| 00:00:31 | carpman | "Hahaha. Sure sucks to be you..." |
| 00:00:37 | carpman | I'm telling you that the kernel is stable not because it's a kernel, but because I refuse to listen to arguments like this. -- Linus Torvalds |
| 00:00:46 | file | thwaps carpman |
| 00:00:49 | scanline | hehe |
| 00:00:52 | file | BROADBAND! Your depriving me of broadband! |
| 00:01:14 | carpman | I think Larry Wall and Linus Torvalds are the two funniest programmers alive. |
| 00:02:12 | file | thinks somebody is playing a cruel joke on him |
| 00:05:22 | scanline | whee... sdlgl rotates from the center of the screen now |
| 00:05:55 | file | shoots scanline with a tranquilizer dart and takes his internet connection |
| 00:06:12 | scanline | good luck getting it through customs :P |
| 00:06:27 | file | I'll just grab the CAT5 and hold on tight |
| 00:07:14 | scanline | is away: searching for food |
| 00:07:46 | file | locate and assimilate Ramens |
| 00:11:12 | file | carpman: status of operation "drop the bomb"? |
| 00:11:34 | fraggle | omg terrists! |
| 00:11:34 | carpman | file: bombs away |
| 00:11:53 | carpman | fraggle: nonono, not when you targeting phone line techs. |
| 00:12:21 | Xentac | bets that somewhere in the US this conversation is illegal... |
| 00:12:35 | file | Xentac: I agree |
| 00:13:04 | carpman | Xentac: well, we just have to make sure we don't mention TERRORISIM, CARNIVORE, HACKING, CRYPTOGRAPHY, the FBI, or anything like that. |
| 00:13:26 | Xentac | hehehe |
| 00:13:50 | fraggle | words like AL QAEDA BOMB PRESIDENT WHITEHOUSE GNU ATTACK PLOT |
| 00:14:17 | Xentac | gnu? |
| 00:16:05 | carpman | Xentac: to catch RMS Raddicals. |
| 00:16:51 | Xentac | keeps getting his butt kicked by a gomoku game... |
| 00:17:09 | Xentac | will have to get good at Go |
| 00:17:24 | Xentac | it has potential with the way I think |
| 00:17:28 | Xentac | much like othello |
| 00:18:15 | file | shivers |
| 00:19:18 | Xentac | file: what? |
| 00:19:29 | file | it's cold |
| 00:19:38 | file | it's 5 degrees out, my parents have had the windows open all day including now |
| 00:19:41 | file | and they say it's not cold |
| 00:19:43 | Xentac | oh, I thought it was because of othello... |
| 00:19:49 | file | negative |
| 00:20:05 | carpman | I wish it were 5 degrees here. |
| 00:20:15 | Xentac | hehehe |
| 00:20:17 | carpman | its about 85 right now |
| 00:20:18 | Xentac | notes it's nice here |
| 00:20:28 | Xentac | even doesn't wear a shirt |
| 00:21:12 | Xentac | has Qtopia-x working on his Zaurus... so he can run X apps... which ones should he run? |
| 00:21:22 | file | xcrashqtopia |
| 00:21:34 | Xentac | how about not? |
| 00:21:46 | file | but it's fun! |
| 00:21:57 | file | the screen melts, then burns, and finally implodes |
| 00:22:16 | carpman | file: hehehe, you mean zradio? :) |
| 00:22:24 | file | sure! |
| 00:22:28 | Xentac | hehehe |
| 00:23:02 | scanline | is back (gone 00:15:48) |
| 00:23:18 | scanline | carpman: no, that's like running xreallysuckyinterface |
| 00:23:28 | file | scanline: what did you have? |
| 00:23:51 | scanline | found some beef jerky and ice cream |
| 00:24:38 | Xentac | woah... slow down Health Man... |
| 00:24:50 | scanline | hehe |
| 00:25:03 | scanline | wb lalo |
| 00:25:30 | lalo | hi scanline :-) |
| 00:30:52 | carpman | w00t! AoF3's permission system is complete! |
| 00:38:26 | carpman | carpman@mach5:~/projects/aof3$ python init.py |
| 00:38:26 | carpman | Loading existing root object... |
| 00:38:26 | carpman | ...done! Starting AoF. |
| 00:38:26 | carpman | > threads? |
| 00:38:27 | carpman | ['TimeKeeper', 'Console'] |
| 00:38:27 | carpman | > |
| 00:38:44 | carpman | does the dance of joy! |
| 00:39:33 | carpman | file: dance the dance of joy! |
| 00:40:51 | Xentac | here we go... something that might make this Zaurus a really cool thing... (not like it's not already... but more cool) 'speakfreely' |
| 00:41:20 | Xentac | it's like a portable wireless phone... |
| 00:41:31 | carpman | ahhh |
| 00:41:51 | carpman | too bad the zaurus's audio is not full duplex |
| 00:41:56 | Xentac | no? |
| 00:41:59 | Xentac | damn... that sucks more... |
| 00:42:05 | Xentac | so it's a portable wireless walkie talkie |
| 00:42:06 | Xentac | ;o) |
| 01:32:32 | Xentac | gives up trying to get the ipkgs of X to work on his Zaurus... it was a bad idea anyway... |
| 01:40:38 | Xentac | hey DevGirl |
| 01:40:56 | DevGirl | hi, Xentac |
| 01:41:04 | fraggle | yay |
| 01:41:12 | DevGirl | hi, fraggle |
| 01:47:14 | Xentac | ok... I need a command-line thing to find all the symlinks in a directory (recursively) and then find all the ones that don't actually point to anything |
