irclog2html for #pegasos.org on 20060122

00:09.15Triztdamn, have to experiment with nic... hate this...
00:10.25Triztguess I'll do that tomorrow as I cut myself on that damn nic
00:10.27kamelryttarnwhy experiment.. go with a nic that ALLWAYS work..  3c905b
00:11.15kamelryttarnand if that nic doesn't work, there is something seriously wrong with your OS
00:13.27TriztI have saved som broken ones and I have a load of same cards
00:15.53Triztso it's kind of 50/50 if I pick a card that works and the worst thing is that I won't need that card for long, just the default setup before I can start to use the gigabit nic
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11:08.13mickenBSDwhoa
11:13.07AMBER^INCello
11:15.19ironfisty0
11:16.12AMBER^INChi iron
11:16.23AMBER^INCso you have a g3 peg
11:16.32AMBER^INCwhats it like compared to peg2
11:16.39AMBER^INCi never tried a peg1 b4
11:17.55ironfistthe peg1 is ok for most tasks
11:18.23ironfistwe used to run peg.org on it for 1.5 year (first the G4 prototype and later the G3)
11:19.22AMBER^INCcool
11:22.04AMBER^INCim getting a new peg2 on monday
11:22.49NekoXPI thought you resold them, don't you have a lot already? :D
11:22.58AMBER^INCno its for me
11:23.07NekoXPtake one from stock? that's what I did :D
11:23.09AMBER^INCi sold my other one
11:23.34NekoXPalthough since I left mine on the desk in a proper box I actually sent it to a developer a couple months ago
11:23.38NekoXPthat was kind of stupid :)
11:23.59AMBER^INCi made money on it
11:24.23AMBER^INCsomeone bought it on ebay
11:24.47AMBER^INChow are you today Neko
11:24.50AMBER^INC??
11:25.21NekoXPbored
11:25.33NekoXPI am coding for ppczone and I got some mysql/pam stuff to work out
11:25.38AMBER^INCcan you get me unbanned from morphos channell i was unbanned earlier but then the bot asperger auto banned me from the banlist
11:25.43NekoXPno I can't
11:25.51NekoXPwe don't run that channel or this one
11:26.00AMBER^INCoh cool
11:26.09AMBER^INChave you any php to do
11:28.05AMBER^INCwhats the point of ppczone if everything is going to be cell in the future
11:28.12AMBER^INCid call it cellzone
11:31.09ironfistthe cell isn't exactly suited for desktop ..
11:31.15AMBER^INCdo you still get many vaporware orders matt
11:31.25AMBER^INCi know
11:31.27NekoXPI don't deal with those guys anymore
11:31.35NekoXPCell *is* ppc
11:31.43AMBER^INCbut it interpret any cpu
11:31.47NekoXPno it doesn't
11:32.03NekoXPit's a dual  threaded in-order PowerPC core with 5-8 SPUs attached
11:32.17AMBER^INCsounds nice
11:32.44AMBER^INCwhat the fsb
11:33.05AMBER^INCand ghz ratings
11:33.11NekoXPwho cares
11:33.18NekoXPthey are the least important things on a CPU like that
11:34.11AMBER^INCi thought the speed at whitch instruction travelled would be a major factor in speed
11:34.30AMBER^INCthe fsb is one of the main things
11:35.17AMBER^INCim so bored
11:35.33AMBER^INCmade a bounty for mos on efika donations
11:36.01AMBER^INCsubmitted my comp to peg world
11:36.27AMBER^INCjust general diggery
11:37.41AMBER^INCso why dont you run pegasos-uk anymore??
11:37.58NekoXPbecause I live in Texas
11:38.10AMBER^INCcool
11:38.17AMBER^INCdid you move over there
11:38.31AMBER^INCwhere were you from?? in uk
11:38.34NekoXPno I just visited for a week and shut down the company before I went
11:38.58AMBER^INCso your originally from usa
11:39.01NekoXPno
11:39.24AMBER^INCok lol
11:39.40AMBER^INCwhy dont you put it back online and ill run it
11:40.02NekoXPno fucking way okay?
