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| 09:42.17 | lisardhjo | hmmm |
| 09:42.22 | lisardhjo | här var det dött idag.. |
| 09:43.01 | dholm | yep |
| 09:46.52 | lisardhjo | mmm |
| 09:47.03 | lisardhjo | alla verkar köra gentoo.. för ingen har problem |
| 10:15.02 | lisardhjo | så ny ramminne till peggen |
| 10:15.07 | lisardhjo | blev 512mb |
| 10:15.14 | lisardhjo | då får vi se hur den mår av det |
| 10:42.19 | dholm | köpte du av fläskhästen? |
| 10:47.19 | lisardhjo | ja av svullonissen |
| 10:48.17 | lisardhjo | bra pris fick jag av han så... |
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| 13:22.51 | kozz | hmm |
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| 16:10.53 | TCD | lisardman: is it possible to create linux distro only for pegasos users, special version with everything compiled and ready to use and install? |
| 16:11.34 | Merkon | TCD: presumably, several distros already work like that, except they also work on other ppc machines. |
| 16:13.12 | TCD | Merkon: imagine easy to install and use distro with all programs, plugins, drivers etc. just for pegasos with kernel specialy compiled for pegasos |
| 16:13.20 | Merkon | TCD: problem is more what you mean by "everything" I guess. Many distros have weird ideas and only want to include source code (read: gentoo) or have ideological reasons not to include a lot of software (read: debian and others).. but there's certainly no technical reason against it. |
| 16:13.56 | dholm | gentoo has both binary and source packages.. but binary packages are only updated once per release |
| 16:14.20 | TCD | Merkon: so why our gurus won't make it, for a stupid user like me for example, just to shut my mouth |
| 16:14.58 | Merkon | TCD: you've hit upon the Great Enigma of linux, I think. :-) |
| 16:15.15 | dholm | TCD: because noone is paying us to do it? |
| 16:15.21 | TCD | hmm |
| 16:15.38 | TCD | It's time to think aboit it guys |
| 16:16.25 | dholm | I think it would be a waste of time considering the size of the potential user base |
| 16:16.26 | TCD | why suse or redhat charging the money for distros and support, maybe it;s time to do something to the pegasos |
| 16:16.57 | Merkon | TCD: there was a project for a while, pegxlin, with that kind of scheme. |
| 16:18.44 | TCD | Merko: is it pegxmac or ot's something else? |
| 16:19.22 | GGS | The aim with Linux is not to be specific for a single machine. If it were, it wouldn't be 'Linux'. |
| 16:20.21 | dholm | TCD: pegxmac is just a specialization of pegxlin |
| 16:20.39 | dholm | GGS: we are talking about distributions, not the kernel |
| 16:21.10 | GGS | Yes |
| 16:21.11 | TCD | GGS: But why not do it, what's stoping our linux gurus to do very nice distro like Linspire for example in x86 platform, easy distro with support |
| 16:22.23 | GGS | TCD, Nothing will stop anyone. But I do not think it is any point in doing it. |
| 16:22.29 | TCD | If I can have easy to install and ready to go system with all my needs I wil pay a little for it like i'm paying now for pegxmac |
| 16:22.36 | GGS | At least not for the Pegasos. |
| 16:24.06 | dholm | TCD: as long as noone is paying us we do what we thinkg is fun/interesting/etc.. |
| 16:24.30 | TCD | how much :-) |