| 01:54:32 | Xentac | ah... all cleaned up... |
| 02:18:00 | Xentac | hmmm... |
| 02:18:02 | Xentac | who's on fics? |
| 02:41:54 | Xentac | hello? |
| 02:41:57 | Xentac | anyone? |
| 02:45:10 | Xentac | ah |
| 02:45:14 | Xentac | I know what I'm going to write |
| 02:45:16 | Xentac | hehehe |
| 03:57:49 | darth_balls | anyone here? |
| 03:58:02 | Xentac | is... |
| 03:58:05 | darth_balls | gonkulator? scanline? |
| 03:58:09 | darth_balls | hey Xentac |
| 03:58:24 | Xentac | hi |
| 03:58:42 | Xentac | is trying to figure out Qt, so that he can do some Qtopia development... so that he can write a FICS client for the Zaurus |
| 03:59:00 | darth_balls | has no idea what Xentac just said |
| 03:59:06 | Xentac | no? |
| 03:59:07 | Xentac | that's ok... |
| 03:59:16 | darth_balls | but he smiles politely and wishes to understand someday |
| 03:59:41 | darth_balls | unfortunately now is the time for Chem. Not CSIS |
| 03:59:42 | darth_balls | =P |
| 04:00:01 | darth_balls | would rather play with computers than chemistry right now, but c'est la vie. |
| 04:00:08 | Xentac | go |
| 04:00:12 | Xentac | do chemistry |
| 04:00:14 | Xentac | be happy |
| 04:00:23 | Xentac | frollick with the other chemistry students |
| 04:01:15 | darth_balls | ^_^ |
| 04:01:31 | darth_balls | probly not at 11pm, I'll just have to frolic w/ my book |
| 04:01:44 | darth_balls | wonders if frolicing w/ a book is somehow illegal |
| 04:01:51 | Xentac | hehehe |
| 04:01:55 | Xentac | I don't think so... |
| 04:02:00 | darth_balls | oh, good |
| 04:02:47 | darth_balls | any idea when scanline will be back? |
| 04:02:53 | Xentac | PicoBot: seen scanline? |
| 04:02:53 | PicoBot | scanline was last seen on #picogui 3 hours, 37 minutes and 50 seconds ago, saying: wb lalo [Thu Sep 12 19:31:17 2002] |
| 04:02:54 | darth_balls | I need to talk to him about e-mail |
| 04:02:55 | Xentac | nope |
| 04:02:59 | scanline | eH? |
| 04:03:00 | darth_balls | damn |
| 04:03:01 | Xentac | he just sort of said something |
| 04:03:02 | Xentac | hey |
| 04:03:04 | Xentac | there he is! |
| 04:03:10 | scanline | hi darth_balls and Xentac |
| 04:03:11 | darth_balls | scanline: u there, kid? |
| 04:03:15 | darth_balls | YAY! |
| 04:03:21 | darth_balls | I've been needing to talk to you forever |
| 04:03:25 | scanline | hehe |
| 04:03:28 | scanline | what's up? |
| 04:03:35 | laodamas | hey scanline |
| 04:03:38 | darth_balls | gonkulator suggested that you might be able to set up e-mail for me on navi |
| 04:03:44 | darth_balls | cuz Apple is takin mine away |
| 04:03:44 | scanline | hi laodamas |
| 04:03:58 | laodamas | .mac fun? |
| 04:04:09 | scanline | darth_balls: sure. No 100% uptime guarantees, but it will be at least as reliable as my email :) |
| 04:04:17 | darth_balls | ya... fun like bein drug behind a clydesdale w/ the runs |
| 04:04:29 | darth_balls | scanline: cool |
| 04:04:44 | darth_balls | scanline: what are the incomin and outgoin servers? |
| 04:04:48 | scanline | darth_balls: /msg me with an initial username and password, then you can change the password via ssh |
| 04:04:54 | Xentac | wonders if his new project will be worth it... |
| 04:05:27 | scanline | darth_balls: there's no POP or IMAP server set up right now.. you can ssh in and use mutt, or use a webmail client |
| 04:05:52 | laodamas | I just finished talking to an apple person. Apple has made more than 400 mil on .mac alone already (70% conversion) |
| 04:05:56 | scanline | darth_balls: I could install a POP server I suppose. I have IMAP installed already but not enabled on any external interfaces, for security |
| 04:06:02 | scanline | laodamas: dang! |
| 04:06:45 | laodamas | scanline: he seems to know you and brandon. He says you complain about his RDF at LAN parties. |
| 04:06:45 | darth_balls | laodamas: stupid .mac shit |
| 04:06:47 | darth_balls | grr |
| 04:07:21 | scanline | laodamas: ohhhh.... Dan? |
| 04:07:27 | laodamas | yep |
| 04:07:29 | scanline | hehehe |
| 04:07:31 | scanline | yep |
| 04:07:42 | darth_balls | laodamas: you know dan? |
| 04:07:52 | scanline | hehe.. this is such a weird coincidence |
| 04:08:14 | darth_balls | laodamas: may I ask your real name |
| 04:08:15 | laodamas | darth_ball: I met him tongight. We talked for over three hours. |
| 04:08:26 | darth_balls | laodamas: nm |
| 04:08:44 | darth_balls | laodamas: I thought you might be this brad guy I talked to yesterday |
| 04:08:46 | laodamas | is Chris Howard |
| 04:10:28 | scanline | laodamas: darth_balls lived with Dan for a while |
| 04:10:53 | laodamas | scanline: do I know darth_ball? |
