xentac[laptop] | we were going to a lan party... and my friend and my gf (at the time) were in the car |
| 21:25.56 | Xentac[laptop] | she's wondering what sort of food he has at his house |
| 21:26.17 | Xentac[laptop] | so she says, "what have you got?" and lists off a bunch of really instant stuff (instant noodles, soups, etc) |
| 21:26.21 | Xentac[laptop] | the guy was living by himself |
| 21:26.28 | Xentac[laptop] | he says no to all of them |
| 21:26.35 | Xentac[laptop] | then she says, "you don't even have KDE?" |
| 21:27.07 | Xentac[laptop] | it was because she'd hung around me too long |
| 21:27.17 | Xentac[laptop] | and she didn't even realize it |
| 21:30.33 | Xentac[laptop] | those were the good old days... |
| 21:30.40 | Xentac[laptop] | high school... not a worry in the world... |
| 21:30.50 | Xentac[laptop] | lots of free time... |
| 21:31.01 | Xentac[laptop] | lots of friends... |
| 21:31.03 | file | uh huh |
| 21:31.11 | Xentac[laptop] | lots of sex... |
| 21:31.12 | Xentac[laptop] | wait.. |
| 21:31.16 | Xentac[laptop] | did I say that out loud? |
| 21:31.54 | file | of course |
| 21:31.59 | Xentac[laptop] | oh, ok |
| 21:33.15 | Xentac[laptop] | that means I need to wear my tie... great... |
| 21:33.43 | Xentac[laptop] | maybe it's just my karate training... but I don't really like anything constricting around my neck... |
| 21:34.46 | Xentac[laptop] | a suit is different than a tuxedo you know.. |
| 21:35.14 | Xentac[laptop] | you know... you'll probably find times in your life when you think that owning a suit would be a good thing... |
| 21:35.20 | file | I know |
| 21:36.00 | Xentac[laptop] | my suit is a little too small for me though... |
| 21:36.06 | Xentac[laptop] | I've bulked up in the last little while... |
| 21:36.13 | file | also got cron and syslogd running |
| 21:36.16 | Xentac[laptop] | file: ummm... running cygwin or something...? |
| 21:36.19 | Xentac[laptop] | or a linux dist? |
| 21:36.27 | file | Interix actually |
| 21:36.32 | Xentac[laptop] | interix? |
| 21:36.34 | Xentac[laptop] | what is that? |
| 21:36.45 | file | it's Microsoft Services for UNIX |
| 21:36.54 | Xentac[laptop] | why? |
| 21:37.10 | Xentac[laptop] | dang it... there's a tkcloadrunner... |
| 21:37.20 | Xentac[laptop] | that's all fine and good... except I don't want to pay money for my loadrunner |
| 21:37.46 | Xentac[laptop] | oh, I see... |
| 21:37.56 | Xentac[laptop] | so... do any unix type stuff? |
| 21:38.01 | file | can't... start... X11R5 |
| 21:38.25 | file | nah |
| 21:38.25 | Xentac[laptop] | ummm... cause you already have a graphical server? |
| 21:38.31 | Xentac[laptop] | why not X11R6? |
| 21:38.36 | Xentac[laptop] | it's been out for a while ;o) |
| 21:38.42 | captain_proton | Xentac[laptop]: because he runs windows |
| 21:38.54 | file | lol |
| 21:38.57 | file | because that's what was included |
| 21:38.59 | Xentac[laptop] | captain_proton: and that only comes with X11R5? |
| 21:39.01 | Xentac[laptop] | bah |
| 21:39.08 | Xentac[laptop] | silly microsoft |
| 21:39.15 | captain_proton | Xentac[laptop]: microsoft's "unix services" package has an x r5 server |
| 21:39.16 | Xentac[laptop] | tricks are for kids |
| 21:39.25 | file | captain_proton: I can't find it |
| 21:39.32 | Xentac[laptop] | did they change the license for r6 or something? |
| 21:40.20 | scanline | captain_proton: jetstream does full-screen again |
| 21:40.36 | captain_proton | scanline: ooo |
| 21:40.39 | Xentac[laptop] | geez... what did I make this ssh key's password... |
| 21:40.45 | scanline | "./jetstream -f -m 1280x1024" :) |
| 21:41.37 | captain_proton | scanline: how does one make these primitives wireframe? |
| 21:42.22 | scanline | whoops... it doesn't uninitialize the fullscreen right |