11:40.07NekoXPyou do your OWN reselling
11:40.17AMBER^INCits a good domain name
11:40.24AMBER^INCseem a shame to waste it
11:41.00AMBER^INCoh well thought it would be a good idea more sales
11:41.11AMBER^INCill host it or pay for hosting
11:41.14AMBER^INC??
11:41.47AMBER^INCwe should have a genesi-uk website over here
11:41.53AMBER^INCor pegeasos-uk
11:42.22AMBER^INCits a good idea
11:43.01AMBER^INCtake proper credit card payment for genesi and have loads in stock over here and shipp em out
11:43.21AMBER^INCand i will handle customer returns and support
11:43.22NekoXPno
11:43.34NekoXPdidn't I tell you I refuse to have this happen :)
11:44.05AMBER^INCno problem
11:44.23AMBER^INCthink its very good idea though
11:44.48AMBER^INCyou should get it back up online
11:45.38AMBER^INCmay i speak on in private about it
11:45.51AMBER^INCor give me a ring
11:47.02NekoXPno
11:47.30NekoXPthere is nothing to talk about: pegasos.co.uk is mine, genesi.co.uk is company owned. if you put a site at genesi-uk.com and claim to represent us, I will call your ISP :)
11:48.01AMBER^INCim not going to do that
11:48.51NekoXPgood. end of discussion then
11:49.59AMBER^INCok whatever
11:50.44AMBER^INCwell you not doing much are you
11:51.45NekoXPjust because you don't hear it doesn't mean it is not happening
11:51.55NekoXPplease when I ask you nicely to leave a channel, do it
12:28.19AMBER^INCsorry i went out look ing after my duaghter today
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13:09.48lisardmanAMBER^INC!!
13:09.57AMBER^INChello
13:10.09ironfistbärnsten!
13:10.14lisardmanwhat do you think about mupper
13:10.23ironfistmupper rulez
13:10.25AMBER^INCcool
13:10.32AMBER^INCi support it
13:10.56lisardmanok
13:11.13AMBER^INCwaiting to get instalable version or can you unpack mklivecd
13:11.50lisardmanwhy do you want a rescue-cd to be instalable
13:11.58AMBER^INCwe may pay to get it rebadged AmberOS
13:12.17AMBER^INCi want it to be a fully operational system
13:12.31AMBER^INCwith x webbrowsers 3d drivers
13:13.05AMBER^INCinstalable with some partition editor
13:13.19lisardmanok
13:13.27lisardmanhow much do you want to pay?
13:13.33AMBER^INCsome cool desktop backgrounds and nicer icans and a small dock like stardock or osx's
13:13.58AMBER^INCnot kde or gnome
13:13.59lisardmanwhich wm does have that?
13:14.24AMBER^INCit would have to be an addon
13:14.41lisardmanI am not ready to make an own wm
13:14.46AMBER^INCjust a little hidable dock would be ok
13:14.59NekoXPhow much do you want to pay? :)
13:15.19AMBER^INCim not sure
13:15.39AMBER^INCi was thinking of getting into making it myself from scratch
13:15.53lisardmanok..  would be nice
13:16.38AMBER^INCjust configuure it and change the name around and new wallpaper and icans
13:16.52AMBER^INCsuppose kde would be the best to mess about with
13:17.03lisardmanWell right now I don't have the time to make a new instalable mupper.  We did discuss this on mail..
13:17.20lisardmanI am into a new project now..    Just maintaining mupper
13:17.31AMBER^INCwhat you upto
13:17.43lisardmanthat is a secret..
13:17.46ironfistneeds many points to know
13:17.48lisardmanwon't tell
13:18.00AMBER^INClol
13:18.03ironfist:)
13:20.54AMBER^INCwe can all use another linux distro but mupper is pegasos specific
13:21.05AMBER^INCshould keep it going
13:21.25AMBER^INCupdate it and charge for download iso
13:21.52lisardmannooooooo...  that is bad..
13:22.14AMBER^INCwhy?
13:22.53lisardmanimho..  I think that if a person find it useful he could donate if he thinks it is good and if it works for him..