| 04:11:08 | scanline | laodamas: no.. he's a friend of mine from high school |
| 04:11:16 | laodamas | oh |
| 04:12:05 | laodamas | scanline: I am trying to land a job in Apple's R&D department this spring :) |
| 04:12:39 | scanline | nods |
| 04:12:52 | scanline | http://www.rinkworks.com/dialect/dialectp.cgi?dialect=jive&inside=1&url=http://www.eng.uwaterloo.ca/~ejones/software/threading.html |
| 04:15:56 | darth_balls | I don't think so |
| 04:16:11 | darth_balls | I'll try to figure it out later |
| 04:16:16 | scanline | laodamas: can the OS X mail tunnel IMAP through SSH? |
| 04:17:43 | laodamas | scanline: I'm not to sure. Let me see... |
| 04:20:28 | laodamas | scanline: SSL is supported... |
| 04:20:50 | Xentac | wants to call his program zics... but there's already a zic... is that ok...? |
| 04:21:26 | scanline | Xentac: no, because zic is un-good :) |
| 04:21:35 | Xentac | ummm... |
| 04:21:40 | scanline | laodamas: hmm.. |
| 04:21:43 | Xentac | it's not ok for me to call my program zics? |
| 04:21:58 | Xentac | well... what would you call a Zaurus Internet Chess Server program? |
| 04:22:16 | scanline | zicsp? :) |
| 04:22:22 | Xentac | nice |
| 04:22:26 | scanline | zics is good.. just might be confusing |
| 04:22:32 | Xentac | that's my fear |
| 04:22:55 | scanline | zic is bigger than x-chat and has far fewer features |
| 04:23:04 | Xentac | but that doesn't change the name |
| 04:23:11 | scanline | uh huh |
| 04:27:05 | darth_balls | f*ck it |
| 04:27:10 | darth_balls | I don't think you can |
| 04:27:23 | scanline | well, you could always set up the ssh tunnel manually |
| 04:27:31 | darth_balls | how do I do that? |
| 04:27:48 | scanline | reads manpage... |
| 04:27:50 | darth_balls | scanline: is it something I can do myself? |
| 04:27:54 | scanline | yes |
| 04:28:02 | darth_balls | remember, I aint *too* good at this stuff |
| 04:28:39 | scanline | try this: |
| 04:29:07 | scanline | run "ssh -R 143:localhost:143 nuriko@navi.picogui.org" |
| 04:29:10 | scanline | log in, keep the shell open |
| 04:29:22 | scanline | then set up your mail app to use "localhost" as the IMAP server |
| 04:31:05 | darth_balls | usr? pass? |
| 04:31:15 | scanline | same |
| 04:31:40 | darth_balls | is it nurkiko? or nuriko@navi.picogui.org? |
| 04:31:46 | darth_balls | *nuriko |
| 04:31:51 | scanline | nuriko is the username |
| 04:32:06 | scanline | it just happens that the syntax ssh uses for the username plus host is the same that email uses |
| 04:32:41 | darth_balls | ah |
| 04:32:47 | darth_balls | it refused the connection |
| 04:34:02 | darth_balls | any other ideas? |
| 04:34:10 | scanline | hrm.. do you have nmap installed? |
| 04:34:20 | darth_balls | dunno? should I? |
| 04:34:27 | scanline | oh.. there's that port scanner in the network settings control panel doodad |
| 04:34:37 | scanline | scan to see if your local port 143 is open |
| 04:34:38 | Xentac | can't figure out how to add a menu to a form in QT Designer... |
| 04:34:50 | Xentac | what a stupid program ;o) |
| 04:35:25 | scanline | QtMakeMeAMenu(); |
| 04:35:42 | Xentac | not in QT Designer... that's the gui program... |
| 04:35:48 | darth_balls | where is it now? |
| 04:35:53 | scanline | nods |
| 04:36:03 | darth_balls | system pref? |
| 04:36:06 | darth_balls | under network? |
| 04:36:09 | scanline | darth_balls: yeah, I think so |
| 04:36:15 | scanline | laodamas? |
| 04:36:25 | darth_balls | don't see it |
| 04:38:44 | darth_balls | argh, oh well |
| 04:38:58 | scanline | that should have worked... |
| 04:41:00 | darth_balls | hmmm... ohwell |
| 04:41:05 | laodamas | scanline: yes? |
| 04:41:22 | scanline | laodamas: how can darth_balls check if port 143 is open in OS X... there's a port scanner right? |
| 04:42:05 | laodamas | nmap :P |
| 04:42:24 | scanline | notes that darth_balls didn't have that... |
| 04:42:29 | scanline | darth_balls: feel like installing fink? |
| 04:43:04 | darth_balls | was... |
| 04:43:04 | laodamas | Fink installation on 10.2 requires a little effort... |
| 04:43:07 | darth_balls | wait... |
| 04:43:12 | darth_balls | I think... hang on |
| 04:43:42 | laodamas | Network utility works fine for me:) |
| 04:48:48 | darth_balls | hmm, well, I'll work on it w/ Brandon when he comes down this weekend maybe... mean time it's bed time |
| 04:49:10 | darth_balls | scanline: thanks for the e-mail, now I don't have to worry about stupid crappy .mac anymore |
| 04:49:39 | scanline | darth_balls: no problem, good luck getting the IMAP access to work. The web interface should be good in the meantime |
