| 00:12:02 | Xentac | needs to get his hands on a dv camera... again... |
| 00:18:13 | Xentac | son of a... |
| 00:18:29 | Xentac | almost has enough to make eth over firewire work... between his laptop and his desktop... |
| 00:18:43 | Xentac | I'm just missing a module for a 2.4.17 kernel (it doesn't exist |
| 00:18:44 | Xentac | ) |
| 00:18:50 | Xentac | maybe it's time to upgrade my kernel on my desktop... |
| 00:33:51 | Xentac | new kernel... should I change to devfs? |
| 00:35:25 | file[downstairs] | http://stream.file-radio.com:9000/ |
| 00:35:33 | file[downstairs] | ER |
| 00:35:53 | file[downstairs] | http://stream.file-radio.com:8000/ |
| 00:36:35 | Xentac | notes it sounds like the chipmunks... |
| 00:36:48 | Xentac | you're fast forwarding! |
| 00:36:55 | file[downstairs] | lol |
| 00:36:59 | Xentac | quit it! |
| 00:37:00 | file[downstairs] | no I'm not |
| 00:37:17 | Xentac | that's what it sounds like |
| 00:37:20 | file[downstairs] | oh |
| 00:37:24 | file[downstairs] | that sucks |
| 00:37:29 | Xentac | sometimes it works well... then other times it's speeds up majorly |
| 00:37:35 | Xentac | are you only transmitting at 22khz? |
| 00:37:36 | file[downstairs] | the main server is overloaded |
| 00:38:12 | Xentac | stops listening then |
| 00:57:30 | Xentac | installs his new kernel now... |
| 00:58:45 | Xentac | and now... the reboot |
| 01:37:50 | Xentac | and all goes well.. |
| 01:38:07 | file[downstairs] | great |
| 01:38:28 | Xentac | except that I forgot devfs |
| 01:38:30 | Xentac | ah well |
| 01:38:33 | file[downstairs] | oh well |
| 01:38:34 | Xentac | next kernel upgrade... |
| 01:40:24 | file[downstairs] | watches Star Trek: Insurrection |
| 01:47:54 | Xentac | hey gonkulator |
| 01:47:55 | Xentac | hey DevGirl |
| 01:47:59 | gonkulator | hi Xentac |
| 01:48:00 | DevGirl | hiya |
| 01:48:06 | gonkulator | Xentac: how do I set up a jabber account |
| 01:48:11 | gonkulator | has a client now |
| 01:48:19 | Xentac | which client? |
| 01:48:24 | gonkulator | Nitro |
| 01:48:28 | gonkulator | it is an OS X client |
| 01:48:29 | Xentac | the client generally lets you set one up... |
| 01:48:31 | Xentac | nods... |
| 01:48:39 | gonkulator | this is super alpha... |
| 01:48:43 | Xentac | I could always create a client fo ryou... |
| 01:48:46 | file[downstairs] | yawns |
| 01:48:51 | Xentac | why are you using it if it's super alpha? |
| 01:48:55 | gonkulator | Xentac: would you? |
| 01:49:00 | Xentac | sure |
| 01:49:01 | gonkulator | it is the only OS X one they had that I saw |
| 01:49:04 | file[downstairs] | ack |
| 01:49:15 | file[downstairs] | Tux889 turned off the lights to make the cinema effect better |
| 01:49:31 | Xentac | there's also TVJab (just so you know) http://www.terravirtual.net/tvjab/ |
| 01:49:45 | gonkulator | clicks the link |
| 01:50:02 | DevGirl | is soooo tired |
| 01:50:27 | gonkulator | oh, this is carbon... |
| 01:50:29 | Xentac | gonkulator: username gonkulator? |
| 01:50:29 | gonkulator | nifty |
| 01:50:34 | Xentac | carbon? |
| 01:50:36 | gonkulator | Xentac: that would work |
| 01:50:41 | gonkulator | just the API it uses |
| 01:51:11 | lalo[out] | lives |
| 01:51:22 | gonkulator | hey |
| 01:51:28 | gonkulator | welcome back guys |
| 01:51:36 | gonkulator | lalo: how was your trip? |
| 01:51:54 | lalo | nice, thanks :-) |
| 01:52:22 | lalo | the tourism (I think she told you about our plans) wasn't as good as we expected... but work was great. |
| 01:52:54 | file[downstairs] | wb lalo |
| 01:52:56 | gonkulator | Xentac: I got TVJab |
| 01:53:04 | lalo | hi file |
| 01:53:04 | gonkulator | this looks to be pretty cool |
| 01:53:55 | Xentac | what part of it looks cool? |
| 01:54:32 | gonkulator | cool, I am connected to jabber now |
| 01:55:05 | Xentac | alrighty |
| 01:55:12 | Xentac | now add me as a contact... |
| 01:56:14 | DevGirl | ad me as a contact also ^^ |
| 01:56:22 | Xentac | DevGirl: you have jabber? |
| 01:56:24 | Xentac | didn't know that... |
| 01:56:34 | DevGirl | yeah, who hasn't? |
| 01:56:37 | DevGirl | :D |
| 01:56:45 | lalo | DevGirl: oh, you're already here. |
| 01:56:45 | gonkulator | DevGirl: add me!!!!! |
| 01:56:49 | gonkulator | is gonkulator |
| 01:56:54 | lalo | and DevGirl are lalo@laranja.org and mai@laranja.org |
| 01:56:58 | Xentac | points at scanline, carpman, kergoth, etc... |
| 01:57:05 | lalo | shows off his "/we" alias |
| 01:57:08 | DevGirl | bah! poor people ^^ |
| 01:57:15 | Xentac | gonkulator: you have to give server as well... so gonkulator@jabber.org |
| 01:57:37 | DevGirl | kicks the poor souls that don't use jabber |
| 01:57:40 | lalo | actually we have our own server ;-) scanline could probably set one up and have a @picogui.org jabber-id |
| 01:57:52 | gonkulator | is actually gonkulator@jabber.org as Xentac noted |
| 01:58:50 | gonkulator | ok |
| 01:58:52 | Xentac | hehehe |
| 01:58:56 | gonkulator | so who all is online and who isn't? |
| 01:59:02 | lalo | and DevGirl are |
| 01:59:11 | Xentac | would have set up his own jabber server, except that his server isn't as reliable as some of the other ones... |
| 01:59:22 | Xentac | lalo: you haven't authorized me yet |
| 01:59:32 | gonkulator | ooooh... Star Trek insurection has started |
| 01:59:36 | lalo | hm, actually I'm offline. |
| 01:59:47 | gonkulator | that explains it |
| 02:00:26 | lalo | done :-) |
| 02:00:46 | gonkulator | waits to be added :) |
| 02:01:19 | lalo | I sent requests |
| 02:01:33 | gonkulator | lalo: got it |
| 02:01:33 | Xentac | decides to dedicate some time to getting encryption working with jabber |
| 02:01:44 | DevGirl | is reading emails for three days |
| 02:01:48 | DevGirl | of |
| 02:01:50 | file[downstairs] | I feel like buying something |
| 02:02:01 | Xentac | and contact lists are stored server side... which is kinda nice ;o) |
| 02:02:05 | Xentac | (unlike icq) |
| 02:02:11 | gonkulator | yeah |
| 02:02:11 | Xentac | (but like most other IMs) |
| 02:02:18 | gonkulator | likes the whole server side connection storage |
| 02:02:32 | gonkulator | AIM does that |
| 02:02:37 | Xentac | the problem is when you want to change servers ;o) |
| 02:02:43 | file[downstairs] | I've got $14 in my Paypal account dying to be spent |
| 02:02:47 | Xentac | they're still working on an algorithm to do that |
| 02:03:16 | lalo | icq lists *are* stored server-side now |
| 02:03:25 | Xentac | lalo: really? |
| 02:03:33 | file[downstairs] | Xentac: yeah... you didn't know? |
| 02:03:38 | lalo | Xentac: you can export the jabber contact list to a file and import it back, in most clients |
| 02:03:42 | file[downstairs] | AIM stores it on there too, and so does Yahoo |
| 02:03:44 | Xentac | stopped using icq back when the protocol was version 95 or something... |
| 02:03:52 | lalo | I know gabber uses that at least |
| 02:03:55 | Xentac | lalo: yeah... but it still takes authentication time... |
| 02:03:57 | lalo | s/uses/does/ |
| 02:04:18 | gonkulator | well, now that I have three chat programs, I am set :) |
| 02:04:18 | lalo | bah, the icq protocol is now the same as aim |
| 02:04:28 | Xentac | uses psi... but might give gabber another chance... even though it uses programs like mozilla to display history :( |
| 02:04:34 | Xentac | lalo: gee, I wonder why ;o) |
| 02:04:59 | lalo | if you use a "clone" (eg non-official) client for either service, you can cross-add contacts (add UINs to your AIM list, or AOL nicks to your ICQ list) |
| 02:05:17 | Xentac | really? |
| 02:05:20 | lalo | yes |
| 02:05:22 | Xentac | so the servers are the same then |
| 02:05:26 | Xentac | funny |
| 02:05:43 | lalo | gabber uses the html viewer configured in the GNOME control panel (default GNOME html viewer) |
| 02:05:44 | gonkulator | needs some food |
| 02:05:57 | gonkulator | is away: food |
| 02:06:09 | Xentac | will try running the gnome control panel again... even though he doesn't run gnome... |
| 02:08:00 | Xentac | hmms... |
| 02:09:18 | file[downstairs] | pokes Xentac |
| 02:09:39 | merlin262 | hmm.... |
| 02:10:56 | scanline | is back (gone 06:09:12) |
| 02:11:46 | merlin262 | Welcome Back scanline |
| 02:11:55 | merlin262 | i take it gonkulator cancelled the contest |
| 02:11:56 | merlin262 | =( |
| 02:12:09 | Xentac | scanline: get a Jabber account... everyone else has one |
| 02:12:25 | scanline | I think I have one here somewhere... |
| 02:12:36 | lalo | hi scanline |
| 02:12:37 | scanline | thanks merlin262 |
| 02:12:39 | scanline | hi lalo |
| 02:12:39 | Xentac | scanline: yeah... but use it! ;o) |
| 02:12:45 | Xentac | merlin262: it's been postponed |
| 02:12:49 | merlin262 | i see |
| 02:13:10 | Xentac | time to evaluate the current jabber clients again |
| 02:13:57 | darth_balls | hey everyone |
| 02:14:23 | gonkulator | hi darth_balls |
| 02:14:31 | lalo | I probably should do that too, I can't remember why I'm using gaim |
| 02:15:02 | Xentac | I've tried some of the windows ones (I use windows at work) and they all suck |
| 02:15:20 | Xentac | this should be the "official" list: http://jabbercentral.org/clients/ |
| 02:15:23 | darth_balls | nice buddy icon gonkulator |
| 02:16:08 | Xentac | scanline: there's even a jabber client for your precious (sp?) emacs... |
| 02:16:50 | Xentac | hehehe... the BlackBerry can do Jabber |
| 02:17:05 | gonkulator | darth_balls: thanks |
| 02:17:17 | darth_balls | prepares for some minor surgery on Fission |
| 02:17:48 | Xentac | hmmm... Jarl supports encryption... |
| 02:17:59 | Xentac | but it does the whole single-window IM thing... ewww |
| 02:18:44 | lalo | there is a client for PicoGUI |
| 02:18:58 | Xentac | hehehe... does it support encryption? |
| 02:19:35 | lalo | I have no idea :-P |
| 02:19:55 | lalo | but I'm pretty sure there is nothing on the UI that is related to encryption |
| 02:20:12 | Xentac | encryption is a thing that not a lot of clients support |
| 02:20:24 | Xentac | wanted his client to support it... but he hasn't really worked on it for a while... |
| 02:23:08 | lalo | you might like to try out jabberpy |
| 02:23:12 | Xentac | wishes he worked for a company that was developing a really cool IM client... then he'd actually be working on it! |
| 02:24:14 | file[downstairs] | erms |
| 02:24:16 | file[downstairs] | sleep is good |
| 02:29:45 | gonkulator | makes some hot food |
| 02:29:48 | darth_balls | is getting ready to install the dreaded win2k |
| 02:30:01 | gonkulator | whoa... |
| 02:30:06 | gonkulator | feels bad for darth_balls |
| 02:30:55 | darth_balls | yeah, but if it means I can play WCIII w/ you guys, than I'm ok w/ it |
| 02:30:56 | darth_balls | ^_^ |
| 02:31:05 | gonkulator | :) |
| 02:31:12 | gonkulator | want to play WC3 online tonight? |
| 02:31:17 | gonkulator | as celebration? |
| 02:31:18 | darth_balls | maybe |
| 02:31:23 | gonkulator | alright |
| 02:31:29 | darth_balls | are we gonna do gentoo tonight? |
| 02:31:48 | Xentac | would play... except he can't remember if he has a copy of it or not... and hasn't had much practice at it for quite a while... |
| 02:31:51 | gonkulator | darth_balls: if you are up for it |
| 02:32:00 | gonkulator | is up for ANYTHING tonight |
| 02:32:08 | darth_balls | is up for it |
| 02:32:13 | darth_balls | so let's see how I feel afterwards |
| 02:32:17 | gonkulator | alright |
| 02:32:25 | darth_balls | maybe I'll like a game of WCIII if it ain't too late |
| 02:32:35 | darth_balls | is a little tired |
| 02:32:52 | darth_balls | I had an 1.5 hours of capoeira this afternoon *and* I broke my toe ^_^ |
| 02:32:57 | lalo | invites darth_balls and gonkulator to play thieveryUT |
| 02:33:13 | lalo | hmm breaking a toe sounds unfun :-( |
| 02:33:17 | darth_balls | unreal tornament? |
| 02:33:24 | darth_balls | lalo: actually it wasn't oo bad |
| 02:33:27 | darth_balls | *too |
| 02:33:38 | Xentac | darth_balls: which toe? |
| 02:33:46 | darth_balls | I managed to do about an hour of capoeira on it then walk all the way accross town to the boss |
| 02:33:46 | gonkulator | feels bad for darth_balls' toe |
| 02:33:47 | darth_balls | *bus |
| 02:33:56 | darth_balls | it is the third toe on my right foot Xentac |
| 02:34:23 | Xentac | so... your middle toe (assuming your big toe is the "thumb") or your ring toe? |
| 02:34:24 | lalo | ThieveryUT is a TC on top of UT that feels like a bastard child of Thief and CounterStrike |
| 02:34:28 | DevGirl | would like to play something online that isn't 3d... |
| 02:34:32 | darth_balls | Xentac: you are correct |
| 02:34:40 | darth_balls | lalo: sounds cool |
| 02:34:44 | Xentac | lalo: did I just hear Thief? |
