| 00:52:23 | scanline | is back (gone 01:42:52) |
| 01:12:17 | gonkulator | wb scanline |
| 01:12:43 | scanline | thanks |
| 01:13:55 | gonkulator | how did your BIOS tweaking go? |
| 01:14:24 | scanline | I was verifying that lm_sensors was reporting the correct temperatures |
| 01:14:31 | scanline | now I'm compiling a new kernel... |
| 01:15:14 | gonkulator | enjoys kernel compiles |
| 01:15:20 | gonkulator | ESPECIALLY when they are fast :) |
| 01:15:25 | scanline | I should time this one.. |
| 01:15:44 | gonkulator | and if not, clean your source tree and compile it again :) |
| 01:16:09 | scanline | yoshi:/usr/src/linux-2.4.19# time make -j3 bzImage modules modules_install |
| 01:16:25 | gonkulator | hey, are we going to have a party to celebrate the .42 release of PicoGUI? |
| 01:16:32 | scanline | I dunno |
| 01:16:35 | gonkulator | we should |
| 01:16:51 | scanline | probably won't be many people that would want to come... |
| 01:16:53 | | Since Mon Sep 9 22:33:33 2002, there have been 148 modifications and 714 questions. I have been awake for 4 days, 3 hours, 43 minutes, 20 seconds this session, and currently reference 84297 factoids. Addressing is in require mode. |
| 01:16:53 | gonkulator | ibot: status |
| 01:17:03 | gonkulator | would want to come |
| 01:17:18 | | PicoBot was last seen on #picogui 4 days, 3 hours, 15 minutes and 52 seconds ago, saying: OK, scanline [Mon Sep 9 23:01:26 2002] |
| 01:17:18 | gonkulator | ibot: seen PicoBot |
| 01:17:25 | gonkulator | PicoBot: seen ibot |
| 01:17:25 | PicoBot | ibot was last seen on #openzaurus 1 days, 4 hours, 36 minutes and 7 seconds ago, saying: rumour has it openzaurus is a Community version of the operating environment for the Sharp Zaurus SL-5x00[d] PDA. See http://openzaurus.sf.net/. or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ or see http://telia.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/openzaurus/FAQ [Thu Sep 12 15:47:33 2002] |
| 01:17:32 | gonkulator | hehehehe |
| 01:17:47 | gonkulator | PicoBot: insult ibot |
| 01:17:48 | PicoBot | ibot is nothing but an half-faced mass of clouted fish heads. |
| 01:17:56 | | PicoBot is nothing but a vassal-willed pile of toad-spotted guano. |
| 01:17:56 | gonkulator | ibot: insult PicoBot |
| 01:18:21 | scanline | It'd be funny if ibot didn't yet have a definition of itself and it remembered picobot's insult |
| 01:18:31 | gonkulator | PicoBot: recurse is <reply> ibot: recurse |
| 01:18:32 | PicoBot | OK, gonkulator. |
| 01:18:39 | scanline | hey, kernel's done |
| 01:18:42 | | ...but recurse is <reply> recurse?... |
| 01:18:42 | gonkulator | ibot: recurse is <reply> PicoBot: recurse |
| 01:18:47 | scanline | real 2m19.621s |
| 01:18:47 | scanline | user 3m59.450s |
| 01:18:47 | scanline | sys 0m28.150s |
| 01:18:49 | gonkulator | WOW |
| 01:18:54 | gonkulator | thats pretty fast |
| 01:19:02 | scanline | hehe, funny how the CPU time is more than the real time |
| 01:19:09 | scanline | 2 CPUs will do that :) |
| 01:19:22 | | gonkulator: I forgot recurse |
| 01:19:22 | gonkulator | ibot: forget recurse |
| 01:19:26 | | OK, gonkulator. |
| 01:19:26 | gonkulator | ibot: recurse is <reply> PicoBot: recurse |
| 01:19:38 | gonkulator | hi file |
| 01:19:56 | file | hiya |
| 01:20:06 | file | is testing his upgraded NAT software |
| 01:20:17 | scanline | hmm... something went wrong with that kernel compile, I have no bzImage |
| 01:20:26 | file | I think I might reinstall my old software though |
| 01:20:35 | scanline | hmm, it skipped the final linking stage |
| 01:20:36 | scanline | odd |
| 01:20:56 | file | make bzImage? |
| 01:21:01 | scanline | has 6 enries in his boot menu =) |
| 01:21:12 | gonkulator | wants an enrie |
| 01:21:15 | gonkulator | PicoBot: recurse |
| 01:21:15 | PicoBot | ibot: recurse |
| 01:21:26 | | PicoBot: recurse |
| 01:21:26 | gonkulator | ibot: recurse |
| 01:21:32 | gonkulator | this isn't working... |
| 01:21:56 | gonkulator | file: I set it up so that asking one of them to recurse makes it ask the other to recurse |
| 01:22:00 | gonkulator | and it isn't working... |
| 01:22:09 | gonkulator | PicoBot: recurse |
| 01:22:10 | PicoBot | ibot: recurse |
| 01:22:17 | | PicoBot: recurse |
| 01:22:17 | gonkulator | ibot: recurse |
| 01:22:24 | gonkulator | dak |
| 01:22:29 | gonkulator | this is no fun |
| 01:22:35 | gonkulator | file: what do you think? |
| 01:22:51 | file | shrugs |
| 01:23:00 | gonkulator | bot fight |
| 01:23:06 | file | this software is too slow on my system |
| 01:23:09 | | i am spiffy or BZFlag and Tangent's bot that hangs out on lots of OPN channels |
| 01:23:09 | gonkulator | ibot: ibot? |
| 01:23:10 | file | I need to install my old stuff |
| 01:23:13 | file | bbl |
| 01:23:21 | gonkulator | later file |
| 01:23:24 | gonkulator | PicoBot: ibot |
| 01:23:25 | PicoBot | rumour has it ibot is a picobot ravisher or my evil twin of DOOM |
| 01:23:40 | gonkulator | PicoBot: insult ibot |
| 01:23:41 | PicoBot | ibot is nothing but a pignutted mass of flap-mouthed anal warts. |
| 01:25:55 | gonkulator | pignutted :) |
| 01:27:22 | gonkulator | PicoBot: your also funny |
| 01:27:22 | PicoBot | gonkulator: i'm not following you... |
| 01:27:47 | gonkulator | PicoBot: you are also funny |
| 01:27:48 | PicoBot | okay, gonkulator. |
| 01:36:38 | file | there |
| 01:36:44 | file | the ping times were cut in half by me downgrading |
| 01:45:53 | jojo | Argh. No swedish people to talkt to. |
| 01:51:05 | jojo | Apparently. :-/77 |
| 02:54:32 | Xentac | returnth. |
| 03:32:53 | Xentac | is away: Xentac taketh away. |
| 04:43:15 | scanline | clocks a picogui compile on his system with 'make -j3' at 10.777 seconds |
| 05:49:53 | viking667 | Hi all... |
| 05:51:41 | viking667 | Hi scanline |
| 05:52:29 | viking667 | Hmmm - I rather LIKE that picture (/topic) |
| 06:01:08 | hikke | Hmm, cli_php would be really nifty.. |
| 06:01:13 | scanline | hi viking667 |
| 06:01:25 | scanline | was trying out Unreal Tournament 2003 |
| 06:01:42 | hikke | Cool, is the demo out "allredy"? |
| 06:01:51 | scanline | yeah.. demo version for linux and windows :) |
| 06:02:36 | hikke | Nice, gotta try it out too |
| 06:03:48 | scanline | 98MB download :-/ |
| 06:04:04 | scanline | want me to DCC it to you? probably faster than all those download sites |
| 06:04:22 | hikke | Hmm |
| 06:05:35 | hikke | Could you DCC it to hikke_ ? |
| 06:05:40 | scanline | sure |
| 06:06:08 | hikke | Windows version. |
| 06:06:16 | scanline | oh. I didn't download the windows version |
| 06:06:46 | hikke | Too bad, then I dl it from some of those mirrors.. |