| 04:49:40 | darth_balls | scanline: maybe I'll just keep using the terminal, I like it anyway (mine's clear now. YAY) |
| 04:49:46 | scanline | hehe |
| 04:49:57 | darth_balls | I can see lain through it ^_^ |
| 04:50:11 | darth_balls | well, g'night all |
| 04:50:51 | laodamas | loves aqua. .5fps iCal window resizing! |
| 04:50:59 | scanline | hehehe |
| 04:51:18 | scanline | if only the whole thing was OpenGL accelerated, eh? |
| 04:51:43 | laodamas | i don't think it would fully solve that problem |
| 04:55:43 | laodamas | scanline: found any good window managers? |
| 04:55:50 | scanline | I'm still happy with pwm |
| 04:56:18 | scanline | I might switch to enlightenment if E17 comes out before picogui is ready for the desktop =) |
| 04:57:26 | scanline | jimlay was telling me about his idea to rip out the hardware support code from X and put it in a library, so that projects like picogui, fresco, and GGI could have X's great (compared to everything except windows I suppose) hardware support, and real OpenGL acceleration without all of X |
| 04:57:42 | laodamas | grr...fink 10.2 packages are being released too slowly |
| 04:58:04 | scanline | with that, more flexible window management, modular widgets, and an X compatibility layer I'd jump at the opportunity to use picogui as a desktop GUI |
| 05:00:33 | laodamas | erases MS Office, Explorer, and Media Player |
| 05:00:54 | scanline | they bundled windows media player with 10.2? |
| 05:01:04 | scanline | they don't still call it "Windows Media Player" do they? |
| 05:01:21 | laodamas | yep |
| 05:01:33 | scanline | hahaha |
| 05:01:46 | laodamas | I installed WMP myself though. |
| 05:02:14 | scanline | I still can't believe Microsoft gets away with using generic names like "Word", "Bookshelf", and "Media Player" as their trademarks |
| 05:02:35 | Xentac | scanline: I believe it has already been decided in court that Internet Explorer is too generic |
| 05:02:51 | scanline | hehe |
| 05:02:52 | laodamas | Notepad, paint, movie editor ... |
| 05:03:30 | scanline | of course, apple's iStuff isn't much better |
| 05:04:26 | Xentac | tries to remember his C++ class syntax... |
| 05:05:05 | laodamas | But at least iStuff is intuitive and useful. Ever try to use MS's iMovie clone? <shudder> |
| 05:05:16 | scanline | laodamas: I didn't even know MS had a movie editor |
| 05:05:26 | scanline | laodamas: you see how out of touch I am with commercial OSes :) |
| 05:05:45 | laodamas | scanline: XP is a zoo of worthless MS apps |
| 05:05:46 | scanline | laodamas: oddly enough, both copies of windows I have on yoshi refuse to boot |
| 05:05:53 | laodamas | darn |
| 05:06:03 | laodamas | I have heard rumors the MS is going to make another PCjr modeled off the mac... |
| 05:06:25 | scanline | laodamas: the one I have installed in VMWare does a bluescreen during boot, and the native installation does something similar... prolly need to reinstall them both, but I have software I want to keep (FPGA stuff mostly) |
| 05:06:35 | scanline | laodamas: hehe.. microchannel bus? |
| 05:06:42 | laodamas | Down to a custom MS CPU as part of Palli |
| 05:07:24 | scanline | custom MS CPU? |
| 05:07:44 | scanline | imagines Wine developers trying to hunt down undocumented opcodes and write traps to emulate them on standard x86en |
| 05:07:53 | Xentac | hehehe |
| 05:07:54 | laodamas | laodamas YES! |
| 05:08:27 | laodamas | Remember that MS has a hardware independent .NET infastructure now |
| 05:08:36 | scanline | sort of... |
| 05:08:53 | scanline | all of NT's hardware independence has bit rot |
| 05:08:59 | laodamas | well, thats what they want it to be |
| 05:09:24 | scanline | I think they're just planning for the far future... they won't be able to switch CPUs until most consumer apps are written for .NET |
| 05:09:49 | scanline | unless they pull a OS X on people, and force people to upgrade while giving them an emulator for the old system |
| 05:10:00 | laodamas | Still they have 95% of the consumer market. They want the other 5. |
| 05:10:53 | scanline | heh, that's capitalism for ya |
| 05:13:06 | laodamas | you have seen what stunts MS has pulled recently. At least congress laughed at their passport national ID proposal. |
| 05:16:10 | laodamas | picobot: microsoft? |
| 05:16:10 | PicoBot | wish i knew, laodamas |
| 05:16:40 | laodamas | picobot: apple? |
| 05:16:40 | PicoBot | i think apple is the best |
| 05:16:48 | laodamas | picobot: linux? |
| 05:16:49 | PicoBot | linux is an illegal hacker operation system developed by the russian coder linyos taravoltos |
| 05:17:01 | laodamas | picobot: scanline? |
