irclog2html for #pegasos.org on 20060220

`00:00.00`	`Trizt`	`samma h�r, en liten 1l bara... man hinner ju inte med o dricka innan det �r dags o koka nytt`
`00:01.41`	`gullden`	`jaha det var 316 rader kod till som var klart`
`00:02.31`	`Trizt`	`vad �r m�let? 1 million rader?`
`00:03.10`	`gullden`	`en fungerande TileMotor`
`00:04.32`	`Trizt`	`tegelmotor... jo det kan vara n�tt... till demo eller?`
`00:05.44`	`gullden`	`ja`
`00:06.25`	`gullden`	`typ en isometriskt motor`
`00:07.09`	`Trizt`	`du g�r allt eller n�n du kodar med?`
`00:07.55`	`gullden`	`nej jag e sj�lc`
`00:08.02`	`gullden`	`sj�lv`
`00:08.30`	`Trizt`	`musiken me?`
`00:08.46`	`gullden`	`nej, jag har faktiskt inte n�gon musik �nnu`
`00:09.33`	`Trizt`	`n�n speciel typ av musik du hade t�nkt eller det f�r tidigt o t�nka s�nt?`
`00:10.28`	`gullden`	`tror jag vill ha n�got ambient aktigt, typ groovesalad www.somafm.com`
`00:11.04`	`gullden`	`det skall vara s� att man inte t�nker p� att det �r musik, fast det �r d�r �nd�`
`00:12.33`	`Trizt`	`f�r ta ett lyssn`
`00:15.41`	`Trizt`	`det vart flummigt`
`00:16.17`	`gullden`	`mmm, gott`
`00:18.03`	`Trizt`	`har en SPK skiva som du skulle nog gilla, lite �t det h�llet`
`00:18.39`	`Trizt`	`sen Monolake e n�tt liknande ocks�`
`00:21.29`	`Trizt`	`haha, trode det vart gruppen som hette Monolake, men det vart ju skivan, gruppen heter Chain Reaction`
`00:23.52`	`gullden`	`heh`
`00:27.03`	`Trizt`	`coolt, dom har hittat en massa kul saker hos det �sterikiska skidlandslaget... en av idrottarna h�ll p� o sl�ngde ut dem fr�n f�nstret n�r italienska polisen stormade f�rl�ggningen`
`00:29.04`	`gullden`	`hehe`
`00:29.52`	`Trizt`	`de har v�l f�tt nya saker fr�n Astra som inte syns p� testen, de har ju erfarenhet fr�n o g�ra s�nna medel`
`00:29.59`	`gullden`	`ok`
`00:30.24`	`ironfist`	`nu �r chuck norris-filmen slut`
`00:30.26`	`ironfist`	`haha`
`00:30.45`	`Trizt`	`ironfist; du f�r v�l varva ner med "sex inspectors"`
`00:30.57`	`ironfist`	`varvar ner med kudden ist`
`00:31.17`	`Trizt`	`nej, nu ska du inte vara s�nn`
`00:31.18`	`gullden`	`sova nu, varf�r`
`00:31.48`	`Trizt`	`ironfist; nu e ju b�sta tiden framf�r datorn`
`00:33.22`	`ironfist`	`haha`
`00:33.32`	`ironfist`	`k�rringa sover ju iaf`
`00:33.44`	`Trizt`	`d� e det ingen som st�r dig :P`
`00:33.47`	`gullden`	`om hon sover s� e det ju lugnt`
`00:33.53`	`gullden`	`hehe`
`00:34.06`	`gullden`	`fast du kanske vill krypa ner och porra lite`
`00:35.35`	`ironfist`	`nepp, inte l�rdag idag`
`00:35.38`	`ironfist`	`:)`
`00:36.03`	`gullden`	`haha`
`00:36.15`	`gullden`	`e det l�rdagsporr hemma hos er`
`00:36.25`	`ironfist`	`l�rdagsn�jet`
`00:36.31`	`ironfist`	`och jul ox�`
`00:36.35`	`gullden`	`lol`
`00:36.38`	`ironfist`	`sen f�r det allt r�cka ;)`
`00:36.57`	`gullden`	`du �r h�rd men r�ttvis`
`00:37.01`	`ironfist`	`ger man dem lillfingret tar de hela handen vettu`
`00:38.19`	`gullden`	`ge henne n�got annat s� kanske hon tar hela den med ;)`
`00:38.38`	`ironfist`	`h0 h0 h0`
`00:38.48`	`ironfist`	`linda lovelace`
