| 00:01:08 | Xentac[laptop] | wishes he didn't have this stupid touch pad... |
| 00:01:27 | dylan | yay, oracle came in today |
| 00:04:35 | lalo[out] | DevGirl: let's go? |
| 00:06:05 | scanline | lalo[out]: ok.. unbroke findwidget, (pgl works), committing now |
| 00:06:12 | lalo[out] | you rule :-) |
| 00:06:16 | scanline | not sure if this code is unicode safe though... |
| 00:06:23 | scanline | I should put in a FIXME about that |
| 00:06:33 | lalo[out] | I wonder if I get a prize for 3 flyingcircus releases in a week |
| 00:06:50 | scanline | lalo[out]: got an automated build system yet? |
| 00:07:01 | lalo[out] | you saw that I unbroke a feature in pgboard that only I use? :-) |
| 00:07:09 | gonkulator | brb, packing for a trip |
| 00:07:16 | scanline | Yeah.. I forgot that was even in there :) |
| 00:07:24 | lalo[out] | now that it works we could add them to other kb maps |
| 00:07:24 | Xentac[laptop] | gonkulator: another trip? |
| 00:07:30 | gonkulator | Xentac[laptop]: yeah |
| 00:07:39 | gonkulator | going one state to the north with my family |
| 00:07:42 | gonkulator | hey KeyserSoze |
| 00:07:45 | Xentac[laptop] | nods. |
| 00:07:45 | KeyserSoze | hey |
| 00:07:59 | KeyserSoze | gonk, you're into Macs, right? |
| 00:08:12 | Xentac[laptop] | watches the bytes for the shoutcast server floating through the air... |
| 00:08:24 | scanline | committed |
| 00:08:27 | KeyserSoze | what's the deal with the powermac G4 with dual 1.25Ghz, and DDR memory? |
| 00:08:47 | lalo[out] | scanline: do I need to recompile cli_c and the apps, or just pgserver? |
| 00:08:49 | KeyserSoze | i read up on the specs, and it's memory controller is limited to a bandwidth of like 1.3GBps... |
| 00:08:51 | scanline | lalo[out]: I should also fix the field widget so that PG_WP_PASSWORD and PG_WE_ACTIVATE work properly.. that's breaking several apps |
| 00:08:57 | scanline | lalo[out]: just pgserver |
| 00:08:57 | lalo[out] | yup |
| 00:09:14 | lalo[out] | specially picosm which I would really like to use on the romdisk :-) |
| 00:09:16 | scanline | lalo[out]: I moved the findwidget code into widget.c (dunno why I had it in dispatch.c) and made it use pgstring |
| 00:09:26 | scanline | yep :) |
| 00:09:27 | KeyserSoze | 1.3GBps for memory bandwidth completely *cripples* a dual proc machine with PC2700. what the hell were they thinking? |
| 00:09:34 | lalo[out] | if you're going to fix that I'll wait... 4 releases in a week would be too much |
| 00:09:51 | scanline | lalo[out]: I also made some code cleanups and small VT102 improvements to the terminal widget.. it _almost_ runs vim and emacs now |
| 00:10:01 | lalo[out] | great |
| 00:10:16 | lalo[out] | I'm not planning to install either in the vr3 ;-) but nice, anyway |
| 00:10:23 | lalo[out] | (though mutt could be an idea) |
| 00:10:38 | Xentac[laptop] | has mutt'd on his Zaurus before |
| 00:10:46 | Xentac[laptop] | shuts up now cause no one is listening to him anyway |
| 00:10:48 | scanline | most apps that don't work are broke because pterm doesn't handle scrolling-related escape codes yet |
| 00:11:19 | KeyserSoze | listens to xentac, so he'll talk again. |
| 00:11:19 | scanline | others are broke because unrecognized non-CSI codes aren't detected until a 16-byte buffer overflows, so it causes other characters and escapes to be lost |
| 00:11:35 | Xentac[laptop] | KeyserSoze: nah, you're just doing that to try and make me feel better |
| 00:11:39 | lalo[out] | ok... ice cream here I go :-) brb |
| 00:12:18 | KeyserSoze | just said that so Xentac will feel better... |
| 00:12:29 | Xentac[laptop] | KeyserSoze: well, it didn't work! |
| 00:12:52 | KeyserSoze | tries again |
| 00:13:01 | KeyserSoze | no, really, talk to me. |
| 00:13:03 | KeyserSoze | :) |
| 00:13:46 | Xentac[laptop] | I'm on to your evil tricks now! |
| 00:14:18 | KeyserSoze | no one up on the latest mac hardware? |
| 00:14:54 | Xentac | KeyserSoze: no |
| 00:15:35 | KeyserSoze | thought gonk and scanline were mac-geeks... |
| 00:16:19 | Xentac | notes they have imacs... but that doesn't necessarly make them "geeks" |
| 00:16:40 | Xentac | er... |
| 00:16:41 | Xentac | ibooks |
| 00:16:42 | KeyserSoze | well, i know they are geeks. it is just a question of genre :) |
| 00:17:02 | Xentac | scanline, gonkulator: I tried... |
| 00:18:32 | KeyserSoze | tried? did scanline and gonkulator assign you with the task of getting rid of me, but my conversation was too alluring, and you couldn't resist partaking, thereby failing them? |
| 00:18:42 | KeyserSoze | 's paranoia heightens. |
| 00:18:46 | Xentac | no no |
| 00:18:54 | Xentac | I tried defending them as real people.. not just geeks |
| 00:19:02 | KeyserSoze | ah, okay :) |
| 00:19:11 | Xentac | but it turns out that you had an attack that I was unable to defend against |
| 00:19:19 | Xentac | and that was, "they are geeks" |
| 00:19:23 | KeyserSoze | lol |
| 00:19:29 | KeyserSoze | it's undeniable, isn't it? |
| 00:19:34 | Xentac | there was nothing I could say to refute it |
| 00:19:38 | KeyserSoze | besides, geeks *are* the best kind of people. |
| 00:19:51 | Xentac | what makes you say that? |
| 00:19:56 | scanline | is a geek and proud of it |
| 00:20:09 | KeyserSoze | i know geeks, and i know people who aren't geeks. it's obvious, really. |
| 00:20:13 | KeyserSoze | geeks rule! |
| 00:20:16 | Xentac | I see.. |
| 00:20:21 | scanline | KeyserSoze: I have an ibook, but I wouldn't call myself a "mac geek" since I disagree with a lot of what apple's doing |
| 00:20:35 | Xentac | notes that geeks (on average) couldn't defend themselves and their posessions... |
| 00:21:07 | Xentac | therefore they are pray to larger... more preditary... ummm... creatures... |
| 00:21:18 | KeyserSoze | scanline: did you read the specs on the new dual-1.25ghz Mac? it sucks, hard. |
| 00:21:32 | Xentac | goes and eats dinner now. |
| 00:21:45 | scanline | KeyserSoze: nah, I haven't been keeping up on their latest junk |
| 00:21:47 | scanline | by Xentac |
| 00:21:50 | KeyserSoze | wonders if Xentac eats geeks for dinner. |
| 00:22:01 | Xentac | hehehe |
| 00:22:06 | scanline | KeyserSoze: I like the apple laptops... the desktops are nice, but underpowered/overpriced |