| 05:17:02 | PicoBot | scanline is one with less memory than a Cybiko or a dingo that needs shaving or the master of whistling to modems or a non-dingo that no longer needs shaving or now clean shaven or obsessed with hot sauce or not one to eat ramens without both water and hot sauce in them or the coiner of the word "biologicality" or shiny on the webcam or deaf or nobody's bitch or a thesaurus |
| 05:17:42 | laodamas | picobot: hacker? |
| 05:17:42 | PicoBot | laodamas: i don't know |
| 05:18:46 | laodamas | enters low power state |
| 05:18:54 | scanline | good night |
| 05:24:47 | Xentac | frowns. |
| 05:24:56 | Xentac | how come the example's quit button works, but mind doesn't? |
| 05:25:38 | scanline | Dave... my mind is going... |
| 05:25:44 | Xentac | hehehe |
| 05:32:22 | scanline | is away: sleepytime |
| 12:12:04 | carpman{puaruu} | muhahaha |
| 12:12:23 | carpman{puaruu} | good morning all |
| 12:20:18 | carpman{puaruu} | PicoBot: seen gonkulator |
| 12:20:19 | PicoBot | gonkulator was last seen on #picogui 12 hours, 41 minutes and 32 seconds ago, saying: is away: stuff [Thu Sep 12 18:45:01 2002] |
| 12:20:59 | mallum | scanline: hey |
| 12:21:14 | carpman{puaruu} | picobot: seen gonkulator{work} |
| 12:21:14 | PicoBot | gonkulator{work} was last seen on #picogui 14 hours, 43 minutes and 32 seconds ago, saying: almost [Thu Sep 12 16:43:56 2002] |
| 12:21:56 | carpman{puaruu} | picobot: seen scanline |
| 12:21:56 | PicoBot | scanline was last seen on #picogui 6 hours, 49 minutes and 34 seconds ago, saying: is away: sleepytime [Fri Sep 13 00:38:36 2002] |
| 12:31:30 | Xentac | awakens. |
| 12:31:43 | carpman{sasami} | morning Xentac |
| 12:32:51 | Xentac | ummm... morning... |
| 12:35:25 | Xentac | carpman{sasami}: you saying hi and running? is that the idea? |
| 12:36:06 | carpman{sasami} | no, something weird happened |
| 12:36:18 | carpman{sasami} | looks like the base station dropped me for a second |
| 12:36:24 | Xentac | nods. |
| 12:36:33 | Xentac | so... I'm starting Qtopia programming now... |
| 12:36:46 | Xentac | and I spent like 1-2 hours last night with the stupidest bug known to man |
| 12:36:55 | Xentac | I knew it was something /really/ simple, but I couldn't figure it out |
| 12:37:06 | Xentac | I woke up this morning (after only 6:30 hours sleep) |
| 12:37:11 | Xentac | and said, "hey, what about this file?" |
| 12:37:20 | Xentac | added about 4 characters |
| 12:37:23 | Xentac | and it compiles fine... |
| 12:39:00 | carpman{sasami} | no, the REAL bug is programing for Qtopia... :) |
| 12:39:25 | Xentac | I know... |
| 12:39:45 | Xentac | but it's easier than trying to make something else interface with Qtopia (like SDL, or GTK!) |
| 12:40:13 | carpman{sasami} | what about PicoGUI?!?!?! |
| 12:40:18 | carpman{sasami} | TRAITOR!!!!!!! |
| 12:42:13 | Xentac | has never written a picogui app before |
| 12:42:26 | Xentac | though... I'm /hoping/ that what I write will be mostly gui independant |
| 12:43:49 | Xentac | http://dragon-tails.com/ <---- hehehe... I think the author is trying to say something in this comic. |
| 12:48:55 | carpman{sasami} | wtf |
| 12:49:02 | Xentac | I don't know... |
| 12:54:12 | carpman{sasami} | this is annoying the heck out of me |
| 12:54:20 | Xentac | I can believe it |
| 12:56:13 | carpman{sasami} | I'm going to drop IRC for now |
| 12:56:17 | carpman{sasami} | bbl |
| 12:56:19 | Xentac | alrighty |
| 12:56:20 | Xentac | good luck |
| 14:30:48 | gonkulator | PicoBot: seen Xentac |
| 14:30:48 | PicoBot | Xentac was last seen on #picogui 1 hours, 34 minutes and 29 seconds ago, saying: good luck [Fri Sep 13 08:02:34 2002] |
| 14:31:56 | gonkulator | PicoBot: seen scanline |
| 14:31:56 | PicoBot | scanline was last seen on #picogui 8 hours, 59 minutes and 34 seconds ago, saying: is away: sleepytime [Fri Sep 13 00:38:36 2002] |
| 14:32:09 | gonkulator | hey, he might wake up in an hour or so. |
| 14:39:18 | gonkulator | hey carpman{puaruu} |
| 14:39:49 | carpman{puaruu} | hi gonk |
| 14:40:16 | carpman{puaruu} | whats up |
| 14:50:52 | scanline | is back (gone 09:18:30) |
| 14:50:58 | gonkulator | less than an hour |
| 14:51:00 | gonkulator | cool |
| 14:51:05 | gonkulator | hey scanline |
| 14:51:09 | scanline | you know, I've already been to one class... |
| 14:51:15 | gonkulator | oh |
| 14:51:24 | gonkulator | well... um... cool :) |
| 14:51:26 | scanline | whatever |
| 14:51:31 | scanline | brb |
| 14:51:32 | gonkulator | feels foolish now |
| 14:56:19 | gonkulator | is away: breakfast |
| 15:00:29 | scanline | gonkulator: you feel like coming to boulder (and specifically, the engineering center) tonight or tomorrow? |
