| 00:13:42 | file | hi prpplague |
| 00:14:04 | prpplague | howdy |
| 00:28:20 | captain_proton | yay that was fun |
| 00:28:26 | scanline | indeed |
| 00:29:35 | captain_proton | tries to figure out what it was he was doing |
| 00:29:49 | scanline | goes back to reworking some blitter code in picogui to fix a bug |
| 00:31:39 | probe | waves |
| 00:31:43 | scanline | hi probe |
| 00:31:45 | probe | PicoBot: surprise! |
| 00:31:51 | probe | PicoBot: surprise! |
| 00:31:54 | probe | NO!!!! |
| 00:31:56 | scanline | probe: are you coming up here with gonkulator{work} this weekend? |
| 00:32:05 | probe | scanline: probably not |
| 00:32:13 | scanline | aww... |
| 00:32:17 | probe | scanline: depends what time I can get back down to the house |
| 00:32:19 | probe | PicoBot: surprise! |
| 00:32:19 | PicoBot | bagel! |
| 00:32:22 | probe | score! |
| 00:33:04 | probe | scanline: gonkulator would probably have to haul ass and get me down here by at least 11:00 am saturday = P |
| 00:33:05 | file[laptop] | yeekz |
| 00:33:09 | file[laptop] | nothing like technical problems |
| 00:33:11 | file[laptop] | probe!!!! |
| 00:33:15 | probe | file[laptop]: hola |
| 00:33:22 | file[laptop] | wazzup? |
| 00:33:32 | probe | file: not too much |
| 00:33:46 | probe | has a 230 page book that he has to read in the next 2 days |
| 00:33:49 | Xentac | hehehe |
| 00:33:54 | Xentac | what if I rode something like this? |
| 00:33:55 | Xentac | http://www.wisemans.nf.ca/yamahamotor2.htm |
| 00:33:56 | probe | started on it today ; ) half way done |
| 00:34:23 | file[laptop] | neat |
| 00:34:24 | file[laptop] | turns on fan |
| 00:34:27 | file[laptop] | too hot in my room |
| 00:34:56 | probe | = ] |
| 00:34:58 | scanline | doh.. the italic font in that screenshot is slanted the wrong direction |
| 00:35:02 | scanline | grumbles about charblit_270 |
| 00:35:03 | prpplague | scanline: hey, i got a realllllly stupid question, what the hell are you supposed to do with Makefile.am files? |
| 00:35:24 | file[laptop] | probe: my ADSL rocks!!! |
| 00:35:26 | scanline | prpplague: GNU automake/autoconf turns them into Makefiles |
| 00:35:28 | Xentac | prpplague: automake them |
| 00:36:15 | prpplague | i thought automake looks for configure.ac or configure.in files |
| 00:36:26 | file[laptop] | that's autoconf isn't it? |
| 00:36:45 | Xentac | is away: being beat up. |
| 00:36:51 | file[laptop] | Xentac: enjoy karate |
| 00:37:00 | scanline | prpplague: configure.in and Makefile.am are the inputs, configure and Makefile are the outputs |
| 00:38:31 | prpplague | scanline: ahh |
| 00:39:11 | captain_proton | configure and Makefile.in are the outputs |
| 00:39:20 | captain_proton | Makefile is only created after configure is run |
| 00:39:44 | scanline | really should stop giving advice on build systems :) |
| 00:39:56 | scanline | usually sucks at build systems... |
| 00:40:51 | prpplague | scanline: hmm, i tried running automake on it but all i get is an error that states "configure.in or configure.am required" |
| 00:47:50 | file[laptop] | mmm |
| 00:49:01 | prpplague | scanline: i guess my automake is old or something |
| 00:50:47 | scanline | I dunno |
| 00:51:08 | scanline | I don't know much about automake |
| 01:26:40 | darth_balls | does anyone in here use athenairc? |
| 01:28:09 | darth_balls | PicoBot: seen scanline? |
| 01:28:09 | PicoBot | scanline was last seen on #picogui 37 minutes and 2 seconds ago, saying: I don't know much about automake [Wed Oct 2 19:57:37 2002] |
| 01:28:23 | darth_balls | scanline: ?? |
| 01:38:39 | gonkulator | PicoBot: seen scanline |
| 01:38:40 | PicoBot | scanline was last seen on #picogui 47 minutes and 32 seconds ago, saying: I don't know much about automake [Wed Oct 2 19:57:37 2002] |
| 01:39:05 | gonkulator | PicoBot: seen Xentac |
| 01:39:06 | PicoBot | Xentac was last seen on #picogui 1 hours, 2 minutes and 20 seconds ago, saying: is away: being beat up. [Wed Oct 2 19:43:15 2002] |
| 01:39:15 | scanline | eh? |
| 01:39:19 | gonkulator | hi scanline |
| 01:39:22 | scanline | hey |
| 01:39:23 | gonkulator | whats going on with your AIM? |
| 01:39:48 | scanline | you mean that? |
| 01:39:53 | gonkulator | yeah |
| 01:39:54 | probe | gonkulator: what's the verdict for the trip to boulder? |
| 01:40:00 | scanline | gonkulator: exactly that |
| 01:40:40 | gonkulator | probe: 11 AM isn't going to happen |
| 01:40:47 | gonkulator | I am going to go to the museum with scanline and the rest of em |
| 01:41:02 | probe | okay |
| 01:41:20 | scanline | gonkulator: do you know what time we're going yet? |
| 01:41:30 | gonkulator | scanline: no, not yet |