`00:38.57`	`gullden`	`nej det h�r g�r inte... r�ga m�ste jag nu`
`00:39.24`	`Trizt`	`usb-cigg?`
`00:39.26`	`ironfist`	`och nu ska jag nana`
`00:39.36`	`ironfist`	`gonatt grabbs, j�kligt nice att se dig johan g`
`00:39.36`	`gullden`	`sov gott ifist`
`00:39.42`	`gullden`	`samma mannen`
`00:39.44`	`Trizt`	`natti natt fisten`
`00:40.18`	`gullden`	`jag tror du hade blivit en krille i sm�land`
`00:40.47`	`gullden`	`.. r�ka var det jag skulle g�ra`
`00:40.54`	`Trizt`	`:)`
`00:48.21`	`gullden`	`det var gott`
`00:52.59`	`Trizt`	`vad blev det? en right?`
`00:53.54`	`gullden`	`na, det blev en Level`
`00:54.59`	`Trizt`	`vad skiljer? m�ngden r�ttgift eller?`
`00:55.12`	`gullden`	`b�de det och smak`
`01:09.19`	`Trizt`	`nej, tror jag ska g�ra ett f�rs�k, om det inte lyckas s� dyker jag upp om en timme eller s� igen`
`01:09.57`	`gullden`	`sov gott om det lyckas`
`01:10.35`	`TriztZZzzz`	`har inte g�tt s� bra de senaste veckorna, har ingen st�rre f�rhoppning nu heller. Du f�r ha det s� sk�nt kodandes`
`07:11.51`	`gullden`	`snark`
`07:14.52`	`lisardhjo`	`mmm`
`07:14.59`	`lisardhjo`	`ja det �r segt..`
`07:15.17`	`lisardhjo`	`somnade runt 02.00 och gick upp vid 05.30`
`07:20.22`	`gullden`	`tror jag somnade runt 3 eller n�got`
`07:20.38`	`Trizt`	`ni bara sover ni`
`07:20.45`	`gullden`	`:)`
`07:21.18`	`Trizt`	`vart ju tvungen o se buffy innan man kunde sova`
`07:23.39`	`lisardhjo`	`var ju massor med bra p� TV inatt ju`
`07:23.55`	`lisardhjo`	`eller ja normalt skit`
`07:23.58`	`gullden`	`som vad ?`
`07:24.09`	`gullden`	`precis`
`07:24.21`	`gullden`	`sheit va segt det �r idag`
`07:24.50`	`Trizt`	`du f�r la ta en kopp the ena`
`07:24.50`	`lisardhjo`	`nja mera-motor,insider osv..`
`07:25.22`	`Trizt`	`insider vart ju repris-repris-repris o mindre-motor suger ju`
`07:25.32`	`lisardhjo`	`jao.. normalt-skit`
`07:26.03`	`Trizt`	`du hade ju gothamns �nglar och buffy p� 5:an`
`07:26.11`	`gullden`	`heh, det �r inte s�kert att det blir n�gon PS3 i �r..`
`07:26.42`	`lisardhjo`	`gullden: har redan misst�nkt det.. vad �r det f�r fel nu d�?`
`07:27.07`	`lisardhjo`	`corpsicle: s� �r det n�r man �ker mos..`
`07:27.31`	`Trizt`	`corpsicle; tog det s� l�ng tid att boot up?`
`07:27.34`	`gullden`	`nVidia har g�tt ut och sagt att dom inte v�ntar n�gra royalties under ialla fall det f�rsta kvartalet`
`07:28.02`	`corpsicle`	`trizt : ja`
`07:28.04`	`lisardhjo`	`gullden: okej..`
`07:28.26`	`corpsicle`	`fick ett vitt, helsk�rmsf�nster ist�llet f�r desktop`
`07:28.31`	`corpsicle`	`gick inte att komma till desktopen alls`
`07:28.49`	`corpsicle`	`efter att ha bootat om n�gra g�nger och in i linux och osx och sen tillbaks, s� funkade det =P`
`07:28.49`	`ChaoZer`	`problem wbstartup eller?:)`
`07:28.55`	`lisardhjo`	`hmm tomazkid v�gar inte s�ga att han har k�pt peg till de r�da trollen`
`07:28.57`	`lisardhjo`	`mooaahh`
`07:28.59`	`gullden`	`corpsicle: det �r ju vinter, det �r ett theme ;)`
`07:29.05`	`corpsicle`	`heh`
`07:29.06`	`ChaoZer`	`corpsicle, l�ter konstigt`