| 21:42.30 | scanline | captain_proton: there's a new wireframe button in the console |
| 21:42.43 | scanline | and a button to launch the camera panel easily |
| 21:43.19 | captain_proton | great |
| 21:43.20 | scanline | it's doing backface culling correctly... the superellipsoid's mesh is still a little screwed up |
| 21:43.21 | captain_proton | X lost my mouse |
| 21:44.02 | scanline | I don't think it's shutting down pgserver correctly.. hence leaving it in fullscreen. will fix |
| 21:46.24 | captain_proton | how does one quit the game from the console? |
| 21:46.28 | scanline | ctrl-alt-/ |
| 21:46.40 | lurgyman | intuitive! |
| 21:46.48 | scanline | well, that's one of the pgserver 'magic keys' |
| 21:46.58 | captain_proton | oooh |
| 21:47.04 | captain_proton | my mouse works in jetstream |
| 21:47.05 | scanline | you could also use "engine.globals.engine.running = 0" |
| 21:47.07 | captain_proton | but not in not-jetstream |
| 21:47.17 | scanline | creepy |
| 21:47.38 | lurgyman | hmm... holographic.th is being unhappy |
| 21:47.56 | lurgyman | and i though i configureed the theme engine with the proper flags |
| 21:48.09 | lurgyman | Compiling holographic.ths -> holographic.th |
| 21:48.10 | lurgyman | Error on holographic.ths:112: parse error at "GL.vertex3f" |
| 21:48.10 | lurgyman | Error on holographic.ths:122: parse error at "shape_BeveledPanel" |
| 21:48.10 | lurgyman | Error on holographic.ths:122: parse error at "=" |
| 21:48.10 | lurgyman | Error on holographic.ths:122: parse error at "fillstyle" |
| 21:48.11 | scanline | lurgyman: hmm.. syntax errors near GL commands? |
| 21:48.12 | lurgyman | ...etc |
| 21:48.15 | lurgyman | yeah |
| 21:48.29 | scanline | normally it would do that if themec wasn't compiled with the GL headers |
| 21:48.43 | lurgyman | so i configure with the --enable-opengl, and all is happy right? |
| 21:48.46 | lurgyman | in theory? |
| 21:48.51 | scanline | in theory yes |
| 21:48.58 | scanline | captain_proton: committed fix to fullscreen uninit |
| 21:49.00 | lurgyman | hmm |
| 21:49.14 | scanline | lurgyman: try deleting themec's symtab.c and recompiling it |
| 21:50.53 | lurgyman | ok |
| 21:51.28 | scanline | try running this fixed jetstream then exiting from it.. might restore the mouse |
| 21:52.17 | lurgyman | ok, got past that |
| 21:52.18 | lurgyman | thx |
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| 21:53.30 | scanline | glad it worked |
| 21:54.13 | captain_proton | yay the mouse works again |
| 21:54.35 | captain_proton | but hell, i'm gonna restart X just to reclaim my RAM |
| 21:55.18 | *** part/#picogui captain_proton (~jupiter@aden2-23-dhcp.resnet.Colorado.EDU) |
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| 21:56.52 | lurgyman | hmm.... |
| 21:56.55 | scanline | jetstream compiles slow.. I blame C++ :) |
| 21:58.37 | Xentac[laptop] | hmmm... I bet recursive algorithms and the 'inline' statement don't like each other much, do they? |
| 22:00.40 | Xentac[laptop] | PicoBot: seen gonkulator |
| 22:00.40 | PicoBot | gonkulator was last seen on #picogui 37 minutes and 14 seconds ago, saying: anyway, tiz time for me to get back to my game [Sat Dec 14 14:29:21 2002] |
| 22:02.31 | lurgyman | Traceback (most recent call last): |
| 22:02.31 | lurgyman | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:02.31 | lurgyman | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:02.31 | lurgyman | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:02.31 | lurgyman | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:02.32 | lurgyman | ImportError: : shared object not open |
| 22:02.40 | lurgyman | ?? |
| 22:02.42 | scanline | !? |
| 22:02.56 | scanline | do you have a modules/JetEngine.so? |
| 22:03.25 | lurgyman | scanline: yep |