| 01:41:36 | gonkulator | I was just going to hang out with you and follow you around |
| 01:43:36 | scanline | for how long? |
| 01:45:57 | gonkulator | until I had to go home |
| 01:46:02 | gonkulator | which museum are you going to? |
| 01:46:07 | scanline | and about when would that be? |
| 01:46:14 | gonkulator | not too late |
| 01:46:18 | scanline | I dunno what it's called, but it's right on the edge of campus |
| 01:46:19 | gonkulator | maybe mid afternoon |
| 01:46:26 | scanline | gonkulator: what day? |
| 01:46:36 | gonkulator | saturday |
| 01:46:44 | scanline | will you be getting here friday or saturday? |
| 01:46:48 | gonkulator | can't stay past saturday afternoon |
| 01:46:52 | gonkulator | was planning on friday |
| 01:46:57 | scanline | ok |
| 03:07:19 | gonkulator | PicoBot: seen DevGirl? |
| 03:07:20 | PicoBot | DevGirl was last seen on #openzaurus 1 days, 7 hours, 39 minutes and 5 seconds ago, saying: <private message> [Tue Oct 1 14:34:44 2002] |
| 03:07:39 | gonkulator | PicoBot: seen Xentac |
| 03:07:40 | PicoBot | Xentac was last seen on #picogui 2 hours, 30 minutes and 54 seconds ago, saying: is away: being beat up. [Wed Oct 2 19:43:15 2002] |
| 03:20:58 | gonkulator | is away: sleepy time |
| 03:29:39 | Xentac | is back (gone 02:52:54) |
| 03:29:46 | Xentac | gonkulator: looking for me? |
| 03:30:40 | Xentac | is tired after 120 pushups and 160 situps... |
| 03:31:31 | Xentac | pokes gonkulator |
| 03:31:35 | Xentac | PicoBot: seen gonkulator |
| 03:31:36 | PicoBot | gonkulator was last seen on #picogui 10 minutes and 37 seconds ago, saying: is away: sleepy time [Wed Oct 2 22:27:28 2002] |
| 03:31:41 | Xentac | bah |
| 04:36:18 | Xentac | ok... |
| 04:36:20 | Xentac | who's here? |
| 04:36:36 | scanline | nobody |
| 04:36:53 | captain_proton | it must be...SPACE COMMANDER TRAVIS! |
| 04:37:09 | Xentac | oh, ok |
| 04:37:16 | Xentac | there's this kick ass bike... for sale... |
| 04:37:20 | Xentac | right by my place... |
| 04:37:36 | Xentac | looks for a good picture |
| 04:38:16 | Xentac | http://www.motorbikes.be/Pict.asp?id=2008 |
| 04:38:20 | Xentac | looks almost exactly like this |
| 04:38:24 | Xentac | PicoBot: seen KeyserSoze |
| 04:38:25 | PicoBot | KeyserSoze was last seen on #picogui 1 days, 1 hours, 8 minutes and 50 seconds ago, saying: like a truss. [Tue Oct 1 22:36:04 2002] |
| 04:38:55 | Xentac | what do you think...? |
| 04:40:09 | Xentac | I probably won't get it... but hey... it'd be extremely sweet... |
| 04:40:38 | Xentac | hey ^majik^ |
| 04:40:53 | ^majik^ | hiya |
| 04:41:00 | Xentac | ^majik^: know anything about bikes...? |
| 04:41:21 | ^majik^ | like motorcycles? |
| 04:41:25 | Xentac | correct |
| 04:41:32 | ^majik^ | nah, im only 16 ;) |
| 04:41:48 | Xentac | hehehe |
| 04:41:58 | Xentac | what do you think of this one? (just on looks alone) |
| 04:42:02 | Xentac | http://www.motorbikes.be/Pict.asp?id=2008 |
| 04:42:20 | ^majik^ | I just dropped by to see if anyone was chatting in this one chan about this linux distro i just read up on |
| 04:42:29 | Xentac | hehehe |
| 04:42:57 | ^majik^ | looks pretty sharp |
| 04:43:14 | Xentac | do you think that only old, fat, beared men ride bikes like that? |
| 04:43:21 | ^majik^ | its not really that small tho is it? i mean of course its bigger but ya know |
| 04:43:37 | Xentac | no, it's not really /that/ small |
| 04:43:57 | ^majik^ | i dunno, guess not |
| 04:44:11 | Xentac | ok... just checking ;o) |
| 04:44:45 | Xentac | wishes KeyserSoze was here to criticize him... |
| 04:44:51 | Xentac | PicoBot: seen sophie |
| 04:44:51 | PicoBot | sophie was last seen on #picogui 1 days, 3 hours, 17 minutes and 31 seconds ago, saying: isn't integrating either. [Tue Oct 1 20:33:50 2002] |
| 04:45:11 | ^majik^ | u could always paint it up black, and do your nick in neon green on the side of it somewhere :) |
| 04:45:20 | Xentac | hehehe... |
| 04:45:23 | Xentac | ummm... no...? |
| 04:45:29 | ^majik^ | ah well |
| 04:45:51 | ^majik^ | latez, im off to bed |
| 04:46:01 | Xentac | ta ta |
| 04:48:36 | scanline | PicoBot: seen lalo? |
| 04:48:36 | PicoBot | lalo was last seen on #picogui 1 days, 8 hours, 42 minutes and 50 seconds ago, saying: pokes DevGirl [Tue Oct 1 15:12:15 2002] |
| 04:48:51 | scanline | PicoBot: seen lalo[out]? |
| 04:48:51 | PicoBot | lalo[out] was last seen on #picogui 2 days, 7 hours, 34 minutes and 25 seconds ago, saying: I'll take a look [Mon Sep 30 16:20:56 2002] |
| 04:49:43 | Xentac | ponders. |
| 04:49:45 | Xentac | the thing is... |
| 04:49:47 | Xentac | if I want this bike... |
| 04:49:51 | Xentac | I have to get it like, right now |
| 04:49:54 | Xentac | (well... tomorrow) |