| 00:22:08 | Xentac | KeyserSoze: maybe I do... |
| 00:22:20 | Xentac | would that make me a larger preditary creature? |
| 00:22:28 | Xentac | that's... a scary thought |
| 00:23:00 | KeyserSoze | had hope when he saw that mac *finally* had DDR, PC2700, even. and dual 1.25ghz isn't too bad. but a 1.3GBps bottle neck between memory and the CPUs? that is lame beyond belief. |
| 00:23:40 | anonyman | are you using a sd function like =SD(...) or using my table? |
| 00:24:47 | KeyserSoze | admits that he isn't going to do anything with picogui until he gets OZ on his zaurus, and that he cannto put OZ on his zaurus until he gets a CF memory card, and that that won't be for a couple days. |
| 00:24:57 | KeyserSoze | s/cannto/cannot |
| 00:25:18 | KeyserSoze | i'll see you guys later. i'm gonna try to put Irix on my SGI. :) |
| 00:32:33 | TheMasterMind1 | scanline: hows stuff going |
| 00:33:16 | scanline | TheMasterMind1: not bad |
| 00:33:42 | TheMasterMind1 | scanline: hows pg for the Z going |
| 00:34:04 | file[laptop] | hey all |
| 00:34:10 | scanline | I still haven't fixed that segfault or added it to the build system... soon |
| 00:34:18 | scanline | hmm.. |
| 00:34:23 | file[laptop] | scanline: can you DCC me a file? |
| 00:34:30 | scanline | Today seems to have been kind of a bugfixing day, so I might take a whack at it |
| 00:34:34 | scanline | file[laptop]: no |
| 00:34:36 | scanline | :) |
| 00:34:42 | file[laptop] | I'm on my ISP's software and I want to see if the connection is better |
| 00:35:35 | file[laptop] | nope it's worse |
| 00:42:10 | gonkulator | thinks it is time to have a programming contest |
| 00:42:22 | file[laptop] | I think it's time for azmarith to come! |
| 00:42:24 | scanline | ooh, I have an idea for a programming contest |
| 00:42:30 | gonkulator | scanline: whats that? |
| 00:42:33 | scanline | whoever fixes the most pgserver bugs wins! |
| 00:42:40 | gonkulator | bah |
| 00:42:49 | gonkulator | that idea sucks |
| 00:42:51 | gonkulator | :) |
| 00:42:59 | scanline | yep |
| 00:43:02 | scanline | is a little tired... |
| 00:43:08 | scanline | on one hand, I have Red Bull |
| 00:43:15 | scanline | on the other hand, I have coffee |
| 00:43:24 | scanline | on yet another hand, I have michael's mountain dew |
| 00:43:29 | scanline | on the final hand, I have my bed |
| 00:43:31 | gonkulator | have you gotten addicted to Red Bull? |
| 00:43:47 | scanline | gonkulator: not really, but Jen and I went to Costco today and I got a case of it |
| 00:44:09 | gonkulator | hopes that some is left when he comes up |
| 00:44:54 | scanline | gonkulator: Interesting story.. we got some big stuff, like a huge box of kleenex, a case of frappuchino, a case of red bull... we had to ride the RTD to get to costco, and there were two fields and some busy intersections between the bus stop and costco |
| 00:45:13 | gonkulator | sounds like fun |
| 00:45:14 | scanline | so we borrowed a shopping cart to get everything back to the bus stop |
| 00:45:18 | gonkulator | hehehehe |
| 00:45:22 | gonkulator | did you return it? |
| 00:45:24 | scanline | we pulled it and ourselves through two muddy fields |
| 00:45:37 | scanline | got some weird looks from the other people at the RTD |
| 00:45:39 | gonkulator | lol |
| 00:45:41 | scanline | and left the cart at the bus stop |
| 00:45:42 | gonkulator | I am sure |
| 00:45:59 | gonkulator | you should put it back some time :) |
| 00:46:11 | scanline | the even scarier thing was that this wasn't the only shopping cart at the bus stop :) |
| 00:47:12 | gonkulator | oh, can I have a tar ball of the pictures from Victoria? |
| 00:47:34 | gonkulator | is going to see Tyler's mom next week, and I would like to show her the pictures from the trip |
| 00:48:05 | scanline | https://navi.picogui.org:3000/~micah/images/ |
| 00:49:30 | anonyman | ??? |
| 00:50:49 | gonkulator | scanline: are you running your di.fm ripper right now? |
| 00:50:55 | gonkulator | hopes so |
| 00:50:58 | gonkulator | really hopes so |
| 00:52:23 | file[laptop] | gonkulator: your picture on there is scary |
| 00:53:00 | scanline | gonkulator: I think so |
| 00:54:45 | gonkulator | file[laptop]: uh huh |
| 00:55:35 | scanline | file[laptop]: http://picogui.org/people/ |
| 00:55:42 | gonkulator | file[laptop]: I still look less stoned than you do |
| 00:56:24 | file[laptop] | oh well! |
| 01:01:45 | fragglet | haha picobot is on the pictures page |
| 01:03:29 | gonkulator | he is?!??!?!?!?!!! |
| 01:03:55 | fragglet | http://picogui.org/people/12.html |
| 01:04:11 | gonkulator | oh... |
| 01:04:13 | gonkulator | :) |
| 01:04:21 | gonkulator | that isn't PicoBot, that is navi |
| 01:04:26 | gonkulator | that is PicoBot's home |
| 01:04:35 | file[laptop] | peaks inside navi and gets shocked |
| 01:04:39 | file[laptop] | nope - no PicoBot in here |
| 01:04:48 | fragglet | is picobot one of the little men who live inside the computer? |
| 01:05:05 | file[laptop] | GNOMES! |
| 01:05:11 | DevGirl[out] | :) |
| 01:05:16 | gonkulator | wb DevGirl[out] |
| 01:05:30 | DevGirl[out] | I think picobot look like R2D2 |
| 01:05:47 | fragglet | perhaps we need a cartoon rendering of picobot to go on the page |
| 01:05:55 | file[laptop] | disappears |
| 01:05:56 | file[laptop] | sleepy time |
| 01:06:23 | DevGirl | good dreams, file[laptop] |
| 01:06:44 | file[laptop] | DevGirl: sweet dreams, not good dreams :) |
| 01:07:23 | DevGirl | bah |
| 01:07:32 | DevGirl | sweet dreams are meade of this |
| 01:07:46 | DevGirl | :) |
| 01:07:58 | file[laptop] | gives DevGirl some jello |
| 01:08:13 | DevGirl | :D |
| 01:08:23 | file[laptop] | alright I'm really gone' |
| 01:08:45 | lalo | I sketched a picogui mascot once |
| 01:09:02 | fragglet | picogui needs a mascot |
| 01:09:10 | lalo | asked a mangartist friend to draw it, but she didn't do it yet |
| 01:09:17 | scanline | ooh.. mascot :) |
| 01:09:18 | file[laptop] | ME! |
| 01:09:24 | scanline | file[laptop]: :P |
| 01:09:35 | fragglet | heh file as a mascot |
| 01:09:39 | lalo | I call him "the picoguy" |
| 01:09:42 | file[laptop] | ok - gone |
| 01:09:54 | scanline | Hey cool... I always thought it'd be fun to build a GUI based on a server that does compositing and allocates SHM window buffers.. looks like someone is working on that |