| 16:24.35 | GGS | As I see it, ubuntu is an attempt in doing this. But they do not include restricted formats withb the distribution, which is explained on their website, why they dont. |
| 16:25.01 | dholm | GGS: nope, ubuntu is targeting several architectures, including Apple platforms and x86 |
| 16:25.08 | dholm | TCD: a lot O.O |
| 16:25.31 | GGS | Its more benefit for the Pegasos to be supported in various existing distributions. |
| 16:25.59 | GGS | dholm, yes. |
| 16:27.39 | Merko | I don't think tcd was asking for a peg-only distro, but one that caters for the peg and offers automatic installation of most the most commonly needed software. :) |
| 16:27.51 | Merko | -most |
| 16:28.51 | GGS | Several distributions already do this. |
| 16:29.46 | GGS | Which is good, and the pegasos hardware is also supported in the central linux. |
| 16:30.23 | GGS | However there is differences in linux distributions between different platforms/architectures. |
| 16:31.46 | GGS | If you install the same distributions on x86 and PowerPC it might not look exactly the same. |
| 16:32.21 | TCD | GGS: maybe not but it's the same idea |
| 16:32.49 | GGS | It might also be that some software only exist for a specific architecture. |
| 16:34.30 | TCD | GGS: so you think my idea is wrong, to create nice linux version tergeting us, pegasos users? |
| 16:34.53 | GGS | TCD, I think so yes. |
| 16:35.12 | TCD | hmm |
| 16:35.41 | TCD | GGS: I believe I can find support form you, what a dissapoiment :-( |
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| 16:35.58 | TCD | ok food time |
| 16:38.40 | GGS | TCD, I was checking the guide regarding Java on ubuntu yesterday evening. It seems not to be exactly correct, at least not for the 1.5 IBM Java. The best in my opinion would that that information presented on ubuntu would be 100% correct. |
| 16:39.05 | GGS | But the 1.5 is also a beta. |
| 16:40.31 | Merkon | I doubt anyone will hack his psu connector to fit it into the wrong socket, though. ;) |
| 17:01.43 | GGS | Merkon, Ok, in the english manual ? |
| 17:03.07 | GGS | I was reading one year ago, that thanks to MySQL the turn over in the database industry have shrinked with at least over 50%. |
| 17:04.22 | GGS | Maybe this turn over have moved toother areas. |
| 17:04.26 | Merkon | GGS: no, the german one. |
| 17:04.35 | GGS | MOk. |
| 17:04.39 | GGS | Ok |
| 17:04.47 | Merkon | GGS: you only gave me a german manual, remember? :) (it's ok, I understand enough german for a manual :) |
| 17:05.01 | GGS | Yes, |
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| 17:29.30 | geekboy | I have a gentoo question with booting anyone here that can help me? |
| 17:32.42 | kozz | please just ask the question, then we will see if someone can answer |
| 17:33.21 | TCD | GGS: I Installed java but not following ubuntu guide |
| 17:33.31 | geekboy | VFS: Cannot open root device "hda1" or unknown-block(3,1) please append a correct "root=" boot option |
| 17:33.53 | GGS | TCD, Yes, I understand that. |
| 17:34.00 | kozz | geekboy: are you sure you have a root filesystem on hda1? |
| 17:34.05 | TCD | GGS: I just linked library in bin folder into mozilla plugins folder, job done |
| 17:34.44 | GGS | TCD, Yes, it works to it that way, but that not the way suggested on ubuntu website. |
| 17:34.45 | geekboy | kozz: yup. but I did not build in the amiga partition scheme into the kernel |