| 04:50:07 | Xentac | there's no way I could wait a couple of days and think about it... |
| 04:54:43 | Xentac | I doubt I'll do it for that reason... |
| 04:54:49 | Xentac | but shit man... amazing bike... |
| 07:45:19 | scanline | PicoBot: b0red? |
| 07:45:20 | PicoBot | scanline: i haven't a clue |
| 07:45:36 | scanline | PicoBot: b0red is much like bored, but more so, or what scanline usually isn't |
| 07:45:36 | PicoBot | bugger all, i dunno, scanline |
| 07:45:44 | scanline | PicoBot: b0red is much like bored, but more so, or \what scanline usually isn't |
| 07:45:45 | PicoBot | OK, scanline. |
| 07:45:56 | scanline | PicoBot: seen lalo? |
| 07:45:57 | PicoBot | lalo was last seen on #picogui 1 days, 11 hours, 40 minutes and 11 seconds ago, saying: pokes DevGirl [Tue Oct 1 15:12:15 2002] |
| 07:46:57 | captain_proton | scanline: what are you doing up still? |
| 07:47:13 | scanline | captain_proton: debugging? |
| 07:47:47 | captain_proton | um, fun? |
| 07:48:00 | scanline | Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. |
| 07:48:00 | scanline | [Switching to Thread 1024 (LWP 26024)] |
| 07:48:00 | scanline | 0x08055293 in widget_remove (w=0x80eb78c) at widget.c:346 |
| 07:48:00 | scanline | 346 while (sub_end->next) |
| 07:48:46 | captain_proton | print sub_end |
| 07:48:50 | scanline | I was having trouble reproducing this error, methinks it's a race condition |
| 07:48:55 | captain_proton | thats an easy one :) |
| 07:49:04 | scanline | $1 = (struct divnode *) 0x99 |
| 07:49:18 | scanline | I can debug this myself, I was just having trouble reproducing it |
| 07:49:26 | captain_proton | ahh |
| 07:49:38 | scanline | is good C guru, he debug well |
| 07:49:53 | captain_proton | C is so much cleaner to debug in gdb than C++/STL |
| 07:50:00 | scanline | oh yeah |
| 07:50:10 | scanline | name mangling and templates make a mess |
| 07:50:22 | captain_proton | well the name mangling isn't an issue |
| 07:50:28 | captain_proton | but the templates just make it ugly |
| 07:50:40 | captain_proton | oh well, i should get to sleep for my take-home "midterm" tomorrow |
| 07:50:48 | scanline | have fun |
| 07:52:11 | Hyperman | mmmh... I have a little question: is pgserver multithreaded ? |
| 07:52:28 | scanline | no |
| 07:52:35 | Hyperman | sorry, hello everybody! |
| 07:52:39 | scanline | hiya |
| 07:52:41 | scanline | :) |
| 07:53:09 | Hyperman | but the [Switching to Thread 1024 (LWP 26024)] in gdb doesn't mean this ? |
| 07:53:20 | scanline | nah, it always does that |
| 07:53:33 | Hyperman | ok, thanks. |
| 07:53:41 | Hyperman | Then another question ... :-) |
| 07:53:47 | scanline | alrighty |
| 07:54:04 | Hyperman | could I define global vars in the source of a widget? |
| 07:54:28 | scanline | There's nothing stopping you from doing so, but it's almost certainly a bad idea |
| 07:54:45 | scanline | they would be shared between all instances of that widget, even between multiple applications |
| 07:54:57 | Hyperman | Yes, that's the aim |
| 07:55:02 | scanline | oh. what for? |
| 07:55:05 | Hyperman | it's for a clipboard |
| 07:55:28 | Hyperman | the first step was to do so for one widget |
| 07:55:38 | scanline | hmm |
| 07:55:50 | Hyperman | and when a general clipboard will be defined, it will be easy to adapt... |
| 07:55:54 | scanline | ok |
| 07:56:11 | Hyperman | Then I do this for the textedit widget |
| 07:56:31 | scanline | Hyperman: oh, I suppose you might be wondering what i've been doing recently :) |
| 07:56:52 | scanline | I'm trying to keep the bug tracker on sourceforge up to date... I'm mostly fixing bugs |
| 07:57:04 | scanline | there are some serious ones affecting the zaurus port, and of course bugs in the textbox widget |
| 07:57:16 | Hyperman | yes, I saw all the last fix you did |
| 07:57:34 | scanline | I was also dabbling with a new picogui theme on the side :) |
| 07:57:40 | scanline | "Fluidity" |
| 07:57:50 | Hyperman | I saw this too :) |
| 07:57:55 | scanline | cool |
| 07:58:10 | Hyperman | but haven't tried yet :( |
| 07:58:20 | scanline | no worries, it's still not complete |
| 07:58:38 | Hyperman | ok. |
| 07:58:51 | scanline | but picogui has been needing a more original, and good looking theme... and something that works well on low-resolution color displays |
| 07:59:41 | Hyperman | ya. What is low-res for you? 160x160 ? |
| 07:59:56 | scanline | well, medium-res I guess... 240x320 |
| 08:00:09 | scanline | though lalo said it's not bad on the VR3, and it's 160x240 |
| 08:00:37 | scanline | I haven't heard much about the hardware Smartdata's been working on lately |
| 08:00:47 | Hyperman | We use 320x240 and last demos were done with the aqua theme |