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13:23.04micken_vaxåäö
13:23.07lisardmannot first pay. then test , and the software suxx
13:23.17lisardmanmicken_vax, verkar vara bogus tecken
13:23.18lisardman:P
13:23.24micken_vaxskit
13:23.30mickenBSDåäö ?
13:23.31AMBER^INClolol
13:23.35lisardmanmicken_vax, skojjar med dig..
13:23.44micken_vaxaha
13:23.47micken_vaxfint
13:24.00lisardmanironfist, dina åäö funkar inte..
13:24.15lisardmanAMBER^INC, test, use , then donate
13:24.44AMBER^INCi thin update/installable/charge
13:25.54AMBER^INCoo la la la oo la la la la
13:26.29lisardmanmicken_vax, throw it out..
13:26.40lisardmanuse turtle-wax instead
13:26.40micken_vaxnever in my life :)
13:27.06micken_vaxit's the disks
13:28.22micken_vaxairplane disks
13:30.15lisardmanthey suxx
13:34.22micken_vax71%+
13:34.36micken_vaxwrong
13:34.41micken_vax71Mhz+
13:38.07micken_vaxbootrom shows 71Mhz , but it's a bit faster
13:38.24lisardmanfeels slow..
13:38.29lisardmanjust like the SS5:s
13:38.56micken_vaxen av de snabbaste vaxarna iaf
13:39.42lisardmanmen vad är så coolt med vax då?
13:41.21micken_vaxdet är vax heltenkelt :)
13:42.25lisardmandet är väl ocoolt?
13:42.37micken_vaxneh
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14:00.10ironfistfghfgh
14:00.38micken_vaxjust så
14:06.32micken_vaxmmmm kaffe
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14:25.15MasterTomDoes it play Yahoo-Games?
14:25.52micken_vax?
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15:22.05ironfist"Seller charges sales tax for items shipped to: GA* (4.000%), NV* (6.500%), WA* (6.500%), WI* (5.000%)."
15:22.16ironfisttänk om vi hade samma moms som i georgia ..
15:22.30ironfistlos kamelos!
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16:05.28lisardmanhowhow
16:19.00kamelryttarnhttp://www.casacabana.com/cachimba.html
16:19.02kamelryttarnvill ha
17:30.12ironfistheh, du och dina ciggarrer
17:30.45dholmironfist: han har tillräckligt med cigarrer för att bada i dem
17:31.00ironfistkanske dax att börja röka några? ;)
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18:37.35corpsiclevad för HDD kontrollers har peg 2 ?
18:41.27lisardmanhd kontrollers?
18:41.45lisardmanvanliga IDE-kontakter sitter där
18:42.50corpsicleok
19:02.43dholmVIA
19:04.41kozz"inte bara rent, utan överraskande rent"
19:15.08dholm"inte bara kock, utan överraskande kock"
19:30.50mickenBSDsuck
19:31.14mickenBSDvarför måste "configure" alltid testa en massa som inte behövs ..
19:31.28mickenBSDf77 tex
19:33.49kozzgår för snabbt att kompilera programmet ananrs
19:34.04dholmmickenBSD: har frågat mig samma sak, och varför kan den inte använda en global config.cache
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20:38.35kamelryttarnhttp://www.netgear.com/products/details/SC101.php
20:38.44kamelryttarnnetgear har börjat tillverka brödrostar
20:38.55kamelryttarnhttp://www.tranquilpc-shop.co.uk/acatalog/SC101_front_iso-(2).jpg
20:44.28lisardmankamelryttarn, haha
20:45.31kamelryttarn:)
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21:25.07smfGGS:  Ello, 3.5 - 2.5" hd adaptern som du säljer..vart tar den strömen ifrån?
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23:17.10AMBER^INCplease can you stop me getting banned from morphos chanel... asperger keeps kicking me
23:17.48ironfistnoone knows who owns asperger
23:18.01ironfistzapek perhaps?
23:18.34AMBER^INCcome on plz
23:19.11NekoXP_ralph has control on it... but AMBER^INC, you are not being let back in.