| 17:35.09 | geekboy | someone just asked that question. would that cause the problem? |
| 17:36.00 | GGS | TCD, Om ubuntu they suggest using the install-updates command |
| 17:36.05 | geekboy | hda1 is ext3 hda2 is swap |
| 17:36.21 | kozz | possibly, if you have an amiga partion table |
| 17:36.44 | kozz | is it a new installation or did you just update the kernel so it stopped working? |
| 17:37.50 | geekboy | new install |
| 17:38.03 | geekboy | from stage1 |
| 17:39.16 | TCD | geekboy: forget gentoo, install ubuntu, we will guide you mate :-) |
| 17:39.27 | kozz | ok, tried to boot from the cd and rebuild the kernel? |
| 17:39.56 | geekboy | Doing that now. With the rdb partitions built into the kernel |
| 17:40.48 | kozz | good, might solve the problem, very hard to know whats the problem is with just the error message you showed, but it might solve it |
| 17:41.19 | geekboy | TCD: never used ubuntu. Is it source based? |
| 17:41.26 | TCD | wipe the drive, low format and..... install ubuntu |
| 17:41.42 | kozz | TCD: let him use what he want ;) |
| 17:41.47 | TCD | geekboy: ask kozz, he's ubuntu guru here :-) |
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| 18:00.13 | geekboy | lesson learned if you have rdb then you must specify amiga partition scheme in the kernel :D |
| 18:00.42 | TCD | so it works then, right? |
| 18:02.10 | geekboy | yup. One of the Duhhhh moments. |
| 18:02.30 | TCD | gooooodd |
| 18:03.04 | geekboy | Thank you for your help. now time to get the rest of the stuff built. |
| 18:04.05 | TCD | geekboy: i"m using ubuntu right now, so I stick with this option for a while |
| 18:28.43 | lisardman | TCD, mupper == pegasos only |
| 18:32.22 | lisardman | geekboy, where is your kernel located? |
| 18:33.38 | TCD | lisardman: good :-) |
| 18:33.40 | geekboy | lisardman: found the problem. It was that I did not have amiga partitions built into the kernel and I was using rdb |
| 18:33.54 | lisardman | geekboy, good :P |
| 18:34.01 | lisardman | TCD, so use mupper :P |
| 18:34.28 | geekboy | yeah. :) Thanks for your reply's. |
| 18:34.36 | TCD | lisardman: I'M proud ubuntu user (is Gunne araoud here?) |
| 18:36.02 | lisardman | hehehe |
| 18:37.10 | TCD | lisardman: I'm quite happy with my ubuntu linux, but maybe I will try to install gentoo form stage1 some time |
| 18:37.19 | lisardman | hmm |
| 18:37.26 | lisardman | stage3 is enough |
| 18:38.05 | TCD | lisardman: but i'm freak, I want everything as fast as possible |
| 18:38.55 | lisardman | hmm |
| 18:39.10 | lisardman | well time to watch Tratten o finkel |
| 18:46.46 | geekboy | okay next question. The system is not mounting my /usr upon boot and because of that some things are failing during boot. I can mount just fine after I login. any suggestions to check? |
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| 19:06.28 | kozz | geekboy: is /usr on a other partition? have you added it to fstab? |
| 19:06.33 | kozz | /etc/fstab even |
| 19:07.03 | mejde | wtf?!?! "Other OS'es (eg windows) also have this 'Safely remove' required thing |
| 19:07.03 | mejde | " |
| 19:07.15 | kozz | huh? |
| 19:07.55 | mejde | http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19479 |
| 19:10.40 | kozz | well, yes windows has the the option 'Safely remove', don't know if you have to use it tho |