| 08:01:03 | Hyperman | and it had a good looking |
| 08:01:07 | scanline | cool |
| 08:01:41 | scanline | is that on the Chipslice? |
| 08:01:48 | scanline | that was 16 grayscales, right? |
| 08:02:04 | Hyperman | Chipslice is a little outdated now ... |
| 08:02:17 | Hyperman | the new name is Companion |
| 08:02:36 | Hyperman | which as a color screen ;-) |
| 08:03:07 | scanline | cool |
| 08:03:17 | scanline | same modular design as the chipslice? |
| 08:03:49 | Hyperman | mmmh... no. |
| 08:04:11 | scanline | why not? |
| 08:04:50 | Hyperman | In fact, I think that everything we do with modularity was to show potential partners... |
| 08:05:27 | Hyperman | and everyone of them we approach has driven the project in its way... |
| 08:05:44 | scanline | ah. sounds familiar :) |
| 08:06:10 | Hyperman | so when you add to this something like 'costs' you are driven to more simple architecture |
| 08:06:21 | scanline | nods |
| 08:06:46 | scanline | Sounds like smartdata has been busy with hardware recently, based on all the drivers they have added to pgserver |
| 08:08:07 | Hyperman | not really because we haven't yet reconsider the driver problem... but surely we will in a near future |
| 08:08:54 | Hyperman | could I ask you about a little problem I have? |
| 08:08:56 | scanline | sure |
| 08:09:12 | Hyperman | thanks :) |
| 08:09:35 | Hyperman | on pc, I launch pgserver and then launch my app. |
| 08:10:08 | Hyperman | I then kill my app and when I kill pgserver, it hangs |
| 08:10:29 | Hyperman | but in gdb I haven't any info... |
| 08:10:33 | scanline | no segfault or other error? |
| 08:10:42 | Hyperman | no |
| 08:10:48 | scanline | is it using 100% of the CPU while hung? |
| 08:11:04 | Hyperman | mmmh... one moment ... |
| 08:12:33 | Hyperman | yes 90-95% |
| 08:12:51 | scanline | ok. Try running pgserver in gdb and stopping it while hung |
| 08:13:38 | Hyperman | but just an additionnal info: I use the textedit_branch server... and then have |
| 08:14:09 | Hyperman | the \n*********** PicoGUI incompatibility ************ |
| 08:14:09 | Hyperman | Server is version 18, |
| 08:14:53 | scanline | ah.. |
| 08:15:04 | scanline | maybe you're not using a cli_c from the textedit_branch? |
| 08:15:25 | scanline | until textedit is merged back into the main branch of CVS, it will have a lower protocol version number |
| 08:15:47 | scanline | hm... what still needs to be done before merging textedit? It would be good to do that as soon as possible |
| 08:18:22 | Hyperman | I guess there isn't any client with textedit_branch tag ... |
| 08:18:44 | scanline | There should be... the whole picogui CVS tree should have been tagged |
| 08:18:46 | scanline | checks |
| 08:19:35 | scanline | doh.. only pgserver was tagged |
| 08:20:06 | scanline | maybe it's time to merge textedit :) |
| 08:20:47 | Hyperman | yes, it's a good idea :) |
| 08:21:19 | Hyperman | by the way, in gdb, when I kill pgserver, I kill cleanly .... |
| 08:21:33 | scanline | hmm |
| 08:21:48 | scanline | that's strange |
| 08:22:02 | scanline | just a hunch, but try compiling pgserver with Electric Fence debugging enabled |
| 08:22:22 | scanline | last time I had an error similar to this it was a memory overrun, and electric fence helped a lot |
| 08:22:59 | Hyperman | compiling ... |
| 08:23:32 | scanline | looks at how hard it would be to merge textedit |
| 08:25:12 | Hyperman | maybe merging could occure after I commit the beginning of a clipboard... which will be done as soon as I found the problem |
| 08:25:19 | scanline | ok |
| 08:34:51 | Hyperman | .... ok, sorry for the time, I just installed electric-fence .. |
| 08:35:02 | scanline | no problem |
| 08:36:20 | Hyperman | then, wit efence, the server is killed but this time, make a segfault |
| 08:36:48 | scanline | good |
| 08:36:52 | scanline | where's the segfault? |
| 08:39:30 | Hyperman | cannot answer 'cause in gdb, it doesn't make the segfaut ... ???? |
| 08:39:40 | scanline | hmm |
| 08:40:05 | scanline | can you try to make a simple program that demonstrates the bug so I can take a closer look? |
| 08:40:11 | Hyperman | I will test with valgrind to see if I have a corruption somewehere and tell you as soon as I have news.. |
| 08:40:20 | scanline | ok |
| 08:57:03 | Hyperman | I see an Invalid free() which was already there before my changes. Then I propose to commit what I've done and continue to have a look about the problem. |
| 08:57:14 | Hyperman | and also tell Chuck about this |
| 08:57:21 | Hyperman | Ok, for you? |
| 08:57:24 | scanline | yep |
| 08:57:28 | scanline | where's the invalid free? |