`07:29.31`	`gullden`	`nehe, dags att dra iv�g..`
`07:29.35`	`gullden`	`synes folket`
`07:29.40`	`corpsicle`	`jag b�rjar fundera p� om vesalia skickat mig picke pegasiga minnen`
`07:29.48`	`corpsicle`	`picke ?`
`07:29.52`	`corpsicle`	`icke-pegasiga`
`07:30.08`	`Trizt`	`ha det kul gullden`
`07:30.16`	`corpsicle`	`l�ste n�n tr�d om n�n som hade lite slumpm�ssiga problem med mos pga ram minnen`
`07:30.37`	`ChaoZer`	`corpsicle, mjo cp minnen kan je roliga problem.. men tror inte det �r det.`
`07:30.44`	`ChaoZer`	`eg`
`07:30.46`	`ChaoZer`	`ge`
`07:30.46`	`lisardhjo`	`ja.. de kan vara k�nsliga med minnen iblaND`
`07:31.00`	`Trizt`	`specielt om det vart en PegI`
`07:31.27`	`ChaoZer`	`inte exakt samma.`
`07:31.39`	`lisardhjo`	`jag provade med 3st olika 512mb:are och det fungerade inte..`
`07:32.17`	`ChaoZer`	`min gamla 512'a dog :(`
`07:32.26`	`ChaoZer`	`gav sig.. ville inte vara med mer :)`
`07:32.27`	`corpsicle`	`sen tror jag att jag har v�rmeproblem i l�dan ocks� =P`
`07:32.43`	`corpsicle`	`f�r lite knasiga grafikbuggar n�r jag drar f�nster`
`07:32.57`	`corpsicle`	`och sen ig�r s� v�grade ett par lha arkiv att packas upp korrekt`
`07:33.00`	`corpsicle`	`fick crc errors`
`07:33.05`	`corpsicle`	`sen pl�tsligt s� fungerade b�da =P`
`07:33.06`	`ChaoZer`	`corpsicle, ja det brukar bero p� v�rmeproblem`
`07:33.17`	`ChaoZer`	`corpsicle, du ska nog se till att fixa det`
`07:33.34`	`Trizt`	`fixade du till fl�kten corpsicle ?`
`07:48.57`	`Trizt`	`Mmm... nybakt br�d`
`08:20.34`	`corpsicle`	`fl�kten p� cpun ja`
`08:20.39`	`corpsicle`	`bytte den och den nya funkar find`
`08:20.41`	`corpsicle`	`fint`
`08:20.46`	`corpsicle`	`fast jag vet inte hur effektiv den �r`
`08:21.05`	`corpsicle`	`det bl�ser v�ldigt varmt ifr�n fl�kten tycker jag`
`08:21.13`	`corpsicle`	`och den bl�ser ju rakt p� ramet =P`
`08:21.17`	`corpsicle`	`vet inte hur bra det �r`
`08:24.24`	`Trizt`	`ram.fl�nsar ksnake kunde hj�lpa... hur e det med fl�kten p� grafikkortet?`
`08:29.26`	`corpsicle`	`ingen fl�kt p� grafikkortet`
`08:30.45`	`Trizt`	`kan vara minnerna p� den som ger upp, hade ett nvidia gf2 kort d�r minnet gick... s�g ganska kul ut o titta p�`
`08:30.59`	`Trizt`	`nu ska jag titta p� greys`
`08:40.34`	`lisardhjo`	`corpsicle: vem var det du k�pte din peg av?`
`08:42.41`	`corpsicle`	`hellbeard`
`08:43.01`	`corpsicle`	`#amiga p� efnet`
`08:43.31`	`lisardhjo`	`hmm`
`08:43.36`	`lisardhjo`	`k�nner jag inte..`
`08:43.41`	`corpsicle`	`fast jag har bytt grafikkort och minne`
`08:43.46`	`lisardhjo`	`ok`
`08:44.02`	`corpsicle`	`men cpu kortet hade en fin pepparkaksfl�ck p� baksidan`
`08:44.17`	`corpsicle`	`kan man inte skicka det till genesi och f� det utbytt ? =P`
`08:44.31`	`corpsicle`	`det funkar ju, men det k�nns lite s�d�r`
`08:45.34`	`lisardhjo`	`ja du f�r det s�kert fixxat s� l�nge du inte har gjort n�got.. fungerar det �r det ju ingen anledning till att byta det..`
`08:45.59`	`corpsicle`	`n� iofs, om kortet har problem s� funkar v�l antagligen ingenting, eller ?`
`08:46.06`	`lisardhjo`	`typ`