| 02:34:45 | lalo | it is ;-) |
| 02:35:00 | Xentac | likes Thief |
| 02:35:01 | lalo | Xentac: no, unless you have text-to-speach software installed |
| 02:35:08 | Xentac | pokes lalo. |
| 02:35:12 | lalo | pokes back. |
| 02:35:27 | DevGirl | pokes lalo and Xentac |
| 02:35:32 | lalo | http://www.thieveryut.com/ |
| 02:35:32 | Xentac | pokes back faster. |
| 02:35:34 | DevGirl | wants to play |
| 02:35:36 | lalo | the mod is free, but you need UT |
| 02:35:42 | darth_balls | lalo: sounds cool |
| 02:35:42 | Xentac | that would mean I needed a copy of UT... |
| 02:35:46 | lalo | (free as in beer, not speech) |
| 02:35:56 | Xentac | last I checked my copy of UT didn't work |
| 02:35:56 | darth_balls | ^_^ |
| 02:36:08 | lalo | pokes Xentac's copy of UT |
| 02:36:09 | darth_balls | you can get UT free on Linux, correct? |
| 02:36:12 | lalo | bad, bad copy |
| 02:36:16 | lalo | darth_balls: nope. |
| 02:36:19 | Xentac | hehehe... one of my favourite linux quotes, "So, I installed linux. Where's all this free beer I keep hearing about?" |
| 02:36:29 | Xentac | darth_balls: you can get the UT server free on Linux |
| 02:36:31 | darth_balls | pokes in general |
| 02:36:36 | lalo | darth_balls: like quake in the old days, you can get the executable but not the datafiles. Anyway, the mod doesn't run on linux :-( |
| 02:36:38 | darth_balls | Xentac: oh |
| 02:36:47 | darth_balls | oh grrr |
| 02:36:52 | darth_balls | I don't have a copy of UT at the moment |
| 02:36:55 | darth_balls | only for mac |
| 02:36:58 | lalo | I actually joined the project with the intention of porting it |
| 02:37:00 | darth_balls | which runs not well |
| 02:37:03 | Xentac | hehehe |
| 02:37:09 | Xentac | mwahahaha |
| 02:37:12 | darth_balls | ^_^ |
| 02:37:19 | lalo | but I found it impossible because ucc is BBR |
| 02:37:33 | Xentac | UCC BBR? |
| 02:37:55 | gonkulator | oooh |
| 02:37:58 | gonkulator | my water is boiling |
| 02:38:00 | darth_balls | and so it begins |
| 02:38:04 | Xentac | gonkulator: run! |
| 02:38:04 | darth_balls | shudders |
| 02:38:10 | darth_balls | win 2k setup |
| 02:38:38 | darth_balls | PicoBot: windows? |
| 02:38:39 | PicoBot | it has been said that windows is a thirty-two bit graphical interface and shell to a sixteen bit patch to an eight bit operating system originally coded for a four bit microprosser by a two bit company that doesn't take one bit of competition. |
| 02:38:50 | darth_balls | ^_^ |
| 02:39:12 | darth_balls | gonkulator: how hard is it going to be to do USB in gentoo? |
| 02:39:53 | Xentac | darth_balls: what do you mean by "do" USB? |
| 02:39:58 | DevGirl | so, boys, let me know when you start to play thievery |
| 02:40:02 | DevGirl | I want too ^^ |
| 02:40:03 | darth_balls | Xentac: set it up |
| 02:40:10 | gonkulator | darth_balls: just compile USB support into your kernel |
| 02:40:20 | gonkulator | darth_balls: in other words, bone head simple :) |
| 02:40:22 | Xentac | darth_balls: there's the USB support in the kernel... and a couple of programs you need to emerge |
| 02:40:30 | gonkulator | can talk you through it |
| 02:40:36 | Xentac | needs a copy of UT before he can play... /if/ he can play... |
| 02:40:45 | gonkulator | Xentac: what userspace programs do you need for USB? |
| 02:41:23 | Xentac | gonkulator: isn't there a usbmgr, etc? not the same as cardmgr... I'm probably just thinking of diagnostic tools (usbview) |
| 02:41:31 | Xentac | there's the hotplug stuff... I know that |
| 02:41:35 | gonkulator | oh... |
| 02:41:42 | gonkulator | yeah, you don't _need_ that |
| 02:41:48 | gonkulator | but they are useful :) |
| 02:41:52 | Xentac | :) |
| 02:41:56 | Xentac | as with most things in linux |
| 02:42:39 | Xentac | so... I suppose theiveryUT isn't exactly a co-op game... is it? |
| 02:42:45 | lalo | UT is old, I suppose if you're into warez you can find a copy in the usual channels |
| 02:42:45 | Xentac | er, co-op mod |
| 02:42:55 | lalo | kind of, it's a team game like CounterStrike |
| 02:43:02 | Xentac | ah |
| 02:43:03 | lalo | there is a team of thieves and a team of guards |
| 02:43:03 | gonkulator | ah, cool; |
| 02:43:13 | Xentac | so it's like theives verses guards? |
| 02:43:15 | Xentac | ;o) |
| 02:43:18 | lalo | for the guards it's basically a FPS with a medieval setting |
| 02:43:24 | Xentac | mwahaha |
| 02:43:26 | Xentac | I was right! |
| 02:43:37 | lalo | for the guards, the developers describe it as a "first-person sneaker" |
| 02:43:52 | lalo | TvG is a similar project, but AFAIK it never completed :-) |
| 02:44:20 | darth_balls | arg! |
| 02:44:39 | Xentac | hey... do you get a light gem...? |
| 02:44:44 | lalo | yes |
| 02:44:54 | Xentac | can't find a screen shot with one on there... |
| 02:44:57 | lalo | (only thieves, of course) |
| 02:45:33 | Xentac | oh wait... there it is |
| 02:45:40 | Xentac | so... how does it make people disappear? |
| 02:46:04 | Xentac | and (for example) can a guard look more closely into the dark (remember when you made a noise and the guard started looking for you?) |
| 02:46:24 | lalo | you disappear when you're in sufficient darkness |
| 02:46:49 | darth_balls | can a cdrom be a master of a HD? |
| 02:46:52 | lalo | but there is a level of invisibility - actually in addition to the gem you can configure a "visibility meter" that displays a percentage on the screen |
| 02:46:54 | Xentac | what about partial darkness? do you just blend in? |
| 02:47:36 | lalo | the guard can't "look closer" but they can light flares or shoot "tag bolts" (or even fire bolts, but these are really expensive and do a lot of damage) |
| 02:47:50 | darth_balls | why does it say my secondary slave is incompatible?!??? |
| 02:48:00 | Xentac | lalo: ah.. that's cool |
| 02:48:04 | gonkulator | needs to add chicken base now |
| 02:48:06 | Xentac | so you have the same weapons then... |
| 02:48:38 | lalo | same as? |
| 02:48:52 | Xentac | as theif |
| 02:48:58 | Xentac | not like shotguns and stuff.. ;o) |
| 02:49:50 | DevGirl | ^^ |
| 02:49:54 | lalo | yes |
| 02:50:10 | Xentac | I was just in the CS state of mind... |
| 02:50:11 | DevGirl | imagine a thief going out of shadows with a shotgun |
| 02:50:13 | lalo | the thieves only have the blackjack and an assortment of arrows (most of which can't be used as weapons) |
| 02:50:24 | Xentac | DevGirl: hehehe... |
| 02:50:38 | DevGirl | TAKE THAT, GUARD! |
| 02:51:01 | DevGirl | and then tha guard screams: I'll turn you into a pin cushion |
| 02:51:06 | lalo | where is it similar to CS: 1 - teams and objectives; 2 - you have to buy your weapons in the beginning of the level |
| 02:51:06 | DevGirl | ^^ |
| 02:51:10 | DevGirl | *BOOOM* |
| 02:51:43 | gonkulator | loves gentoo ;) |
| 02:52:03 | Xentac | never really played UT... but has played C |
| 02:52:05 | Xentac | er CS |
| 02:52:16 | gonkulator | backwards that and you got me |
| 02:52:29 | gonkulator | has played LOTS of UT but no CS |
| 02:52:54 | Xentac | wonders if gonkulator has a legit copy... |
| 02:53:09 | gonkulator | Xentac: I have a legit copy |
| 02:53:17 | DevGirl | has played lots of TUT and CS ^^ |
| 02:53:20 | gonkulator | darth_balls: got it for me :) |
| 02:53:24 | gonkulator | in fact... |
| 02:53:30 | DevGirl | CS! yay! |
| 02:53:33 | gonkulator | all of the games I have are ones that darth_balls got for me |
| 02:53:38 | scanline | ooh.. got soemthing sort of resembling output |
| 02:53:41 | DevGirl | miss the CS evenings |
| 02:53:43 | gonkulator | hugs darth_balls |
| 02:53:55 | gonkulator | scanline: what sort of output? |
| 02:54:02 | file[downstairs] | mmm |
| 02:54:03 | Xentac | needs a copy of UT and doesn't know where to get it from :( |
| 02:54:27 | scanline | http://picogui.org/download/squiggly_freetype.png |
| 02:54:35 | darth_balls | gonkulator: what other games did I get for u? |
| 02:54:35 | Xentac | calls his warez friend... |
| 02:54:41 | Xentac | finds his phone... |
| 02:54:46 | scanline | Just need it to align the glyphs properly now |
| 02:54:46 | darth_balls | I remember getting WCIII |
| 02:54:47 | gonkulator | darth_balls: WC3 |
| 02:54:51 | gonkulator | darth_balls: UT |
| 02:54:54 | darth_balls | oh, right |
| 02:54:59 | darth_balls | you have more than that though |
| 02:55:02 | darth_balls | what abou SC? |
| 02:55:09 | gonkulator | I got that a LONG time ago |
| 02:55:13 | gonkulator | as a christmas presant |
| 02:55:30 | gonkulator | so not ALL my games |
| 02:55:40 | gonkulator | but of the ones I play, you got two out of three of them for me :) |
| 02:56:10 | gonkulator | thinks his noodles are done now |
| 02:56:23 | darth_balls | ^_^ |
| 02:57:28 | Xentac | found a copy of UT... woohoo |
| 02:57:33 | DevGirl | :) |
| 02:57:36 | Xentac | this is a mod for UT not UT 2003? |
| 02:58:20 | Xentac | ah... it's just for UT |
| 02:58:23 | Xentac | ok... |
| 02:58:25 | Xentac | goes to get the CD |
| 02:59:31 | lalo | bah, I lost my paypal password again |
| 03:03:30 | scanline | ah yes! |
| 03:03:36 | scanline | correct rendering |
| 03:05:13 | darth_balls | lets' try this again |
| 03:05:53 | darth_balls | likes to watch the fans spin |
| 03:06:43 | darth_balls | does anyone know why it's telling me that both of my harddrives are incompatible? |
| 03:07:04 | darth_balls | when it boots it says they're both atapi incompatible |
| 03:07:52 | gonkulator | hasn't ever seen that before |
| 03:08:01 | darth_balls | but it boots linux just fine |
| 03:08:44 | darth_balls | just got an idea |
| 03:09:22 | gonkulator | whats that? |
| 03:09:46 | darth_balls | we shall see |
| 03:10:00 | darth_balls | there we go |
| 03:10:09 | darth_balls | I forgot to change the hardware config in the bios |
| 03:10:47 | darth_balls | hits his forehead in disbelief of his own stupidity |
| 03:10:51 | darth_balls | ^_^ |
| 03:10:55 | gonkulator | doh |
| 03:11:06 | darth_balls | now maybe it'll install winderz |
| 03:11:33 | gonkulator | heh, yeah probably |
| 03:13:26 | darth_balls | fuck, it still won't let me intsall it |
| 03:13:34 | gonkulator | why not? |
| 03:13:43 | gonkulator | what error message are you gettin? |
| 03:13:50 | darth_balls | well, I try to create a windoze compatible partition and it won't let me |
| 03:13:59 | darth_balls | I select the unpartitioned space |
| 03:14:08 | darth_balls | tell it to create a partition |
| 03:14:10 | gonkulator | are you wiping the whole drive |
| 03:14:12 | darth_balls | create the partition |
| 03:14:19 | darth_balls | and it won't let me install |
| 03:14:27 | darth_balls | I've tried doing the whole thing and only doing part |
| 03:14:41 | gonkulator | hmm... |
| 03:14:54 | gonkulator | futz with it until it works :) |
| 03:15:06 | gonkulator | that is the best advice I can give someone with a windows problem |
| 03:15:36 | darth_balls | wiat |
| 03:15:40 | darth_balls | *wait |
| 03:15:50 | darth_balls | it wants me to create a partition for it on the other hd |
| 03:16:32 | darth_balls | how do I get around that? |
| 03:16:53 | gonkulator | I dunno... |
| 03:17:18 | gonkulator | never installed win2k on a non first IDE device |
| 03:17:34 | darth_balls | we're gonna try something new |
| 03:18:16 | darth_balls | unplug the other HD, so the 30gig is the only one plugged in, make it the master, temporarily and see if that works... |
| 03:18:36 | gonkulator | that should work... |
| 03:18:45 | gonkulator | doesn't know if windows will like that or not |
| 03:20:33 | gonkulator | good luck ;) |
| 03:21:07 | darth_balls | here goes |
| 03:21:58 | darth_balls | hates windoze w/ every bone in his body |
| 03:22:30 | DevGirl | deletes darth_balls windoze, for good measue |
| 03:22:31 | gonkulator | and that is just the start of it, right? |
| 03:22:35 | DevGirl | measure |
| 03:22:45 | darth_balls | thanks DevGirl |
| 03:22:48 | darth_balls | ^_^ |
| 03:23:48 | DevGirl | you're welcome ^^ |
| 03:24:18 | darth_balls | hmmm, NTFS or Fat file system? |
| 03:24:26 | gonkulator | darth_balls: fat |
| 03:24:30 | lalo | DevGirl: don't do that, I want him to come play Thievery. |
| 03:24:37 | DevGirl | ;) |
| 03:24:39 | darth_balls | done and done |
| 03:24:53 | lalo | if fat gives you problem, try a diet. |
| 03:24:54 | darth_balls | lalo: can't play thievery just yet |
| 03:24:58 | gonkulator | lalo: what was DevGirl doing (or do I want to know) |
| 03:25:02 | darth_balls | gotta borrow nate's copy of UT for windoze |
| 03:25:04 | lalo | darth_balls: neither can I |
| 03:25:08 | darth_balls | ^_^ |
| 03:25:14 | darth_balls | hopefully I can get it on Mon. or Tues. |