| 08:58:52 | Hyperman | I send you the log |
| 08:58:56 | scanline | ok |
| 08:58:58 | scanline | thanks |
| 09:02:27 | scanline | ah... the invalid free is in textedit_build |
| 09:04:12 | scanline | Hyperman: here's the problem... textedit_build uses bitmap_free and bitmap_new to make a resized bitmap, then it makes a new handle for the new bitmap |
| 09:04:18 | scanline | but the handle for the previous bitmap still exists |
| 09:04:35 | scanline | so when the app terminates, pgserver cleans up that handle, but it has already been freed |
| 09:05:37 | scanline | Also a smaller problem, the handle should be owned by the application not by pgserver itself |
| 09:05:44 | scanline | so replace the line: |
| 09:05:48 | scanline | e = mkhandle(&DATA->bit_h, PG_TYPE_BITMAP, -1, DATA->bit); |
| 09:05:49 | scanline | with: |
| 09:05:56 | scanline | e = mkhandle(&DATA->bit_h, PG_TYPE_BITMAP, DATA->owner, DATA->bit); |
| 09:05:59 | scanline | and replace: |
| 09:06:02 | scanline | if (DATA->bit) |
| 09:06:02 | scanline | VID(bitmap_free) (DATA->bit); |
| 09:06:04 | scanline | with: |
| 09:06:17 | scanline | handle_free(self->owner,DATA->bit_h) |
| 09:06:25 | scanline | err, that should be self->owner above, not DATA->owner |
| 09:06:30 | scanline | brb |
| 09:09:28 | scanline | back |
| 09:09:34 | scanline | Hyperman: got all that? :) |
| 09:10:00 | Hyperman | I just finished the replacements... |
| 09:10:09 | scanline | hopefully that will fix the problem |
| 09:17:45 | Hyperman | mmmh... now it segfault when I kill the application with: |
| 09:17:51 | Hyperman | 0x0807cab5 in def_bitmap_free (bmp=0x406e9e78) at dvbl_bitmap.c:236 |
| 09:17:51 | Hyperman | 236 if (bmp->rend) |
| 09:18:20 | scanline | called from textedit_remove? |
| 09:19:26 | Hyperman | from object_free |
| 09:19:52 | scanline | I forgot about textedit_remove.. the "if (DATA->bit) VID(bitmap_free) (DATA->bit);" should be replaced with "handle_free(self->owner,DATA->bit_h)" |
| 09:20:11 | scanline | The general rule is that once you create a handle you should never delete the object it refers to, only delete the handle |
| 09:23:23 | Hyperman | ooooh yessss! I works! |
| 09:23:31 | scanline | :D |
| 09:23:44 | Hyperman | You last sentence will me integrated in the source code ... ;-) |
| 09:23:48 | file | finishes adding id3 tags to a few MP3s |
| 09:24:07 | scanline | Hyperman: cool. Thanks for reminding me about valgrind, I should try it on the problem I'm having :) |
| 09:24:20 | file | can't find the systemagic! |
| 09:24:24 | file | ouba tragic! |
| 09:25:15 | Hyperman | You're welcome ;-). And thanks for the help. It was a pleasure to debug with the master... ;-) |
| 09:25:24 | scanline | hehe. any time |
| 09:26:11 | Hyperman | But... what time is it now at your place? |
| 09:26:17 | scanline | 4:32 AM |
| 09:26:32 | scanline | I've been sleeping at weird times lately... |
| 09:26:33 | file | that's an average time in scanline's world |
| 09:26:34 | Hyperman | And what about sleeping mmmh? |
| 09:26:57 | file | scanline: yeah you used to be asleep when I got up, not anymore though |
| 09:27:05 | scanline | Basically I just sleep whenever I feel like it, as long as it doesn't overlap anything important like classes or dinner :) |
| 09:27:36 | scanline | file: you get up too early |
| 09:27:52 | Hyperman | sounds logical :)) |
| 09:27:53 | file | I get up at 7am, and leave at 8pm |
| 09:27:54 | file | er |
| 09:27:56 | file | 8am |
| 09:28:51 | file | bah |
| 09:28:53 | Hyperman | Here it's 12.34 (midday) |
| 09:29:12 | file | I've got no room left for my laptop in my backpack, I packed turtle to give to anonyman |
| 09:29:22 | scanline | Hyperman: much more normal :) |
| 09:29:50 | Hyperman | yes |
| 09:30:26 | file | oh it's you Philippe! |
| 09:31:26 | Hyperman | Et ouais! C'est moi! (in french in the text) |
| 09:31:39 | file | takes french |
| 09:32:24 | file | it took me 3 trys before I could type out /whois Hyperman |
| 09:32:37 | scanline | hmm.. Hyperman and file know each other? |
| 09:32:54 | file | scanline: I am on the PicoGUI mailing list, I kept up with his problem that you resolved |
| 09:33:01 | scanline | file: ah, ok |
| 09:33:22 | Hyperman | ah ok. |
| 09:33:33 | file | rain... |
| 09:33:36 | Hyperman | Where are you from file? |
| 09:33:44 | file | Hyperman: Canada |
| 09:33:56 | file | yup - raining a wee bit |
| 09:34:34 | Hyperman | Here the sun shine... <font="very very little>sorry</font> |
| 09:34:43 | scanline | hehe |
| 09:34:57 | file | gives Hyperman some very evil javascript for saying that |
| 09:35:11 | Hyperman | :) |