`08:46.09`	`corpsicle`	`mm`
`08:46.24`	`corpsicle`	`jag ska nog fixa n�n typ av kylning till grafikkortet`
`08:46.26`	`lisardhjo`	`men datorn har fungerat bra f�r hellbeard eller..`
`08:46.37`	`corpsicle`	`och sen skulle jag vilja ha en luftstr�m igenom caset =P`
`08:46.47`	`corpsicle`	`ja han har inte n�mnt n�nting om att han hade n�gra problem`
`08:46.54`	`corpsicle`	`han hade ju bytt ut cpu fl�kten dock`
`08:46.59`	`corpsicle`	`till en helt kass fl�kt`
`08:47.08`	`lisardhjo`	`ok`
`08:50.35`	`corpsicle`	`fast det caset jag anv�nder nu �r r�tt kass`
`08:50.43`	`corpsicle`	`vet du om det gunne s�ljer �r bra ?`
`08:51.01`	`dholm`	`fr�ga merko, han har en s�n`
`08:51.06`	`corpsicle`	`http://www.ggsdata.se/datorlador/qpackblue.html`
`08:51.07`	`corpsicle`	`den`
`08:51.24`	`corpsicle`	`fast jag vill ha en r�d, utan f�nster`
`08:51.47`	`corpsicle`	`http://www.ggsdata.se/datorlador/Bilder/qpack-silv9.jpg`
`08:51.56`	`corpsicle`	`upps, f�ljer det med en stor chassifl�kt ?`
`08:52.54`	`dholm`	`det �r v�l en 120mm i den`
`08:53.12`	`smf`	`den stora chassifl�kten i qpacken kan man inte anv�nda :)`
`08:53.12`	`dholm`	`eller kanske var den d�r andra kubl�dan`
`08:54.04`	`corpsicle`	`smf : inte ?`
`08:54.23`	`smf`	`corpsicle: Den l�ter som faan`
`08:54.30`	`corpsicle`	`aha`
`08:54.35`	`corpsicle`	`men det �r v�l bara att byta`
`08:55.26`	`smf`	`corpsicle: Men du f�r g�rna k�pa en s�n, f�r det �r en sak som du f�r unders�ka �t mig om du skaffar en :)`
`08:55.35`	`corpsicle`	`heh`
`08:55.42`	`corpsicle`	`kanske ska be gunne sl�pa en till push`
`08:55.50`	`smf`	`Jag vill veta om psu'n ska tjuta p� den hela tiden eller itne`
`08:55.56`	`corpsicle`	`o_O`
`08:56.07`	`corpsicle`	`l�ter m�rkligt`
`08:56.40`	`smf`	`Jao, men jag tror det �r fel p� min trafo..fast jag vet inte`
`08:57.48`	`dholm`	`corpsicle: gunne bor ju alldeles vid PUSH-lokalen s� han brukar kunna skr�mma fram prylar relativt snabbt om man beh�ver n�got`
`08:58.00`	`corpsicle`	`�h koolt`
`08:58.11`	`corpsicle`	`kanske ska spara ihop till en till pegasos d� =D`
`08:58.23`	`corpsicle`	`s� jag kan k�ra morphos p� TV� maskiner`
`09:10.40`	`ironfist`	`morron`
`09:11.14`	`corpsicle`	`ironfisk`
`09:25.25`	`ironfist`	`korpen`
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`13:33.56`	`ironfist`	`Ny nyhet.`
`13:34.59`	`corpsicle`	`ny nyhet vad ?`
`13:35.05`	`ironfist`	`l�s`
`13:35.16`	`corpsicle`	`nu funkar inte sidan f�r mig igen`
`13:35.29`	`corpsicle`	`det �r n�t v�ldigt paj med proxyn h�r p� jobbet`
`13:38.25`	`lisardhjo`	`isch`
`13:38.31`	`lisardhjo`	`proxy suxxors`
`13:38.38`	`corpsicle`	`ja`
`13:39.05`	`lisardhjo`	`vad k�r ni f�r sunkig mjukvara d�?`
`13:47.30`	`ironfist`	`corp: k�r med squid`
`14:05.23`	`lisardhjo`	`ironfist: hur g�r det med trollandet`
`14:33.08`	`ironfist`	`verkar som tr�den d�tt ut`
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`14:58.18`	`lisardhjo`	`http://dvorakisnuts.org hehe`
`14:58.24`	`lisardhjo`	`yep he is nuts..`