| 15:38:03 | gonkulator | scanline: I am going to Durango this weekend |
| 15:38:25 | gonkulator | needs to deliver Lyndsey's, Nate's and Jon's computers |
| 15:45:19 | scanline | k |
| 15:45:36 | gonkulator | I _could_ come up tonight |
| 15:45:44 | scanline | is away: standing in the wet room before eating some pseudofoodlike stuff |
| 15:45:51 | gonkulator | but I have to leave early tomorrow morning for Durango |
| 15:45:59 | scanline | alrighty |
| 15:55:09 | gonkulator | PicoBot: seen file |
| 15:55:09 | PicoBot | file was last seen on #picogui 15 hours, 31 minutes and 41 seconds ago, saying: scanline: what did you have? [Thu Sep 12 19:29:42 2002] |
| 17:53:02 | file | I'll supposedly have ADSL in 1-2 hours |
| 17:53:18 | hikke | :) |
| 17:53:20 | scanline | yay |
| 17:54:36 | file | I doubt it'll happen |
| 17:54:40 | file | it was supposed to be done yesterday she said |
| 17:54:43 | scanline | yay |
| 17:55:01 | file | then: "I'll call dispatch and get somebody on it asap, it'll be up in 1-2 hours" |
| 18:11:02 | gonkulator | PicoBot: poke file |
| 18:11:03 | PicoBot | gonkulator: i'm not following you... |
| 18:13:06 | hikke | PicoBot: poke hikke is <action> pokes hikke |
| 18:13:06 | PicoBot | OK, hikke. |
| 18:13:13 | gonkulator | PicoBot: poke hikke |
| 18:13:13 | PicoBot | pokes hikke |
| 18:13:16 | gonkulator | hehehehe |
| 18:13:17 | hikke | :) |
| 18:13:21 | file | I must go |
| 18:13:22 | file | bbl |
| 18:13:27 | gonkulator | later file |
| 18:13:33 | hikke | bye... |
| 18:14:17 | gonkulator | wonders where scanline is |
| 18:14:32 | scanline | here |
| 18:14:36 | gonkulator | cool!!! |
| 18:15:52 | hikke | Okay, nights :) |
| 18:16:04 | gonkulator | waits for a phone call from an internet based hardware store |
| 18:18:18 | gonkulator | scanline: what are you doing tuesday night? |
| 18:18:32 | scanline | I dunno, probably homework |
| 18:18:36 | gonkulator | oh, ok |
| 18:18:42 | gonkulator | wants to do UT |
| 18:22:34 | scanline | hi carpman |
| 18:22:37 | gonkulator | hey carpman |
| 18:22:38 | carpman | hi scanline |
| 18:22:39 | carpman | hi gonkulator |
| 18:22:49 | carpman | picked up a 233 mhz CPU for Lain. |
| 18:22:55 | gonkulator | ooooh |
| 18:22:57 | carpman | OC'd to 266, of course >:) |
| 18:23:13 | scanline | hands carpman a bottle of liquid nitrogen |
| 18:23:16 | carpman | its ALMOST fast enough to let lain play excel saga. |
| 18:23:17 | scanline | You know what you doing! |
| 18:23:48 | carpman | Launch every jumper for Great Justice! |
| 18:23:59 | scanline | thinks about shared memory... |
| 18:24:00 | gonkulator | All your cooling are belong to us |
| 18:25:16 | scanline | carpman: I've been thinking in the back of my mind about a way for a pgserver to load client apps into threads within pgserver |
| 18:25:47 | scanline | I'm not sure it would be the fastest solution though... |
| 18:26:25 | carpman | hmm |
| 18:26:40 | scanline | you can't just dlopen an app and run it in a thread, since it's not a relocatable binary |
| 18:26:50 | carpman | if a thread crashes, you get major cleanup problems. |
| 18:27:06 | scanline | right |
| 18:27:14 | carpman | esp. if it pukes all over pgservers memory segment. Then your sunk. |
| 18:27:27 | scanline | the main thing though, is that pgserver would have to queue most requests anyway, so there wouldn't be a huge speed benefit to running clients in pgserver threads |
| 18:27:35 | carpman | right. |
| 18:27:58 | carpman | lo on most systems is just as efficient. |
| 18:28:04 | scanline | but, it would still be nice to avoid data taking a round trip through the kernel and through sockets... |
| 18:28:21 | scanline | wonders if you can trap VM exceptions from userspace >:) |
| 18:28:28 | scanline | ohh... |
| 18:28:35 | scanline | hmm... |
| 18:29:47 | scanline | a queue of requests in shared memory would definitely be better |
| 18:30:20 | carpman | well, remember. Every time we use shared memory, we limit what can be done over a network. |
| 18:30:22 | scanline | you could bypass the handle tree lookup in most cases by using pointers... |
| 18:30:38 | scanline | carpman: I'm thinking about an alternative communications method, it wouldn't replace sockets |
| 18:30:57 | carpman | ahh, a shm communication module. |
| 18:30:57 | scanline | is dreaming about stuff he won't be able to implement until the pgserver network code is more modular |
| 18:31:55 | scanline | hmm... |
| 18:32:10 | carpman | I wish python had private data |
| 18:32:28 | scanline | you could have the app load pgserver code from a shared library using LD_PRELOAD and execute widget and rendering commands in a separate thread... |