23:19.13ironfistppl talked about it all day and noone answered who owns asperger
23:19.14NekoXP_just leave it
23:19.51AMBER^INCyour loss
23:20.25AMBER^INCwhy not
23:20.43AMBER^INCyour are very unreasonable
23:21.21AMBER^INCwhat up dont you like us selling pegasos's
23:22.00AMBER^INCnot if ive done anything out of order
23:22.16AMBER^INCno i wont leave it i think its ridiculous
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23:30.12NekoXP_you got banned and you will have to deal with it
23:30.46NekoXP_I don't mind you dealing Pegasos boards but 1) you don't do it as genesi, 2) you try not to tell people about your drug smoking habits on irc, 3) no arguing with customers on forums and 4) don't piss Ralph off
23:31.41NekoXP_it all reflects on us because we chose to deal with you against some advise from other people
23:32.27AMBER^INCdrug smoking habbits lol
23:33.04AMBER^INCwhat i load of balls
23:33.16NekoXP_I have 3 people who said so and they produced log files
23:33.24NekoXP_even if you were joking it's not good behaviour
23:33.41AMBER^INCwhat ever
23:34.42NekoXP_and seriously, if I even get a hint of you doing something weird, you'll never buy a board again. Not even from the web store.
23:35.13NekoXP_I think we made that clear the other day
23:35.24NekoXP_I guess I don't need to write that email now :)
23:35.26AMBER^INCwhat do you meen by wierd
23:35.49AMBER^INCdo as you wish im only here to help people and give my opinion
23:35.52NekoXP_no posting on moobunny that you heard a great rumour about a ppc laptop
23:36.05NekoXP_no "hey I am gonna team up with Matt and be Genesi UK"
23:36.25AMBER^INCi didnt put that on moobunny
23:37.03NekoXP_yeah someone from your area in the country did. It's from the same cache proxy as your NTL address is
23:37.07AMBER^INCobviosly we are not going to work together ever
23:37.12AMBER^INCshame really
23:37.15NekoXP_it would be very strange if it wasn't you
23:37.41NekoXP_maybe someone who lives on your street!
23:38.00AMBER^INCsomebody has copied the server stuff and put it there dummy
23:38.20NekoXP_somebody would have to be John Shepard
23:38.25AMBER^INCto make it look exzra authentic
23:38.29NekoXP_and no, he isn't faking IP addresses
23:38.54NekoXP_you can't use the NTL transparent proxy unless you're on NTL
23:38.54AMBER^INCwell i didnt say i was teaming up with you on moobunny
23:39.23AMBER^INCand i put the ppc laptop on there just to see the hits and replies it would get
23:39.37AMBER^INCwhat do you think im trying to do?
23:39.41NekoXP_ah so you did do it then
23:39.44NekoXP_why did you lie and say it wasn't you?
23:39.49AMBER^INCthe ppc laptop one
23:39.50AMBER^INCyes
23:40.01AMBER^INCbut not teaming up and coming genesi uk
23:40.06NekoXP_that was in #morphos
23:40.18AMBER^INCit was an thought thats all
23:40.37AMBER^INCyou know there is no genesi uk site
23:40.43AMBER^INCand you could sell more
23:40.46NekoXP_that is because there is no Genesi UK
23:41.02AMBER^INCwake up smell the coffee
23:41.03AMBER^INCaint it a shame
23:41.04NekoXP_if you order from the US website we ship to the UK. If people ask we direct them to you (we've done this 3 times now
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23:41.35AMBER^INCyou not going to send them to amigakit are you lol
23:42.33NekoXP_actually the stock response is that they should contact you and AmigaKit seems to have some in stock but we can't confirm it
23:42.40AMBER^INCa proper corporate genesi uk website with credit card orders online
23:42.54NekoXP_we have a proper corporate genesi website with credit card orders online
23:43.06AMBER^INCyou need one specailly for uk
23:43.10NekoXP_no we don't
23:43.17AMBER^INCexactlky the same but in ££
23:43.32AMBER^INCand fast land shipping
23:43.33NekoXP_you know how many orders we have had from the UK in the last 6 months?
23:43.45AMBER^INCcome on im not daft just stupid lol
23:43.48NekoXP_zero. We sent them all to you.
23:44.00NekoXP_if we ship from the US it gets to the UK in 3 or 4 days.