`15:49.52`	`NekoXP`	`the comments about 'john never used any other OS and thinks everyone should love windows' is kind of strange considering we got him to extoll virtues of orphOS once :D`
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`17:49.14`	`TCD`	`hello`
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`17:52.16`	`TCD`	`my oeg is propably faulty, help, gentoo won't work fine, i connot compile any large packages like kde or mozilla, hardware problem :(`
`17:52.49`	`Merko`	`why would it be a hardware problem?`
`17:55.03`	`TCD`	`because it says it, i cannot compile anything large without errors`
`17:55.45`	`TCD`	`i should stay with kubuntu`
`17:55.57`	`TCD`	`but i really want gentoo`
`17:56.17`	`Merko`	`TCD: what exactly does it say?`
`17:58.59`	`TCD`	`i forgot, but it was errors with portage and unpacking, when i compiling it shows errors in random moments`
`18:01.14`	`Merko`	`doesn't necessarily mean it's a hardware problem`
`18:01.47`	`TCD`	`so what can be a reason?`
`18:01.59`	`Merko`	`how could I tell`
`18:02.04`	`Merko`	`it could be anything`
`18:02.10`	`TCD`	`how to check the hardware is it faulty`
`18:02.28`	`Merko`	`running something which is known to work on another peg is a good way`
`18:02.58`	`TCD`	`but I can compile kernel, no problem at all, ii kde and another huge packages couse the problems`
`18:03.11`	`Merko`	`you just have to make sure it's exactly the same setup`
`18:03.45`	`Merko`	`TCD: sure, but if it's a software problem, a bad driver or whatever, this is also more likely to cause problems with a large task`
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`18:04.28`	`TCD`	`dholm tried to install gentoo on my peg, errrors happened, segfaults etc`
`18:05.01`	`Merko`	`mhm`
`18:05.03`	`TCD`	`let me do compile something small for example, write something small`
`18:05.41`	`Merko`	`well.. first thing to do is to find some way to reproduce it, something that nearly always causes problems`
`18:06.07`	`Merko`	`then you can start experimenting.. change memory modules, make sure the cpu card is in perfect contact, etc`
`18:06.16`	`TCD`	`oki`
`18:06.20`	`TCD`	`i will do it`
`18:08.45`	`TCD`	`i will tell you what errors appear`
`18:12.33`	`Merko`	`well, if dholm helped you I guess you're right that it's hw related`
`18:12.46`	`TCD`	`:-(`
`18:12.55`	`Merko`	`and then it's not so interesting anymore what the errors are.. dholm would be much better than me to interpret those errors anyway`
`18:13.05`	`Merko`	`you just need to find a way to reproduce them`
`18:13.13`	`Merko`	`hopefully it's just the memory modules`
`18:13.35`	`Merko`	`have you tried running any memory testers?`
`18:13.37`	`TCD`	`i have memory module from Gunne, it should be fine`
`18:13.52`	`TCD`	`in mos there's no problems`
`18:14.19`	`Merko`	`TCD: make a loop that runs memtest a few hundred times.. sometimes errors are sneaky`
`18:14.20`	`TCD`	`i don't know how to do this with gentoo, what program can do it`
`18:15.25`	`TCD`	`i compiling kde right now`