| 06:06:53 | scanline | k |
| 06:07:21 | hikke | Too bad, no finnish mirror-sites. |
| 06:09:48 | hikke | Hmm, 50kB/s from germany. |
| 06:11:52 | viking667 | ...sorry about that delay... was doing something in 6-space |
| 06:12:29 | viking667 | Erm - how do I access the new textbox object? It's not in main CVS, and I don't know how to access "branches" |
| 06:12:44 | scanline | cvs update -r textbox_branch |
| 06:13:03 | scanline | it's still not usable yet |
| 06:13:12 | viking667 | Ah. |
| 06:13:22 | viking667 | ...then I'll leave it alone for now. |
| 06:13:23 | scanline | when it's usable, it will be merged to the main branch :) |
| 06:13:50 | viking667 | Any more work being done on clickable links in atomic? |
| 06:13:55 | scanline | queues up some good coding music and decides to tackle vertical cursor movement |
| 06:14:15 | scanline | viking667: 90% of the code that was running atomic navigator has been scrapped, so first I'd need to get back to the level of HTML support that it had |
| 06:14:25 | viking667 | errr, what time IS it where you are, scanline? |
| 06:14:29 | viking667 | oh. |
| 06:14:32 | scanline | viking667: it's definitely planned, just farther down on the queue |
| 06:14:37 | scanline | 1:20 AM here |
| 06:14:46 | hikke | Hmm, someone really should write cli_php and mod_picogui for php.. |
| 06:14:51 | scanline | hehe |
| 06:14:55 | viking667 | yuh? You not married, or something? 8-) |
| 06:15:06 | scanline | viking667: 18 year old college student |
| 06:17:08 | viking667 | <grin> |
| 06:17:12 | viking667 | NOW I see... |
| 06:17:26 | scanline | I started picogui my 3rd year in high school |
| 06:17:39 | scanline | so... about 2.5 years ago |
| 06:19:04 | viking667 | Hm. And I'm ... 35, so that was when I was ... hrm, 32? |
| 06:19:14 | viking667 | yuh - 32 |
| 06:19:19 | scanline | March 2000 I think |
| 06:19:25 | scanline | checks |
| 06:19:54 | scanline | March 17, 2000 |
| 06:20:00 | viking667 | mrmmm hmmm. |
| 06:20:17 | viking667 | <Arnie> I'll be back </arnie> |
| 06:29:29 | hikke | Hmm, picogui in php should be so hard to program even, almost same as cli_c, but forget about the variable types and code compling :) |
| 06:29:54 | hikke | Hmm, compling isn't a word at all... |
| 06:30:00 | hikke | dunno.. |
| 06:30:29 | viking667 | You know what - is there a way I can start a "process" and have it call up pgserver? Or is that not the idea? |
| 06:31:59 | scanline | that's how it usually works... you start a client process, it connects to the pgserver with a socket |
| 06:33:45 | viking667 | I'm thinking more..as the process starts, it checks to see if pgserver is running, if not, then it executes a pgserver? |
| 06:34:44 | viking667 | ...or else it just draws on the framebuffer or on an x window? |
| 06:35:55 | scanline | um... I suppose that could be a client library feature, to run a pgserver if it can't find one. but that's rather backwards |
| 06:36:03 | viking667 | mmm. |
| 06:36:06 | scanline | pgserver should start a client, that acts as a session manager for other clients |
| 06:36:19 | viking667 | That's how it works currently |
| 06:36:23 | scanline | yes |
| 06:36:36 | viking667 | Incidentally, picosm doesn't work for me... |
| 06:36:44 | scanline | that's because it isnt' done |
| 06:36:45 | viking667 | Don't know why... |
| 06:36:59 | scanline | just because something doesn't work doesn't mean it needs to be redesigned... |
| 06:40:57 | viking667 | I'm not asking for it to be redesigned - just it'd be nice to get it working. |
| 06:42:05 | scanline | the proper way to get it working is to fix pgl and picosm. starting pgserver from apps would just turn into a mess |
| 06:42:11 | viking667 | Currently, I put in a username, put in a password, and get rejected |
| 06:42:14 | scanline | 1. apps would then need to know how to start pgserver |
| 06:42:43 | scanline | 2. if the app couldn't contact pgserver for some reason (environemnt var wrong or something) it could start a second one, which could confuse drivers |
| 06:43:00 | viking667 | mmmm...true. |
| 06:43:00 | scanline | viking667: try running it as root, it needs access to the password database |
| 06:43:45 | viking667 | Actually, how on earth did you get a second pgserver running inside a first? I get the concept of a server-id, but I can't quite remember how it's done |
| 06:44:42 | scanline | "pgserver --display=1" for example |
| 06:44:51 | viking667 | scanline: ....ahhh.... that'd make sense... heh heh |
| 06:45:03 | viking667 | -display=1 - yuh - cool... |
| 06:45:09 | viking667 | I'll try that out... |
| 06:45:10 | scanline | I ran pgserver with a different display number, with the sdlfb driver, and with the SDL_VIDEODRIVER environment var set to "picogui" |
| 06:46:00 | viking667 | err....SDL_VIDEODRIVER? I'll have to make another look again at README.configfile |
| 06:46:20 | scanline | that's not a picogui option, it's a SDL option |
| 06:48:19 | viking667 | Erm. That's not one I've seen - but then I've never done much with SDL |
| 06:48:28 | viking667 | Okay - I'll give it a try - heh heh |
| 06:55:20 | viking667 | hm. I got "Error initialising video" |
| 06:55:31 | scanline | what version of SDL do you have? |
| 06:55:53 | viking667 | 1.2, I think... hang on, I'll go check |
| 06:55:59 | scanline | you need the latest CVS |
| 06:56:39 | viking667 | Yup - I've got 1.2 |
| 06:56:43 | viking667 | from Mandrake... |
| 06:56:50 | scanline | yeah.. need newer SDL |
| 06:56:56 | viking667 | How come I need the "latest" cvs? of SDL? |
| 06:57:13 | scanline | because you need a patch I submitted to it for picogui support |
| 06:57:18 | viking667 | ah. |
| 06:57:34 | viking667 | ...that was on the web page... |
| 06:57:36 | scanline | lets you run SDL apps inside picogui |
| 06:57:45 | scanline | it's integrated into SDL CVS now, so you don't need to get the patch separately |
| 06:57:59 | viking667 | hm. |
| 06:58:32 | viking667 | thinks about checking Cooker |
| 06:59:15 | scanline | you have to compile it from source |
| 06:59:35 | scanline | I really doubt mandrake passed the --enable-picogui switch to ./configure when they made their package |
| 07:00:13 | scanline | the change got into SDL's CVS on August 1, so you need source at least that recent, compiled with --enable-picogui |
| 07:00:38 | viking667 | scanline: 's okay - remember, I can get the SRPMS and recompile as you specify. |
| 07:00:45 | scanline | mmmkay |
| 07:00:49 | viking667 | ...we are in September, after all... |