| 19:11.08 | kozz | I usually don't unmount flash-card on my linux computer, but never had that problem |
| 19:11.46 | kozz | if you see the light flashing while removing it is easy to just wait some secs |
| 19:12.15 | mejde | kozz: exactly what does "safely remove" mean? (å nå'n speciell anledning till att vi snackar engelska? =) |
| 19:12.40 | kozz | öhm, nä, snackade det nyss bara :) |
| 19:12.48 | mejde | hehe |
| 19:13.28 | ironfist | mejde: typ stänga av minnet |
| 19:13.49 | ironfist | och avmontera .. i linux bör du ju köra umount först t.ex |
| 19:14.12 | mejde | safely remove är en option i windows? |
| 19:14.18 | ironfist | ja |
| 19:14.19 | ironfist | klart |
| 19:14.21 | kozz | ja, helt klart, massa popup om det |
| 19:14.43 | mejde | som gör? |
| 19:14.45 | ironfist | du får ju upp en ikon för USB nere i systray .. där dubbelklickar du och väljar "Stoppar" |
| 19:14.52 | mejde | ok |
| 19:14.56 | ironfist | så stänger den av minnet och du kan ta ut den utan en ful popup |
| 19:15.02 | kozz | ser väl till precis det du snackar om, att allt e kopierat |
| 19:15.35 | kozz | eller iof, vet att det kan vara problem att bara dra ut kortet om man monterar det manuellt |
| 19:15.41 | geekboy | kozz: yup it's in fstab right after / |
| 19:16.19 | kozz | montering försvann och alla program som ville läsa från den katalogen hängde sig, men sedan hal kom och den fungerar monteringen så har det gått bra att bara ta ut kortet |
| 19:16.26 | mejde | ironfist: utan en ful popup? om man inte har på det kommer det en ful popup efter kopiering? |
| 19:17.45 | mejde | kozz: inte i breezy... de körde med sync innan men i breezy togs sync bort |
| 19:18.03 | kozz | geekboy: ok, sure the line is correct? :) |
| 19:18.45 | kozz | mejde: jo, om man är säker på att den kopierat klart, får inte ha för brottom ;) |
| 19:19.58 | geekboy | kozz: yup I can do a mount /usr and it mounts just fine after I login |
| 19:20.57 | kozz | geekboy: what options? |
| 19:27.50 | mejde | så, upd buggen nu... f-n om han stänger den igen |
| 19:28.05 | mejde | vad gör macos? |
| 19:29.40 | mejde | ironfist, dholm, <annan macos användare>? |
| 19:30.51 | geekboy | kozz: /dev/hdb2 /usr ext3 noauto,noatime 0 1 |
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| 19:32.06 | kozz | as I thought, remove noauto a try again :) |
| 19:37.13 | mejde | macos accepterar säkert bara devices som steve jobs välsignat och därmed är det inga problem... hehe :p |
| 19:43.14 | ironfist | macos är bara att peta in minnet i |
| 19:43.17 | ironfist | självklart |
| 19:43.39 | mejde | buffrar inte alltså? |
| 19:43.49 | ironfist | vaddå buffrar? |
| 19:43.59 | ironfist | vad är det du gör? |
| 19:44.29 | mejde | i minnet... kopiering blir färdig innan datan faktiskt skrivits till devicet |
| 19:45.20 | mejde | sven svensson rycker ut devicet och tror att allt är frid å fröjd... men icke... |
| 19:45.37 | ironfist | så ska det inte göra |
| 19:45.45 | ironfist | får väl vänta tills det slutar blinka i minnet |
| 19:45.48 | mejde | tycker inte jag heller |
| 19:46.02 | geekboy | kozz: will do :) we'll see what happens |
| 19:46.23 | lisardman | hmm where is sir-hemp-alot |
| 19:46.32 | mejde | ironfist: tydligen kan vissa devices paja om man skriver direkt... |
| 19:46.44 | lisardman | :P |
| 19:46.51 | mejde | ironfist: därför dom slog av sync |