`18:17.49`	`Merko`	`"memtest extensive delay 5" should be a decent test`
`18:35.37`	`TCD`	`Develin`
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`18:53.24`	`lisardman`	`Develin, s� du �r vaken nu`
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`18:55.55`	`ironfist`	`tcd: try turning off SMP in your kernel`
`18:56.20`	`ironfist`	`tcd: i have SMP on, on this peg2 with no problems at all,.. on another peg2 i got lots of segfaults until i turned it off`
`18:56.43`	`ironfist`	`so that seems abit random even on same platform`
`18:56.46`	`ChaoZerMOS`	`thats because peg2 sucks`
`18:57.18`	`lisardman`	`yep and that is because morphos sux`
`18:57.18`	`TCD`	`ironfist: how to do it?`
`18:57.42`	`ironfist`	`tcd: do you know how to modify the kernel with menuconfig?`
`18:57.45`	`ChaoZerMOS`	`lisardman: it sure does`
`18:57.46`	`TCD`	`that becuase my knowledge about linux is suxx`
`18:58.26`	`ChaoZerMOS`	`lisardman: even linux sucks at some many points its unbvelievable ;)`
`18:58.43`	`ChaoZerMOS`	`infact.. the best OS for any enduser is probably windows`
`18:58.49`	`ChaoZerMOS`	`we should all just give in`
`18:59.11`	`ironfist`	`os x!`
`18:59.20`	`ChaoZerMOS`	`yeah os x is ok aswell.`
`18:59.36`	`gullden`	`suck my balls`
`18:59.46`	`ChaoZerMOS`	`but i would say windows is better because of good software availability.`
`18:59.46`	`ironfist`	`chaozer: more user-friendly than windows`
`19:00.08`	`ironfist`	`gullden: give it to me baby!`
`19:00.13`	`ChaoZerMOS`	`ironfist: it is .. but thats not the only thing that counts for endusers.. software availability is even more important.`
`19:00.21`	`gullden`	`ironfist: oh, yeah I will..`
`19:00.29`	`dholm`	`ChaoZerMOS: do you need any applications that are only available on windows? that is the only relevant question, the number of available applications doesn't mean anything really`
`19:00.44`	`ironfist`	`chaozer: jepp, untill you get all spyware and virus that comes for free in windows ;)`
`19:00.53`	`ironfist`	`gullden: wraurr`
`19:00.56`	`ChaoZerMOS`	`dholm: sure... lets start with ms office ;)`
`19:01.08`	`dholm`	`try openoffice O.o`
`19:01.15`	`ironfist`	`or neooffice ;)`
`19:01.17`	`ChaoZerMOS`	`dholm: openoffice isnt the same thing...`
`19:01.45`	`ChaoZerMOS`	`dholm: not for the average joe atleast.. its more complicated and just different ... and incompatible`
`19:01.46`	`gullden`	`I think one person has the right to choose for him or herself`
`19:02.06`	`dholm`	`we didn't have any problems transitioning to openoffice at work and we have tons of macros etc in our documents`
`19:02.40`	`ChaoZerMOS`	`dholm: if you load a word document and resave it in open office it will most likely fuck it up`
`19:02.53`	`dholm`	`nope, neither of our docs have`
`19:03.01`	`dholm`	`and we have a lot of docs/xls :P`
`19:03.01`	`ChaoZerMOS`	`dholm: openoffice<->word usage is compleltely impossible`
`19:03.04`	`ironfist`	`why would they fuck up?!`
`19:03.13`	`ChaoZerMOS`	`ironfist: because they do`