| 07:01:19 | viking667 | ...hmmm... now THAT'S strange...I can't get the local mirror... |
| 07:01:24 | scanline | yeah. I need to update that SDL support some... need to center the app in the picogui window if it doesn't resize, and handle YUV overlays and scaling better |
| 07:01:36 | scanline | there's a "REAMDE.picogui" in the SDL source tree |
| 07:04:54 | viking667 | hrm.... sounds maybe like I should steer clear of it? |
| 07:05:39 | scanline | depends on what you want to do... it runs picogui just fine, runs most 2D apps like sdlgnuboy and sdlroids great. Has trouble with most media players still, has no support for OpenGL |
| 07:09:18 | viking667 | I have here a Aug23 date... late enough? |
| 07:09:35 | scanline | sure |
| 07:09:42 | viking667 | mmm. |
| 07:13:21 | viking667 | I'll try the newer RPM, else I'll not worry |
| 07:13:28 | scanline | SRPM? |
| 07:13:37 | viking667 | No - RPM |
| 07:13:41 | scanline | that won't work |
| 07:13:48 | viking667 | To see whether they "enabled" it... |
| 07:14:08 | scanline | I really don't think they did, it would cause libsdl to depend on libpgui |
| 07:16:11 | viking667 | urk... |
| 07:18:30 | viking667 | ...just twitching things now for install... |
| 07:18:49 | viking667 | I might have to get the SRPM if that's the case... |
| 07:19:01 | scanline | why not just get source from CVS? |
| 07:19:51 | viking667 | because I maintain most of my stuff from RPM where I can...less hassles that way - I can remove it without having to know if there's a "make uninstall" target in the makefile |
| 07:20:01 | scanline | k |
| 07:20:36 | viking667 | I've been caught out by that in the past |
| 07:22:28 | viking667 | *sigh* resolving dependencies... sheesh... |
| 07:24:10 | viking667 | hrm... I just hope I've got enough room to put all this in... |
| 07:24:23 | viking667 | ...one... |
| 07:26:04 | viking667 | yuh - all in... now lets see if it works at all... |
| 07:26:21 | scanline | already compiled with --enable-picogui? |
| 07:27:20 | viking667 | Dunno yet - I'm about to find out... |
| 07:27:34 | viking667 | What's a symbolname in picogui I could search for? |
| 07:28:01 | scanline | you mean in the C client lib (libpgui.so)? |
| 07:28:27 | viking667 | whichever SDL is going to need... |
| 07:28:30 | scanline | oh |
| 07:28:39 | scanline | just grep it for "picogui" |
| 07:30:19 | viking667 | hm. Guess I'm going to need the SRPM after all 8-( |
| 07:30:42 | viking667 | Darn - that means I ned to put something else on ice while I compile a new RPM |
| 07:35:26 | viking667 | *sigh* |
| 07:37:17 | viking667 | Well, thanks - I've been following the CVS commits - noticed you'd re-modified pgserver/README.configfile |
| 07:37:44 | viking667 | Thanks for that... |
| 07:38:05 | viking667 | Bye all... |
| 07:50:30 | Xentac | is back (gone 04:17:37) |
| 07:52:15 | Xentac | lacks too much confidence |
| 08:05:08 | scanline | is away: sleepytime |
| 08:05:15 | Xentac | night scanline |
| 08:06:48 | hikke | gnight.. |
| 08:19:50 | Xentac | is away: sleep |
| 09:47:21 | jimlay | ?? log |
| 09:47:28 | jimlay | do we have a log here? |
| 10:18:42 | hikke | check http://picogui.org/ |
| 10:24:59 | jimlay | yeah I found it. thnx |
| 11:09:09 | hikke | Hmm |
| 11:20:11 | carpman | good morning |
| 11:33:03 | | PicoBot: recurse |
| 11:33:03 | gonkulator | ibot: recurse |
| 11:33:34 | gonkulator | PicoBot: seen ibot |
| 11:33:35 | PicoBot | ibot was last seen on #openzaurus 1 days, 14 hours, 52 minutes and 17 seconds ago, saying: rumour has it openzaurus is a Community version of the operating environment for the Sharp Zaurus SL-5x00[d] PDA. See http://openzaurus.sf.net/. or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ or see http://telia.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/openzaurus/FAQ [Thu Sep 12 15:47:33 2002] |
| 11:33:55 | | PicoBot was last seen on #picogui 4 days, 13 hours, 32 minutes and 29 seconds ago, saying: OK, scanline [Mon Sep 9 23:01:26 2002] |
| 11:33:55 | gonkulator | ibot: seen PicoBot |
| 11:34:47 | gonkulator | thinks someone configured PicoBot and ibot correctly |
| 11:35:08 | hikke | heh |
| 11:36:04 | gonkulator | PicoBot: recurse |
| 11:36:05 | PicoBot | ibot: recurse |
| 11:36:20 | gonkulator | they can't see eachother :) |
| 11:36:27 | gonkulator | hikke: I think it is kinda funny too |
| 11:36:47 | hikke | Yeah |
| 11:37:14 | gonkulator | oh well... |
| 11:37:16 | gonkulator | no big deal |
| 11:38:58 | carpman | hi gonkulator |
| 11:44:55 | file | is back |
| 11:47:32 | carpman | hail file |
| 11:49:30 | file | bows |
| 11:49:36 | file | my ADSL is still not operational |
| 11:50:16 | file | I should call and ask if the work order was rejected yet |
| 11:50:23 | carpman | Make them PAY for their insolence! |
| 11:50:52 | file | I am :) |
| 11:51:14 | file | I'm going to get a credit for the extra time on my dialup account which they cancelled before my ADSL was up and running |
| 11:51:58 | carpman | when you get ADSL, you can play UT... |
| 11:52:09 | carpman | We can have a Guild frag session. |
| 11:52:27 | file | I don't have UT... |
| 11:52:43 | file | and I doubt my system can run it :( |
| 11:52:50 | carpman | file: navi + UC's pipe + file's ADSL = ut.iso |
| 11:52:56 | carpman | file: how fast be it? |
| 11:53:20 | file | 1.4mbps download |
| 11:53:27 | carpman | no, your machine |
| 11:53:27 | file | and I don't have a CD burner |
| 11:53:45 | file | droid is a 133MHz 486 which performs as a P75, and aramius is a 133MHz Pentium |
| 11:54:15 | carpman | hmmm.. those aren't fast enough |
| 11:54:22 | file | exactly |
| 11:54:27 | file | I can play Doom though! :p |
| 11:54:28 | carpman | BUT! |
| 11:54:45 | carpman | is there a 3d card in aramius? |
| 11:54:54 | file | aramius is my laptop :p |
| 11:55:03 | carpman | oh, 3d accell? |
| 11:55:09 | file | shrugs |
| 11:55:19 | file | unknown |
| 11:55:23 | carpman | FINE! We can play prboom! |
| 11:55:29 | file | :) |
| 11:55:46 | carpman | I'll play from my zaurus >:) |
| 11:55:47 | file | once my ADSL is up darn it! |
| 11:56:11 | file | goes to try it |
| 11:56:47 | file | no ADSL signal is present |
| 11:58:49 | file | "Hello, I was wondering if you could tell me if the work order on ym account has been rejected yet. "One moment..." "Hmmm, yes sir" "and your going to reschedule that to Monday?" "Yes sir" "How many times have I heard that before?" |
| 11:58:53 | file | er my |
| 11:59:29 | carpman | tell them the Guild DEMANDS the immediate installation of the ADSL line! |
| 11:59:45 | file | "who or what is the Guild?" |
| 11:59:57 | file | "screw you!" |