| 01:10:06 | scanline | it's completely the opposite approach picogui takes, but I still think it's neat :) |
| 01:10:15 | scanline | http://www.nongnu.org/crust/ |
| 01:10:28 | fragglet | heh nongnu |
| 01:10:57 | fragglet | In the meantime, until Nova is ready, development is done under GNU/Hurd. |
| 01:11:02 | lalo | fragglet: nongnu.org is for projects that are not part of GNU but are hosted at their webservers |
| 01:11:10 | scanline | haha... he has creating and moving windows, labels the client library 10% done |
| 01:11:13 | fragglet | lalo: ah |
| 01:11:19 | scanline | reminds me of when I though I'd finish picogui over a summer |
| 01:11:23 | scanline | s/though/thought/ |
| 01:11:36 | fragglet | this looks pretty cool actually |
| 01:11:37 | lalo | scanline: "the last 10% usually take 90% of the time" |
| 01:11:42 | fragglet | looks like it has aa fonts too |
| 01:11:58 | scanline | lalo: yep |
| 01:12:01 | lalo | I'll go play a bit and then go home |
| 01:12:05 | lalo | I need sleep badly |
| 01:12:14 | scanline | g'night lalo |
| 01:12:17 | fragglet | nice |
| 01:12:18 | fragglet | or er |
| 01:12:19 | fragglet | gnice |
| 01:12:57 | gonkulator | night lalo |
| 01:13:53 | lalo | hey, I'm not going right now :-) |
| 01:13:56 | lalo | first a bit of play |
| 01:14:21 | lalo | you know |
| 01:14:28 | lalo | so many new levels, so little time to explore them |
| 01:14:32 | DevGirl | THIEVERY!!! |
| 01:14:36 | DevGirl | aaaahhhhhh |
| 01:14:42 | DevGirl | can't play |
| 01:15:23 | scanline | hehe |
| 01:16:55 | fragglet | GNU/Hurd + Crust + GNUstep = Aqua? |
| 01:16:56 | fragglet | No! |
| 01:16:58 | fragglet | haha |
| 01:17:44 | scanline | whoa.. this is a weird song.. "Tangerine Dream - Electronic Meditation - 02 - Journey Through a Burning Brain" |
| 01:17:54 | kergoth` | scanline: i like that name |
| 01:17:59 | scanline | :) |
| 01:18:10 | kergoth` | and if it wasnt weird, i'd be disappointed |
| 01:18:13 | kergoth` | :) |
| 01:18:17 | scanline | indeed |
| 01:20:52 | fragglet | hasnt been updated in over a year though |
| 01:21:02 | fragglet | dead project |
| 01:22:51 | scanline | I dunno.. the reason I found it was the author popped into #fresco and asked some questions about the framebuffer device in linux :) |
| 01:23:13 | scanline | <cookin> If you wonder who the hell I am; I'm the fellow behind Crust, listed in the Links section on the Fresco website. |
| 01:23:13 | scanline | <nicholas> cookin: oh! Hello. :) |
| 01:23:33 | scanline | I would have liked to talk to him, but I wasn't paying attention to #fresco at the time |
| 01:23:50 | fragglet | :/ |
| 01:24:42 | scanline | I don't like the architecture as much as picogui's.. way too much inconsistency. But it's cool in the sense that I'd do a toy project like that if I had time |
| 01:25:06 | fragglet | yeah it looks cool |
| 01:25:16 | scanline | It's basically the same approach OS X uses |
| 01:25:34 | fragglet | probably kind of stunts its own growth by being for hurd |
| 01:25:44 | fragglet | i dont see hurd going anywhere any time soon heh |
| 01:25:57 | scanline | yeah... one of the reasons I wanted picogui to be scalable and portable was mindshare and applications :) |
| 01:26:25 | scanline | though since he was asking about the linux framebuffer, that might mean he's already ported it to linux.. |
| 01:27:25 | scanline | kinda funny that he would go to fresco for framebuffer help.. they have a lot of layers of code to wade through to get to the framebuffer. The linux source code headers are decent, and I used Microwindows source for information on VT switching |
| 01:28:17 | TheMasterMind1 | is there any way to have apache/.htaccess prepend some php code to all html files in a dir and then force it to run the file through the php parser |
| 01:43:23 | Xentac | is back for a little while... not very long at all though |
| 01:46:18 | Xentac | in fact.. back for so little time, that I'm already gone again! |
| 01:46:26 | Xentac | is away: doing something else... |
| 01:46:42 | Xentac | is away: Going to see Belt |
| 01:56:50 | DevGirl[out] | scanline: Tangerine dreams are really weird band... but It's also cool |
| 01:57:03 | scanline | yep. Aerolite is my favorite |
| 01:57:04 | DevGirl[out] | they changed a lot, with the time |
| 01:57:29 | scanline | maybe I should get some sleep... |
| 01:57:41 | DevGirl[out] | listened enough too like them ^^ |
| 01:57:46 | DevGirl[out] | to |
| 01:57:53 | scanline | too |
| 01:58:05 | scanline | Yeah... I should try to sleep. good night DevGirl[out] :) |
| 01:58:07 | DevGirl[out] | is going to sleep also... |
| 01:58:18 | DevGirl[out] | Good night, scanline |
| 01:58:22 | DevGirl[out] | :*** |
| 01:58:35 | scanline | is away: Sleep, that's where I'm a vi king! |
| 01:58:40 | scanline | :) |
| 01:58:42 | scanline | :* |
| 01:59:02 | scanline | wonders how many people will get the simpsons reference in his away message, and how many people will just think he's weird... or both |
| 02:00:01 | fragglet | ralph wiggum? |
| 02:00:05 | scanline | yeah |
| 02:00:12 | scanline | leaves |
| 02:00:13 | fragglet | i saw an episode the other day |
| 02:00:24 | fragglet | it was a halloween episode |
| 02:00:37 | fragglet | with mr burns as a brain eating evil guy |
| 02:00:50 | fragglet | he was draining ralphs brainpower from a headset thing |
| 02:00:53 | fragglet | and ralph goes |
| 02:00:57 | fragglet | dying is fun! |
| 02:32:33 | TheMasterMind1 | is away: sleep. |
| 03:04:14 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 05:08:35) |
| 04:24:25 | probe | hola |
| 04:24:43 | probe | anyone active? |
| 04:24:53 | DragonEagle | most ppl writing code |
| 04:24:57 | probe | ah... |
| 04:25:07 | probe | I know little C... need to learn |
| 04:25:28 | probe | guess I'll read a little... |
| 05:11:02 | DragonEagle | is away: denny's |
| 06:53:16 | Xentac | is back (gone 05:06:34) |
| 08:59:41 | file[laptop] | hi |
| 14:55:16 | kergoth_ | scanline: where did you learn about vts in order to write the vt handling code in picogui? |
| 15:08:54 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 09:57:53) |