| 18:32:45 | scanline | store all app-owned data in a SHM segment that pgserver and the app could both access |
| 18:33:15 | scanline | why private data? |
| 18:33:46 | carpman | because in AoF3, if you get a reference to an object, you can use it to bypass the permission system on the objects, and read or write whatever data you want. |
| 18:34:03 | scanline | hmm |
| 18:34:22 | carpman | Not a problem if you know every object in the system, but I was designing this to be a multi-user thing where users could upload their own objects. |
| 18:35:23 | scanline | embed a python interpreter into a python program :) |
| 18:36:26 | carpman | yeah, but that excludes the existing enviroment space, which I need to keep |
| 18:37:46 | carpman | I suppose for now I'm just going to ignore the problem. |
| 18:37:54 | carpman | There isint really a fix for it. |
| 18:39:07 | scanline | carpman: two underscores? |
| 18:39:23 | scanline | "In Python anything with two leading underscores is private |
| 18:39:23 | scanline | __a, __my_variable |
| 18:39:23 | scanline | Anything with one leading underscore is semi-private, and you should feel guilty accessing this data directly." |
| 18:39:40 | carpman | scanline: thats private by convention, not by enforcement. |
| 18:39:51 | scanline | ah |
| 18:40:06 | carpman | I'm assuming anyone who is trying to access another objects data this way isint going to feel guilty about it :) |
| 18:40:52 | carpman | For now, I'll not add the feature that lets users import their own classes. Admins will have to do that. |
| 18:41:11 | carpman | when/if there is a solution, then I'll impliment it. |
| 18:41:25 | scanline | should go to class now |
| 18:41:33 | scanline | be back in 2 hours |
| 18:41:37 | carpman | k, cya |
| 18:41:44 | scanline | is away: It's lecturific! |
| 18:41:50 | scanline | bye |
| 18:50:52 | gonkulator | hey scan[ibook] |
| 18:51:24 | scan[ibook] | hi |
| 18:51:35 | gonkulator | what class are you in now? |
| 18:51:43 | scan[ibook] | probability |
| 18:51:51 | gonkulator | probably what? |
| 18:51:57 | gonkulator | snickers |
| 18:52:05 | carpman | scan[ibook]: the answer is 'maybe' |
| 18:52:15 | scan[ibook] | probably still a few minutes until it starts... |
| 18:52:29 | scan[ibook] | maybe :) |
| 18:53:55 | gonkulator | of course, I wouldn't stand a chance in a class like that |
| 18:55:25 | scan[ibook] | flings french fries at gonkulator |
| 18:55:52 | gonkulator | throws catsup at scan[ibook] |
| 18:56:13 | scan[ibook] | watches as the french fries and catsup meet in mid-air, and send out a shock wave |
| 18:56:29 | gonkulator | KABOOM |
| 19:09:57 | file | no ADSL yet... |
| 19:10:05 | file | pokes prpplague |
| 19:15:36 | gonkulator | hey file |
| 19:15:41 | gonkulator | no ADSL eh? |
| 19:16:18 | file | not yet |
| 19:16:24 | file | she said 1-2 hours |
| 19:16:29 | file | and 1 1/2 hours have passed |
| 19:16:55 | carpman | all part of my evil plot... |
| 19:17:10 | file | carpman: haha |
| 19:17:16 | file | if only it was true... |
| 19:17:33 | file | will call back in 37 minutes |
| 19:19:26 | scan[ibook] | gets tired of arguing on #wopn |
| 19:20:17 | gonkulator | scan[ibook]: I figured I would put a good word in for you :) |
| 19:20:29 | scan[ibook] | heh |
| 19:20:30 | carpman | scan[ibook]: lemme guess, Diablo-D3's +q ran out again. |
| 19:20:40 | scan[ibook] | carpman: nope, it's Goldelf being a jerk this time |
| 19:20:48 | carpman | oh |
| 19:21:25 | scan[ibook] | carpman: he was complaining that WOPN is starting to suck because they don't stream enough, so I suggested he do something useful instead of just complaining.. then the STFU's and "kiss my ass"'s started flying off him |
| 19:21:39 | carpman | ahh |
| 19:21:41 | gonkulator | scan[ibook]: we should make carpman a guild shirt ;) |
| 19:21:55 | scan[ibook] | I've still got the XCF and PDF files for our shirts |
| 19:22:34 | fraggle | 21:20 <Goldelf:#wopn> if noone was bitching in this world, nothing whould |
| 19:22:34 | fraggle | hapend. |
| 19:22:38 | fraggle | thats so ironic heh |
| 19:22:41 | scan[ibook] | hehe |
| 19:22:48 | fraggle | nothing ever happened by bitching about things |
| 19:22:56 | carpman | wow, engrish |
| 19:22:57 | fraggle | you get things done by DOING not bitching |
| 19:23:36 | fraggle | funnily when i do /lastlog bitching i get |
| 19:23:43 | fraggle | 21:20 <Goldelf:#wopn> if noone was bitching in this world, nothing whould hapend. |
| 19:23:51 | fraggle | 21:22 <Goldelf> you are not doing anything else then fucking bitching now scan and you fucking know it |