| 12:00:05 | file | ::hangs up:: |
| 12:00:28 | carpman | WHAT?!?!?!? You know not of the Guild you sniveling desk monkey? Prepare to face my minions! |
| 12:00:35 | file | haha |
| 12:01:34 | file | carpman: I hate to say it, but we had to sell the minions to support scanline's cravings for vanilla coke |
| 12:02:36 | file | wonders if carpman is going nuts |
| 12:03:07 | carpman | file: no we didn't, those were scanline's minions. |
| 12:03:11 | carpman | I have my own minions |
| 12:03:17 | file | ahhhh ic |
| 12:03:30 | file | wonders what those things in the corner were... |
| 12:03:40 | file | carpman: you got those at a discount store didn't you? |
| 12:03:49 | file | woders = wondered |
| 12:03:52 | file | er wonders |
| 12:04:03 | file | cries as his bandwidth isn't suitable to see what he's typing realtime |
| 12:05:52 | gonkulator | wants minions |
| 12:06:20 | file | doesn't |
| 12:06:28 | file | too much $$$ to maintain them |
| 12:06:31 | gonkulator | pokes carpman |
| 12:09:45 | file | pokes gonkulator |
| 12:09:51 | gonkulator | whats up file |
| 12:10:21 | file | my hate for NBTel |
| 12:10:23 | file | I WANT MY ADSL! |
| 12:10:28 | file | but thankfully they work today :) |
| 12:10:56 | gonkulator | yep |
| 12:10:57 | gonkulator | cool |
| 12:11:07 | gonkulator | is hopeful that file won't have to wait as long as he did |
| 12:11:29 | file | I doubt I will :) |
| 12:11:53 | gonkulator | nobody should have to wait as long as I did :p |
| 12:12:01 | file | why did you have to wait so long? |
| 12:12:26 | gonkulator | because Earthlink had a pipeline bubble with me in the pipeline |
| 12:12:34 | gonkulator | and I kinda got dumped with the rest of the bad bits |
| 12:12:35 | file | hehe |
| 12:13:52 | file | ADSL DARN IT! |
| 12:14:17 | gonkulator | notes that file is lusting again |
| 12:14:51 | file | better to have loved, than to have lust |
| 12:15:09 | gonkulator | cheers for file's pun |
| 12:15:29 | file | :) |
| 12:16:13 | file | PicoBot: file is also anxious to get his ADSL |
| 12:16:14 | PicoBot | okay, file. |
| 12:16:20 | file | PicoBot: file? |
| 12:16:20 | PicoBot | File type identification utility. URL: ftp://ftp.astron.com/pub/file/ or very pokeful or anxious to get his ADSL |
| 12:17:15 | file | I gotta go |
| 12:17:16 | file | bbl |
| 12:20:06 | gonkulator | ok |
| 12:20:10 | gonkulator | PicoBot: whats up? |
| 12:20:10 | PicoBot | up is the direction opposite to the force of gravity |
| 13:14:16 | file | I HAVE ADSL! |
| 13:14:43 | hikke | Yay! |
| 13:15:00 | gonkulator | file: nifty!!!! |
| 13:15:03 | gonkulator | cheers for file |
| 13:15:26 | gonkulator | does a ping -f to file to celebrate |
| 13:15:32 | gonkulator | oh well |
| 13:15:40 | gonkulator | is away: on my way to durango |
| 13:16:07 | gonkulator | If anyone needs to contact me, my email address is lottabs2@yahoo.com. I'll check it frequently. |
| 13:16:22 | file | cheers |
| 13:18:14 | carpman | yay for file! |
| 13:18:22 | file | I need to test my bandwidth |
| 13:19:57 | file | a 1mb file was 16 seconds |
| 13:54:30 | hikke_ | Hi! |
| 13:54:45 | carpman | hi hikke |
| 13:55:38 | hikke_ | Hmm, does picogui have some imageview-app? |
| 14:01:23 | carpman | imgview |
| 14:01:28 | carpman | its in cvs |
| 14:03:08 | file | is confused |
| 14:03:28 | file | I can't access the net on droid, but over the wireless and proxy service on aramius I can |
| 14:04:12 | file | ok I have an idea |
| 14:04:14 | file | mmm |
| 14:05:41 | file | bbl |
| 14:47:41 | file | damn it |
| 16:55:58 | quarkquasar | PicoBot: check irc |
| 16:55:58 | PicoBot | quarkquasar: what? |
| 16:56:11 | quarkquasar | damn |
| 16:56:19 | quarkquasar | stupid PicoBot |
| 16:56:51 | quarkquasar | anyway... |
| 16:57:02 | quarkquasar | so what's up here |
| 16:57:05 | quarkquasar | so what's up here? |
| 16:59:01 | quarkquasar | hmmm... everybody's gone, guess i better check out #debian |
| 16:59:27 | quarkquasar | is away, talking on #debian |
| 17:27:52 | quarkquasar | is baaaack |
| 17:28:12 | quarkquasar | nobody else seems to be |
| 17:29:37 | quarkquasar | void irc (arrrrrgv*, int*, char) { |
| 17:29:48 | quarkquasar | well then seeya |
| 18:18:46 | Xentac | is back (gone 09:58:55) |
| 18:20:26 | prpplague | Xentac: back from seeing your parole officer? |
| 18:20:46 | Xentac | prpplague: no... back from sleeping... |
| 18:21:02 | Xentac | went out to a club last night expecting to dance and stuff... but didn't |
| 18:21:13 | Speedy2 | Hey Xentac. |
| 18:21:27 | Xentac | hey Speedy2 |
| 18:22:08 | Speedy2 | How's the Z? |
| 18:22:21 | Xentac | pretty good |
| 18:22:26 | Xentac | runs well, I have most of the kinks out of it |
| 18:22:32 | Speedy2 | Cool |
| 18:22:39 | Xentac | I can run qtopia-x on it now... as well as fbvncserver |
| 18:22:40 | Xentac | ;o) |
| 18:22:40 | Speedy2 | I'd be interested to hear about your experiences |
| 18:22:45 | Xentac | so I can run X apps, and vnc into it |
| 18:23:05 | prpplague | Xentac: cool how well does the qtopia-x work? |
| 18:23:46 | prpplague | Xentac: i've been running plain old x on mine for about 8 weeks now |
| 18:24:12 | Xentac | it runs a vnc server... which does X.. and you connect to it with keypebble |
| 18:25:53 | Speedy2 | Xentac: Have you tried GPS Drive yet? |
| 18:25:59 | Speedy2 | There's an iPaq version which I would think would work on Z. |
| 18:26:10 | Xentac | GPS Drive...? |
| 18:26:16 | Xentac | doesn't have a GPS... |
| 18:26:23 | Xentac | but if you wanted to donate one to me, I would love that |
| 18:26:24 | Xentac | ;o) |
| 18:26:41 | Speedy2 | See if it runs, that's all :) |
| 18:27:43 | kergoth | prpplague: add your X targets to the oz buildroot cvs... :-P |
| 18:28:29 | Speedy2 | Well howdy kergoth |
| 18:28:37 | kergoth | hey Speedy2 |
| 18:28:37 | scanline | is back (gone 10:23:53) |
| 18:28:41 | scanline | qtopia-x?? |
| 18:28:42 | kergoth | hey scanline |
| 18:28:46 | scanline | heya kergoth |
| 18:28:50 | kergoth | scanline: qtopia-x = Xvnc for the z |
| 18:28:54 | Xentac | scanline: yeah.. it's on ipkgfind |
| 18:28:59 | Xentac | notes that it works quite well actually |
| 18:29:03 | scanline | kergoth: oh |
| 18:29:06 | kergoth | scanline: usually used to use a qtopia vnc client to connect to it locally |
| 18:29:12 | scanline | sounds like it would be slow... |
| 18:29:22 | kergoth | well, its using localhost |
| 18:29:22 | Xentac | tried to use the native ipkgfind X packages... but he ran into a problem... the touchpad is differently configured on the ipaq |
| 18:29:27 | kergoth | i doubt it'd be that bad |