| 19:47.00 | ironfist | ok |
| 19:47.03 | ironfist | ja jag har ingen aning |
| 19:47.06 | lisardman | ironfist! |
| 19:47.09 | ironfist | mitt usb-minne har aldrig strulat |
| 19:47.12 | ironfist | mike! |
| 19:47.17 | ironfist | mike: tror han gömmer sig i källaren |
| 19:47.24 | lisardman | jag glor på tratten o finkel |
| 19:47.27 | lisardman | det är coolt |
| 19:47.44 | ironfist | nice |
| 19:47.56 | lisardman | mm |
| 19:48.04 | mejde | ironfist: näe, tycker också aldrig det varit några problem och aldrig hört talas om det heller... screw folk som köper crappiga usb minnen, får skylla sig själva |
| 19:48.15 | geekboy | kozz: Sweet worked Thanks. |
| 19:48.20 | ironfist | mejde: precis |
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| 20:49.35 | ChaoZer | gentoo suger |
| 20:50.55 | ChaoZer | åååh va mkt det suger |
| 20:51.13 | ChaoZer | åååÅÅååååh herreguuUUuuuud |
| 20:51.59 | mejde | /ignore ChaoZer |
| 20:52.25 | ChaoZer | ash då :) skit samma då |
| 20:52.32 | ChaoZer | jag försökte bara väcka folk .).. så dött |
| 20:53.17 | ChaoZer | fast erkänn pegasos är ganska kass om man jämför med modern pc hårdvara. |
| 20:56.47 | GGS | så, ni tycker att pegasos är kass ? |
| 20:57.08 | ChaoZer | haha |
| 20:57.15 | ChaoZer | GGS: jag visste du skulle vakna av det iaf =) |
| 20:57.28 | GGS | Jaså. :-) |
| 20:57.37 | ChaoZer | GGS: nä .. jag diggar pegasos.. men den ligger ju lite efter pc hårdvara. |
| 20:57.55 | GGS | Jaha. |
| 20:58.17 | ChaoZer | men det hindrade mig inte från att köpa en ändå :) |
| 20:58.45 | GGS | Jag funderar på. det skulle nog behövas skrivas en ambient tutorial. |
| 20:59.03 | ChaoZer | GGS: men kom igen :).. kolla bara vilken burk det blev med den vi plockade ihop .... |
| 20:59.12 | ChaoZer | GGS: nej |
| 20:59.15 | ChaoZer | GGS: men en manual |
| 20:59.25 | ChaoZer | GGS: en manual i PDF vore nåt |
| 20:59.49 | mejde | amigaguide! |
| 20:59.58 | GGS | Ja, kanske en tutorial kan leda till en manual. |
| 21:00.10 | ChaoZer | vi behöver verkligen nån som skriver en ordentlig manual |
| 21:00.23 | ChaoZer | helst i ett openoffice dokument |
| 21:00.46 | mejde | amigaguide lever |
| 21:00.54 | ChaoZer | verkligen du.... |
| 21:01.05 | ChaoZer | GGS: vill du anta utmaningen ?:) |
| 21:01.10 | GGS | Visualguide |
| 21:01.49 | ChaoZer | GGS: gärna en på svenska oxo ;) |
| 21:02.05 | GGS | chaozer. Kanske. Jag brukar dock alltid bli avbruten, så svårt att bedriva projekt. |
| 21:02.39 | ChaoZer | nåja .. vi skulle ju hjälpas åt på det.. så skulle du få CVS tillgång så du kunde uploada nya versioner :) |
| 21:02.57 | ChaoZer | för det skulle ju behöva uppdateras hela tiden....:) |
| 21:03.13 | GGS | Just det. |
| 21:04.12 | ChaoZer | sen kunde man ju fixa till grammatiska misstag åså ;).. (du gör lite sånna ibland)... men det är ju enkelt gjort. |
| 21:04.39 | ChaoZer | snygg layout på manualen med bra kategorier och indelning .. och lite tips rutor här å där etc :) |
| 21:04.45 | GGS | Jaså, gör jag gramatiska misstag ? .-) |
| 21:04.56 | ChaoZer | verkar inte vara nån annan som är villig nämligen |
| 21:04.59 | ChaoZer | mjo :) |
| 21:06.03 | ChaoZer | lite här å där :) |
| 21:07.19 | ChaoZer | GGS: men det är ju som sagt enkelt å slipa till :) |
| 21:07.38 | GGS | Jag kan börja på det. Dock är det redan massa grejor jag skulle gjort som inte är gjorda. |