| 19:24:07 | scan[ibook] | heh yeah.. he was complaining to impulse about there not being enough streams, when impulse and Barbicane are the only ones that have been streaming in the last couple weeks |
| 19:24:34 | scan[ibook] | parody's away for a while.. I guess MysticOne has been busy? |
| 19:24:35 | scan[ibook] | hmm |
| 19:26:58 | gonkulator | oh well |
| 19:30:15 | gonkulator | a bunch of kids... |
| 19:33:16 | gonkulator | fraggle: what the hell was that all about anyway? |
| 19:34:13 | file | frowns |
| 19:34:43 | file | plugs in his ADSL router and prays |
| 19:35:10 | file | nothing! |
| 19:35:13 | file | thwaps the modem |
| 19:35:15 | file | stupid thing |
| 19:35:32 | fraggle | frig knows |
| 19:36:11 | file | bbl |
| 19:37:14 | fraggle | cool about uml in 2.5 eh |
| 19:38:02 | scan[ibook] | indeed! |
| 19:38:08 | scan[ibook] | maybe I'll actually try it out now :) |
| 19:42:33 | gonkulator | uh oh... |
| 19:42:40 | gonkulator | not Diablo-D3 |
| 19:43:56 | gonkulator | PicoBot: class? |
| 19:43:56 | PicoBot | class is over |
| 20:00:02 | scanline | is back (gone 01:18:18) |
| 20:02:25 | gonkulator | hey scanline |
| 20:04:49 | scanline | hi |
| 20:06:03 | gonkulator | just helped Kristin with her programming homework |
| 20:07:26 | scanline | mmmkay |
| 20:07:46 | gonkulator | forgets how many silly mistakes he made when he was first starting |
| 20:08:37 | gonkulator | oh well |
| 20:24:15 | prpplague | scanline: hey |
| 20:24:19 | prpplague | scanline: you alive |
| 20:24:29 | scanline | indeed |
| 20:25:00 | prpplague | scanline: how well does picogui work with a ts or mouse? |
| 20:25:21 | carpman | works great for me :) |
| 20:25:31 | prpplague | scanline: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS3329091313.html |
| 20:25:36 | scanline | prpplague: pretty well. Depends on the app of course, but there's a 'hotspot' system that lets you use only a keyboard |
| 20:25:47 | prpplague | scanline: think we could get it running on that? |
| 20:25:53 | scanline | ooh |
| 20:26:04 | scanline | definiteyl |
| 20:26:07 | scanline | err, definitely |
| 20:26:18 | prpplague | scanline: cool, got three coming in monday |
| 20:26:23 | scanline | Exadigm and RidgeRun were both using picogui on devices with no touchscreen |
| 20:26:25 | carpman | hehe, looks good for clubbing people, too :) |
| 20:26:41 | scanline | there are some small bugs in the post-input-filter hotspot code still.. prolly not too serious though |
| 20:27:11 | prpplague | scanline: the term app for picogui is vt100 complient? |
| 20:27:24 | scanline | prpplague: what GUI does that ship with? 4MB ROM is kinda small for Qt... |
| 20:27:48 | scanline | prpplague: not quite, nobody has taken the time to add missing escape codes |
| 20:28:25 | prpplague | scanline: looks like winblows right now |
| 20:28:37 | scanline | hehe |
| 20:28:44 | prpplague | scanline: hmm, well if i we get pico on it we can fix that |
| 20:29:00 | scanline | how does windows cope with no touchscreen? It only does one-dimensional tabbing between widgets |
| 20:29:13 | scanline | picogui's hotspot system is like a 2D version of the tab/shift-tab stuff most GUIs have |
| 20:32:17 | prpplague | scanline: hmm, looks like fun |
| 20:33:02 | scanline | is away: playing Unreal Tournament, bbl |
| 20:34:13 | carpman | I have a UT server running at work |
| 20:34:20 | carpman | that sounds like fun too... |
| 20:37:17 | scanline | carpman: I think we should use yours, michael's UT installation is screwed up as a server :) |
| 20:49:30 | scanline | hrm.. connection failing every once and a while |
| 20:49:57 | carpman | grrr!!!!! |
| 20:50:08 | carpman | I know, I'm having to restart it |
| 20:50:22 | carpman | I cant find where it keeps the web-admin config at. |
| 20:51:59 | carpman | tries to remember how he did this at anime-fest |
| 20:52:00 | carpman | OH! |
| 20:52:03 | carpman | remembers |
| 20:52:41 | scanline | well.. I'll probably play later instead, micahel gave up and I feel more like attempting some code at the moment |
| 20:54:03 | carpman | allright |
| 20:54:15 | carpman | BAH. Just when I get it working :) |
| 20:54:19 | scanline | doh |
| 20:54:24 | scanline | bbiab |
| 20:54:26 | carpman | k |
| 20:54:49 | file | screams |
| 20:54:56 | file | the work order for my line was rejected - twice |
| 20:54:59 | file | due to heavy work load |
| 21:02:05 | scanline | file: increase your process priority |
| 21:03:00 | file | did |
| 21:03:12 | file | and maybe my work order will get top priority |
| 23:09:32 | scanline | is away: food (good food!) |