| 03:25:21 | darth_balls | if I'm lucky maybe even tomorrow |
| 03:25:21 | lalo | gonkulator: * DevGirl deletes darth_balls windoze, for good measue |
| 03:26:06 | gonkulator | oh, ok |
| 03:26:26 | darth_balls | ^_^ |
| 03:26:28 | gonkulator | is slowly losing his mind |
| 03:26:37 | darth_balls | it would end my frustration though, to not have windoze |
| 03:26:54 | gonkulator | hehehe |
| 03:26:57 | gonkulator | yeah |
| 03:27:13 | DevGirl | gonky: don't lose it right now, let's play thievery first ^^ |
| 03:27:18 | gonkulator | although, windows saved my tail a week ago when my linux drive went *poof* |
| 03:27:25 | darth_balls | punishes windoze by only giving it half of the new HD |
| 03:27:37 | gonkulator | hehehe |
| 03:28:09 | darth_balls | loves to watch the inside of Fission at work |
| 03:28:18 | gonkulator | hehehehe |
| 03:28:23 | gonkulator | I can't wait to see it |
| 03:28:37 | DevGirl | dances with a flag written: "Play Thievery now!!! All your problems will be solved by playing Thievery" |
| 03:28:39 | darth_balls | I think I shall read som sluggy to undo the horror of windoze |
| 03:28:45 | darth_balls | lol |
| 03:28:50 | DevGirl | yay! Sluggy! |
| 03:29:06 | darth_balls | my new favorite comic |
| 03:29:11 | DevGirl | dances with a flag written: "Read Sluggy now!!! All your problems will be solved by reading Sluggy" |
| 03:29:16 | gonkulator | darth_balls: I am getting this sofware package |
| 03:29:20 | DevGirl | ^^ |
| 03:29:32 | gonkulator | it is a techno music composing software package :) |
| 03:29:52 | darth_balls | OOOH! shall we record some samples next time I'm home? |
| 03:30:01 | lalo | "If you play this mod your life will be better, your life will be better, your life will be better..." |
| 03:30:03 | darth_balls | would love to do samples for gonkulator on his guitar |
| 03:30:08 | DevGirl | puts a flag in the channel: Crotches now! Crotches for all! |
| 03:30:19 | darth_balls | yay! Crotches |
| 03:30:22 | DevGirl | :D |
| 03:30:34 | DevGirl | RUN! RUN MY CROTCHES! |
| 03:30:37 | DevGirl | :D |
| 03:30:43 | gonkulator | hopes he is good at spinning techno |
| 03:31:24 | darth_balls | loves Kiki |
| 03:31:33 | DevGirl | poings! |
| 03:31:56 | darth_balls | DevGirl: You are crazy ^_^ |
| 03:32:00 | darth_balls | pokes DevGirl |
| 03:32:01 | DevGirl | :) |
| 03:32:10 | DevGirl | pokes darth_balls really fast |
| 03:32:33 | darth_balls | "ZAP-POW KABLOOIE!!!" |
| 03:32:42 | DevGirl | ^^ |
| 03:32:43 | darth_balls | ^_^ |
| 03:32:47 | darth_balls | death ray |
| 03:33:01 | darth_balls | "BA-BLAMMO!" <--Omega cannon |
| 03:33:02 | DevGirl | ah, you read "ohhh.... I love Lacerations" :) |
| 03:33:12 | DevGirl | ? |
| 03:33:54 | darth_balls | the one where bunbun and kiki steal riff's roboot |
| 03:33:56 | darth_balls | *robot |
| 03:33:58 | darth_balls | ^_^ |
| 03:34:02 | DevGirl | ^^ |
| 03:34:04 | darth_balls | "let me check my notes..." |
| 03:34:09 | darth_balls | I love riff |
| 03:34:14 | DevGirl | PicoBot: emulate riff |
| 03:34:14 | PicoBot | emulate? hmm, let me check my notes |
| 03:34:20 | DevGirl | ^^ |
| 03:34:24 | DevGirl | PicoBot: emulate kiki |
| 03:34:24 | darth_balls | ROFL |
| 03:34:25 | PicoBot | poing! poing! poing! ooooohhhh!!!! shiny widgets!!! |
| 03:34:31 | darth_balls | ROFLMAO |
| 03:34:48 | darth_balls | is tempted to cut his hair like Riff's again |
| 03:34:55 | DevGirl | :D |
| 03:35:12 | DevGirl | loves Torg |
| 03:35:30 | DevGirl | isn't afraid of Oasis! |
| 03:35:45 | darth_balls | almost done formatting |
| 03:36:56 | DevGirl | is going to cearch some coke (and if lalo let me buy it) some snacks ^^ |
| 03:37:01 | DevGirl | search |
| 03:38:04 | Xentac | returnth. |
| 03:40:09 | lalo | goes along - brb |
| 03:40:44 | darth_balls | w00t it worked |
| 03:40:49 | gonkulator | darth_balls: cool |
| 03:40:56 | darth_balls | I guess I'm happy that windoze has been installed |
| 03:41:01 | darth_balls | hmmm... |
| 03:41:12 | darth_balls | wants a pet bunny to name bun-bun |
| 03:41:20 | Xentac | will make a copy of this cd and then reboot into windows... |
| 03:41:25 | DevGirl[out] | no one can ve happy w/ windoze installed ^^ |
| 03:41:31 | Xentac | sweet... cdrdao segfaulted... great... |
| 03:41:34 | gonkulator | DevGirl[out]: I usually am |
| 03:41:38 | Xentac | DevGirl[out]: hey, you're supposed to be gone! |
| 03:41:57 | DevGirl[out] | returns to the shadows |
| 03:42:02 | DevGirl[out] | goneth |
| 03:43:11 | darth_balls | wants to do some case mods |
| 03:43:30 | DevGirl[out] | wants to go, but have to wait for lalo |
| 03:43:49 | DevGirl[out] | because he's with the money and he won't give it to me |
| 03:43:54 | Xentac | my computer likes doing wonky things, it seems... |
| 03:44:12 | Xentac | that's what it's called aries... cause it and I always clash... |
| 03:44:16 | DevGirl[out] | is a pregnant hungry girl ^^ |
| 03:44:28 | Xentac | DevGirl[out]: hehehe |
| 03:46:40 | Xentac | does UT need a serial key...? |
| 03:47:53 | DevGirl[out] | don't know, ask lalo |
| 03:49:16 | darth_balls | DAMMIT! the cd key isn't valid |
| 03:49:33 | gonkulator | darth_balls: just a sec |
| 03:49:36 | gonkulator | I'll get you a valid one |
| 03:50:37 | gonkulator | darth_balls: TM4WDQM49HWJRG2CFJMKPVHBX |
| 03:52:59 | darth_balls | thanx |
| 03:56:33 | gonkulator | did that work for you? |
| 03:56:50 | darth_balls | yes |
| 03:56:57 | darth_balls | that was the same one I had, but it was wrong a little |
| 03:56:59 | gonkulator | I got it off of navi ;) |
| 03:57:10 | darth_balls | scanline's handwriting is a little hard to read on that disk |
| 03:57:14 | darth_balls | as is Nathan's |
| 03:57:22 | darth_balls | ^_^ |
| 03:57:26 | gonkulator | what was wrong? |
| 03:57:27 | gonkulator | hehehehe |
| 03:57:34 | gonkulator | yep, Nater is quite a bad writer |
| 03:58:30 | darth_balls | wants DevGirl or lalo to be back |
| 03:58:34 | darth_balls | u here lalo? |
| 03:58:37 | Xentac | wonders if he can convince these vaio recovery cds to only install xp on the partition... |
| 03:58:40 | gonkulator | isn't enough for you |
| 03:58:50 | gonkulator | Xentac: partition magic is fun |
| 03:58:53 | darth_balls | gonkulator doesn't speak portugese |
| 03:59:05 | darth_balls | otherwise I'd ask you |
| 03:59:15 | DevGirl | back, because she never gone ^^ |
| 03:59:21 | darth_balls | DevGirl: how do you say "don't touch the bunny" in portuguese? |
| 03:59:45 | Xentac | gonkulator: it's a little late... remember... I blew away xp... |
| 03:59:51 | Xentac | notes this is on his vaio... |
| 04:00:01 | gonkulator | oh yeah |
| 04:00:20 | Xentac | I figured I might as well try... |
| 04:00:43 | Xentac | but if it doesn't work... hopefully I can kill it before it tosses my linux install ;o) |
| 04:00:56 | DevGirl | darth_balls: hmm... Não encoste no coelhinho, I think but there should be an unpolite way to say that ^^ |
| 04:01:26 | darth_balls | A^_^ |
| 04:01:27 | DevGirl | or "não toque o celhinho" |
| 04:01:27 | darth_balls | thanks |
| 04:01:38 | DevGirl | coelhinho |
| 04:01:55 | DevGirl | coelhinho = bunny |
| 04:02:28 | Xentac | come on vaio... gimme some lovin... |
| 04:02:36 | scanline | Oh yeah freetype baby! |
| 04:02:40 | darth_balls | can now add that to his useless saying in foreign languages |
| 04:02:43 | Xentac | it sounds like this cd-drive is in pain right now... |
| 04:03:20 | darth_balls | misses pinky now (listening to the Hippos) |
| 04:03:32 | Xentac | doh'th... it's just a recovery cd... I should have known... |
| 04:03:33 | gonkulator | ? |
| 04:03:35 | gonkulator | is confused |
| 04:05:16 | darth_balls | "successfully" installed win2k |
| 04:05:20 | darth_balls | took bloody long enough |
| 04:05:34 | Xentac | reboots into windows so as to set up UT... |
| 04:05:41 | gonkulator | cool |
| 04:05:47 | Xentac | also turns on his laptop. |
| 04:07:17 | Xentac[laptop] | hopefully 98 is ok with the fact that I've got 768 (or whatever) meg of memory now... |
| 04:07:27 | Xentac[laptop] | heard something about 98 not working with any more than 512 meg... |
| 04:07:44 | darth_balls | now it's time to start gentoo |
| 04:09:39 | Xentac[laptop] | add/removes programs. |
| 04:10:43 | Xentac[laptop] | needs to set up his second windows partition sometime very soon. |
| 04:12:44 | DevGirl[out] | hides in the shadows |
| 04:13:08 | DevGirl[out] | blackjacks Xentac[laptop] for good measure ^^ |
| 04:13:15 | DevGirl[out] | returns to the shadows |
| 04:13:23 | merlin262 | hi DevGirl[out] |
| 04:13:48 | merlin262 | goes to the shadows |
| 04:13:49 | Xentac[laptop] | hey... can you blackjack other theives? |
| 04:13:51 | merlin262 | turns on the light |
| 04:13:53 | Xentac[laptop] | do they like it...? |
| 04:13:55 | Xentac[laptop] | ;o) |
| 04:14:12 | Xentac[laptop] | is waiting for the UT install... |
| 04:14:22 | lalo | Xentac[laptop]: perhaps she thinks you look like a guard. ;-) |
| 04:14:31 | lalo | finally goes for the coke |
| 04:14:31 | Xentac[laptop] | lalo: maybe.. |
| 04:14:42 | Xentac[laptop] | notes that tomorrow he gets to ride his new bike! |
| 04:14:45 | Xentac[laptop] | yay! |
| 04:18:27 | Xentac[laptop] | so I need thievery beta and the thievery beta patch? |
| 04:19:43 | scanline | http://picogui.org/sshotdetail.php?index=88 |
| 04:21:30 | Xentac[laptop] | scanline: bah... you and your silly pgserver... where the hell do you think we are? in a channel dedicated to picogui related topics? |
| 04:21:42 | scanline | shuts up now ;) |
| 04:21:51 | gonkulator | yeah |
| 04:21:55 | Xentac[laptop] | wins the irony award! |
| 04:22:00 | gonkulator | whats the big idea talking about PicoGUI in #picogui? |
| 04:22:13 | Xentac[laptop] | we'll teach you to stay on topic! |
| 04:23:32 | Xentac[laptop] | has to find a no-cd crack for UT :( |
| 04:23:40 | gonkulator | no you don't |
| 04:23:47 | gonkulator | UT doesn't normally require the CD |
| 04:23:55 | gonkulator | provided you did a full install |
| 04:24:05 | darth_balls | yay for easily pirated software! |
| 04:24:12 | darth_balls | I mean... oops, did I say that outloud? |
| 04:24:29 | Xentac[laptop] | full install meaning I checked all the boxes? |
| 04:24:36 | darth_balls | right |
| 04:24:55 | Xentac[laptop] | tries to "Play Unreal Tournament" |
| 04:25:20 | Xentac[laptop] | watches the popup say, "Please insert Unreal Tournament Disc One select OK and restart application" |
| 04:25:51 | darth_balls | hmm |
| 04:26:15 | gonkulator | odd that... |
| 04:26:24 | gonkulator | maybe the first few times |
| 04:26:36 | merlin262 | w00t scanline: that looks awsome |
| 04:26:42 | Xentac[laptop] | guesses he'll try the patch... but doubts it'll help.. |
| 04:26:56 | scanline | merlin262: thanks. Still needs lots of tweaking.. without a glyph cache it's pretty slow |
| 04:27:28 | Xentac[laptop] | tries the cd that his buddy gave him... instead of his copy... |
| 04:27:32 | lalo | Xentac[laptop]: you need the big file (1.0) and the newest patch (1.2) |
| 04:27:37 | Xentac[laptop] | nope... same problem... |
| 04:27:42 | Xentac[laptop] | lalo: good... that's what I'm downloading |
| 04:27:51 | lalo | cool, sluggy is b0rked |
| 04:27:59 | Xentac[laptop] | just hopes he can get UT working... |
| 04:28:04 | lalo | fixed already :-) |
| 04:28:54 | Xentac[laptop] | ah... maybe it's just after you upgrade to 436 that you don't need the cd... |
| 04:29:07 | Xentac[laptop] | waits for the upgrade... |
| 04:29:10 | merlin262 | mmmmmmmmmmmmm....... font cache |
| 04:29:15 | merlin262 | needs to finish up sasteroids |
| 04:30:28 | gonkulator | is any software prject ever finished? |
| 04:30:29 | Xentac[laptop] | though I'll probably need the cd to update to 436... |
| 04:30:55 | merlin262 | gonkulator: ermmm, no, but they can at least be polished enuff for a release |
| 04:30:56 | merlin262 | =D |
| 04:32:23 | Xentac[laptop] | notes that he needs faster interweb... |
| 04:34:27 | Xentac[laptop] | sweet 436 did it |
| 04:35:18 | Xentac[laptop] | sort of |
| 04:35:32 | Xentac[laptop] | has a feeling he's talking and no one is listening... |
| 04:36:09 | scanline | merlin262: wow.. this looks really nice with MS's Arial font... too bad the free fonts aren't as good |
| 04:36:24 | merlin262 | hhehe |
| 04:37:09 | scanline | http://picogui.org/download/ms_arial.png |
| 04:38:34 | captain_proton | scanline: could you switch the rsync to point to non-music ? |
| 04:38:35 | merlin262 | looks nice |
| 04:38:43 | scanline | captain_proton: k |
| 04:39:10 | scanline | merlin262: the MS fonts with autohinting off look really cool... but the fonts are nonfree and the algorithm is patented :-/ |