| 09:35:28 | scanline | Hyperman: the main reason I started the Fluidity theme for picogui was I felt like playing wiht the Gimp some, but lalo thinks it might do well as a unique look for picogui |
| 09:35:33 | scanline | s/wiht/with/ |
| 09:35:43 | scanline | I can never seem to type "with" correctly the first time.. |
| 09:36:27 | scanline | Everyone I've asked so far loved the look of Fluidity, and it's different enough from other GUIs that it could be a defining look for PicoGUI |
| 09:36:34 | Hyperman | As soon as it's finished, I'll try it |
| 09:36:58 | scanline | I'll post some screenshots and a little something on pgui-devel when it works to my satisfaction |
| 09:39:37 | Hyperman | Yeah! Everyone of the screenshots are so incredible... and particularly when you remember 2 years ago... |
| 09:39:37 | scanline | hmmm.. having trouble making pgserver segfault with valgrind or electric fence on... |
| 09:39:44 | scanline | Hyperman: yep :) |
| 09:40:42 | scanline | Hyperman: The best looking popular GUI on PDAs right now is probably Qtopia, and I was making Qtopia users drool over the Fluidity screenshots :) |
| 09:40:42 | file | wonders if anonyman is bringing his old b0rken hub today |
| 09:40:56 | file | he sat it under his ADSL Router and the case melted... and stopped functioning |
| 09:41:13 | file | scanline: where's the screenshots??? |
| 09:41:15 | Hyperman | Yo, I'll got for eating. Good night scanline if you decide to sleep ... |
| 09:41:35 | scanline | Hyperman: I'm also using some features I added to the theme engine for Ridgerun but haven't used in any of my own themes much |
| 09:41:42 | scanline | hehe, bye Hyperman |
| 09:41:50 | Hyperman | Ya, Qtopia is really good looking. Bye |
| 09:42:29 | scanline | file: I haven't posted any on picogui.org since it's still preliminary, but there are a few on screencap |
| 09:42:44 | file | ic |
| 09:42:51 | scanline | PicoBot: screencap? |
| 09:42:51 | PicoBot | i think screencap is http://handhelds.org/scap/ |
| 09:43:06 | scanline | all the ones labeled "User scanline" are from picogui running fluidity |
| 09:43:26 | scanline | most of them in various stages of debugging :) |
| 09:43:38 | file | wow... |
| 09:43:55 | scanline | you like? |
| 09:44:14 | file | yes |
| 09:44:51 | scanline | I should make a quick Python program that shows all possible picogui theme objects... |
| 09:45:06 | file | then sleep? |
| 09:45:09 | scanline | no |
| 09:45:14 | scanline | I have work to do |
| 09:45:17 | scanline | like... homework |
| 09:45:20 | scanline | and fixing picogui bugs |
| 09:45:23 | scanline | and studying |
| 09:45:24 | file | alrighty |
| 09:45:26 | scanline | and I'm not tired |
| 09:45:33 | file | has to fix File Radio bugs |
| 09:45:44 | scanline | PicoBot: fluidity? |
| 09:45:45 | PicoBot | hmmm... fluidity is an experimental theme scanline got inspired to start after staying up all night, in CVS under extra_themes/fluidity, or with a screenshot at http://picogui.org/download/fluidity_popup.png |
| 09:45:52 | file | I tried some new software, but it ends up hanging Windows on sound (nothing will work afterwards for sound) |
| 09:45:58 | scanline | file: hmm |
| 09:47:52 | file | mmm |
| 09:48:04 | file | I think I'll dump it and go back to my old setup |
| 09:48:10 | file | it was picky - but atleast it worked nicely |
| 09:51:04 | file | well time to go |
| 09:51:14 | scanline | bye |
| 09:51:33 | scanline | PicoBot: textbox? |
| 09:51:33 | PicoBot | well, textbox is a bomb in disguise. :) |
| 09:51:50 | scanline | PicoBot: textbox is also getting there, but still pretty buggy |
| 09:51:50 | PicoBot | okay, scanline. |
| 09:51:59 | scanline | PicoBot: bugs? |
| 09:51:59 | PicoBot | scanline: no idea |
| 09:52:31 | scanline | PicoBot: bug tracker is at http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?atid=104764&group_id=4764&func=browse |
| 09:52:31 | PicoBot | OK, scanline. |
| 09:52:52 | scanline | PicoBot: feature requests are at http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?atid=354764&group_id=4764&func=browse |
| 09:52:52 | PicoBot | OK, scanline. |
| 09:54:26 | scanline | lalo[out]: dunno if you'll get this, but I got my VR3 on tuesday. I've tried to flash it with various other ROMs including FlyingCircus and PicoVR3 but I ran into a problem with vrflash and haven't fixed it yet |
| 09:55:21 | scanline | lalo[out]: also see this, another cool use for WTs I thought of --> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=617499&group_id=4764&atid=354764 |
| 10:04:42 | scanline | ooh... finally got valgrind to give me some useful output.. this bug likes to hide from me |
| 12:23:03 | Xentac | is away: I'm busy |
| 12:23:07 | Xentac | is back (gone 00:00:04) |