| 18:29:29 | Xentac | it's actually semi-fast |
| 18:29:32 | Xentac | but it's small ;o) |
| 18:29:39 | Xentac | played xboard over ics on it |
| 18:29:45 | Xentac | there was nothing wrong with the speed there |
| 18:29:45 | scanline | interesting |
| 18:29:48 | prpplague | kergoth: ya i plan to, i've just been recomperating from the bahamas trip |
| 18:30:10 | prpplague | kergoth: will start back tomorow evening |
| 18:30:14 | kergoth | prpplague: yeah dont blame ya .. people are anxious though, even in a broken state at least they'd have something to play with |
| 18:30:19 | kergoth | prpplague: okay, cool. keep me posted |
| 18:30:34 | prpplague | kergoth: ya those darn ibmpos really sucked the life out of me |
| 18:31:02 | prpplague | kergoth: i'll make an effort to get them checked in soon, guess i need to start back tonight |
| 18:34:22 | lalo[out] | scanline: ayt? |
| 18:34:34 | prpplague | Xentac: i have a fifo app for the touch screen translation |
| 18:34:36 | scanline | lalo[out]: yep |
| 18:34:41 | Xentac | nods. |
| 18:35:06 | lalo[out] | I think maybe vr3ts is *not* broken |
| 18:35:18 | scanline | hmm |
| 18:35:24 | lalo[out] | I telnetted in and manualy ran tpcal and it works |
| 18:35:41 | lalo[out] | but after that I remain unable to use the tp |
| 18:36:06 | scanline | ah, so it just didn't calibrate? |
| 18:36:12 | prpplague | Xentac: the only thing i'm really lacking on the x build is controling the frontlight |
| 18:36:37 | scanline | lalo[out]: tpcal bypasses the if_touchscreen input filter to do calibration, then at the end sends if_touchscreen a new calibration string |
| 18:36:45 | jimlay | i can draw rectangles @ 1600x1200 hw accelerated w/o X. |
| 18:36:57 | jimlay | muy muy coolo! |
| 18:37:00 | scanline | jimlay: yay! |
| 18:37:11 | scanline | jimlay: how hard was it to pull that off? |
| 18:37:12 | Xentac | prpplague: ipkgfind has a utility in the X package I believe that's called 'bl' |
| 18:37:16 | jimlay | badnews: they don't show up till my program exits. |
| 18:37:29 | scanline | hehe |
| 18:37:33 | jimlay | Not hard, a diff to the XFree86 tree would be < 1k. |
| 18:37:35 | jimlay | but not usefull. |
| 18:38:27 | prpplague | Xentac: unless its something new, it doesn't work currently with the z |
| 18:38:31 | jimlay | I'm still calling ./XFree86 I haven't written a linkable module yet, and I haven't actually figured out how the whole thing builds. |
| 18:38:50 | prpplague | Xentac: you talking about the ipkgs for the ipaq? |
| 18:38:52 | Xentac | nods, could be |
| 18:38:54 | lalo[out] | also, if I try to run tpcal from my pgsession, the vr3 returns to text mode after tpcal finishes, no idea why |
| 18:38:55 | Xentac | prpplague: correct |
| 18:39:03 | Xentac | ipkgfind is all for the ipaq... |
| 18:39:15 | prpplague | Xentac: ya, the ipaq uses a different set of commands for the bl |
| 18:39:17 | Xentac | but if the program is mostly hardware independant |
| 18:39:19 | lalo[out] | this doesn't happen if I run it from telnet |
| 18:39:25 | Xentac | or the hardware is the same... then you're fine |
| 18:39:29 | scanline | lalo[out]: I'll take another look at the vr3ts source to see if there's something obviously wrong with it |
| 18:39:32 | prpplague | Xentac: true |
| 18:39:58 | prpplague | Xentac: i've got the source for bl, and i had started hacking it up before my trip |
| 18:40:26 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Woah, that Toshiba LCD I have apparently sells for $700USD |
| 18:40:40 | Xentac | prpplague: cool |
| 18:40:53 | jimlay | how intertwined is the window managing code in pgui? How much work would it be to make it so the windows could be moved all around? |
| 18:41:38 | jimlay | that gecko, and xfrankenstine, and you'd have a 100k users. ;) |
| 18:41:41 | prpplague | Xentac: but, i've been kinda burnt out and not gotten back to it, like kergoth said, i need to comit my stuff to cvs soon |
| 18:41:43 | scanline | jimlay: it's really modular. The window management right now is encapsulated in the 'panel' and 'popup' widgets, with a little code in appmgr/global.c to create and delete apps |
| 18:41:54 | scanline | yummmm |
| 18:42:05 | scanline | jimlay: problem is that picogui's rendering engine isn't designed for overlapping |
| 18:42:05 | jimlay | alla peanut butter sandwitch. |
| 18:42:17 | scanline | jimlay: so you'd need something else to manage layers, like DirectFB or OpenGL |
| 18:42:33 | jimlay | I have layers. they are part of the server. |
| 18:42:55 | jimlay | Actually windows, because modern hardware has hw accelerated windowing functions to handle clipping and stuff. |
| 18:43:01 | scanline | oh |
| 18:43:01 | scanline | cool |
| 18:43:38 | jimlay | So that if a prgram tries to draw outside the window, the video card just doesn't do it, and the windowing system doesn't burn cpu trying to clip lines and stuff. |
| 18:43:47 | jimlay | so I can't take that code out. |
| 18:44:30 | jimlay | .. but I can't figure out why changes to the framebuffer dont' happen till after my program exits.. |
| 18:44:33 | scanline | jimlay: we'd still need a "rootless" mode in pgserver where each top-level widget gets its own divtree and video driver parameters |
| 18:44:36 | jimlay | and that's a drag. |
| 18:44:56 | scanline | jimlay: but that's something I've wanted to implement for a while, and would benefit many other circumstances |
| 18:45:04 | jimlay | divtree? |
| 18:45:10 | scanline | picogui's layout structure |
| 18:45:58 | Xentac | prpplague: being burned out sucks. |
| 18:46:13 | jimlay | mabie you dont' even need a new windowing motion structure. |
| 18:46:34 | jimlay | Some good keybindings for the one there now, would be really cool. You get way better desktop useage. |
| 18:46:53 | jimlay | the windows all line up and you are allways using 100% w/o having to be picky about your layout. |
| 18:47:01 | scanline | that, and it would need a sane way to rearrange windows |
| 18:48:35 | scanline | lalo[out]: vr3ts looks correct to me |
| 18:48:45 | prpplague | Xentac: that it does |
| 18:48:50 | jimlay | true, rotate, move it's so greate. But WIN-[fbnp] move things around, [rc] clockwise, counter clockwise, |
| 18:49:04 | Xentac | knows the feeling... but lately he's been rejuvinating (sp) enough |
| 18:49:05 | lalo[out] | yeah, to me too :-) |
| 18:49:08 | jimlay | a true emacsian windowing environment. Hackers only. |
| 18:49:14 | scanline | :) |
| 18:49:52 | prpplague | Xentac: well, i'm working a prescripition of the 3B's, beer/butt/bed, lol |