| 04:39:34 | merlin262 | shoots patents. |
| 04:39:36 | merlin262 | grrrr.... |
| 04:39:38 | scanline | captain_proton: where is this? |
| 04:39:51 | captain_proton | scanline: /navi/jupiter/ |
| 04:39:55 | scanline | k |
| 04:40:05 | scanline | done |
| 04:40:39 | scanline | merlin262: also unfortunately I can't do LCD subpixel rendering on the zaurus in portrait mode |
| 04:41:59 | captain_proton | scanline: err, /navi/jupiter/non-music |
| 04:42:18 | scanline | done |
| 04:46:04 | Xentac[laptop] | notes that his desktop is working really hard try to format a 13 gig partition... what the hell...? |
| 04:46:19 | Xentac[laptop] | windows sucks |
| 04:47:56 | Xentac[laptop] | tries again... |
| 04:49:01 | scanline | windows forces a bad block scan in every format, so it's always slow |
| 04:49:16 | Xentac[laptop] | no... it was seriously slowing down everything |
| 04:49:24 | Xentac[laptop] | not just a regular windows format slow... |
| 04:49:27 | Xentac[laptop] | the mouse crawled... |
| 04:49:37 | merlin262 | Windows, need one say more? |
| 04:49:46 | Xentac[laptop] | the start menu took something like 30-60 seconds to pop up... |
| 04:50:36 | Xentac[laptop] | will be trying to format that 13 gig partition again, in just a minute... |
| 04:51:36 | Xentac[laptop] | yeah... looks like it's the format... but this is seriously way slower than anything I've ever seen windows do... |
| 04:51:45 | Xentac[laptop] | scratch that... |
| 04:51:51 | Xentac[laptop] | slower than I've ever seen windows do... on a format |
| 04:52:11 | Xentac[laptop] | it must be a combination of my 768meg (over 512) and the 13 gig partition... |
| 04:52:32 | Xentac[laptop] | guesses he'll be waiting for a while.. |
| 04:53:24 | Xentac[laptop] | wonders if it'd be faster to format this drive fat32 in linux... |
| 04:53:27 | Xentac[laptop] | ponders... |
| 04:53:37 | Xentac[laptop] | it's worth a try |
| 04:57:19 | Xentac[laptop] | also lights his hair on fire. |
| 05:00:26 | Xentac[laptop] | mwahahaha... that was a lot faster |
| 05:00:40 | Xentac[laptop] | dances the funky chicken on his 75th wedding anniversary. |
| 05:00:55 | scanline | writes the font comparison function for this freetype engine |
| 05:01:16 | Xentac[laptop] | watches as gonkulator runs in fear, masking it as a connection timeout... |
| 05:05:41 | Xentac[laptop] | wonders who's still in for thieveryut... |
| 05:06:10 | lalo | and DevGirl are back |
| 05:06:20 | Xentac[laptop] | hehehe |
| 05:06:47 | lalo | well, the co-worker who owns the windows machine where we play is here, so I can't play yet :-( |
| 05:07:05 | lalo | but I recommend you play solo a bit, get to know the ways of the game and one map or two |
| 05:07:21 | Xentac[laptop] | nods. |
| 05:07:26 | Xentac[laptop] | will probably |
| 05:07:30 | lalo | I recommend you start with Korman, Flats, or Darkened-Enlightenment |
| 05:07:44 | Xentac[laptop] | so you're saying that the co-worker is using the windows machine? |
| 05:07:47 | lalo | (what a name for a game) |
| 05:07:51 | lalo | yes |
| 05:07:56 | lalo | it's his machine after all :-) |
| 05:07:59 | Xentac[laptop] | these are thieveryUT leverls? |
| 05:08:00 | Xentac[laptop] | hehehe |
| 05:08:24 | Xentac[laptop] | doesn't that mean I have to set up bots? |
| 05:08:36 | lalo | no |
| 05:08:48 | Xentac[laptop] | alrighty then... |
| 05:08:52 | lalo | bots are on by default |
| 05:09:01 | Xentac[laptop] | thought that thieveryUT was only mutliplayer |
| 05:09:02 | Xentac[laptop] | ah |
| 05:09:02 | Xentac[laptop] | gotcha |
| 05:09:08 | lalo | that's the most odd quirk of Thievery actually |
| 05:09:18 | Xentac[laptop] | bots are on? |
| 05:09:33 | lalo | Guards don't spawn... they're there all the time, initially as AI |
| 05:09:44 | Xentac[laptop] | ah |
| 05:09:46 | Xentac[laptop] | they just wake up? |
| 05:09:47 | lalo | when a guard player "starts", he "takes possession" of a guard |
| 05:10:12 | Xentac[laptop] | ah |
| 05:10:12 | Xentac[laptop] | cool |
| 05:10:46 | Xentac[laptop] | when a guard is blackjacked are they out for the game? |
| 05:10:55 | lalo | yup |
| 05:11:18 | Xentac[laptop] | so a guard player could start as a knocked out guard? or would they only start as one that's awake? |
| 05:11:37 | lalo | only awaken guards count |
| 05:11:46 | Xentac[laptop] | nods. |
| 05:12:01 | lalo | so the thieves can effectively cut lives from the guard team by hunting down the AIs |
| 05:12:14 | Xentac[laptop] | so... a "good" thief could knock out all the guards and have free pickin's on the taskk at hand? |
| 05:12:24 | Xentac[laptop] | ah |
| 05:12:27 | lalo | altough this style of play is called "DM thieves" and generally frowned upon |
| 05:12:37 | Xentac[laptop] | DM? |
| 05:12:45 | lalo | for deathmatch |
| 05:12:50 | Xentac[laptop] | ah |
| 05:13:03 | Xentac[laptop] | and how can you tell an AI guard from a real guard? |
| 05:13:24 | lalo | "good" players practice what they call "ghosting", which means sneaking without getting seen, completing the objective and getting out |
| 05:13:41 | lalo | thieves that win with no kills are usually highly regarded |
| 05:13:54 | lalo | usually by its name, they have names beginning with [AI] |
| 05:13:58 | Xentac[laptop] | someone who's playing that's knocked out... they "respawn" as a different guard? |
| 05:14:02 | lalo | yes |
| 05:14:23 | Xentac[laptop] | ah, I see |
| 05:15:15 | lalo | after you get practice, you can safely play on the public servers. As the mod is relatively new and well-balanced, public servers aren't so bad as usual. |
| 05:15:44 | lalo | once joined a public Quake server, Back Then, just for the kicks and lasted about 14 seconds |
| 05:16:07 | Xentac[laptop] | might have his brother playing as well (though... two people behind one firewall) |
| 05:16:16 | lalo | np |
| 05:16:28 | lalo | and DevGirl play together here without any visible problems |
| 05:16:42 | Xentac[laptop] | have to screw with your firewall settings at all? |
| 05:16:49 | lalo | nope |
| 05:17:18 | Xentac[laptop] | cool |
| 05:17:26 | lalo | we even stuck on a "clan" name, half-joking... the Clan of the CATS |
| 05:18:05 | DevGirl[out] | yay! |
| 05:18:07 | lalo | is [CATS]Kenny on the servers |
| 05:18:11 | Xentac[laptop] | sounds like another game I'm going to be rebooting into windows for... |
| 05:18:14 | Xentac[laptop] | hehehe |
| 05:18:21 | Xentac[laptop] | why CATS? |
| 05:18:30 | lalo | because we are very feline people. |
| 05:18:36 | Xentac[laptop] | ah |
| 05:18:38 | DevGirl[out] | our co-worker is going somewhere :) |
| 05:18:43 | Xentac[laptop] | hehehe |
| 05:18:44 | DevGirl[out] | claws the air |
| 05:18:51 | lalo | instead of calling each other's attention with "hey" we'll usually say "meow" |
| 05:18:53 | DevGirl[out] | purrrrs around lalo |
| 05:18:58 | Xentac[laptop] | hopes that his ADSL connection can stand up to two people playing at once... |
| 05:19:11 | DevGirl[out] | want to play some now? |
| 05:19:11 | Xentac[laptop] | DevGirl[out]: hey... you're still [out]! |
| 05:19:19 | Xentac[laptop] | still downloads... |
| 05:19:20 | Xentac[laptop] | hehehe |
| 05:19:24 | DevGirl[out] | purrrs to the darkness |
| 05:19:25 | Xentac[laptop] | 13 MS seconds! |
| 05:19:30 | lalo | one of the reasons they've chosen UT as the basis for the mod is that the UT protocol is very light on bandwidth |
| 05:19:37 | Xentac[laptop] | woohoo |
| 05:19:52 | lalo | we played very finely on 128-DSL |
| 05:19:52 | Xentac[laptop] | saw the 3...2..1..0...3..2..1..0...3...2..1..0 syndrome |
| 05:20:07 | Xentac[laptop] | patches. |
| 05:20:07 | DevGirl[out] | so... I'm going to play some alone... |
| 05:20:09 | Xentac[laptop] | lalo: cool |
| 05:20:28 | DevGirl[out] | had to stop playing, so she still sucks |
| 05:20:39 | Xentac[laptop] | DevGirl[out]: why? |
| 05:21:05 | DevGirl[out] | 3d games makes pregnants barf ^^ |
| 05:21:07 | DevGirl[out] | :) |
| 05:21:16 | Xentac[laptop] | says with a hispanic accent, "patches, we don need no stinkin' patches" |
| 05:21:20 | Xentac[laptop] | DevGirl[out]: hehehe |
| 05:21:58 | Xentac[laptop] | 3d games make everyone barf... |
| 05:22:45 | DevGirl[out] | :D |
| 05:23:12 | lalo | ok, I have the machine! ;-) |
| 05:23:17 | DevGirl[out] | so, I'm going to switch os, to train a little ^^ |
| 05:23:26 | lalo | want to start a private server so that I tutor you? |
| 05:23:44 | DevGirl[out] | accepts ^^ |
| 05:23:50 | Xentac[laptop] | me... or DevGirl[out]? |
| 05:23:57 | DevGirl[out] | the two ^^ |
| 05:24:01 | lalo | (I would do that as our bandwidth is better, but we have a FreeBSD firewall and I'm not willing to fiddle with that) |
| 05:24:05 | Xentac[laptop] | sure |
| 05:24:16 | DevGirl[out] | needs some training |
| 05:24:16 | lalo | I could tutor both, but I was taliking to you :-) |
| 05:24:38 | Xentac[laptop] | notes that he has a linux firewall... so isn't sure how well that would work... |
| 05:24:49 | Xentac[laptop] | we need a server somewhere ;o) |
| 05:25:27 | Xentac[laptop] | cranks up the resolution... |
| 05:27:05 | lalo | we could use a public server, but people would probably join :-( |
| 05:27:10 | Xentac[laptop] | nods. |
| 05:27:13 | lalo | Mog's is running Flats |
| 05:27:23 | Xentac[laptop] | does a linux server work for the server? |
| 05:27:29 | lalo | no |
| 05:27:38 | lalo | but there is a tutorial on running thievery on wine |
| 05:27:59 | lalo | you'd probably not make it work soon enough, tough :-) |
| 05:28:05 | Xentac[laptop] | nods. |
| 05:28:07 | Xentac[laptop] | probably |
| 05:28:25 | Xentac[laptop] | hmmm... my fear is opening up ports and then my brother not being able to play as well... |
| 05:28:44 | lalo | that wouldn't be a problem, as he'll connect over LAN |
| 05:29:19 | lalo | either that or we use Mog's - your decision |
| 05:29:31 | Xentac[laptop] | mind researching what ports I need to open then? |
| 05:29:38 | Xentac[laptop] | can run the server... just doesn't know which ports... |
| 05:29:55 | lalo | ok |
| 05:30:24 | lalo | asking on #thievery |
| 05:31:15 | scanline | ahh.. antialiased pterm |
| 05:32:09 | lalo | hmm... nobody awaken on #thievery |
| 05:32:14 | lalo | scanline: whoa |
| 05:32:27 | scanline | takes a screenshot |
| 05:32:55 | lalo | searching the unreal wiki |
| 05:33:09 | scanline | http://picogui.org/download/aa_pterm.png |
| 05:34:05 | scanline | since antialiasing small fonts like that decreases the contrast, it looks a lot better black-on-white than the default gray-on-black |
| 05:35:06 | lalo | Xentac[laptop]: looks like you can run in any port you like, tough I don't know if this is TCP or UDP |
| 05:35:11 | captain_proton | scanline: finally got around to writing AA? |
| 05:35:16 | Xentac[laptop] | more than likely UDP |
| 05:35:19 | Xentac[laptop] | any port... really... |
| 05:35:26 | lalo | but I don't know what is the default |
| 05:35:29 | scanline | captain_proton: well, using freetype yes |
| 05:35:53 | scanline | http://picogui.org/download/aa_pterm_black.png |
| 05:36:18 | captain_proton | needs to rewrite his background drawer program since it won't compile with the new system |
| 05:36:21 | lalo | Multiplayer -> Start new multiplayer game |
| 05:36:24 | scanline | now if only I could run mutt correctly in this terminal :) |
| 05:36:27 | lalo | there is no way to choose the port :-( |
| 05:37:01 | Xentac[laptop] | there's a webserver port.. |
| 05:37:08 | lalo | scanline: I still prefere the black one |
| 05:37:19 | scanline | lalo: well, that's the default :) |
| 05:37:23 | lalo | Xentac[laptop]: yup, but that's for a spiffy admin interface you probably don't want |
| 05:38:32 | Xentac[laptop] | think you could keep looking then..? |
| 05:38:58 | lalo | I am. |
| 05:39:24 | Xentac[laptop] | cool |
| 05:40:08 | lalo | hmm |
| 05:40:15 | lalo | an output log gives the answer :-) |
| 05:40:28 | lalo | ScriptLog: UdpServerQuery(crt): Port 7778 successfully bound. |
| 05:40:32 | Xentac[laptop] | hehehe |
| 05:40:33 | Xentac[laptop] | alrighty |
| 05:41:06 | Xentac[laptop] | sets up the server |
| 05:41:21 | lalo | http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=53998&highlight=port |
| 05:41:44 | Xentac[laptop] | starts it |
| 05:41:54 | Xentac[laptop] | should be at xentac.net |
| 05:42:14 | Xentac[laptop] | starts as a thief... |
| 05:43:45 | lalo | I think a few more ports are needed |
| 05:44:04 | lalo | this is a better explanation: http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=52377&highlight=port |