`19:03.18`	`dholm`	`ChaoZerMOS: come visit us some time and you'll see it is perfectly possible`
`19:03.29`	`ironfist`	`chaozeR: then you have a shitty OO-version`
`19:03.29`	`ChaoZerMOS`	`dholm: its not and its a well known fact`
`19:03.38`	`ChaoZerMOS`	`ironfist: then all OO versions are shitty ;)`
`19:03.43`	`ChaoZerMOS`	`ironfist: its a well known problem`
`19:03.45`	`ironfist`	`not mine`
`19:03.50`	`ChaoZerMOS`	`yeah right`
`19:03.51`	`ironfist`	`but i compile myself`
`19:04.10`	`dholm`	`ChaoZerMOS: I think your problem is that you are just bsing right now`
`19:04.16`	`ChaoZerMOS`	`yes and you magically change the program to suddenly work perfectly with all word versions`
`19:04.20`	`ChaoZerMOS`	`dholm: im not`
`19:04.27`	`dholm`	`obviously you are O.o`
`19:05.01`	`ChaoZerMOS`	`dholm: not even word itself can handle transition between different doc formats properly`
`19:05.21`	`ChaoZerMOS`	`dholm: so it would be pretty amazing is oo could pull it of... and it doesnt.`
`19:06.14`	`ChaoZerMOS`	`I always make people install OO when working on assignments in school f.ex :)`
`19:06.16`	`dholm`	`like I said, come visit us and see for yourself.. but obviously you have decided that it doesn't work so who cares if it does?`
`19:06.18`	`gullden`	`yeah and my dad kan kick your dad's arse.. bla bla`
`19:06.19`	`ChaoZerMOS`	`because it doesnt work`
`19:06.43`	`ironfist`	`gullden: HEY! leave my dad out of this!`
`19:06.44`	`ChaoZerMOS`	`dholm: and you have decided it does, so who cares if it doesn't ;)`
`19:06.54`	`ironfist`	`gullden: too damn perverse to bring him in :)`
`19:06.57`	`dholm`	`yes, but that is because I know it does from experience`
`19:07.05`	`ChaoZerMOS`	`dholm: and i know from experience it doesnt`
`19:07.11`	`ChaoZerMOS`	`dholm: conclusion: it doesnt always work`
`19:07.13`	`gullden`	`ironfist: Yo! your dad, Is he in this to ?, wtf`
`19:07.33`	`ironfist`	`gullden: dunno actually, haven't seen him for many years ;)`
`19:07.38`	`ironfist`	`laundry`
`19:07.39`	`gullden`	`ir`
`19:07.52`	`gullden`	`ironfist: same here actually`
`19:07.59`	`ChaoZerMOS`	`dholm: sure it can work .. the app has word import after all...`
`19:08.08`	`ChaoZerMOS`	`dholm: but it has serious problems.-`
`19:08.37`	`ChaoZerMOS`	`and OO isnt as good as word either`
`19:09.11`	`ChaoZerMOS`	`dholm: usability wise its a disaster`
`19:09.25`	`gullden`	`ironfist: have you tasted Dr.Pepper ? if you have, what does the aftertaste remind you of ?`
`19:09.57`	`dholm`	`ChaoZerMOS: so use crossover then`
`19:10.21`	`ChaoZerMOS`	`dholm: nah I can handle OO .. but point is thats me ;).. not joe.`
`19:11.29`	`ChaoZerMOS`	`dholm: anything else than windows for the normal user is insane .. and will be for quite some time still probably....`
`19:11.41`	`ChaoZerMOS`	`dholm: and I guess you know I dont like windows...`
`19:11.46`	`ChaoZerMOS`	`dholm: But I can see the facts`
`19:11.49`	`dholm`	`apprently you do O.o`
`19:11.56`	`ChaoZerMOS`	`nah I dont :)`
`19:12.00`	`dholm`	`apprently you do O.o`