| 18:50:03 | scanline | jimlay: what i'd like to do is have a windowing system where you have 'frames' separate from the apps themselves. you could split, recombine, and resize the frames. Then the frame would have a menu to select which app is running in it |
| 18:50:18 | scanline | jimlay: it would be a lot like ion |
| 18:50:32 | scanline | I'd love to have a system like that for my desktop |
| 18:50:33 | Xentac | prpplague: hehehe, that sounds about right ;o) |
| 18:51:23 | lalo[out] | it works! |
| 18:51:29 | scanline | :D |
| 18:51:36 | scanline | what was wrong? |
| 18:51:41 | lalo[out] | now I just have to find a way to automate this setup |
| 18:51:56 | lalo[out] | what was wrong is, I didn't know about the changes to the calibration engine |
| 18:52:05 | scanline | ahh |
| 18:52:08 | scanline | that would do it |
| 18:52:09 | lalo[out] | btw, is the calibration data saved anywhere? |
| 18:52:21 | scanline | yes, by default it's in /etc/pointercal but that's a config parameter |
| 18:52:44 | scanline | there's also a config parameter to pgserver so it can run tpcal automatically if the calibration data can't be loaded |
| 18:52:54 | lalo[out] | so, I need to get rid of the agenda tpcal and install the picogui version, and arrange for it to run |
| 18:53:04 | lalo[out] | oh, that's exactly what I need :-D |
| 18:53:18 | prpplague | lalo[out]: you running pico on a vr3? |
| 18:53:38 | scanline | lalo[out]: silly me, I must have forgot to document these config options :) |
| 18:53:42 | lalo[out] | tpcal is still dumping me to text mode if I run it from pgsession |
| 18:53:47 | lalo[out] | prpplague: yes |
| 18:53:58 | lalo[out] | scanline: just tell me now ;-) |
| 18:54:11 | scanline | looks up the names |
| 18:54:13 | prpplague | lalo[out]: didn't i see something about a new round of vr3 production? |
| 18:54:13 | Xentac | can't seem to get his Qtopia app to work quite right... it sucks... |
| 18:54:27 | prpplague | Xentac: qtopia sucks period |
| 18:54:33 | scanline | lalo[out]: the command it runs to calibrate is 'tpcal' in the [pgserver] section |
| 18:54:39 | prpplague | Xentac: from a programming aspect |
| 18:54:40 | Xentac | prpplague: true enough... but it's the defacto standard |
| 18:54:59 | Xentac | prpplague: really? not just because "it's bloated", or "it's not totally open source", or... |
| 18:55:03 | prpplague | Xentac: ya thats what bothers me |
| 18:55:06 | lalo[out] | prpplague: yes. http://www.softfield.com/ |
| 18:55:14 | lalo[out] | cheaper than before also |
| 18:55:20 | scanline | lalo[out]: the name of the calibration file is 'pointercal' also in [pgserver] |
| 18:55:33 | Xentac | has done GTK programming... and he was able to figure that stuff out decently... |
| 18:55:42 | Xentac | but this Qt/Qtopia stuff... I just can't figure it out ;o) |
| 18:55:55 | scanline | Xentac: picogui's API is really easy to learn IMHO :) |
| 18:56:03 | Xentac | probably so... |
| 18:56:19 | Xentac | but /someone/ won't supply me with picogui binaries for my Zaurus... :P |
| 18:56:31 | prpplague | Xentac: ya i had the same problems i gave up after a week |
| 18:56:42 | Xentac | but... how am I supposed to develop stuff? |
| 18:56:43 | prpplague | Xentac: i much prefer GTK or FLTK |
| 18:56:47 | scanline | Xentac: it's on my todo list right after getting the textbox widget functional |
| 18:56:47 | Xentac | like... what the hell? |
| 18:57:01 | lalo[out] | scanline: if it runs tpcal automatically, where will it look for calth.th? |
| 18:57:04 | scanline | Xentac: if you just want to experiment, install picogui on a desktop and run it with the zaurus skin |
| 18:57:14 | scanline | lalo[out]: hehe.. in the current directort :( |
| 18:57:17 | Xentac | scanline: I can barely do that much... ;o) |
| 18:57:20 | scanline | err, directory |
| 18:57:36 | scanline | lalo[out]: Until that's fixed, I usually use an idiom like "tpcal = cd /path/to/tpcal; ./tpcal" |
| 18:58:08 | scanline | lalo[out]: should be able to fix stuff like that with carpman's appres library when it's done |
| 18:58:14 | lalo[out] | ok |
| 18:58:21 | prpplague | lalo[out]: have you got the ethernet adapter or modem for the vr3? |
| 18:59:12 | lalo[out] | tries |
| 18:59:18 | lalo[out] | prpplague: nope |
| 18:59:27 | lalo[out] | I don't think the modem was ever released |
| 19:00:03 | prpplague | lalo[out]: hmm, its on that url |
| 19:00:11 | Xentac | reads how the mainmenu does tabbing... |
| 19:00:17 | scanline | jams to some Machinae Supremacy |
| 19:00:26 | Xentac | that's weird... |
| 19:00:38 | Xentac | you create a tabbar... which is just a bar of tabs.. |
| 19:00:48 | prpplague | Xentac: why i think scanlinealways listen to that kinda of music |
| 19:01:05 | prpplague | Xentac: lol |
| 19:01:07 | Xentac | then you create the stuff inside... which is "raise()"d when a tab is clicked |
| 19:01:10 | scanline | hehehe |
| 19:01:34 | Xentac | unless you want to create a window that has tabs in it.. because then you can use a tabdialog and all the raising and stuff is handled for you |
| 19:01:59 | prpplague | wants to go home |
| 19:02:29 | prpplague | wants to go to the nudie bar |
| 19:02:36 | Xentac | bets that prpplague mixed some humour in there... but he doesn't quite get the inflectin |
| 19:02:39 | Xentac | er inflection |
| 19:02:43 | lalo[out] | my vr3 works again :-D |
| 19:02:45 | Xentac | hehehe, but I understood the next one |
| 19:02:46 | Xentac | ;o) |
| 19:02:53 | lalo[out] | vr3ts still doesn't, tough :-( |
| 19:02:54 | scanline | yay |
| 19:02:59 | scanline | doh |
| 19:02:59 | lalo[out] | I mean, vr3silk |
| 19:03:06 | scanline | vr3silk? |
| 19:03:18 | scanline | oh yeah... |
| 19:03:35 | scanline | the input filters driver doesn't do silkscreen buttons yet unfortunately |
| 19:03:50 | Xentac | damn... someone wrote a Nessus client for the Z |
| 19:03:57 | scanline | I really should make a if_silkscreen input filter that accepts a table mapping silkscreen locations to keys |
| 19:04:17 | lalo[out] | it doesn't? |
| 19:04:24 | lalo[out] | in that case I'll have to fix it ;-) |
| 19:04:26 | lalo[out] | but not today |
| 19:04:29 | lalo[out] | thanks :-) |
| 19:04:43 | scanline | glad tpcal and vr3ts are working now |
| 19:05:06 | scanline | adds a tally mark to the "things I didn't screw up with input filters" list ;) |
| 19:05:08 | lalo[out] | well, they have been working all this time |
| 19:05:27 | lalo[out] | I just didn't know I had to use it ;-) |
| 19:05:43 | lalo[out] | (actually last time I asked I was told I *couldn't* use the picogui tpcal) |
| 19:05:54 | scanline | ah |