| 05:44:07 | Xentac[laptop] | damn.. |
| 05:44:20 | Xentac[laptop] | ah, alrighty |
| 05:45:10 | captain_proton | scanline: interested in helping design a massive IDE controller? :) |
| 05:45:56 | Xentac[laptop] | lalo: try it now |
| 05:46:07 | Xentac[laptop] | can't figure out how to use the lockpicks.. |
| 05:46:20 | Xentac[laptop] | right clicks... then right clicks again.. then the lock picks move over the door... then what? |
| 05:46:33 | Xentac[laptop] | ah yes... hold it down... |
| 05:46:34 | Xentac[laptop] | hehehe |
| 05:46:37 | lalo | hold right button |
| 05:46:41 | lalo | yup :-) |
| 05:47:36 | lalo | there ain't much to teach to a thief player... perhaps some teamwork tatics |
| 05:47:53 | Xentac[laptop] | nods. |
| 05:48:04 | Xentac[laptop] | the one thing I liked about thief was that you could save and restore! |
| 05:48:05 | Xentac[laptop] | ;o) |
| 05:48:21 | lalo | but I will want to teach you to play as guard ;-) |
| 05:48:34 | lalo | bah, no connection yet |
| 05:48:46 | Xentac[laptop] | hehehe |
| 05:48:50 | Xentac[laptop] | strange... |
| 05:48:54 | Xentac[laptop] | re-checks the ports.. |
| 05:50:18 | scanline | captain_proton: I know just enough about IDE to make it slow |
| 05:50:34 | Xentac[laptop] | thieves don't need much teamwork... do they? |
| 05:51:34 | lalo | sometimes |
| 05:51:49 | Xentac[laptop] | ah... found my problem |
| 05:51:52 | Xentac[laptop] | fixes it. |
| 05:51:59 | lalo | sometimes it's just good :-) like distracting the guards while someone snatches the objective |
| 05:52:10 | Xentac[laptop] | nods. |
| 05:52:11 | lalo | I even played kamikaze once |
| 05:52:40 | lalo | purposely (sp?) playing like a total n00b so that all guards would follow me into a dead-end while the others ran away and won |
| 05:53:27 | Xentac[laptop] | is Korman fine? |
| 05:53:36 | lalo | ponders using a public server ;-) |
| 05:53:57 | Xentac[laptop] | last try |
| 05:53:57 | lalo | it's one of my favourites. It's also small enough to be a good lesson. |
| 05:54:01 | lalo | OH |
| 05:54:05 | lalo | I sem to have connected |
| 05:54:07 | Xentac[laptop] | try to join now |
| 05:54:09 | Xentac[laptop] | :) |
| 05:54:12 | Xentac[laptop] | fixed it. |
| 05:54:17 | captain_proton | scanline: well it would require some research... |
| 05:54:19 | lalo | at least I'm seeing the "thief with sword" screen |
| 05:54:22 | Xentac[laptop] | so... guard or thief? |
| 05:54:26 | Xentac[laptop] | nods. |
| 05:54:51 | Xentac[laptop] | thiefs. |
| 05:55:11 | scanline | hmm.. the black terminal looks a lot better with a little gamma correction |
| 05:59:00 | merlin262 | lol |
| 05:59:23 | merlin262 | pokes scanline |
| 05:59:28 | scanline | eh? |
| 05:59:35 | merlin262 | you have an ibook? |
| 05:59:48 | scanline | yes |
| 06:00:04 | merlin262 | could you tell me if sasteroids still shits out on it? |
| 06:00:09 | scanline | k |
| 06:02:03 | Xentac[laptop] | is away: thieving. |
| 06:03:09 | scanline | merlin262: where's the web site again? |
| 06:03:33 | merlin262 | scanline: only cvs, cvs.sdlsas.sourceforge.net |
| 06:03:36 | merlin262 | module SDLSasteroids |
| 06:03:49 | scanline | that's what I needed |
| 06:04:21 | scanline | heh... your first problem is i386-specific gcc flags |
| 06:04:30 | scanline | -march=pentium |
| 06:04:34 | merlin262 | blehhhh, forgot to take those out |
| 06:04:35 | scanline | -mcpu-pentium |
| 06:08:28 | merlin262 | that it scanline? |
| 06:08:44 | scanline | think so |
| 06:08:52 | merlin262 | it works?!?!?! |
| 06:09:03 | scanline | oh.. haven't tried it yet... was reading |
| 06:09:09 | merlin262 | lol |
| 06:11:08 | scanline | is there supposed to be a circle around the ship? |
| 06:11:15 | merlin262 | for now. :/ |
| 06:11:22 | scanline | well, it works |
| 06:11:25 | merlin262 | w00t! |
| 06:11:45 | merlin262 | thx |
| 06:11:46 | merlin262 | =) |
| 06:11:54 | scanline | sure |
| 06:11:57 | scanline | no problem |
| 06:15:06 | gonkulator | returns |
| 06:15:14 | gonkulator | PicoBot: seen scanline |
| 06:15:14 | PicoBot | scanline was last seen on #picogui 3 minutes and 16 seconds ago, saying: no problem [Sun Oct 13 00:11:57 2002] |
| 06:15:17 | gonkulator | hehehe |
| 06:15:18 | gonkulator | ok |
| 06:17:02 | merlin262 | now, I've spent all this time destroying other peoples productivity |
| 06:17:08 | merlin262 | time to work on something else. :D |
| 06:19:33 | Xentac[laptop] | gonkulator: you gonna play thieveryUT with us? |
| 06:22:24 | scanline | hi gonkulator |
| 06:27:09 | gonkulator | no time |
| 06:27:12 | gonkulator | is in bed now |
| 06:27:25 | scanline | is sooo hungry |
| 06:27:31 | gonkey{bed} | wireless is so cool |
| 06:27:32 | scanline | has pizza on the way :) |
| 06:27:33 | gonkey{bed} | scanline: RAMENS |
| 06:27:36 | gonkey{bed} | oooh |
| 06:27:38 | gonkey{bed} | even better |
| 06:27:54 | gonkey{bed} | scanline: are you going to run your AIM bot at all anymore? |
| 06:28:10 | gonkey{bed} | wants an AIM bot to bounce AIMness off of |
| 06:28:26 | gonkey{bed} | but can't afford one of his own :) |
| 06:38:27 | Xentac[laptop] | gonkey{bed}: so... no thievery? |
| 06:42:38 | gonkey{bed} | not for me tonight |
| 06:43:06 | gonkey{bed} | besides, my desktop is compiling gentoo meta-packages |
| 06:47:42 | scanline | hmm.. how the heck do you calculate fractional powers in fixed point math |
| 06:48:26 | gonkey{bed} | scanline: with the fractional fixed point power calculator :) |
| 06:48:36 | scanline | oh of course :P |
| 06:48:49 | scanline | needs to calculate gamma curve lookup tables using only integer math |
| 06:52:29 | scanline | reads the source code to libm's pow() function |
| 07:37:57 | KZR_lanPartying | gonky :) |
| 07:38:11 | Sophie | oh, he went to bed |
| 08:44:03 | Xentac[laptop] | is away: sleeping |
| 09:40:28 | scanline | PicoBot: emulate lilo |
| 09:40:29 | PicoBot | hi all, I'll be going down in a minute for some minor rehubbing |
| 09:40:56 | scanline | PicoBot: emulate atari |
| 09:40:56 | PicoBot | beeps. |
| 09:41:13 | scanline | PicoBot: emulate mozilla |
| 09:41:13 | PicoBot | scanline: what? |
| 09:41:30 | scanline | PicoBot: emulate mozilla is <action> sucks up a lot of memory and crashes |
| 09:41:30 | PicoBot | OK, scanline. |
| 09:42:06 | scanline | PicoBot: emulate emacs is <action> sucks up a lot of memory, slices, dices, and makes julienne fries |
| 09:42:06 | PicoBot | OK, scanline. |
| 09:46:18 | hikke | PicoBot: emulate emacs |
| 09:46:19 | PicoBot | sucks up a lot of memory, slices, dices, and makes julienne fries |
| 09:48:33 | scanline | PicoBot: emulate Dominos is <action> Delivers scanline's pizza until 3 AM |
| 09:48:33 | PicoBot | OK, scanline. |
| 10:53:56 | lalo | is back |
| 11:46:33 | lalo | Xentac[laptop]: just found out you can lockpick mines. Sounds a bit crazy, but whatever. :-) |
| 11:54:47 | DevGirl | Rise and shine :) |
| 12:30:54 | carpman | scanline: once again, you own |
| 12:31:03 | scanline | hi carpman |
| 12:31:05 | scanline | eh? |
| 12:31:10 | carpman | the new screenshot |
| 12:31:13 | scanline | ah :) |
| 12:31:18 | carpman | does emacs run in pterm now? |
| 12:31:21 | scanline | no |
| 12:31:25 | carpman | ah |
| 12:31:35 | scanline | there are still some bugs in the scrolling escapes.. I was surprised to see links mostly working |
| 12:31:48 | scanline | there are still some glitches with links, but it's usable |
| 12:32:12 | scanline | right now I'm trying to understand the freetype cache system... |
| 12:32:28 | scanline | I just got it using FT's face and size caches, and now it's slower :-/ |
| 12:32:36 | scanline | so I'm probably doing something wrong... |
| 12:33:46 | carpman | hmm |
| 12:34:10 | scanline | carpman: the gamma correction in this font engine has to use floating point.. I decided it wasn't worth the trouble to take fixed point numbers to fractional powers |
| 12:36:56 | carpman | yeah |
| 12:37:34 | carpman | btw, latest res_c is uploaded. I believe its ready to be used. |
| 12:37:45 | scanline | cool. I'll include it in the next OZ packages I make |
| 12:38:09 | carpman | we can start using resbuild in the makefiles in the apps directory, so there mostly pre-packaged. |
| 12:38:13 | scanline | after I finish fixing font_freetype and the field widget, I'll update the OZ packages |
| 12:38:16 | scanline | spiffy |
| 12:38:53 | scanline | started font_freetype on a whim because he was tired of looking at ugly BDF fonts while debugging the textbox :) |
| 12:39:00 | carpman | hehe |
| 12:39:04 | scanline | 2500 lines of code later... :) |
| 12:39:05 | carpman | I know how that goes. |
| 12:39:25 | lalo | it's a good thing |
| 12:39:28 | carpman | well, this needed doing anyway, and it looks QUITE cool |
| 12:39:39 | lalo | it always kind of bugged me that you have to recompile pgserver to install a font ;-) |
| 12:39:44 | scanline | yep. hopefully I can make it fast enough on PDAs too |
| 12:39:52 | scanline | lalo: not any more, finally :) |
| 12:40:02 | scanline | lalo: there are a ton of config variables for this |
| 12:40:05 | lalo | goes cvs up on res_c |
| 12:40:22 | scanline | 13 config variables in the font-freetype section |
| 12:40:37 | carpman | lalo: if I missed any files, let me know. I updated the build system, so I might have missed something. |
| 12:40:43 | lalo | ok |
| 12:40:59 | scanline | I built res_c yesterday I think, and it worked |
| 12:41:07 | lalo | too bad it's a royal PITA to rename stuff on CVS |
| 12:41:16 | scanline | but I haven't looked at it in detail.. I get wrapped up in fun stuff like typography :) |
| 12:41:18 | carpman | yeah. This one is even cleaner. |
| 12:41:29 | lalo | I think I will simply wipe vrsilk from the face of virtuearth |
| 12:41:36 | carpman | hehe |
| 12:41:52 | carpman | oh, I submited my votes for the release name on the list |
| 12:41:54 | scanline | All this really needs for it to be fast enough on PDAs is good glyph caching, and a fast alpha_charblit primitive |
| 12:41:54 | carpman | >:) |
| 12:42:14 | scanline | hehe |
| 12:42:36 | lalo | wonders why his .cvsrc refuses to work |
| 12:42:45 | scanline | 0.42 definitely needs a silly name, since I'm sure it will blow up the moment I tag a version number on it :) |
| 12:42:59 | carpman | hehe |
| 12:43:41 | lalo | "the bomb" |
| 12:44:09 | lalo | or perhaps "blockbomb" but it will sound funny if we don't have a tetrinet client |
| 12:44:22 | scanline | hehe |
| 12:44:30 | scanline | I wonder if there's a tetrinet for SDL :) |
| 12:44:41 | scanline | I was hoping to find a VNC client for sdl.. but no such luck |
| 12:44:42 | lalo | captain_proton: it builds |
| 12:44:53 | carpman | :) |
| 12:44:58 | lalo | there are some warnings (not compiler warnings) |
| 12:45:10 | carpman | ? |
| 12:45:11 | lalo | ./configure: select.in: Arquivo ou diret?rio n?o encontrado |
| 12:45:19 | lalo | (that is "file not found") |
| 12:45:27 | carpman | but I uploaded it |
| 12:45:33 | carpman | grrrr |
| 12:46:04 | lalo | then on "make install": cp: cannot stat `@PGSERVER_DIR@/include/res_c/*.h': Arquivo ou diretório não encontrado |
| 12:46:10 | carpman | yep |
| 12:46:23 | scanline | hmm... "Activity Percentile (last week): 97.1975%" |
| 12:46:25 | carpman | forgot to commit |
| 12:46:49 | lalo | I wonder what this percentile means |
| 12:47:06 | carpman | ok, select.in commited |
| 12:47:31 | scanline | lalo: I can show you the PHP file sourceforge uses to calculate it.. it's an equation that includes number of CVS commits, web site hits, downloads, bug tracker entries, etc. |
| 12:47:40 | scanline | but I think that's the highest I've seen it |
| 12:47:48 | scanline | should be even higher once there's something for people to download |
| 12:48:12 | carpman | lalo: don't worry about the cannot stat |
| 12:49:32 | carpman | its just cruft left in the build system I haven't cleaned out yet. |
| 12:51:28 | lalo | but it's measured in percent of what? |
| 12:51:42 | carpman | lalo: insanity :) |
| 12:51:59 | scanline | lalo: of the activity rating from the most active project on sourceforge, I think |
| 12:52:11 | lalo | seems like. |
| 12:52:23 | carpman | "Why cant you be 100% active like your brother?" |
| 12:52:25 | lalo | (now you decide which of you I was talking to) |
| 12:52:33 | scanline | :) |
| 12:56:41 | lalo | hmm |
| 12:57:00 | lalo | now that all fonts are optional, perhaps you could do like the kernel people do and document how much each of them adds to the binary size |
| 12:57:17 | scanline | I've wanted to do something like that across the whole config system |