`19:12.15`	`ChaoZerMOS`	`i dont ;)`
`19:12.26`	`ChaoZerMOS`	`its not for me anyway .`
`19:12.51`	`dholm`	`I think you are trying to come up with an excuse why you should allow people around you to use win`
`19:14.09`	`ChaoZerMOS`	`dholm: i wouldnt want them to 1. never play any games, 2, never get any proper support other than from me, 3. neve be able to use well known apps, 4. re-learn things from scratch, 5. be stuck with some shell nobody but some computer geek would understand.`
`19:14.40`	`dholm`	`do you think the dos promp is more intuitive then?`
`19:14.47`	`dholm`	`if so, why??`
`19:14.49`	`ChaoZerMOS`	`dholm: the dos prompt is never needed`
`19:14.54`	`ChaoZerMOS`	`dholm: the shell is ;)`
`19:15.06`	`dholm`	`when?`
`19:15.44`	`ChaoZerMOS`	`oh quiite often .. mostly when things fuck up`
`19:15.53`	`ChaoZerMOS`	`dunno how many times I had to guide my dad thru the shell`
`19:16.08`	`ChaoZerMOS`	`i really regret installing linux there`
`19:20.38`	`ChaoZerMOS`	`dholm: the problem lies in support anyway`
`19:20.56`	`ChaoZerMOS`	`dholm: if more companies used linux ..more people could use it aswell`
`19:24.20`	`ironfist`	`gullden: Dr Pepper? .. well.. can't remember the aftertaste.. if i have tasted it it's like one or two times`
`19:25.14`	`ironfist`	`windows is great, fucks up alot and gives me money`
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`19:35.41`	`GGS`	`Hello, Just use MorphOS :-)`
`19:36.13`	`ironfist`	`Good morning Gunne`
`19:36.46`	`gunne`	`Good night ironfist`
`19:38.16`	`gunne`	`Or morning if you prefer :-)`
`19:38.56`	`ChaoZerMOS`	`dr pepper is nice`
`19:39.03`	`ChaoZerMOS`	`tastes like cherry`
`19:39.06`	`ChaoZerMOS`	`;)`
`19:39.48`	`dholm`	`it tastes like bj�rnklister`
`19:39.51`	`GGS`	`Isn't it an old Beatles somg ?`
`19:39.53`	`dholm`	`(which is a good thing)`
`19:40.04`	`GGS`	`somg = song`
`19:40.10`	`dholm`	`GGS: no, that is Sgt. Pepper`
`19:40.18`	`GGS`	`Aha`
`19:40.50`	`ironfist`	`gunne: are you an old beatle fan?`
`19:43.27`	`gunne`	`ironfist, No, but some songs they made are nice.`
`19:45.42`	`GGS`	`I noticed neko have changed morphosppc.com`
`19:47.30`	`GGS`	`Maybe should do a newsitem about it ?`
`19:51.12`	`NekoXP_`	`please don't`
`19:51.27`	`Neko`	`it's just a nicer placeholder and a place to link MDC`
`19:51.37`	`ChaoZerMOS`	`'`
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`19:51.46`	`GGS`	`NekoXP_, Will not, your wish is my command :-)`
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`20:23.41`	`GGS`	`http://exotica.fix.no/gallery/amigacity/index.html`
`20:23.59`	`GGS`	`http://exotica.fix.no/gallery/amigacity2/index.html`
`20:26.14`	`Neko`	`is that exobuzz's stuff?`
`20:26.17`	`Neko`	`he is a freak`
`20:26.50`	`dholm`	`aren't all amigans?`
`20:27.56`	`Neko`	`yes`
`20:39.01`	`GGS`	`I dont know who it is. Maybe he is from UK ?`
`20:42.51`	`Neko`	`he runs exotica`
`20:43.21`	`Neko`	`and yes I think he lives in the uk`
`20:54.33`	`GGS`	`yep`
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