| 15:42:37 | DragonEagle | is there anybody out there (out there) |
| 15:42:45 | DragonEagle | oops sorry floydian slip :) |
| 16:11:37 | Xentac | strangely enough... they kicked me home, from work... |
| 16:12:09 | Xentac | boots up his vmware session... praying that it still runs... |
| 16:54:44 | DragonEagle | PicoBot: seen scanline |
| 16:54:45 | PicoBot | scanline was last seen on #picogui 14 hours, 54 minutes and 33 seconds ago, saying: leaves [Thu Sep 26 21:06:38 2002] |
| 17:49:13 | file[laptop] | hi all |
| 17:49:19 | DragonEagle | hey |
| 18:01:35 | DragonEagle | lalo[out]: ! |
| 18:20:53 | scanline | kergoth: I read the source code to other programs that used VTs, got most of my information from the Microwindows source |
| 18:21:23 | DragonEagle | he's alive!!!!!! |
| 18:21:27 | scanline | :) |
| 18:21:34 | kergoth_ | scanline: thanks. I want to improve opie's use of vts. |
| 18:21:36 | scanline | I just woke up.. and I'll be leaving for class soon |
| 18:22:02 | DragonEagle | is there any way to set the background for just the main application or a popup? |
| 18:22:13 | DragonEagle | or attach a theme to a single widget? |
| 18:22:32 | scanline | DragonEagle: yes. Create a custom theme object for that widget |
| 18:22:43 | scanline | for example, in your theme: |
| 18:22:57 | scanline | object "myapplication/mywidget" { |
| 18:23:01 | scanline | bgfill = fillstyle { |
| 18:23:02 | scanline | .... |
| 18:23:04 | scanline | } |
| 18:23:09 | scanline | } |
| 18:23:12 | DragonEagle | so object picowish { ? |
| 18:23:17 | scanline | err.. add a semicolon after that :) |
| 18:23:24 | scanline | no, it has to be in quotes |
| 18:23:30 | scanline | object "picowish" { |
| 18:23:46 | DragonEagle | which sets the object to the name of the app? |
| 18:23:46 | scanline | then, you can attach that to a widget by something like: |
| 18:24:09 | DragonEagle | ok, I see where your heading... |
| 18:24:12 | scanline | pgSetWidget(widget, PG_WP_THOBJ, pgFindThemeObject("picowish"), 0); |
| 18:24:39 | scanline | the pgFindThemeObject returns the theme object identifier that was allocated for the custom name, then you can assign that identifier to any widget |
| 18:24:40 | DragonEagle | can that be done with the handel returned by registerapp? |
| 18:24:53 | scanline | yes, that's just a panel widget handle |
| 18:25:09 | DragonEagle | sweet, I knew there had to be a way |
| 18:25:12 | scanline | additionally, you may want your custom theme object to inherit properties from the normal panel widget |
| 18:25:16 | scanline | in your theme, you can just set: |
| 18:25:25 | scanline | parent = PG_THOBJ_PANEL; |
| 18:25:40 | DragonEagle | trying to implement toplevel $name -bg color |
| 18:26:04 | scanline | I don't think it's a good idea to implement that |
| 18:26:21 | scanline | IMHO it shouldn't be the app's responsibility to set the color |
| 18:26:26 | DragonEagle | I almost need to in order to stick with the tk spec |
| 18:26:48 | scanline | For example, what happens if an app sets its background color to dark gray, and it's a black&white LCD? |
| 18:28:38 | DragonEagle | hmmm, maybe implement it to do nothing then |
| 18:29:00 | scanline | that should be good for now |
| 18:29:17 | scanline | if some apps depend on the user being able to distinguish between colored objects, it may need to be implemented |
| 18:29:26 | scanline | but if it's purely aesthetic, ditch it |
| 18:29:44 | DragonEagle | may want to check the color depth and threshold as necessary |
| 18:30:14 | scanline | possibly.. but still, you'd be overriding whatever theme the user has chosen with the colors this app wants |
| 18:30:28 | scanline | maybe it would be turned on as a command line option, off by default |
| 18:30:41 | scanline | gets a piece of garlic bread for breakfast |
| 18:31:32 | scanline | mmm |
| 18:34:14 | DragonEagle | but may be necessary for some apps. EG: a gameboard that the author just changed the background color of the app to speed up rendering |
| 18:34:56 | DragonEagle | usually that property doesn't get used, but I don't want it to kick an error when it is |
| 18:35:02 | scanline | right |
| 18:35:37 | DragonEagle | more often the background property is used on subwidgets to emphisize them for some reason or another |
| 18:36:15 | scanline | so how about the custom theme sets the panel's "bgcolor" property, but not the bgfill, so the theme can ignore it if it wants? |
| 18:36:34 | DragonEagle | that might work... |
| 18:36:52 | DragonEagle | isn't pgserver smart enought to know if a color is out side it's depth and autodither it? |
| 18:37:12 | scanline | bitmaps can optionally be dithered, solid colors are never dithered |
| 18:37:37 | DragonEagle | so it won't turn red to black on a monochrome screen |
| 18:38:08 | scanline | I'd suggest just leaving it as a no-op right now, until there's a situation where it needs to be implemented |
| 18:38:14 | DragonEagle | k |
| 18:38:37 | scanline | usually drawing colors outside the video device's capability isn't a problem, because apps never specify colors and themes are written with the video hardware in mind |
| 18:39:22 | DragonEagle | but what happens if you <accidently|on purpose> set to a theme that your hardware can't handle |
| 18:39:54 | scanline | then it looks bad |
| 18:40:15 | DragonEagle | :) |
| 18:47:06 | scanline | well, time for class |
| 18:47:11 | scanline | prolly be back on my laptop |
| 18:59:17 | Xentac[laptop] | hey all |
| 18:59:31 | file[laptop] | hi Xentac |
| 19:06:11 | Xentac[laptop] | damn... I wanted to look up something on the internet... |
| 19:06:15 | Xentac[laptop] | and now I don't even remember |
| 19:17:41 | Xentac[laptop] | PicoBot: seen gonkulator |
| 19:17:41 | PicoBot | gonkulator was last seen on #picogui 18 hours, 4 minutes and 44 seconds ago, saying: night lalo [Thu Sep 26 20:19:23 2002] |
| 19:17:48 | Xentac[laptop] | PicoBot: seen gonkulator{work} |
| 19:17:48 | PicoBot | gonkulator{work} was last seen on #picogui 23 hours, 28 minutes and 43 seconds ago, saying: later probe [Thu Sep 26 14:55:32 2002] |
| 19:18:42 | DragonEagle | I love tcl's human readability :) |
| 19:23:20 | scan[ibook] | hi Xentac[laptop] |