| 12:57:24 | scanline | that and better dependencies |
| 12:57:28 | scanline | s/better// |
| 12:57:57 | lalo | all options should have a working "help" button, but I think it's too early to do that |
| 12:58:14 | lalo | I think just the size of the fonts would be fine for now :-) |
| 12:58:45 | scanline | it would be nice to switch to CML2 or LKC.. then we could have the config system enforce the (many times not at all obvious) dependencies between video drivers, input drivers, and VBLs |
| 12:59:01 | carpman | lets enslave^H^H^H^H^H^H^Henlist gonulator to do that :) |
| 12:59:26 | carpman | he'es good with people, which is probably a good thing in help menus |
| 12:59:41 | lalo | compiling pgserver |
| 13:00:07 | scanline | gamma correction must be a black art... |
| 13:00:33 | lalo | it can be a blacker or whiter art depending on how much you do |
| 13:00:40 | scanline | yep :) |
| 13:00:54 | carpman | *duh* *DUH* *pshhhh* |
| 13:03:05 | lalo | font_freetype.c:104: `FT_LOAD_NO_AUTOHINT' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 13:03:11 | lalo | is my freetype too old? |
| 13:03:17 | scanline | probably |
| 13:03:43 | scanline | just a sec, let me commit my changes right now... I've nearly rewritten that file again without committing it yet |
| 13:04:00 | lalo | ok |
| 13:04:15 | scanline | ok, committed |
| 13:04:28 | lalo | vigorously smacks the head of developers that introduce incompatible changes in libraries without incrementing the major number |
| 13:04:28 | scanline | be warned that it's really slow right now, for an unknown reason |
| 13:04:54 | lalo | np, I'm not planning to try it on the vr3 yet |
| 13:05:13 | scanline | I'm not exaggerating, it's sluggish on my dual athlon :) |
| 13:05:25 | scanline | something's going horribly wrong with the caching is all I can figure |
| 13:05:33 | lalo | oh |
| 13:06:07 | scanline | It was only slightly slow before I tried caching |
| 13:12:53 | scanline | ah.. this looks much better using separate gamma corrections for light foreground colors and dark foreground colors |
| 13:16:54 | scanline | reads mozilla source code to see how it uses freetype |
| 13:17:03 | lalo | ooooooh |
| 13:17:11 | lalo | watch out, your eyes may fall. |
| 13:17:30 | scanline | I grep what I need, and ignore the rest :) |
| 13:18:21 | carpman | "When you can't figure it out yourself, jack it." - Old progammer axiom. |
| 13:19:15 | scanline | There are some things in here I should bug the freetype developers about... like: |
| 13:19:16 | scanline | /* Is there no better way to detect a condensed font? */ |
| 13:19:17 | scanline | if (f->style_name && strstr(f->style_name,"ondensed")) |
| 13:19:17 | scanline | fs->style |= PG_FSTYLE_CONDENSED; |
| 13:19:17 | scanline | } |
| 13:19:52 | carpman | eww |
| 13:20:04 | scanline | freetype has flags for bold and italic, but not condensed... I also can't figure out how to detect fonts that have nonstandard character sets, like dingbat and symbol fonts |
| 13:20:28 | scanline | Without specifying the font name manually, it defaults to the MS Webdings font since it's the last one it scanned :) |
| 13:21:02 | scanline | so for now I have the default name of the default font set to one that comes with OpenOffice |
| 13:21:42 | scanline | is much more happy with the font handling code in this freetype engine than the SDL_ttf/OpenGL engine he wrote for sdlgl |
| 13:25:22 | scanline | whoa! |
| 13:25:52 | scanline | I just added code to optimize out FTC_Manager_Lookup_Size calls for consecutive accesses to the same font descriptor, and it's way faster |
| 13:25:58 | scanline | commits |
| 13:27:03 | scanline | It's usable-on-my-athlon fast now... with the glyph cache maybe it will be usable on a PDA too |
| 13:33:03 | lalo | you unstable you :-( I haven't even compiled yet since the last update, now I need to update again |
| 13:33:14 | scanline | haha |
| 13:33:33 | scanline | I'll leave the CVS alone for a while.. need to figure out the glyph cache in freetype |
| 13:33:44 | lalo | nm, I was joking |
| 13:33:55 | scanline | :) |
| 13:34:00 | scanline | got past that freetype problem? |
| 13:36:04 | lalo | hmm |
| 13:36:19 | lalo | yes, but got another] |
| 13:36:30 | lalo | perhaps it's one of those days you just have to "make clean". |
| 13:36:35 | scanline | I think I'm using some relatively new features of freetype |
| 13:36:52 | scanline | All the cache code is still marked "beta", and I think the hinting flags are relatively new |
| 13:37:27 | lalo | libfreetype6-dev_2.1.2-7_i386.deb |
| 13:38:33 | scanline | think that's the same one i'm using |
| 13:38:52 | scanline | I have a copy of freetype checked out of CVS for reference, but I'm actually compiling against the debian package |
| 13:44:30 | lalo | hmm, it's conflicting with sdlgl |
| 13:45:42 | scanline | oh.. you'll have to turn off sdlgl for now, I haven't even started to update it for the font engine changes |
| 13:45:53 | scanline | same with ncurses |
| 13:45:55 | lalo | yup, doing that already |
| 13:46:25 | lalo | not like I actually use it anyway :-) |
| 13:46:28 | scanline | :) |
| 13:51:02 | carpman | w00t |
| 13:51:03 | carpman | http://www.pcmods.com/details.asp?prodID=516 |
| 13:51:16 | carpman | Just need to save a LITTLE more |
| 13:51:39 | scanline | wow, didn't know lian-li made desktop cases |
| 13:52:05 | carpman | That one can go either way. |
| 13:52:10 | scanline | I wanted to get one of their midtowers with the builtin removable disk bays... but decided to do something a little more custom instead |
| 13:52:25 | carpman | well, bbl |
| 13:52:27 | scanline | ah, neat |
| 14:12:28 | file[downstairs] | hi everybody |
| 14:13:01 | LoneTech | scanline! |
| 14:13:22 | LoneTech | did he leave? |
| 14:13:23 | scanline | hi LoneTech! |
| 14:13:23 | file[downstairs] | hi LoneTech |
| 14:13:28 | LoneTech | ah, good! |
| 14:13:31 | scanline | :) |
| 14:13:33 | scanline | :( |
| 14:13:33 | LoneTech | we need your layout engine |
| 14:13:34 | scanline | err |
| 14:13:37 | scanline | (: |
| 14:13:40 | file[downstairs] | yeekz |
| 14:13:43 | scanline | who needs what layout engine where? |
| 14:13:46 | file[downstairs] | dog woke me up early |
| 14:13:49 | LoneTech | Blender has gone GPL |
| 14:13:52 | LoneTech | we bought it out |
| 14:13:59 | scanline | yep, I heard the good news |
| 14:14:05 | LoneTech | and the UI currently has a picogui-like subdivision for windows.. |
| 14:14:13 | LoneTech | but no layout system _inside_ the windows. |
| 14:14:25 | LoneTech | we need to group up the buttons so they can be shuffled around |
| 14:14:32 | file[downstairs] | oh my, Tux889 is already playing some DJ Doboy |
| 14:14:40 | LoneTech | (so we can make vertical buttonwindows, or toolbars) |
| 14:14:59 | scanline | LoneTech: you could try using the picogui layout engine of course, I don't know how easy it would be since the layout engine code isn't really modular yet |
| 14:15:25 | LoneTech | could just reinvent it |
| 14:15:34 | scanline | yeah, it's not very complicated |
| 14:15:37 | LoneTech | brb |
| 14:15:48 | scanline | Pretty much everything you'd be interested in is in gcore/div.c |
| 14:16:07 | scanline | Big file by pgserver standards, 1035 lines.. but still not that big |
| 14:16:15 | LoneTech | have to attend tinderbox talk.. will be back |
| 14:16:19 | scanline | k |
| 14:20:12 | file[downstairs] | has to install Windows 2000 today |
| 14:20:53 | scanline | scanline[second floor aden hall room 224] doesn't |
| 14:21:11 | scanline | err.. third floor I guess, depending on how you count |
| 14:21:26 | scanline | the ground floor is really 0th |
| 14:23:32 | file[downstairs] | hello paq |
| 14:24:38 | paq | hi file |
| 14:27:55 | scanline | is using no less than 4 caches in this thing.. scary.. |
| 14:31:52 | paq | scanline - do you actually use your PDA as reallife pim? |
| 14:32:18 | scanline | paq: not yet, just use it for development at this point |
| 14:32:42 | paq | ahh ok.. :) |
| 14:34:21 | scanline | it should be close now though... |
| 14:34:50 | scanline | After another handful of bugs fixed, there's no reason why picogui couldn't support a full PIM suite |
| 14:34:52 | paq | cool |
| 14:35:07 | scanline | paq: also, I still have Opie on my zaurus, and I want to install X too |
| 14:35:22 | scanline | I want to use the VT switching and boot menu stuff kergoth has planned :) |
| 14:35:43 | paq | i've never tried picogui... been looking at the screenshots :) looks really neat.. |
| 14:35:52 | scanline | :) |
| 14:36:11 | scanline | There is a major lack of apps right now, but the framework is mostly there |
| 14:36:30 | scanline | and the architecture is really cool, especially compared to a traditional GUI like X or QT/E |
| 14:36:43 | paq | can't run existing apps on it? |
| 14:36:52 | lalo | it's the neatest GUI thing in real existence (by "real" I mean, excluding berlin) |
| 14:37:00 | scanline | not without some compatibility layer |
| 14:37:03 | scanline | lalo: :) |
| 14:37:33 | paq | heh is it berlin or fresco now... |
| 14:38:02 | scanline | paq: there might be a way to run X, Qt, or Gtk apps inside picogui in the future, but the design is different enough that in most cases you can't port an existing GUI. There's already a compatibility layer for SDL apps though, so you can run some games |
| 14:38:18 | paq | cool |
| 14:39:06 | lalo | the way to run X apps will most likely be a vnc client or x-server-in-picogui-client (like xnest) IMO |
| 14:39:15 | scanline | yes |
| 14:39:34 | scanline | maybe even a rootless X server, like what's used on MacOS X |
| 14:40:26 | paq | heh... alpha blended gamma corrected beta software :) (today's screenshot) |
| 14:40:53 | scanline | hehe, I'm hacking on that driver right now trying to make it fast enough for real use |
| 14:41:13 | scanline | s/driver/font engine/ |
| 14:43:34 | paq | btw, you're mainly writing this for desktop, with pda's as an afterthought..? |
| 14:43:54 | scanline | paq: no, it's actually written to be scalable to as many platforms as possible |
| 14:44:06 | scanline | paq: I'm just usually testing it on the desktop since it's most convenient |
| 14:44:23 | scanline | it's run on some really varied hardware, and I took screenshots of most of it :) |
| 14:44:49 | paq | ok.. |
| 14:45:35 | paq | cool :) will it take advantage of available hardware acceleration? (3d hardware for alpha blending, etc) |
| 14:46:59 | scanline | The core of the picogui video system has really good support for acceleration, but most drivers don't have any acceleration to offer. There is an OpenGL driver that has some nice accelerated blending, and even weirder features. No general-purpose accelerated drivers for desktops yet, but XFrank or DirectFB could fix that |
| 14:48:21 | paq | woot |
| 14:48:40 | scanline | wonder if jimlay has made any progress on xfrank... |
| 14:48:58 | scanline | he had this plan to create a library that lets other GUIs access XFree86's video drivers directly |
| 14:49:46 | scanline | I'd like to add a DirectFB driver. shouldn't be hard, just haven't gotten around to it |
| 14:54:51 | paq | say, has there been any good borderless window manager..? |
| 14:55:18 | scanline | ion's not bad, as long as you don't need any apps that like lots of small windows, like gimp |
| 14:58:18 | paq | cool, it's in woody (deb) too.. |
| 14:59:39 | lalo | I once tried ion, not bad, but completely impracticable for me as I have to use the gimp now and then :-( |
| 15:00:12 | scanline | It would be nice if you could define one frame in ion to act as a container for overlapping windows, so you could put gimp in that |
| 15:01:03 | lalo | tries to imagine a picogui port of the gimp |
| 15:01:56 | scanline | hmm.. toolbar along one side with the gimp palette in it, each image in a panel or tab within the rest of the app |
| 15:04:21 | lalo | PicoBot: cheese |
| 15:04:22 | PicoBot | cheese is gonkulator's favorite food |
| 15:04:24 | lalo | PicoBot: cheese |
| 15:04:25 | PicoBot | cheese us gwist! |
| 15:04:46 | lalo | you have to see the truetype fonts to realize how much the old ones sucked ;-) |
| 15:04:54 | lalo | picogui looks a lot better now for no apparent reason |
| 15:05:02 | scanline | Of course the old ones sucked, they were copied from X :) |
| 15:06:45 | file[downstairs] | hey all |
| 15:07:06 | scanline | hi file |
| 15:07:29 | file[downstairs] | is waiting for Partition Magic to skew Tux889's system |
| 15:11:44 | lalo | hmm? "P" in atomicnav? |
| 15:12:00 | scanline | eh? |