| 21:07.56 | ChaoZer | illa :) |
| 21:08.19 | ChaoZer | men ambient är ju "hjärtat" i morphOS ...behövs en bra manual till det :) |
| 21:08.42 | ChaoZer | GGS: om du vll kan du skriva den på svenska .. så fixar jag en översättning :) |
| 21:09.00 | GGS | Jo, det behövs en manual till Ambient, helt klart. |
| 21:09.47 | GGS | Det är ju en variant. |
| 21:10.43 | GGS | BlackEagle behöver också ha saker att göra förstår jag :-) |
| 21:11.00 | ChaoZer | ja varsågod :) |
| 21:11.15 | ChaoZer | GGS: men om du VERKLIGEN vill göra en manual så kom in på #ambient ;) |
| 21:11.17 | GGS | Och mejde.. |
| 21:11.43 | mejde | huh? |
| 21:11.44 | GGS | Jag är på #ambient |
| 21:11.48 | ChaoZer | eh ja just ja :) |
| 21:13.30 | mejde | ambient? äsch, vem bryr sig |
| 21:15.45 | mejde | inte jag iaf... lite svårt att bry sig om mjukvara man knappt använder ;) |
| 21:18.11 | BlackEagle | jahaja |
| 21:18.35 | ChaoZer | där vakna ödlan :) |
| 21:18.46 | BlackEagle | jag spelade foobilliard |
| 21:18.49 | ChaoZer | aha |
| 21:18.52 | BlackEagle | din gamla gnu |
| 21:19.15 | ChaoZer | :) |
| 21:19.21 | BlackEagle | hmm, dholm måste ha cross-kompilerat amiscrobbler eller nåt |
| 21:19.31 | BlackEagle | jag behöver ssl libs och grejer |
| 21:19.51 | BlackEagle | amissl verkade inte funka så bra, undrar om man kan göra en openssl eller nåt |
| 21:21.59 | ChaoZer | coolt med cidersidan |
| 21:31.58 | GGS | Blackeagle, det finns openssl/ssh färdigt om du inte vill kompilera. |
| 21:35.06 | GGS | http://www.pegasos.org/index.php?name=Web_Links&req=visit&lid=72 |
| 21:36.30 | BlackEagle | aha |
| 21:36.52 | BlackEagle | tackar =) |
| 21:37.57 | BlackEagle | ligger det med i openssh då eller? |
| 21:39.48 | mejde | tänkte just fråga... på vilket sätt har openssh med openssl att göra? |
| 21:40.03 | BlackEagle | följde med, men bara binaries |
| 21:40.20 | BlackEagle | jag behöver väl includes om jag ska kunna kompilera med ssl i scrobblern |
| 21:40.23 | BlackEagle | hmm |
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| 21:43.15 | GGS | ssh kräver ssl-bibliotek. Jag kunde ivartfall inte kompilera ssh utan att först ha ssl. |
| 21:44.30 | GGS | eftersom det frågade efter ssl-bibliotek. |
| 21:45.23 | mejde | använder ssh alltid ssl? |
| 21:45.31 | BlackEagle | det låg med iaf |
| 21:46.37 | mejde | var på väg att titta efter i source:n... men bläh, vem bryr sig :) |
| 21:46.54 | GGS | mejde, Jag kan inte svara på det. Men när ssh startas här så anropas ssl-bibliotek. |
| 21:55.28 | BlackEagle | dholm: hur fan gjorde du amiscrobbler egentligen =) |
| 21:55.35 | BlackEagle | körde du cross compiler? |
| 21:58.47 | ironfist | Hemliga Algoritmer(tm) |
| 21:59.15 | mejde | dholm-hemliga ;) |
| 21:59.23 | BlackEagle | bah |
| 21:59.28 | BlackEagle | ge hit =) |
| 22:00.53 | BlackEagle | dholm: du kan ju inte skriva buggig mjukvara och ge mig inkompletta källkoder om jag ska fixa det =) |
| 22:01.06 | BlackEagle | bara för att det var några år sen är ingen ursäkt |
| 22:01.10 | BlackEagle | elle rnåt |
| 22:04.19 | ironfist | gonatt gubbs |
| 23:10.48 | dholm | BlackEagle: jag tog xmms-scrobbler, kastade bort xmms-delarna och la dit AmigaAmpg-kod... du fick den senaste källkoden som jag hade.. men vid det här laget är det nog nästan lättare att skriva om från scratch iom att de har ändrat protokollet |