| 19:06:48 | scanline | Any driver under the "Unified Touchscreen Support" subheading in menuconfig uses the picogui tpcal |
| 19:07:16 | scanline | so, looks like the only drivers that don't are ipaq, psion, and the old-style tuxscreen driver |
| 19:07:22 | scanline | I think all those handle calibration in the kernel |
| 19:07:41 | scanline | psion doesn't even need calibration :) |
| 19:07:56 | Xentac | decides to go and eat breakfast now... |
| 19:08:12 | Xentac | maybe I'll see if there's an xchat ipkg for me to install and run through qtopia-x... |
| 19:08:18 | Xentac | or maybe I'll just run bitchx... |
| 19:08:22 | scanline | Xentac: you know you want xchat-picogui |
| 19:08:30 | scanline | :) |
| 19:08:48 | scanline | Xentac: xchat-picogui compiled for arm is about 150k, and only depends on libpgui |
| 19:08:56 | scanline | that's smaller than zic |
| 19:09:13 | prpplague | scanline: and the z ts doesn't comply with the UTS yet either |
| 19:09:38 | scanline | prpplague: this is in picogui, not the kernel.. so for me it does :) |
| 19:09:49 | prpplague | scanline: ahh |
| 19:09:55 | scanline | prpplague: did they call it UTS in the kernel too? |
| 19:10:01 | scanline | I hope not, that would be confusing... |
| 19:10:19 | prpplague | scanline: no i don't think so |
| 19:10:22 | scanline | k |
| 19:10:38 | prpplague | scanline: i think its just part of the input core |
| 19:11:01 | scanline | this system is working pretty well for me.. the driver collects x, y, pen up/down, and pressure from the kernel, then calls infilter_send_touchscreen() with that |
| 19:11:07 | scanline | the if_touchscreen input filter handles the rest |
| 19:11:11 | Xentac[athena] | there we go... things were going a little slowly |
| 19:11:34 | prpplague | scanline: i've got to study more of the ts support |
| 19:11:39 | Xentac[athena] | notes that he's probably not going to say much... too hard to type ;) |
| 19:11:47 | prpplague | scanline: this OZ-X build has been very educational |
| 19:11:52 | scanline | prpplague: cool |
| 19:12:08 | lalo[out] | goes out again |
| 19:12:17 | scanline | bye lalo[out] |
| 19:12:23 | lalo[out] | bye and thanks again! |
| 19:12:32 | scanline | no problem |
| 19:12:32 | lalo[out] | now we watch Shaolin Soccer ;-) |
| 19:12:41 | scanline | have fun |
| 19:12:53 | prpplague | scanline: of course alot of credit goes to kergoth for having a millions tons of patience |
| 19:13:04 | scanline | prpplague: a touchscreen driver for picogui is like 40 lines of code :) |
| 19:13:11 | prpplague | scanline: nice |
| 19:13:54 | prpplague | argh, my ansi c book is missing |
| 19:14:53 | Xentac[athena] | ponders getting a gps... anyone have one they want to "dontate" |
| 19:17:02 | prpplague | will donate one if Xentac[athena] takes this call from a woman who keeps turn off her monitor thinking she is turning of the computer |
| 19:17:29 | Xentac[athena] | hehehe |
| 19:17:52 | prpplague | 's schedule - http://www.chicagocircle.com/links/my_schedule.html |
| 19:17:58 | Xentac[athena] | has done tech support before... he could probably do it once more |
| 19:18:22 | Xentac[athena] | can't take links from here... it's a zaurus |
| 19:18:52 | prpplague | Xentac[athena]: its a joke url anyway |
| 19:19:01 | Xentac[athena] | ah, ok |
| 19:19:30 | Xentac[athena] | nots that ebay and konqurer don't play nice |
| 19:19:44 | prpplague | ok guys, got a question....., what was the most difficult concept in c programming for you to conquer |
| 19:20:19 | Xentac[athena] | hmmmm I think pointer sizes... |
| 19:20:56 | kergoth | hrm. i cant think of anything that rereading k&r over and over didnt solve |
| 19:21:00 | kergoth | ;-) |
| 19:21:11 | Xentac[athena] | you know how sometimes pointers give back bytes, others ints, etc |
| 19:21:29 | prpplague | kergoth: ya ya we know your a guru |
| 19:21:44 | kergoth | bah |
| 19:21:48 | kergoth | guru my ass |
| 19:22:01 | Xentac[athena] | kergoth: hey... have any problems with the newest konqueror-snapshots? |
| 19:22:05 | kergoth | nope |
| 19:22:19 | kergoth | though mine didnt have an icon last time i installed it |
| 19:22:21 | kergoth | that was odd |
| 19:23:02 | Xentac[athena] | is beginning to think that kergoth just supplies the packages and doesn't actually use a Z ;) |
| 19:23:08 | kergoth | hah |
| 19:23:20 | prpplague | my problem is i started with basic in the early eighties, so some of the object orient concepts give me trouble |
| 19:23:48 | prpplague | Xentac[athena]: kergoth just uses his Z's backlight as a flash light , lol |
| 19:23:55 | kergoth | i have the same problem, started with basic |
| 19:24:02 | Xentac[athena] | yeah... I have a feeling is that the icon konqueror has the same name as the directory konqueror (in the pics directory) |
| 19:24:11 | kergoth | Xentac[athena]: thats not a problem |
| 19:24:51 | Xentac[athena] | kergotrh: really? cause I renamed the pic to konq.png and I use that icon fine |
| 19:25:05 | prpplague | kergoth: k&r does have some great example code |
| 19:26:53 | kergoth | prpplague: that book is so amazingly concise |
| 19:26:57 | kergoth | prpplague: it never ceases to amaze me |
| 19:26:59 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:27:06 | prpplague | kergoth: hey do you have access to info on digifax? |
| 19:27:23 | kergoth | yeah, we've got som einfo around |
| 19:27:34 | Xentac | returns to his desktop |
| 19:27:38 | kergoth | we still have some old as dirt telnet bbs internally with *old* fucking information |
| 19:28:19 | prpplague | kergoth: who is a good contact to talk to about digifax? we still have lots of customers using digifax on sco boxes, but something is broke on SCO5.06 |
| 19:29:07 | kergoth | prpplague: hrm, not sure. its technically not supported of course, but we only have like one guy in support who was even working for digi when it was in use, and thats Bruce Biermann |
| 19:31:20 | prpplague | kergoth: i think our managment is interested in get source |
| 19:37:27 | prpplague | takes his book bag and runs for the exit |
| 19:37:32 | prpplague | bbl |
| 19:39:47 | scanline | WOPN is streaming with MysticOne in a few hours! |
| 19:39:56 | Xentac | hehehe |
| 19:40:18 | Xentac | doesn't think he'll be able to find a GPS for less than $100 CDN |
| 19:44:18 | Xentac | I could buy a CF GPS... but that wouldn't help me warwalk/drive |
| 19:45:35 | Xentac | scanline: hey... I've got oggs of the Belt stuff |
| 19:45:53 | Xentac | we could run Xentac Radio again so that I could play them... ;o) |
| 19:46:27 | scanline | hehe |