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| 22:14.58 | scanline | Xentac[laptop]: 1.21 jiggawatts |
| 22:17.10 | scanline | need to make a routine to calculate neighbor triangles in the seed mesh |
| 22:18.06 | Xentac[laptop] | 1.21 jiggawatts.. alrighty... |
| 22:18.12 | Xentac[laptop] | and which car moves first? |
| 22:18.22 | scanline | the first one |
| 22:18.44 | Xentac[laptop] | scanline: :P |
| 22:18.47 | Xentac[laptop] | you don't help me |
| 22:19.14 | scanline | lurgyman: gentoo! |
| 22:21.09 | file | I think I found something to fill one of my remaining 5.25" drive bays |
| 22:21.16 | lurgyman | scanline: yes i may have to sue them as well |
| 22:21.31 | file | a removable enclosure for one of my hardrives! |
| 22:21.35 | prpplague | file: your head? |
| 22:21.46 | prpplague | file: jk |
| 22:21.52 | file | for when I need to escape the Canadian Intelligence Agency |
| 22:22.13 | Xentac[laptop] | dude... you just need an EMP switch... |
| 22:22.20 | file | :) |
| 22:22.21 | prpplague | file: i'd be more worried about canadian customs |
| 22:22.24 | lurgyman | is that the organization that looks for canadian intelligence? |
| 22:22.37 | file | prpplague: they are evil |
| 22:22.41 | prpplague | lurgyman: naw, that would be a waste of money and resources |
| 22:22.41 | file | prpplague: I think they took my MMC too |
| 22:22.49 | lurgyman | and my duck |
| 22:22.51 | file | and this enclosure is only... $6.95!!! |
| 22:23.16 | prpplague | file: is that real money or canadian? |
| 22:23.20 | file | prpplague: USD |
| 22:23.41 | file | it's a little more than a glowing round IDE cable |
| 22:25.00 | Xentac[laptop] | ok... what should be in a termcap file...? |
| 22:25.11 | lurgyman | scanline: you could look in |
| 22:25.16 | scanline | just found it |
| 22:25.17 | lurgyman | ... |
| 22:25.19 | lurgyman | ok |
| 22:25.47 | prpplague | STL? |
| 22:25.48 | Xentac[laptop] | ah, I found it.. |
| 22:26.04 | scanline | prpplague: C++ standard template library |
| 22:26.25 | prpplague | ahh, should have guessed that one, just didn't get the context |
| 22:27.07 | file | darn it |
| 22:27.08 | file | anonyman is gone |
| 22:27.19 | file | I wanted turtle's hardrive back... it's only a tiny 250mb, but eh... |
| 22:28.04 | Xentac[laptop] | geez... what a great friend... the one I asked to go to the christmas party with me said that she went and got herself quite hickey'd last night... |
| 22:28.19 | file | lol |
| 22:29.19 | file | I think I might buy this enclosure with my new mouse |
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| 22:31.08 | Xentac[laptop] | and to top it all off... I decide (stupidly) to change to a console while in X... only then realizing that my laptop has this pecular bug that will kill X whenever you go to the console... |
| 22:32.27 | Xentac[laptop] | hopefully I still have a good time there... |
| 22:35.37 | Xentac[laptop] | quick... someone open an xterm and tell me what the TERM env variable is set to... |
| 22:40.34 | Xentac[laptop] | er iteration... |
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| 22:44.35 | flexo | hmm |
| 22:44.36 | flexo | -outputs the bytes read (excluding the final 0) in ascending order |
| 22:44.37 | flexo | (obviously, preserving the length of the file and the counts of the |
| 22:44.37 | flexo | individual characters). |
| 22:44.48 | flexo | ^ could anyone tell me what the 2. part means? |
| 22:44.54 | flexo | ("obviously, preserving...") |
| 22:45.20 | Xentac[laptop] | flexo: what's the context? |
| 22:46.08 | flexo | a contest, writing a program |
| 22:46.18 | Xentac[laptop] | is this from gonkulator's contest? |
| 22:46.22 | flexo | nah |
| 22:46.23 | flexo | http://brainfuck.sourceforge.net/current.html |