| 13:04:37 | Xentac | hey, is anyone here? |
| 13:04:49 | scanline | is not here |
| 13:04:52 | scanline | :) |
| 13:05:00 | Xentac | geez... when do you sleep? |
| 13:05:03 | hikke | I'm here... |
| 13:05:32 | Xentac | has to get some more opinions on that bike ;o) |
| 13:05:50 | Xentac | http://www.motorbikes.be/Pict.asp?id=2008 |
| 13:05:56 | Xentac | should I buy a bike that looks almost exactly like that? |
| 13:06:51 | scanline | disappears, since he doesn't know a thing about motorcycles |
| 13:07:00 | Xentac | scanline: I'm just going for look ;o) |
| 14:59:24 | carpman | ooo... the new AoF logo is cool |
| 14:59:50 | scanline | hi carpman |
| 15:00:29 | carpman | http://www.voidptr.org/images/aof3gear.png |
| 15:00:35 | carpman | hi scanline |
| 15:00:43 | carpman | not done uploading. |
| 15:00:48 | carpman | kicks his cable modem |
| 15:00:54 | carpman | there |
| 15:01:04 | carpman | oh, its a 2mb png |
| 15:01:22 | carpman | probably need to make a smaller, non background, version |
| 15:01:32 | scanline | neato |
| 15:01:52 | carpman | blender is fun >:) |
| 15:02:06 | scanline | I need to learn blender |
| 15:02:19 | carpman | you don't learn blender, it learns you |
| 15:03:10 | carpman | merlin262 had a neat idea. Write a user space filesystem backend that talks to AoF. |
| 15:03:30 | carpman | then you could mount an AoF object tree like a file system, edit properties like files, and execute methods like binaries. |
| 15:04:13 | carpman | it would also function like a distributed filesystem, because of all the sync-across-server stuff. |
| 15:04:28 | scanline | hmm |
| 15:05:00 | scanline | thinks AoF has become an AI that is now logging into IRC to explain itself, using carpman's nick |
| 15:05:14 | carpman | :P |
| 15:05:20 | scanline | :) |
| 15:05:59 | carpman | I'm sure you did something similar when you started PicoGUI :) |
| 15:06:10 | scanline | oh, I still do :) |
| 15:10:53 | carpman | ok, I registered #aof |
| 15:11:01 | carpman | people can listen to my rantings there :) |
| 15:11:22 | scanline | carpman: I wasn't complaining |
| 15:11:31 | carpman | I know, but I needed to do that anyway |
| 15:42:01 | scanline | is away: ZzZz... |
| 16:09:19 | gonkulator{work} | is away: class time |
| 19:28:08 | gonkulator{work} | PicoBot: seen scanline |
| 19:28:08 | PicoBot | scanline was last seen on #picogui 3 hours, 46 minutes and 8 seconds ago, saying: is away: ZzZz... [Thu Oct 3 10:48:30 2002] |
| 19:28:24 | gonkulator{work} | pokes file |
| 19:28:31 | DevGirl[out] | pokes gonky |
| 19:28:33 | file | hi gonkulator |
| 19:28:35 | DevGirl[out] | hey! |
| 19:30:07 | DevGirl | hiya, gonkulator{work} |
| 19:31:32 | file | nudges gonkulator a bit |
| 19:32:13 | file | DevGirl: do you and lalo live at work? |
| 19:50:27 | gonkulator{work} | hey DevGirl |
| 19:50:36 | gonkulator{work} | was off doing stuff |
| 19:53:19 | gonkulator{work} | is back now |
| 19:56:36 | DevGirl | file: yeah! |
| 19:56:46 | DevGirl | here is 18:30 pm... :) |
| 19:57:06 | DevGirl | gonkulator{work}: now I am doing stuff ^^ |
| 19:58:08 | gonkulator{work} | DevGirl: oh, ok |
| 19:58:15 | gonkulator{work} | is working on stuff too |
| 20:02:36 | DevGirl | three days for elections |
| 20:02:51 | DevGirl | oh, god... |
| 20:04:06 | gonkulator{work} | DevGirl: is that bad? |
| 20:04:31 | DevGirl | can't stand hearing jingles anymore |
| 20:04:34 | DevGirl | :) |
| 20:04:50 | DevGirl | is sad 'cause she can't vote |
| 20:05:16 | DevGirl | because of the pregnancy, I can't travel to Rio de Janeiro :( |
| 20:05:18 | gonkulator{work} | do you have to be 21? |
| 20:05:22 | gonkulator{work} | oh |
| 20:05:26 | DevGirl | no 18 |
| 20:05:30 | gonkulator{work} | you can only vote in Rio de Janerio? |
| 20:05:35 | DevGirl | yes :P |
| 20:05:56 | DevGirl | and we HAVE to vote. If you don't, you have to justify |
| 20:06:28 | gonkulator{work} | oh, thats a good thing |
| 20:06:28 | DevGirl | and if they don't believe, you have to pay a fee or something like... |
| 20:06:28 | gonkulator{work} | voting shouldn't be optional |
| 20:06:32 | gonkulator{work} | a fine? |
| 20:06:59 | DevGirl | don't know the name in english |
| 20:07:14 | gonkulator{work} | thats what it is |
| 20:07:17 | gonkulator{work} | it is a fine |
| 20:08:03 | DevGirl | ah :) |
| 20:08:22 | DevGirl | wish she could vote... |
| 20:09:26 | DevGirl | finnaly "my man" will be elected president and I can't vote on him :P |
| 20:32:55 | DevGirl | is going home... Lalo is in a neighbor city and I want to do him a nice dinner |
| 20:33:38 | file | k |
| 20:33:41 | DevGirl | :*** boys... see you tomorrow |
| 20:33:44 | file | k |