| 15:12:21 | lalo | I thought atomicnav was kind of "on hold" :-) |
| 15:12:38 | scanline | oh... I updated it a little so I could use it for testing textbox |
| 15:12:55 | scanline | just made it use the new style textformat property |
| 15:13:26 | file[downstairs] | neat |
| 15:13:50 | scanline | oh... /me understands this SBitCache now |
| 15:14:12 | scanline | spiffy.. I can even use it to keep multiple copies of the glyph with different gamma corrections applied |
| 15:20:14 | lalo | kills vr3silk |
| 15:23:29 | LoneTech | re |
| 15:24:13 | scanline | wb |
| 15:24:18 | LoneTech | thanks |
| 15:24:34 | LoneTech | Blender went the dual license way.. what a bother |
| 15:24:56 | scanline | Which licenses? |
| 15:25:06 | LoneTech | GPL and a Blender License |
| 15:25:28 | lalo | holy s*t |
| 15:25:38 | paq | after the 100k? |
| 15:25:40 | LoneTech | the BL essentially says that the Blender Foundation may sell a license to use it, and distribute proprietary binaries. |
| 15:25:46 | LoneTech | yes, we collected the 100k |
| 15:25:47 | scanline | bah! |
| 15:25:58 | LoneTech | yes, I don't like the BL.. |
| 15:26:03 | lalo | w3m somehow detected the parent process of the parent process of its parent process was a xterm and displayed the images on it :-/ |
| 15:26:08 | LoneTech | but the GPL is irrevocable |
| 15:26:45 | scanline | LoneTech: so that's about the same licensing position Qt is in |
| 15:26:53 | LoneTech | unless you sign over the copyright of your contributions to the Blender Foundation, the BL cannot be applied to those contributions. This is what's the tiresome thing. |
| 15:26:54 | scanline | lalo: hehe |
| 15:26:59 | LoneTech | yes |
| 15:29:08 | lalo | yay, mutt is almost usable |
| 15:29:18 | hikke | woot |
| 15:29:18 | lalo | perhaps I should post a screenshot ;-) |
| 15:29:34 | scanline | lalo: there's something funky with the scrolling... AFAIK all the important escapes are implemented, but they're not quite correct |
| 15:29:45 | scanline | sure, screenshots are always fun :) |
| 15:29:46 | lalo | yup |
| 15:29:51 | lalo | that's the "almost" |
| 15:30:13 | scanline | pterm still mostly barfs at vttest.. I've improved it, but there's still a ways to go |
| 15:30:27 | scanline | terminal emulation is a messy business |
| 15:30:33 | LoneTech | yep. |
| 15:32:57 | scanline | oh wow, first try after installing a glyph cache, and it runs.. but I seem to have messed up the metrics somewhere along the way |
| 15:33:13 | scanline | and the gamma isn't right |
| 15:37:54 | lalo | hmm |
| 15:38:04 | lalo | it doesn't seem to be finding the tt fonts |
| 15:38:09 | lalo | ponders |
| 15:38:21 | scanline | by default it does a recursive search of /usr/share/fonts |
| 15:39:03 | lalo | yup, that's where my fonts are |
| 15:39:25 | scanline | hmm... just a sec |
| 15:40:10 | scanline | Stick these lines in font_freetype.c right after the call to ft_face_scan(): |
| 15:40:11 | scanline | for (f=ft_facelist;f;f=f->next) printf("Indexed font file \"%s\" with family \"%s\", style %d\n", f->file_path,f->fs.name,f->fs.style); |
| 15:40:24 | lalo | we all love debugging output ;-) |
| 15:41:02 | scanline | There isn't much error checking in this code yet |
| 15:43:00 | file[downstairs] | I might install Windows 2000 |
| 15:43:14 | file[downstairs] | or atleast try to |
| 15:44:20 | lalo | funny, no output at all |
| 15:45:26 | scanline | lalo: try checking the return code on the call to FTC_Manager_Lookup_Face() in ft_face_load() |
| 15:45:58 | scanline | lalo: since Freetype supports so many formats and the path you give should only contain fonts, it just attempts to load every file in the directory and ignores the ones that don't load |
| 15:50:18 | lalo | BAH |
| 15:50:48 | scanline | sorry for the braindead font indexer :) |
| 15:51:27 | lalo | freetype_engine_init doesn't seem to be called |
| 15:51:32 | scanline | OH |
| 15:51:40 | scanline | I forgot to mention that part... |
| 15:51:49 | lalo | either there is something wrong with my setup, or freetype tripped on my crotch |
| 15:51:53 | lalo | bah. |
| 15:51:53 | scanline | you can select between font engines at runtime |
| 15:51:59 | scanline | err, at loadtime anyway |
| 15:52:04 | lalo | :-) |
| 15:52:07 | scanline | try --font_engine=freetype on the commandline |
| 15:52:12 | lalo | aaaaaaaah. |
| 15:52:37 | lalo | gets the crotch out of the way |
| 15:52:45 | lalo | yay, now it took ages to load as expected. |
| 15:53:02 | lalo | mWAHUWAHWUHAUHUAWHAUHWUAHW |
| 15:53:23 | lalo | it defaulted to some dingbat/wingding font, since I don't have openoffice :-) |
| 15:53:40 | scanline | lalo: yeah, the font indexing is dumb... need a way to specify a file listing the font files, names, and such so it doens't have to discover that each time |
| 15:53:57 | scanline | hehehe.. it can't tell the difference between dingbat fonts and normal ones yet :) |
| 15:54:21 | scanline | you can specify a font name with something like --font-freetype.default_name=Arial |
| 15:54:35 | scanline | lots of config options documented in README.configfile for font-freetype |
| 15:55:16 | scanline | Actually, I don't have openoffice installed either, but there's a debian package with the fonts from openoffice :) |
| 15:56:45 | scanline | hmm.. I get this lovely smear when it tries to draw all the characters on the screen at the same point |
| 15:56:50 | lalo | I know, I read it (README.configfile) |
| 15:56:59 | lalo | trying to get default_name to listen to me now |
| 15:57:25 | scanline | I should add a config option that just lists all the fonts it finds and exits |
| 15:57:44 | lalo | doesn't seem to work |
| 15:58:28 | scanline | could be pgserver thinks the name is something different... you still have that debug code I pasted you? |
| 15:58:29 | lalo | wha? it's indexing the pfa's and pfb's too |
| 15:58:33 | lalo | yes |
| 15:58:53 | lalo | actually what I tried was pasting family names from the debugging output :-) |
| 15:58:58 | scanline | ah :) |
| 15:59:04 | scanline | well hmm then... |
| 15:59:04 | lalo | Courier, "Courier New" |
| 15:59:24 | scanline | oh.. it won't default to a fixed width font |
| 16:00:08 | lalo | ah. |
| 16:00:56 | lalo | Arial doesn't work either |
| 16:01:00 | lalo | yawns |
| 16:01:03 | scanline | hrm... |
| 16:01:32 | scanline | the font matching code might still be flaky |
| 16:01:55 | scanline | The font picker dialog still doesn't work |
| 16:02:12 | scanline | glyph cache almost works though... it's helping a lot |
| 16:02:45 | lalo | wtf... |
| 16:02:49 | lalo | installs ttf-openoffice |
| 16:03:01 | lalo | not that big even |
| 16:03:13 | scanline | yeah.. there are only a few fonts |
| 16:10:55 | file[downstairs] | bbl |
| 16:10:57 | file[downstairs] | gotta setup network |
| 16:16:22 | lalo | hmm? Sean Barnes knows PicoBot? |
| 16:16:31 | lalo | PicoBot: sean barnes? |
| 16:16:32 | PicoBot | wish i knew, lalo |
| 16:16:34 | lalo | me too. |
| 16:16:38 | scanline | PicoBot: sbarnes? |
| 16:16:39 | PicoBot | i heard sbarnes was Sean... a 16-year-old hacker =) |
| 16:16:49 | scanline | He used to hang out in here |
| 16:18:38 | scanline | hmm.. I need a shower before I eat lunch with my parents |
| 16:18:45 | scanline | is away: standing in the wet room |
| 16:44:28 | scanline | is back (gone 00:25:43) |
| 16:45:10 | scanline | gets frustrated with FTC_SBitCache |
| 16:46:59 | Xentac[laptop] | is back (gone 08:02:56) |
| 16:47:18 | file[radio] | File Radio in 1 hour and 15 minutes |
| 16:47:24 | paq | wb |
| 16:47:36 | Xentac[laptop] | thanks |
| 16:50:07 | paq | anyone know about gsm\gprs cf cards? do those work pretty much like serial modems..? |
| 16:50:19 | Xentac | has no idea... |
| 17:00:52 | Xentac | is away: doing things other than playing on the computer |
| 17:19:15 | scanline | SBit doesn't handle gamma or subpixel positioning... Image doesn't handle gamma, and it's big... I think I need a new cache type |
| 17:26:26 | scanline | Or maybe I'll just use FTC_Image_Cache, and apply the alpha table at render time.. that shouldn't be a big speed penalty, and it could save a lot of memory |
| 17:26:43 | scanline | or maybe I'll get some lunch |
| 17:41:12 | scanline | is away: lunch |
| 18:08:58 | file[radio] | mmm |
| 18:30:56 | file2 | hey all |
| 18:31:00 | file2 | anybody alive? |
| 18:31:50 | darth_balls | is |
| 18:31:54 | file2 | neat |
| 18:32:02 | file2 | inde |
| 18:34:09 | darth_balls | is getting frustrated |
| 18:37:04 | file2 | http://www.file-radio.com/webcam/ |
| 18:37:15 | kergoth | hey people. |
| 18:37:38 | file2 | smiles |
| 18:37:45 | file2 | go visit it... |
| 18:38:57 | darth_balls | ok |
| 18:39:13 | darth_balls | I gotta question: do I need to put a bootable flag on my boot partition? |
| 18:39:17 | file2 | shrugs |
| 18:40:50 | lalo | not in any modern bootloader |
| 18:41:06 | lalo | afaik it's ignored |
| 18:41:38 | kergoth | darth_balls: only if you plan on using a stock msdos mbr |
| 18:41:58 | kergoth | personally, i use 'mbr' in my mbr, and grub on my boot partition |
| 18:44:25 | file2 | DARN IT |
| 18:44:32 | file2 | my music editor keeps asking me to the same thing over and over |
| 18:46:27 | darth_balls | thanks guys |
| 19:02:41 | file2 | what's everyone up to? |
| 19:08:13 | darth_balls | trying to install gentoo |
| 19:09:30 | file2 | oh my |
| 19:12:58 | darth_balls | I think I may start over |
| 19:13:09 | darth_balls | I keep getting an error 25 on GRUB when I try to boot |
| 19:13:32 | file2 | File Radio is broadcasting |
| 19:13:42 | darth_balls | anyone have any suggestions? |
| 19:15:16 | scanline | is back (gone 01:34:04) |
| 19:15:23 | file2 | wb scanline |
| 19:15:26 | scanline | thanks |
| 19:15:28 | file2 | scanline: I'm streaming at 64kbps stereo!!! |
| 19:15:32 | darth_balls | hey scanline |
| 19:15:35 | scanline | hi |
| 19:16:42 | darth_balls | has anyone ever used mandrake? |
| 19:17:04 | file2 | scanline: http://www.file-radio.com/webcam/ |
| 19:17:21 | scanline | darth_balls: yes, otherwise I'd think its developers would get rather depressed |
| 19:17:39 | darth_balls | ^_^ has anyone here ever used it? |
| 19:17:52 | scanline | file2: oh my that's scary |
| 19:18:00 | file2 | lol |
| 19:18:20 | scanline | crappy webcam server too... no streaming, and sometimes it doesn't even load :P |
| 19:18:28 | file2 | that's when it's uploading :p |
| 19:18:31 | file2 | it's not a server anyway |
| 19:18:38 | file2 | it just uploads to my web host |
| 19:19:16 | darth_balls | ^_^ |
| 19:19:45 | darth_balls | scanline: have you ever gotten an "error 25" when loading grub? |
| 19:19:50 | scanline | no |
| 19:20:08 | darth_balls | I cannot figure out what is wrong with this computer. ARG!!!!! |
| 19:20:24 | file2 | stabs it |
| 19:20:33 | darth_balls | stabs it hard |
| 19:20:35 | file2 | no File talkings today on File Radio - we're having technical difficulties |
| 19:20:53 | scanline | is away: grumbling in his sleep |
| 19:20:57 | file2 | Enjoy! |
| 20:44:23 | carpman | hi all |
| 20:44:39 | carpman | PicoBot: seen scanline |
| 20:44:39 | PicoBot | scanline was last seen on #picogui 1 hours, 23 minutes and 45 seconds ago, saying: is away: grumbling in his sleep [Sun Oct 13 13:20:53 2002] |
| 20:44:45 | carpman | PicoBot: seen merlin262 |
| 20:44:45 | PicoBot | merlin262 was last seen on #picogui 14 hours, 27 minutes and 37 seconds ago, saying: time to work on something else. :D [Sun Oct 13 00:17:08 2002] |
| 20:45:09 | carpman | PicoBot: seen gonkulator |
| 20:45:09 | PicoBot | gonkulator was last seen on #picogui 14 hours, 17 minutes and 57 seconds ago, saying: is in bed now [Sun Oct 13 00:27:12 2002] |
| 20:47:00 | file[radio] | mmm hi carpman |
| 20:56:51 | file[Tux889] | transfers Windows 2000 over the LAN (crossover cable actually) |
| 20:58:29 | anonyman | #mathtalk |
| 21:10:22 | gonkulator | hmm... |
| 21:10:28 | gonkulator | PicoBot: seen scanline |
| 21:10:29 | PicoBot | scanline was last seen on #picogui 1 hours, 49 minutes and 35 seconds ago, saying: is away: grumbling in his sleep [Sun Oct 13 13:20:53 2002] |
| 21:10:33 | gonkulator | hehehe |
| 21:10:38 | gonkulator | is off to the grocery store |
| 21:13:25 | gonkulator | actually, no |
| 21:14:51 | carpman | hi gonkulator |
| 21:18:18 | merlin262 | hey carpman, check out the latest CVS, it should work on your ibook now instead of gobbling up resources and crashing |
| 21:18:28 | merlin262 | and, Be Wary Of the Green 'stroids!!! wmahhahahhahaha |
| 21:18:29 | merlin262 | =D |
| 21:19:22 | carpman | hmmm |