| 19:23:35 | scan[ibook] | hmm.. neat description: "a tk implementation written in tcl using picogui" |
| 19:23:52 | Xentac[laptop] | hi scan[ibook] |
| 19:24:14 | Xentac[laptop] | tries to find any places where people have tried to get Dungeon Keeper working in Linux |
| 19:24:18 | DragonEagle | it's kinda wierd how I implemented the semi oo framework tho |
| 19:25:58 | scan[ibook] | DragonEagle: does tk distinguish between a main application window and a dialog box/popup? |
| 19:26:37 | DragonEagle | yes, the main application window is called . where a dialog/popup has to be a child of it |
| 19:26:52 | scan[ibook] | ok |
| 19:27:37 | DragonEagle | that's why I created the main window with register app and other toplevels are popups |
| 19:30:57 | scan[ibook] | wonders why probabity classes always use urns full of marbles |
| 19:31:05 | scan[ibook] | s/probabity/probability/ |
| 19:31:46 | DragonEagle | precident |
| 19:32:08 | scan[ibook] | oh yeah, balls not marbles |
| 19:32:15 | DragonEagle | and because your odds of ending up on one side or the other of a coin is not 50/50 |
| 19:32:17 | scan[ibook] | but still... it must be some mandate from the math cult :) |
| 19:32:55 | scan[ibook] | urns were invented by the math cult for use by philosophers and probability professors |
| 19:32:56 | Xentac[laptop] | hehhe |
| 19:32:58 | Xentac[laptop] | math cult |
| 19:33:29 | scan[ibook] | the Ode to a Greecian Urn was really about probability! |
| 19:33:30 | DragonEagle | thought they were invented by mortitians to stick ppls ashes in |
| 19:35:11 | scan[ibook] | DragonEagle: morticians are part of the math cult |
| 19:35:20 | scan[ibook] | that's just what they want you to think |
| 19:39:25 | DragonEagle | naw, using urns was a _crime_ of convience :) |
| 19:42:38 | scan[ibook] | :) |
| 19:42:39 | scan[ibook] | brb |
| 19:45:47 | scan[ibook] | back |
| 19:46:31 | DragonEagle | wb |
| 19:46:53 | scan[ibook] | thanks |
| 19:48:16 | Xentac[laptop] | hey... |
| 19:48:56 | Xentac[laptop] | who wants to see the beginning of my spoof on the shakespeare... ummm... what is it... a poem...? |
| 19:49:00 | Xentac[laptop] | 'To be or not to be' |
| 19:49:22 | scan[ibook] | soliloquy I think |
| 19:49:23 | DragonEagle | Xentac[laptop]: it's a silloqui (sp) |
| 19:49:28 | Xentac[laptop] | that's the word |
| 19:49:32 | Xentac[laptop] | who wants to read the beginning of it? |
| 19:49:40 | scan[ibook] | sure |
| 19:49:47 | DragonEagle | never claimed to be abal to spill |
| 19:49:48 | Xentac[laptop] | it's 10 lines... |
| 19:49:54 | Xentac[laptop] | I hope that's ok to paste into the channel... |
| 19:50:10 | scan[ibook] | DragonEagle :) |
| 19:50:24 | Xentac[laptop] | To C or not to C: that is the question: |
| 19:50:25 | Xentac[laptop] | Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer |
| 19:50:25 | Xentac[laptop] | The slings and arrows of outrageous malloc(), |
| 19:50:25 | Xentac[laptop] | Or to take arms against a sea of garbage collectors, |
| 19:50:25 | Xentac[laptop] | And by opposing end them? To die(): to sleep(); |
| 19:50:25 | Xentac[laptop] | No more; and by a sleep() to say we exit() |
| 19:50:27 | Xentac[laptop] | The machine failure and the thousand natural shocks |
| 19:50:29 | Xentac[laptop] | That hardware is heir to, 'tis a computation |
| 19:50:31 | Xentac[laptop] | Devoutly to be wish'd. To die(), to sleep(); |
| 19:50:33 | Xentac[laptop] | To sleep(): perchance to dream(): ay, there's the |
| 19:51:01 | scan[ibook] | hehe |
| 19:51:03 | Xentac[laptop] | that's as far as I'm made it just now... |
| 19:51:10 | DragonEagle | lololol |
| 19:51:40 | DragonEagle | thinks that needs to go on the quotes page |
| 19:51:42 | kergoth_ | lmao |
| 19:51:45 | kergoth_ | Xentac[laptop]: nice |
| 19:52:13 | scan[ibook] | I can't cut and paste easily on this machine.. but I could put it on the quotes page when I get back to yoshi (or someone else could put it up?) |
| 19:52:26 | scan[ibook] | I need to get around to configuring a middle mouse button on here.. |
| 19:52:29 | Xentac[laptop] | notes that it's not done yet... |
| 19:52:39 | Xentac[laptop] | scan[ibook]: hehehe... silly one mouse button |
| 19:52:47 | scan[ibook] | I have two :P |
| 19:52:54 | Xentac[laptop] | probably would have bought one of those if it had the same mouse layout as this one. |
| 19:53:01 | DragonEagle | scan[ibook]: give me a few moments to register |
| 19:53:05 | Xentac[laptop] | ok... |
| 19:53:19 | Xentac[laptop] | what is something that equates to computers that canbe substituted for "rub" |
| 19:53:27 | scan[ibook] | bug? |
| 19:53:28 | Xentac[laptop] | that way I can finish off the sentence at least... |
| 19:53:36 | Xentac[laptop] | scan[ibook]: nice |
| 19:53:51 | kergoth_ | ay, there's the bug? sweet |
| 19:53:55 | scan[ibook] | easy to think about bugs in here :) |
| 19:54:28 | kergoth_ | hehe |
| 19:56:20 | DragonEagle | ok, how do you put a forced break on the wiki? |
| 19:56:50 | scan[ibook] | forgets |
| 19:56:53 | Xentac[laptop] | DragonEagle: I don't believe you can put a single forced break... but if you put two carriage returns then it'll move down two lines... |
| 19:57:02 | scan[ibook] | nah, I'm pretty sure it's possible |
| 19:57:05 | scan[ibook] | read the WikiFormat page |
| 19:57:08 | DragonEagle | yeah, I didn't want to dblspace |
| 19:57:57 | scan[ibook] | well, you could try putting it inside a <pre> </pre> block |
| 19:58:10 | Xentac[laptop] | notes that this thing is kinda long... |
| 20:00:32 | Xentac[laptop] | hits another part he has to think... |
| 20:00:37 | Xentac[laptop] | I'm more than half way through now... |
| 20:00:40 | Xentac[laptop] | 19 lines |
| 20:00:49 | Xentac[laptop] | will probably post it when he's done. |
| 20:00:57 | scan[ibook] | ok |
| 20:01:15 | Xentac[laptop] | has trouble with the old english of this line... |
| 20:01:32 | Xentac[laptop] | someone translate "and the spurns that patient merit of the unworthy takes" |
| 20:01:58 | Xentac[laptop] | does that means that the patient spurns the unworthy, basically... |
| 20:02:32 | DragonEagle | ok, it ain't pretty, but it worked |
| 20:03:32 | DragonEagle | those who are patient will win over those who are not |