| 19:53:11 | Xentac | geez... the one I'd like to get is one that costs $399 CDN... |
| 19:53:16 | file | mmm |
| 19:53:21 | Xentac | even the cheapo one (not off of ebay) is $195 |
| 19:53:24 | file | wonders why this software won't work for some odd reason |
| 19:53:52 | file | ADSL is nice |
| 19:54:14 | scanline | got it yet? |
| 19:54:32 | file | got what? |
| 19:54:36 | file | my ADSL? yes |
| 19:54:46 | file | but the software, now that's a different story |
| 19:56:41 | file | mmm |
| 19:56:50 | file | ok this software I think has installed correctly this time |
| 19:59:35 | file | brb |
| 20:23:44 | Xentac | never realized how much forearm muscle he had... |
| 20:50:05 | Silme | Hey everyone, anyone here? |
| 20:50:26 | scanline | yep |
| 20:50:40 | Xentac | is. |
| 20:50:47 | Silme | used to be darth balls |
| 20:50:54 | Xentac | noticed. |
| 20:50:59 | scanline | as well |
| 20:51:01 | Xentac | --> Silme (~darth_bal@resnet378.fortlewis.edu) has joined #picogui |
| 20:51:03 | Xentac | hehehe |
| 20:51:22 | Silme | ah, I see |
| 20:51:25 | scanline | oh.. I'm dyslexic or something |
| 20:51:29 | scanline | read Silme as "Slime" |
| 20:51:31 | Silme | how come it still thinks I'm darth balls? |
| 20:51:43 | Silme | hehe, no silme is my old D&D characters name |
| 20:51:51 | scanline | Silme: your nick is Silme, but your username is "darth_bal" |
| 20:52:08 | Silme | according to Tolkein Silme means 'star light' |
| 20:52:19 | Silme | kinda fruity, but good for a bard I thought ^_^ |
| 20:52:20 | scanline | spiffy |
| 20:52:54 | Silme | anyway, scanline, do you know when gonkulator left for Durango? |
| 20:53:15 | scanline | dunno |
| 20:53:21 | Silme | oh well |
| 20:53:29 | scanline | he said early today |
| 20:53:36 | scanline | I'm not sure when he actually left though |
| 21:00:38 | Silme | hmm, hope he isn't lost or something... do you know if he or kathy has a cell? |
| 21:01:12 | scanline | AFAIK he doesn't have a cell, I dunno about kathy |
| 21:01:50 | Xentac | can't remember the last time he updated his server... |
| 21:02:19 | Xentac | looks like pretty recently... there have only bee security fixes... |
| 21:02:48 | Xentac | really really recently... cause there are actually none of the packages that have security fixes that I need |
| 21:03:07 | Silme | BTW, anyone know how to setup up netscape e-mail on something like entourage or the osx mail.app |
| 21:03:31 | Xentac | nope, sorry |
| 21:03:37 | Xentac | decides he's going to do something today.. |
| 21:03:50 | Xentac | goes away and probably won't come back for a while |
| 21:23:01 | Xentac | damn.. on the 13th someone found a buffer overflow in the purity game... it could let someone alter highscores! |
| 22:06:08 | file | I have an idea! |
| 22:07:43 | jimlay | what is it? |
| 22:08:32 | file | mmm |
| 22:08:42 | file | actually I think... ::thinks:: |
| 22:09:25 | file | with different class addresses = what does that mean? |
| 22:11:48 | scanline | is away: getting food |
| 22:56:14 | scanline | is back (gone 00:44:27) |
| 22:57:09 | file | scanline: BAH |
| 22:57:15 | scanline | heh |
| 22:57:30 | file | what can I do... |
| 22:57:35 | file | hrms at his ISP's software |
| 22:59:06 | file | scanline: I require your assistance |
| 22:59:24 | file | ooh actually I have an idea... |
| 23:00:40 | file | brb |
| 23:15:01 | file | darn it |
| 23:15:08 | file | hi carpman... |
| 23:15:10 | carpman | hi all |
| 23:15:18 | file | continues his attempts to get ADSL working on droid |
| 23:15:18 | carpman | file: hows the bandwidth? |
| 23:15:29 | file | it would be nice - if NBTel's software worked on droid properly |
| 23:15:33 | scanline | carpman: WOPN stream soon |
| 23:15:38 | carpman | ooo.. yay! |
| 23:15:38 | KeyserSoze | just saw a Sharp Zaurus 5500 at Comp USA. |
| 23:15:42 | KeyserSoze | it was cool! |
| 23:15:46 | scanline | :) |
| 23:15:52 | file | how soon? |
| 23:15:54 | carpman | KeyserSoze: very lust inducing, no? :) |
| 23:15:56 | file | can listen in full quality now |
| 23:16:03 | KeyserSoze | yes :p |
| 23:16:13 | KeyserSoze | does it have a terminal app by default? |
| 23:16:24 | carpman | KeyserSoze: no, but its easily installed. |
| 23:16:31 | KeyserSoze | ah, good. |
| 23:17:06 | file | oh ic... |
| 23:17:09 | file | hrms |
| 23:17:09 | KeyserSoze | what do you have to buy to connect serial to it? |
| 23:17:16 | file | if I change my netmask to 255.0.0.0 then it should work |
| 23:17:26 | carpman | KeyserSoze: a serial cable, its a extra thing |
| 23:17:37 | carpman | file: Class C? Why? |
| 23:17:38 | KeyserSoze | i'll check sharp' |
| 23:17:41 | KeyserSoze | s website |
| 23:17:46 | scanline | carpman: class A? |
| 23:17:51 | carpman | scanline: errr, yeah |
| 23:17:53 | file | carpman: it's attempting to use my wireless NIC to access my router... |
| 23:17:55 | carpman | is messed up today |
| 23:18:11 | carpman | file: ah, using the 10.0.0.0 domain localy? |
| 23:18:11 | file | er subnet I meant |
| 23:18:29 | file | so if I force my wired NIC onto a different subnet, it'll force Windows to use it |
| 23:18:30 | file | I think. |
| 23:18:50 | carpman | wait. Droid has 2 interfaces? |
| 23:18:52 | file | yes |
| 23:18:56 | carpman | your sunk |
| 23:19:03 | file | hehe |
| 23:19:08 | carpman | windows 9X pukes with 2 interfaces. |
| 23:19:08 | file | it's got two NICs |
| 23:19:12 | file | HAHAHA |
| 23:19:15 | file | I'm on NT4! |
| 23:19:23 | carpman | same POS :) |
| 23:19:35 | file | not really |
| 23:19:40 | file | the networking for NT4 is different |
| 23:20:02 | carpman | what you want is a route from the wireless nic to the destination router. |
| 23:21:22 | file | changes the subnet and waits for droid to reboot so he can test |
| 23:22:42 | file | ADSL is nice... |
| 23:24:51 | file | brb |
| 23:29:32 | file | still nothing |
| 23:29:34 | file | carpman: still there? |
| 23:32:17 | carpman | file: yes |
| 23:32:22 | carpman | just busy working on lain |
| 23:32:35 | KeyserSoze | what comes with a zaurus? just an AC adapter? |
| 23:32:49 | KeyserSoze | oops, and a docking station. |
| 23:33:04 | KeyserSoze | is the docking station USB? |
| 23:33:25 | KeyserSoze | is going to /join #zaurus |
| 23:34:30 | file | carpman: k |
| 23:34:33 | file | will brb - testing something |
| 23:34:59 | scanline | KeyserSoze: yes, docking station is USB |
| 23:36:58 | carpman | file: stream is up |
| 23:47:25 | file | cries |
| 23:49:37 | carpman | "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson" |
| 23:49:50 | carpman | I'm going to put that in AoF3 as an easter egg. |