| 21:21:00 | carpman | merlin262: you are EVIL |
| 21:21:17 | carpman | EEEVIL I say, EEEEEVIL |
| 21:21:18 | merlin262 | don't like the green 'strois? |
| 21:21:27 | gonkulator | hi carpman |
| 21:21:34 | carpman | shrapnel stroids |
| 21:22:20 | merlin262 | hehe |
| 21:43:14 | gonkulator | pokes carpman |
| 21:43:18 | gonkulator | PicoBot: seen carpman |
| 21:43:18 | PicoBot | carpman was last seen on #picogui 21 minutes and 45 seconds ago, saying: shrapnel stroids [Sun Oct 13 15:21:33 2002] |
| 21:43:22 | gonkulator | doh |
| 21:45:57 | merlin262 | hi gonkulator |
| 21:48:28 | merlin262 | w00t, blender is GPL finally. |
| 21:48:39 | kergoth | merlin262: it is? woot! |
| 21:51:05 | merlin262 | time to do a webpage. :/ |
| 21:52:03 | lalo | cya |
| 21:52:12 | gonkulator | later lalo[out] |
| 21:52:20 | merlin262 | l8r |
| 21:55:55 | lalo[out] | carpman: write a README at least for res_c :-) I think I got it, but I wouldn't mind a hint or two |
| 21:56:08 | carpman | k |
| 22:11:13 | carpman | is away: outside |
| 22:11:47 | gonkulator | merlin262: I am in the process of comming up with more contests :) |
| 22:12:06 | gonkulator | merlin262: to give you an idea, the last contest was a tic tac toe program that had to be as small as possible |
| 22:12:15 | gonkulator | were the source code was as small as possible |
| 22:12:21 | gonkulator | both entries were less than 1 k |
| 22:13:59 | gonkulator | and both entries always either won or tied |
| 22:14:29 | gonkulator | if they could win, they had to |
| 22:15:52 | gonkulator | and the winning entry was 600 some bytes |
| 22:16:34 | merlin262 | hmm...... 600 some byes eh? |
| 22:16:41 | gonkulator | yeah |
| 22:17:52 | merlin262 | damn that's small |
| 22:18:03 | gonkulator | the contest that got postponed will probably be 300 some bytes |
| 22:18:10 | gonkulator | if not a bit smaller |
| 22:19:03 | gonkulator | I might be surprised and have an entry that is 200 some bytes |
| 22:19:43 | merlin262 | does a tic tac toe program |
| 22:19:50 | merlin262 | tries to get it < 600 bytes |
| 22:20:13 | gonkulator | quick hint |
| 22:20:18 | gonkulator | ABUSE the preprocessor :) |
| 22:20:34 | merlin262 | but #define takes a lot of bytes. |
| 22:20:35 | merlin262 | =D |
| 22:20:47 | merlin262 | uses goto's |
| 22:20:48 | gonkulator | yep |
| 22:20:49 | merlin262 | :P |
| 22:21:06 | gonkulator | obfuscation is completely optional :) |
| 22:22:11 | gonkulator | but it is the by-product of this sort of contest :) |
| 22:23:41 | merlin262 | we don't have to formulate the input in any specific way do we? |
| 22:23:51 | gonkulator | no |
| 22:24:07 | gonkulator | would you like to see scanline's entry? |
| 22:24:19 | merlin262 | no hints. :)_ |
| 22:24:43 | gonkulator | ok :) |
| 22:24:54 | gonkulator | the next one is even better than tic tac toe |
| 22:25:02 | gonkulator | because the problem is much simpler |
| 22:25:05 | merlin262 | chess? |
| 22:25:06 | merlin262 | hehe |
| 22:25:10 | gonkulator | but the amount of C involved is more |
| 22:25:30 | captain_proton | the one you invited me to was postponed? |
| 22:25:55 | gonkulator | captain_proton: yeah |
| 22:26:01 | gonkulator | friday |
| 22:26:14 | gonkulator | I'll be up in boulder for it |
| 22:26:20 | captain_proton | what time friday? |
| 22:26:36 | gonkulator | I don't know yet |
| 22:26:41 | gonkulator | probably like 5:00 PM |
| 22:26:58 | captain_proton | hmm, could it be 30 mins later? |
| 22:27:04 | gonkulator | sure |
| 22:27:10 | captain_proton | k |
| 22:27:54 | gonkulator | ? |
| 22:28:00 | gonkulator | weirrd |
| 22:28:17 | captain_proton | sorry was testing something |
| 22:28:21 | gonkulator | hehehe |
| 22:28:41 | merlin262 | needs to figure out an AI algo for tic tac toe.... |
| 22:28:42 | merlin262 | Poo! Poo! I say! |
| 22:29:14 | gonkulator | merlin262: thats the FUN part :) |
| 22:29:32 | merlin262 | it must be a perfect player, eh? |
| 22:29:52 | gonkulator | it MUST be perfect ;) |
| 22:31:48 | merlin262 | hmmm, a recursive algo... |
| 22:32:38 | file[home] | ahhh nice to be home again |
| 22:32:56 | gonkulator | merlin262: there are an infinite number of ways to do it ;) |
| 22:33:03 | gonkulator | how you do it is your choice :) |
| 22:33:57 | file[home] | drools |
| 22:33:59 | file[home] | yummy coke |
| 22:36:55 | merlin262 | hmmm, bit shifting |
| 22:37:08 | gonkulator | hehehehe |
| 22:37:36 | file[home] | has Windows 2000 |
| 22:38:00 | merlin262 | the board is an integer, 2 bits per each entry |
| 22:38:07 | merlin262 | (yes,no,not there) |
| 22:38:32 | gonkulator | hmm... |
| 22:38:41 | gonkulator | merlin262: you don't care about footprint at all |
| 22:38:50 | gonkulator | all you care about it source code size |
| 22:38:52 | merlin262 | this isn't C++ code is it? |
| 22:39:22 | captain_proton | trots off |
| 22:39:27 | gonkulator | nope |
| 22:39:29 | gonkulator | pure C |
| 22:41:14 | merlin262 | gonkulator: can you have auxilarry tables? |
| 22:41:38 | gonkulator | will it compile without warnings or errors with gcc? |
| 22:41:40 | merlin262 | eg: file.dat |
| 22:41:50 | gonkulator | oh |
| 22:41:59 | gonkulator | if you really want to |
| 22:42:02 | merlin262 | wiat, no warning or errors? |
| 22:42:16 | gonkulator | nope |
| 22:42:27 | carpman | is back (gone 00:31:13) |
| 22:42:30 | gonkulator | warnings and errors are bad and need to be avoided |
| 22:42:37 | merlin262 | how about warnings? |
| 22:42:43 | carpman | ok, no errors I can understand, but not warnings?! |
| 22:42:45 | file[home] | waves to carpman |
| 22:43:10 | gonkulator | it is one of the rules scanline, dan and myself decided on in the first contest |
| 22:43:32 | merlin262 | gonkulator: you using -Wall? |
| 22:43:46 | gonkulator | no |
| 22:43:51 | gonkulator | just gcc -o |
| 22:43:59 | file[home] | wow |
| 22:46:28 | merlin262 | gonkulator: the code to see if an entry wins or not is almost crazy |
| 22:46:29 | merlin262 | =D |
| 22:46:49 | merlin262 | 2 #defines, no loops, period. |
| 22:47:08 | gonkulator | merlin262: we don't care as much about compiled binary size |
| 22:47:18 | gonkulator | minimizing the source code is everything |
| 22:47:46 | merlin262 | thinks this will work out tiny both ways |
| 22:48:35 | merlin262 | grrrr 206 bytes... blehhhh |
| 22:48:39 | merlin262 | and i still need an AI |
| 22:48:46 | gonkulator | hehehe |
| 22:48:50 | gonkulator | its TOUGH |
| 22:49:48 | carpman | should pettion for a -vomit-frame-pointer compile option |
| 22:50:59 | gonkulator | if you really want, talk to scanline |
| 22:53:46 | merlin262 | hmmmm, /me thinks this might be extremely well obfuscated, but I don't know if I' |
| 22:53:57 | merlin262 | ll get it to 600 bytes |
| 22:54:22 | gonkulator | hmmm... |
| 22:56:03 | gonkulator | its tough huh :) |
| 23:03:59 | merlin262 | uggghhhh, this is fecking painful |
| 23:04:03 | merlin262 | bitmath |
| 23:05:06 | file | I'm going to do the unthinkable |
| 23:07:26 | carpman | merlin262: suck it up ;) |
| 23:08:00 | file | needs to shave |
| 23:09:03 | carpman | gets the jagged broken PCB, and quietly switches it for file's razor. |
| 23:09:27 | carpman | s/the/a |
| 23:13:20 | file | mmm? |
| 23:14:56 | carpman | http://pics.bash.org/stoplight.jpg |
| 23:15:45 | file | cleans up his hardrives |
| 23:15:57 | file | Moving NT4 Server to a new partition right now, I think |
| 23:17:54 | file | formatting is so tempting right now |
| 23:18:31 | merlin262 | anyone want to see my probably not working check code? |
| 23:19:16 | carpman | hides from merlin262's code |
| 23:19:35 | merlin262 | it's only 4 lines long, /me posts |
| 23:19:41 | carpman | k |
| 23:19:43 | merlin262 | #define it(a) c=(c<<a)|(c&0xFC0000000) |
| 23:19:43 | merlin262 | #define th(a) a;a;a; |
| 23:19:43 | merlin262 | #define z(a,b) c=a;it(b);w+=(b&c);w+=(b&(c>>1)); |
| 23:19:43 | merlin262 | #define win w=0;th(z(42,6));th((z(0x2082,4)); |
| 23:20:13 | carpman | ooowow |
| 23:20:37 | gonkulator | merlin262: not bad |
| 23:20:43 | gonkulator | you are going to have fun with my program |
| 23:20:48 | gonkulator | er, the next contest |
| 23:21:17 | merlin262 | is still undecided on the AI part tho |
| 23:22:14 | gonkulator | that is the fun part too :) |
| 23:28:25 | carpman | Oooo. I have an idea for a realy simple but good AI |
| 23:28:32 | carpman | thinks |
| 23:35:03 | merlin262 | I *MIGHT* get it < 500, *MIGHT* |
| 23:35:09 | merlin262 | but I think my brain will explode first |
| 23:36:49 | gonkulator | merlin262: if you get it in less than 500 bytes, you will have beaten scanline |
| 23:45:03 | carpman | merlin262: scanline will have you 'taken care of' should that happen :) |
| 23:45:15 | merlin262 | haha |
| 23:45:32 | gonkulator | hehehehe |
| 23:45:54 | merlin262 | it's getting nasty, the method i'm using is inherintly obfuscated |
| 23:46:02 | merlin262 | I should've made it big first, then did this. |
| 23:46:19 | gonkulator | yep |
| 23:46:24 | gonkulator | good practice for next friday |
| 23:47:05 | carpman | the next one should be in mips ASM |
| 23:48:14 | gonkulator | but who all knows mips ASM? |
| 23:48:24 | carpman | raises his hand |
| 23:48:28 | carpman | pokes merlin262 |
| 23:48:32 | gonkulator | keeps his hand down |
| 23:48:34 | merlin262 | i don't know mips |
| 23:48:38 | merlin262 | errr do I/ |
| 23:48:39 | merlin262 | :D |
| 23:48:51 | carpman | merlin262: your in the same comp_org class as me, right :) |
| 23:49:03 | merlin262 | that doesn't mean I know mips |
| 23:49:07 | merlin262 | whistles |
| 23:49:09 | merlin262 | =D |
| 23:49:19 | carpman | PicoBot: BAH |
| 23:49:19 | PicoBot | carpman: sorry... |
| 23:49:21 | carpman | PicoBot: BAH! |
| 23:49:21 | PicoBot | Crotch! |
| 23:49:28 | merlin262 | PicoBot: poke |
| 23:49:29 | PicoBot | cries |
| 23:49:31 | merlin262 | PicoBot: poke poke |
| 23:49:32 | PicoBot | quit that! |
| 23:49:33 | merlin262 | PicoBot: poke poke poke |
| 23:49:34 | PicoBot | STOP POKING ME |
| 23:49:36 | file | PicoBot: yow |
| 23:49:36 | merlin262 | PicoBot: poke poke poke poke |
| 23:49:36 | PicoBot | Now I'm concentrating on a specific tank battle toward the end of World War II! |
| 23:49:37 | PicoBot | starts poking back! |
| 23:49:44 | merlin262 | PicoBot: poke poke poke poke poke |
| 23:49:45 | PicoBot | thinks this is enough and evolves into Pico Chu, the embedded Poke-mon |
| 23:49:48 | merlin262 | PicoBot: poke poke poke poke poke poke |
| 23:49:48 | PicoBot | merlin262: huh? |
| 23:49:50 | merlin262 | Blehhh |
| 23:50:10 | carpman | PicoBot: explode twice |
| 23:50:10 | PicoBot | explodes once, and does it again for good measure |
| 23:50:23 | gonkulator | carpman: you know merlin262 in person? |
| 23:50:25 | file | injects PicoBot with nanoprobes |
| 23:50:29 | merlin262 | gonkulator: yes |
| 23:50:34 | merlin262 | that's how i got here. =D |
| 23:50:39 | carpman | gonkulator: yeah, he and I have comp_org together. |
| 23:50:57 | gonkulator | oh, cool :) |
| 23:50:58 | carpman | wonders why he is using comp_org instead of comp. org. |
| 23:51:20 | gonkulator | waives to merlin262 and says hi |
| 23:51:29 | gonkulator | carpman: what does he need to do to become part of the guild? |
| 23:51:54 | carpman | gonkulator: he must bring me.... A SHRUBBERY! |
| 23:52:00 | gonkulator | hehehehe |
| 23:52:00 | merlin262 | NI! |
| 23:53:13 | carpman | PANG! |
| 23:53:18 | carpman | NEEEEE-WOM! |
| 23:53:32 | file | nyet! |
| 23:53:33 | gonkulator | NONE SHAL PASS |
| 23:53:48 | carpman | I have no quarel with you, brave sir knight. |
| 23:54:03 | gonkulator | NONE SHAL PASS!!!! |
| 23:54:16 | file | had some caffeine mints lastnight and ended up laughing to Dilbert comics for half an hour |
| 23:54:17 | file | it hurt... |
| 23:54:45 | carpman | file: your name is now Patsy. |
| 23:54:57 | gonkulator | carpman: his last name should be st0ned |
| 23:55:27 | carpman | Bring out the holy book of armaments! |
| 23:55:37 | gonkulator | I can DO THAT VOICE!!!!! |
| 23:56:01 | file | aramius is choking on this 319mb ZIP file |
| 23:56:36 | merlin262 | blehhhhhhhhhhh |
| 23:56:40 | merlin262 | gives up on tic tac toe |
| 23:56:48 | carpman | merlin262: cats game |
| 23:56:52 | file | mmm |
| 23:56:56 | file | ponders |
| 23:57:00 | gonkulator | gets food |
| 23:57:03 | merlin262 | puts in WarGames |
| 23:57:03 | merlin262 | =D |
| 23:58:47 | file | Microsoft's idea: If it's old why not throw support into the latest OS to make it even more bloated - so that even if the OS can't run on the system we can still say we support some of the hardware!!! |