23:44.14NekoXP_I am sure of the quality of the hardware because I build them all
23:44.19AMBER^INCbeleive me with the right website you would sell them
23:44.21NekoXP_we don't sell any bare boards there
23:44.29NekoXP_only an ODW or two I think?
23:44.36NekoXP_we had an Irish journalist have one on loan
23:44.52NekoXP_we're not letting people build ODWs yet and probably won't before the OSW is out
23:46.57AMBER^INCis the media centre myth tv linux ready for shipping?
23:47.06NekoXP_that's a matter of price: it's not possible for a reseller to buy boards in sufficient quantities, and then system parts, and source stuff from In-Win for the cases and spare PSUs, and still make a profit, without charging more than we do at Genesi store
23:47.33AMBER^INCwe can charge slighlt more
23:47.39NekoXP_we already had complaints when the G3 boards cost nearly the same as the G4 ones.. it meant G3 boards weren't sold and G4 boards made very little profit
23:47.45AMBER^INCbecuase of the shipping differences
23:47.52NekoXP_who would buy it from you if it cost more?
23:48.28AMBER^INCbecuase people like to buy there items from the country that they live in
23:49.17NekoXP_nobody has minded since, we get orders from germany, france, strange pacific islands, new zealand, australia
23:49.25AMBER^INCwhat what do you reckon in GBP i could sell a pegasos II for and make a tiny some for admin and maintainance of the website
23:49.37NekoXP_I have no idea
23:49.50NekoXP_but you are not maintaining our website, I just said this
23:50.00AMBER^INCthats what i meen there is very large threshold on cost
23:50.47AMBER^INCwe should be breaking the £300 barrier @ £299 that would be nice  ...would it be possible
23:51.04AMBER^INCmy website
23:51.25NekoXP_I know how much you bought them for and I know how much you can get a disk, Radeon, USB2 card, DVD+RW and 512MB stick and case of exactly the right brands, to make an ODW. Then you would have to very carefully build it. It's impossible to do it in the UK and sell for $799 or equivalent
23:51.53AMBER^INCi wouldnt weant odws stuff
23:51.57AMBER^INCwont
23:51.57NekoXP_you can't sell for #299 and make a profit if you aren't VAT registered
23:52.19AMBER^INCthats where you step in
23:52.22AMBER^INClol
23:52.24NekoXP_bplan tack on 20% German VAT which means it costs more for the customer
23:53.00AMBER^INCi pay the vat becuase im not vat registered yet
23:53.03NekoXP_they don't for us because we are in the US, plus we have a special contract for shipping which means Genesi USA as an entity pays much less
23:53.44ironfistneko: have you ever gotten distcc to crosscompile ppc-code on x86 and vice versa?
23:53.47NekoXP_we don't need a UK branch. If you order from the US, you pay X, shipping is Y, and customs is 17.5% of X on top :)
23:54.12AMBER^INCthats what im saying?
23:54.24NekoXP_ironfist, no, never. I tried it once but I could never work out how I could make it use the PPC compiler, yet also work for my x86 boxes too. Distcc for PPC on an x86 box was useless to me
23:54.40AMBER^INC;-)
23:54.40NekoXP_eventually I just put another pegasos
23:54.51NekoXP_AMBER^INC, it is fine as it is
23:54.56NekoXP_we are not changing it
23:55.15ironfistneko: ok..  i've been trying here for an hour or so and it b0rks .. guess it doesn't work then ;)
23:55.15AMBER^INCno problem but you would sell more
23:55.20NekoXP_no we wouldn't
23:55.35NekoXP_ironfist, crosscompiling is a strange beast :(
23:55.41AMBER^INCit would be damn sight cheaper for uk costomers
23:55.41ironfistjepp ..
23:56.02NekoXP_AMBER^INC, it isn't. Remember I ran a UK dealer and I was VAT registered, and you could STILL buy it cheaper from the US store
23:56.03ironfisttoo bad though.. have a gentoo-server just as SVN now.. would be nice to use it for distcc aswell
23:56.30AMBER^INCjust but ofter the import and high shipping its about the same
23:56.38AMBER^INCor a bit cheaper
23:57.19AMBER^INCyes but you dont run one now your in usa arnt you

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