| 20:03:39 | Xentac[laptop] | is that what that means? |
| 20:03:44 | Xentac[laptop] | ok... I had it majorly wrong... |
| 20:03:47 | DragonEagle | methinks |
| 20:04:16 | scan[ibook] | IRC needs a /methinks command |
| 20:04:18 | Xentac[laptop] | hmms... |
| 20:04:33 | DragonEagle | scan[ibook]: no, that was SCA talk :) |
| 20:04:41 | scan[ibook] | SCA? |
| 20:04:48 | Xentac[laptop] | cause the context is he's listing all these bad things and saying, "is it worth it, if you just get a bare bodkin?" |
| 20:05:12 | DragonEagle | Society for Creative Anachronism, it's a medevil recreation group |
| 20:05:27 | scan[ibook] | hehe, cool |
| 20:05:42 | Xentac[laptop] | cause I was reading it that the patient spurned and the unworthy took the spurn... |
| 20:06:00 | DragonEagle | basically |
| 20:06:23 | Xentac[laptop] | alright... then I had my conversion right... |
| 20:06:34 | Xentac[laptop] | "and the spurns that lusers merit of the tech support takes" |
| 20:08:09 | DragonEagle | Xentac[laptop]: you'll have to fix my gross protrayla of your poem on the quotes page when you get it finished |
| 20:08:18 | Xentac[laptop] | hehehe |
| 20:08:30 | Xentac[laptop] | alright... I'll fill it in |
| 20:08:44 | Xentac[laptop] | had the idea one day while riding to work... |
| 20:08:56 | Xentac[laptop] | and since... I'm home sick... and being paid for it anyway... I might as well do it! |
| 20:09:01 | file | I just downloaded Mingw for no reason |
| 20:09:15 | Xentac[laptop] | quick... what's another word for hardware... that makes it sound like a traveller? |
| 20:09:31 | DragonEagle | hardware |
| 20:09:35 | Xentac[laptop] | hehehe |
| 20:09:40 | Xentac[laptop] | used consumer device |
| 20:09:48 | file | "the opposite of software" |
| 20:10:00 | scan[ibook] | "the part of the computer you can kick when it breaks" |
| 20:10:05 | DragonEagle | to fill in the syllabols, try "consumer hardware" |
| 20:10:19 | file | this PPPoE software is junk |
| 20:10:39 | Xentac[laptop] | no... I think consumer device works better here... |
| 20:10:49 | DragonEagle | k just a thought |
| 20:10:57 | Xentac[laptop] | thanks though |
| 20:11:02 | Xentac[laptop] | appreciates the help |
| 20:14:13 | Xentac[laptop] | dude... he uses the word resolution... sweet :) |
| 20:14:27 | scan[ibook] | hehe |
| 20:14:44 | Xentac[laptop] | And thus the native depth of resolution |
| 20:14:45 | Xentac[laptop] | Is sicklied o'er with the poor quality of the monitor, |
| 20:14:48 | Xentac[laptop] | it's beautiful... |
| 20:15:50 | scan[ibook] | :) |
| 20:17:16 | Xentac[laptop] | hmmm... |
| 20:17:35 | Xentac[laptop] | someone define the state of tech-based lawsuits in one word |
| 20:17:46 | Xentac[laptop] | ("With this regard their lawsuits become _____") |
| 20:18:07 | scan[ibook] | craptastulistic |
| 20:18:12 | Xentac[laptop] | ummm... |
| 20:18:16 | Xentac[laptop] | was looking for a real word... |
| 20:18:39 | Xentac[laptop] | might just change it to "With this regard their actions become litigious" |
| 20:18:41 | scan[ibook] | greedy? |
| 20:18:56 | scan[ibook] | pointless? |
| 20:18:57 | Xentac[laptop] | I was going to say "stupid"... but that doesn't fit |
| 20:18:58 | scan[ibook] | evil? |
| 20:19:09 | Xentac[laptop] | hehehe |
| 20:19:11 | scan[ibook] | uninformed? |
| 20:19:26 | Xentac[laptop] | I'll stay with litigious... |
| 20:19:27 | scan[ibook] | manupulative? |
| 20:19:32 | scan[ibook] | k |
| 20:19:40 | Xentac[laptop] | nah... there's not enough description in that word |
| 20:19:44 | Xentac[laptop] | s /that/those |
| 20:19:46 | Xentac[laptop] | s /word/words |
| 20:20:07 | scan[ibook] | pluralize(sentence->previous); |
| 20:20:11 | Xentac[laptop] | nice |
| 20:20:35 | Xentac[laptop] | scan[ibook]: the problem is it would come out: there's not enough descriptions in that word |
| 20:20:44 | file | there goes my connection again |
| 20:20:45 | Xentac[laptop] | ok... |
| 20:20:54 | Xentac[laptop] | let's pretend.. |
| 20:21:11 | scan[ibook] | pluralize(sentence->previous,"word"); |
| 20:21:11 | file | I should call NBTel |
| 20:21:25 | Xentac[laptop] | the corporations had goals of making people happy. |
| 20:21:27 | scan[ibook] | or.. |
| 20:21:36 | Xentac[laptop] | can you describe that in two words? |
| 20:21:42 | Xentac[laptop] | ("and lose the goal of _____") |
| 20:21:44 | scan[ibook] | s/word/plural($1)/ge; |
| 20:22:05 | scan[ibook] | happy benevolence? |
| 20:22:10 | Xentac[laptop] | nice! |
| 20:22:26 | DragonEagle | scan[ibook] s/word/plural ($1)/ge; ? |
| 20:22:33 | Xentac[laptop] | what's a gnu? |
| 20:22:43 | DragonEagle | it's a member of the cattle family |
| 20:22:59 | scan[ibook] | DragonEagle: if perl had a Language::English module maybe :) |
| 20:22:59 | Xentac[laptop] | is Ophelia was a "nymph" what's a gnu? |
| 20:23:09 | DragonEagle | scan[ibook]: lol |
| 20:23:25 | DragonEagle | scan[ibook]: just changed the command for opening a connection |
| 20:23:42 | DragonEagle | pgui connect -server $servername -display $displaynum |
| 20:23:55 | DragonEagle | the tcl dev community would be proud :) |
| 20:24:09 | scan[ibook] | Xentac[laptop]: a.. hrm... |
| 20:24:12 | Xentac[laptop] | sweet |
| 20:24:16 | Xentac[laptop] | it's a mascot! |
| 20:24:17 | Xentac[laptop] | hehehe |
| 20:24:29 | scan[ibook] | DragonEagle: you should implement the $PGSERVER environment variable that lalo and I discussed :) |
| 20:24:45 | DragonEagle | hey, now that I remember what it's called I will :) |
| 20:24:57 | scan[ibook] | I should put that in pgui-protocol.. a recommendation for $PGSERVER |
| 20:25:09 | scan[ibook] | DragonEagle: it's in X-like syntax, with both the hostname and the display number optional |
| 20:25:21 | file | mmm |
| 20:25:23 | file | I'll bbl |
| 20:25:38 | DragonEagle | scan[ibook]: yeah, I remember you talking about it, just couldn't remember the name |
| 20:25:43 | scan[ibook] | so... menchi:0, menchi, localhost:0, :0, and the empty string are all valid |
| 20:25:48 | scan[ibook] | DragonEagle: ah, ok |
| 20:26:18 | Xentac[laptop] | ok... |
| 20:26:28 | Xentac[laptop] | puts the first draft on his web page |
| 20:27:26 | Xentac[laptop] | ok |
| 20:27:28 | Xentac[laptop] | everyone check out: |