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| 22:54.51 | Xentac[laptop] | hmmm... is NULL 0 on OS X? |
| 22:55.08 | njs | Xentac: NULL is always 0 AFAIK |
| 22:55.19 | Xentac[laptop] | njs: well... for portability sake it isn't... |
| 22:55.33 | scanline | NULL is always 0 |
| 22:55.35 | scanline | always |
| 22:55.38 | Xentac[laptop] | really? |
| 22:55.46 | scanline | yes, really |
| 22:55.49 | njs | Xentac: well, perhaps, but it's still always false... |
| 22:56.15 | njs | and there aren't many non-zero false values in C, eh? :-) |
| 22:56.17 | Xentac[laptop] | but if you say so... it means less characters for me |
| 22:56.18 | Xentac[laptop] | hehehe |
| 22:56.23 | Xentac[laptop] | true enough |
| 22:56.24 | kergoth`bbl | Xentac[laptop]: its one of those things you probably rshouldnt rely on the assumption of, but most people do anyway. |
| 22:56.35 | Xentac[laptop] | kergoth`bbl: that's what I though! |
| 22:56.38 | Xentac[laptop] | er thought |
| 22:57.12 | scanline | bah.. NULL == 0 == false is just part of what makes C what it is |
| 22:57.16 | njs | In fact, IIRC, if 0 is a valid pointer, C compilers are required to map the 0 pointer to somewhere else that _will_ segfault if you access it. |
| 22:58.05 | njs | and in C++ the recommended practice is to just use 0, not NULL. I think NULL is just useful to avoid warnings about casting. |
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| 22:59.45 | Xentac[laptop] | hehehe... great... |
| 22:59.57 | Xentac[laptop] | I have a bunch of jibberish for this programming contest... |
| 23:00.05 | Xentac[laptop] | and I run it and it seg faults on me... |
| 23:01.23 | njs | Xentac: I think the recommended practice is to code first, obfuscate later. But maybe that's just me. |
| 23:01.39 | Xentac[laptop] | I like to have it semi-obfuscated first... |
| 23:01.46 | Xentac[laptop] | then truly obfuscate later |
| 23:03.29 | flexo | well, i was "real" coding for about 3 weeks now, i need a break ^^ |
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| 23:41.14 | captain_proton | yay for nvidia |
| 23:45.19 | lurgyman | i made a spaceship in blender |
| 23:45.24 | lurgyman | it's bewteeful |
| 23:45.28 | lurgyman | http://llama.bzflag.net:3000/documents/pixmaps/blender.png |
| 23:45.51 | scanline | nice texture on the lateral thrust adjustment nozzle |
| 23:46.35 | lurgyman | thanks... i spent many a microsecond clicking around there somewhere |
| 23:49.05 | flexo | lurgyman: looks like an xpilot spaceship ;) |
| 23:49.25 | flexo | that reminds me on xpilot |
| 23:49.51 | lurgyman | it's a spaceship that doubles as a lampshade! |
| 23:50.42 | njs | lurgyman: but that has the same problem those things always have; what if you need to use your spaceship and your lampshade at the same time? |
| 23:55.33 | lurgyman | thanks to the wonders of multitasking lampshades, you -can- do both |
| 23:55.44 | lurgyman | in fact, i think this is a hyperthreading lampshade spaceship |
| 23:56.25 | lurgyman | and a brand new shot of the spaceship, NEW! with more polygons! |
| 23:56.56 | lurgyman | http://llama.bzflag.net:3000/documents/pixmaps/blender.png |
| 23:56.57 | lurgyman | (again) |
| 23:57.12 | scanline | wow, if you look really close you can see the lightbulb |
| 23:57.36 | njs | scanline: that's the propulsion; it's one of those fancy sail-ships. |
| 23:58.02 | njs | scanline: see, they hold a light out behind, and the light from it hits the back of the ship... |
| 23:58.40 | scanline | wow, blender can do perpetual motion! |
| 23:59.13 | njs | but I still want to know if it can do perpetual frappe |
| 23:59.32 | lurgyman | we'll soon find out... mwa ha ha |
| 23:59.42 | scanline | hmm.. dinner... |
| 23:59.51 | njs | that's an intriguing idea. |
| 23:59.57 | njs | Can blender to dinner, too? |