| 20:33:46 | file | ttyl |
| 21:21:32 | trippy | pingity pong |
| 21:21:41 | file | doesn't feel good |
| 21:21:57 | trippy | sympathises |
| 21:22:05 | trippy | sick? |
| 21:22:39 | trippy | It's all that late night drinking and IRCing, isn't it? |
| 21:23:23 | file | I don't drink though |
| 21:23:57 | trippy | That'll bit it then. Dehydration :p |
| 21:24:05 | trippy | s/bit/be/ |
| 21:24:11 | file | lol |
| 21:24:16 | file | I don't drink alcohol :p |
| 21:24:37 | trippy | Oh, well, that isn't good for you either |
| 21:24:47 | trippy | (hey, I'm Irish, whataya expect) |
| 21:26:22 | trippy | Anyway... I'm going away tommorow :) |
| 21:27:25 | file | k |
| 21:28:26 | trippy | in search of a heliocentric kernel hacker |
| 21:30:05 | file | wow |
| 21:43:18 | file | hello majik |
| 21:43:33 | file | PicoBot: seen kiatoa? |
| 21:43:33 | PicoBot | kiatoa was last seen on #picogui 88 days, 21 hours, 53 minutes and 24 seconds ago, saying: brb [Sat Jul 6 18:56:39 2002] |
| 21:43:39 | file | bah |
| 21:59:26 | carpman | hi all |
| 21:59:47 | file | heads to bed |
| 21:59:48 | file | bbl |
| 22:09:03 | captain_proton | pokes scanline |
| 22:44:49 | gonkulator | w00t |
| 22:44:52 | gonkulator | PicoBot: seen scanline |
| 22:44:52 | PicoBot | scanline was last seen on #picogui 7 hours, 2 minutes and 52 seconds ago, saying: is away: ZzZz... [Thu Oct 3 10:48:30 2002] |
| 22:44:56 | gonkulator | PicoBot: seen Xentac |
| 22:44:56 | PicoBot | Xentac was last seen on #picogui 9 hours, 37 minutes and 56 seconds ago, saying: scanline: I'm just going for look ;o) [Thu Oct 3 08:13:30 2002] |
| 22:45:01 | gonkulator | PicoBot: seen carpman |
| 22:45:01 | PicoBot | carpman was last seen on #picogui 45 minutes and 34 seconds ago, saying: hi all [Thu Oct 3 17:05:57 2002] |
| 22:45:06 | carpman | hi gonkulator |
| 22:45:10 | gonkulator | hey carpman |
| 22:45:20 | gonkulator | remember how my touchpad was b0rken on my iBook |
| 22:45:28 | carpman | indeed |
| 22:45:33 | gonkulator | well, I took it to the apple store to get it fixed on monday |
| 22:45:36 | gonkulator | and it came back today |
| 22:45:40 | carpman | yay! |
| 22:45:46 | gonkulator | got a whole new motherboard AND a new hard drive |
| 22:46:02 | gonkulator | which sucks because I lost all of the data I didn't back up |
| 22:46:05 | gonkulator | but STILL |
| 22:46:12 | gonkulator | a new hard drive and a new motherboard |
| 22:46:24 | gonkulator | it kicks ass :) |
| 22:46:38 | gonkulator | anyway, I need to be going |
| 22:46:43 | file | didn't they reload everything? |
| 22:46:47 | carpman | ok, see you later |
| 22:46:56 | gonkulator | file: they gave me a really stripped down install of OS 9 |
| 22:46:59 | gonkulator | it is already wiped |
| 22:46:59 | file | (from old drive) |
| 22:47:01 | file | YUCK |
| 22:47:09 | gonkulator | later carpman |
| 22:47:12 | gonkulator | bye file |
| 22:47:25 | gonkulator | is away: dinner with a friend's parents |
| 22:50:50 | file | I'd like an alternate OS on my Thinkpad |
| 22:51:21 | file | I think I'll put a shell replacement for Windows on it |
| 23:08:08 | lalo[out] | PicoBot: seen scanline |
| 23:08:09 | PicoBot | scanline was last seen on #picogui 7 hours, 26 minutes and 9 seconds ago, saying: is away: ZzZz... [Thu Oct 3 10:48:30 2002] |
| 23:08:24 | lalo[out] | scanline: I was here... going out for dinner now :-) cya tomorrow |
| 23:20:11 | file | wb prpplague |
| 23:20:20 | prpplague | ya ya |
| 23:21:15 | file | prpplague: beer? |
| 23:22:45 | prpplague | sam adams |
| 23:22:55 | file | ic |
| 23:23:22 | prpplague | http://www.ratebeer.com/ShowBeer.asp?BeerID=159 |
| 23:24:17 | file | ic |
| 23:28:05 | file | points to the topic and gives a weak yah |
| 23:34:44 | Xentac | gonkulator: you there now? |
| 23:35:14 | file | updates his Windows NT install & Internet Explorer install |
| 23:35:15 | Xentac | file: cool... I bought something for your birthday... |
| 23:35:26 | file | Xentac: for me? ;) |
| 23:35:42 | Xentac | well... |
| 23:35:42 | Xentac | no... |
| 23:35:45 | Xentac | ;o) |
| 23:35:47 | file | exactly |
| 23:36:10 | Xentac | it's a 94 600cc honda shadow VLX |
| 23:36:16 | Xentac | in MINT condition |
| 23:36:18 | file | wow |
| 23:36:33 | file | almost scary |
| 23:36:55 | Xentac | why? |
| 23:36:59 | Xentac | it's got something like 1700 kms on it |
| 23:37:02 | Xentac | anyway... I have to go pick it up now |
| 23:37:08 | Xentac | is away: picking up my bike! |
| 23:41:02 | anonyman | did you get that math assignment? |
| 23:41:16 | anonyman | did you get that math assignment? |
| 23:41:34 | anonyman | woops |
| 23:59:44 | scanline | is back (gone 08:17:45) |