| 20:27:34 | Xentac[laptop] | http://xentac.net:8085/~jchu/toC.txt |
| 20:29:30 | DragonEagle | scan[ibook]: would if $PGSERVER=="" then PGSERVER="localhost:0" be the right behavior? |
| 20:30:03 | scan[ibook] | DragonEagle: yes. both halves are optional, and that's the default |
| 20:30:06 | Xentac[laptop] | you guys read it yet? |
| 20:30:19 | scan[ibook] | is reading |
| 20:30:21 | Xentac[laptop] | likes it. |
| 20:30:24 | DragonEagle | scan[ibook]: k give me a few minutes :) |
| 20:30:54 | scan[ibook] | Xentac[laptop]: spiffy! |
| 20:31:09 | Xentac[laptop] | quite likes it... all the way through actually |
| 20:31:21 | Xentac[laptop] | don't distribute it yet... |
| 20:31:26 | Xentac[laptop] | has to GPL is first... |
| 20:32:08 | scan[ibook] | put it on the wiki :) |
| 20:33:06 | DragonEagle | Xentac[laptop]: cool |
| 20:33:31 | Xentac[laptop] | can't remember how to GPL something.. |
| 20:34:07 | scan[ibook] | read the GPL, there's a section at the bottom with info on using it |
| 20:34:09 | Xentac[laptop] | gpls it right now |
| 20:34:18 | Xentac[laptop] | yeah... I read it once before... |
| 20:34:19 | Xentac[laptop] | way back when |
| 20:34:28 | scan[ibook] | but the GPL isn't really best for text... |
| 20:34:38 | Xentac[laptop] | what's better then? |
| 20:34:38 | scan[ibook] | there's the license pgui-protocol is released under |
| 20:34:43 | scan[ibook] | looks up what it's called |
| 20:34:58 | Xentac[laptop] | there's also a documentation "gpl" license... |
| 20:35:06 | scan[ibook] | ah, GNU Free Documentation License |
| 20:35:17 | Xentac[laptop] | yeah... that might work better... no? |
| 20:35:32 | scan[ibook] | just look at the top of pgui-protocol, you can stick a copyright and a paragraph like that at the top of the poem |
| 20:36:31 | Xentac[laptop] | what's the pgui-protocol license say? |
| 20:36:36 | scan[ibook] | read it... |
| 20:36:43 | Xentac[laptop] | give me a link... |
| 20:36:55 | scan[ibook] | http://picogui.org/doc/pgui-protocol/pgui-protocol.html |
| 20:38:29 | scan[ibook] | you should read the license before using it of course |
| 20:38:34 | Xentac[laptop] | nods. |
| 20:38:38 | Xentac[laptop] | later |
| 20:38:39 | Xentac[laptop] | ;o) |
| 20:38:44 | scan[ibook] | http://www.fsf.org/licenses/fdl.html |
| 20:38:45 | scan[ibook] | :) |
| 20:40:38 | Xentac[laptop] | there... how's that? |
| 20:41:06 | scan[ibook] | good |
| 20:41:31 | scan[ibook] | might want to wrap all the text to a consistent place though |
| 20:41:41 | Xentac[laptop] | :P |
| 20:42:11 | Xentac[laptop] | happy? |
| 20:42:21 | scan[ibook] | yep |
| 20:42:35 | Xentac[laptop] | oops... |
| 20:42:37 | Xentac[laptop] | another typo... |
| 20:53:37 | Xentac[laptop] | put the license at the bottom... because another of his friends complained... |
| 20:54:25 | Xentac[laptop] | no no... |
| 20:54:26 | Xentac[laptop] | back at the top |
| 20:54:29 | Xentac[laptop] | and that's where it's staying |
| 21:08:48 | DragonEagle | is away: bbiab |
| 21:10:32 | Xentac[laptop] | wants to share his poem with other people... |
| 21:12:47 | scanline | is back (gone 19:14:12) |
| 21:13:34 | Xentac | scanline: where should I put it in wiki? |
| 21:13:54 | scanline | you could put it in a new page, and link to it from Quotes |
| 21:19:12 | Xentac | there we go... |
| 21:19:15 | Xentac | it doesn't look great... |
| 21:19:18 | Xentac | but I suppose it'll do |
| 21:19:20 | Xentac | http://picogui.org/wiki/view/Main/ToCOrNotToC |
| 21:19:35 | Xentac | you can't easily have a single line |
| 21:22:21 | scanline | try a <pre> tag |
| 21:22:28 | Xentac | yeah? |
| 21:22:47 | Xentac | hey cool |
| 21:22:53 | Xentac | fixes it |
| 21:23:30 | Xentac | sweet, that much awesome-er |
| 21:24:03 | scanline | hmm... you added a Silly section. Quotes should go in that instead of Ideas I think :) |
| 21:24:10 | Xentac | hehehe |
| 21:24:13 | Xentac | alrighty, you wanna do that? |
| 21:24:28 | scanline | k |
| 21:25:17 | scanline | netao |
| 21:25:20 | scanline | err |
| 21:25:22 | scanline | neato |
| 21:25:24 | Xentac | hehehe |
| 21:25:35 | Xentac | makes the topic more prominant |
| 21:25:58 | Xentac | you like my red dwarf reference? |
| 21:26:11 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 00:17:23) |
| 21:27:48 | DragonEagle | scanline: picogui.tcl now uses the PGSERVER environment variable |
| 21:27:56 | scanline | cool |
| 21:28:00 | DragonEagle | and let me tell you it was a pain in the butt |
| 21:28:07 | scanline | Xentac: I didn't catch that... where? |
| 21:28:19 | Xentac | "silicon heaven" |
| 21:28:31 | scanline | oh yeah! |
| 21:28:32 | scanline | :) |
| 21:29:05 | Xentac | and now I have a place to put it that won't use up all of my bandwidth! mwahahaha |
| 21:29:10 | scanline | :) |
| 21:29:33 | Xentac | surely, you don't mind |
| 21:29:39 | scanline | nope |
| 21:29:44 | scanline | it's not my bandwidth |
| 21:29:45 | Xentac | good good |
| 21:29:53 | Xentac | whos is it? |
| 21:29:57 | scanline | sourceforge |
| 21:30:01 | Xentac | ah yes |
| 21:30:20 | Xentac | hopefully they don't mind ;o) (yeah right!) |
| 21:52:39 | scanline | ohhhh... |
| 21:52:42 | scanline | finds a bug |
| 21:52:45 | Xentac | hmmm? |
| 21:52:52 | scanline | "GURU: Something's causing layout engine oscillation via the scroll widget!" |
| 21:53:03 | scanline | it's the scroll widget itself! |
| 21:53:11 | Xentac | ummm... I see... |
| 21:53:13 | scanline | when it gets too small, it switches to horizontal mode and screws up the layout |
| 21:53:40 | Xentac | file: wanna read my parady? |
| 21:54:13 | file | hrms |
| 21:54:18 | file | sure |
| 21:54:41 | Xentac | it's in the topic... |
| 21:57:38 | anonyman | i made the jingle |
| 21:57:51 | file | ooh |
| 22:13:59 | DragonEagle | is away: bbq |
| 22:28:13 | anonyman | what's going on? |
| 22:28:48 | Xentac | anonyman: check out the wiki page that's in the topic |
| 22:32:23 | file | enjoys it |
| 22:32:34 | Xentac | file: excellent |
| 22:34:08 | file | I got somebody to do a jingle for File Radio... |
| 22:34:16 | file | http://users.staticky.com/joshnet/fileradio/FileRadio.mp3 |
| 22:34:23 | file | it's only 210kb, but tell me what you think |
| 22:34:54 | Xentac | hehehe |
| 22:34:58 | Xentac | it works |
| 22:35:10 | file | he did the guitar stuff.. |
| 22:35:25 | Xentac | noticed |
| 22:35:53 | anonyman | in a garage |
| 22:36:24 | file | with a beautiful eMac... |
| 22:36:55 | anonyman | i used cacophony, a shareare os x app |
| 22:37:37 | file | anonyman: Xentac is a fellow Canadian... |
| 22:37:53 | anonyman | cool |
| 22:38:52 | Xentac | hehehe... I'm reading about Tin Hat Linux |
| 22:57:29 | Keyser[away] | here's a question: who owns your /dev/cdrom? |
| 22:57:52 | Xentac | root... |
| 22:58:21 | Keyser[away] | and if you use the "user" option in fstab, anyone can mount it, right? |
| 22:58:47 | Xentac | hmmmm... |
| 22:58:49 | Keyser[away] | can i still open an audio CD in XMMS for example (which uses /dev/cdrom without mounting it), if I am a non-root user? |
| 22:59:08 | Xentac | I can because I'm part of the disk group, which also has read/write permission |
| 22:59:27 | Xentac | the user option makes it so that the person who mounts the device owns the files... |
| 22:59:32 | Keyser[away] | what do you have in fstab for cdrom? |
| 22:59:43 | Xentac | but if they don't have read permission to the device, then I don't believe they can mount it... |
| 22:59:48 | Xentac | defaults,ro,user,noauto |
| 23:00:28 | Keyser[away] | is /dev/cdrom a device on your system, or a symlink to /dev/cdroms/cdrom0? |
| 23:00:45 | Keyser[away] | gentoo has /dev/cdroms/cdrom0 in the fstab, it looks funny. |
| 23:00:55 | Keyser[away] | and there is a /dev/cdrom, but it is only a symlink. |
| 23:01:20 | Xentac | symlink |
| 23:01:32 | Xentac | /dev/cdroms/cdrom0 is because of devfs |
| 23:01:35 | file | same with /dev/mouse |
| 23:01:57 | Keyser[away] | never heard of devfs before installing gentoo. |
| 23:02:17 | Xentac | devfs is a new kernel feature |
| 23:02:29 | Keyser[away] | do you have it? |
| 23:02:38 | scanline | I like devfs.. but most distros don't use it |
| 23:02:39 | Xentac | instead of creating the devices in /dev with MKDEV or whatever the driver creates the devices |
| 23:02:46 | Xentac | I have it on my gentoo install |
| 23:02:46 | scanline | hasn't bothered to get it set up on his own system yet |
| 23:02:48 | Xentac | but not on my desktop |
| 23:02:57 | Xentac | devfs is good... but different |
| 23:03:17 | Keyser[away] | does it complicate playing an audio CD in XMMS, or is the same old regular linux way that is confusing me? |
| 23:03:17 | Xentac | one thing I find annoying is if I change the devfs.conf file, there's a damned good chance I have to reboot to see the changes |
| 23:03:34 | Xentac | could be partly devfs |
| 23:04:11 | Keyser[away] | how do you play an audio CD in xmms? |
| 23:04:29 | file | bleh |
| 23:04:32 | file | haven't even made up my bed |
| 23:05:24 | Xentac | can't help anymore.. he's tired and sick and is going to have another nap... |
| 23:06:04 | Xentac | sorry man |
| 23:06:23 | Keyser[away] | on the XMMS homepage, they say "in the device tab"... and I don't know where the device tab is. |
| 23:06:50 | Keyser[away] | i thought when i had mandrake i only had to open /dev/cdrom with the "add file" feature, but now I am starting to wonder |
| 23:10:05 | scanline | they might have changed that in a new version of xmms |
| 23:10:34 | Keyser[away] | gives up, and emerges 'cdplay' instead. |
| 23:11:15 | file | I've used cdplay |
| 23:11:19 | file | it was irritating |
| 23:12:37 | Keyser[away] | file: what do you use to play CDs? |
| 23:14:07 | file | what's the name... I'll tell you in a sec |
| 23:14:48 | file | workbone! |
| 23:15:10 | Keyser[away] | hmm, it's not a gentoo package. |
| 23:15:22 | file | that sucks |
| 23:17:07 | Keyser[away] | why is XMMS evil? |
| 23:17:59 | file | because. |
| 23:32:32 | carpman | hi all |
| 23:33:44 | scanline | hi carpman! |
| 23:33:55 | carpman | smee? |
| 23:34:25 | carpman | got that confused with shmee, and thought there was another JTHM fan in the room. |
| 23:34:38 | carpman | scanline: whats up? |
| 23:34:40 | scanline | lotsa people in here lately... |
| 23:35:16 | scanline | carpman: hacking some random stuff in pgserver right now.. fixed some bugs in the scroll widget that were bothering me in the textbox, and decided to implement horizontal scrolling, since it's 90% done already |
| 23:35:35 | carpman | cool |
| 23:35:43 | scanline | and I'm using the new subclassing support to make a "scrollbox" widget derived from box that includes horizontal and vertical scrollbars |
| 23:36:06 | carpman | ahh, good for pgl-launchers eventual icon support |
| 23:36:10 | scanline | I want to make sure it checks the theme for the scrollbar's PG_WP_SIDE, so I can make a theme to put the scrollbar on the left side for us lefties :) |
| 23:37:35 | scanline | or I could just make the scrollbar default to the left side and make right-handed people load an extra theme... |
| 23:37:49 | scanline | >:) |
| 23:39:50 | carpman | I could sneak into cvs and change it back :) |
| 23:40:51 | scanline | hehe |
| 23:40:57 | scanline | or I could... make you lefthanded! |
| 23:41:25 | file | makes scanline use Windows |
| 23:41:35 | carpman | ioctl: operation not permitted. |
| 23:41:56 | carpman | sorry, my kernel does not support left-handedness. |
| 23:42:10 | scanline | insmod lefty.o |
| 23:42:10 | carpman | much like my brain does not support big-endedness |
| 23:42:23 | file | wb anonyman |
| 23:42:30 | anonyman | hey hey |
| 23:42:34 | carpman | scanline: I got glitch's indigo2 |
| 23:42:40 | scanline | spiffy |
| 23:42:45 | carpman | the graphics are... impressive. |
| 23:43:20 | carpman | this thing has fp preformance to make nvidia cry. But, this is an older card, so it only has one texture pipeline. |
| 23:44:30 | scanline | carpman: is there any way to do a #define inside a #define? |
| 23:45:47 | carpman | did you try it the obvious way? |
| 23:45:47 | scanline | yes |
| 23:45:54 | scanline | it tries to preprocess it right away instead of including it in the macro |
| 23:46:08 | carpman | then no, I don't think so |
| 23:46:20 | scanline | oh wait... never mind |
| 23:46:42 | carpman | hehe, I had to rewire a sun 20" monitor to work on the SGI cable standard. |
| 23:46:47 | scanline | is confusing himself |