| 00:00.45 | bedboi | ok. btw i think that new kppp applet is broken. |
| 00:00.50 | bedboi | i got to see what's going on there |
| 00:02.01 | zecke | BTW: does anyone think killing Yassin was plain wrong and illegal? |
| 00:03.04 | bedboi | don't have opinions regarding that |
| 00:03.20 | bedboi | btw i don't know nothing about Yassing killing |
| 00:04.35 | bedboi | what's up? |
| 00:04.51 | treke_ | I would agree that it probably wasnt a bright idea |
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| 00:07.47 | Ken | just tried to install linux on my ipac |
| 00:07.48 | Ken | ipaq |
| 00:07.56 | Ken | everything went well, when i tried to reboot nothing happens |
| 00:07.59 | Ken | ?? |
| 00:08.02 | Ken | any ideas? |
| 00:08.12 | zecke | treke_: killing some one without a trial is something which should not happen in modern societies and specially not by someone from Israel... |
| 00:08.39 | zecke | treke_: murdering a handicapped is also not right. And they even released him from custody some years ago |
| 00:09.46 | Ken | :) |
| 00:09.50 | Ken | forgot to push reset |
| 00:09.53 | Ken | just powerd off |
| 00:10.01 | zecke | treke_: so you think people deserve death penalty in general? |
| 00:10.08 | zecke | treke_: anyway I move to bed now |
| 00:10.24 | treke_ | In general? No. In specific cases? Yes I think some people deserve killing :) |
| 00:10.51 | zecke | treke_: killing or get killed |
| 00:11.14 | zecke | treke_: anyway it's late already |
| 00:11.19 | treke_ | good night. |
| 00:11.26 | zecke | treke_: do you've fun to help me on the GUI front of my image viewer? |
| 00:11.46 | treke_ | I'm going to compile it up tonight and take a look at it |
| 00:12.00 | treke_ | See how it compares to tximage |
| 00:13.11 | zecke | treke_: have an url |
| 00:13.31 | treke_ | nope. tximage is urlless, I just have some source on my drive |
| 00:13.40 | treke_ | it used to be hosted on zaurus.com |
| 00:14.18 | zecke | it still lacks a good image display widget |
| 00:14.24 | treke_ | ah |
| 00:14.33 | treke_ | might be worth stealing the one from tximage :) |
| 00:14.42 | treke_ | Dont recall what it did |
| 00:15.24 | treke_ | I like the gimp idea |
| 00:15.39 | treke_ | where you can pull up a thumbnail to use for navigation |
| 00:15.57 | zecke | hmm what is that? |
| 00:16.13 | treke_ | you have gimp installed? |
| 00:17.32 | treke_ | open an image in gimp and click on the compass in the lower right hand corner |
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| 00:18.59 | Lars_G_ | Hey all |
| 00:19.07 | Lars_G_ | I just found out abotu ewe, is it what I think? |
| 00:19.15 | treke_ | ewe? |
| 00:19.16 | Lars_G_ | is the Zurus ewe a full J2ME vm? |
| 00:19.41 | treke_ | ? Did I miss some new opie module? |
| 00:19.53 | Lars_G_ | treke_, a Java library. but which comes with what seems like a Java VM for the zaurus. |
| 00:20.05 | Lars_G_ | http://www.ewesoft.com/ |
| 00:20.24 | Lars_G_ | I wonder if this would give me Java under ipaq/opie |
| 00:20.53 | zecke | treke_: ah to navigate inside a image? yeah that is planed |
| 00:21.07 | zecke | treke_: tximage got a structure which is good |
| 00:21.26 | zecke | treke_: mine is better anyway but why did he not work on it inside of opie? did we contact him? |
| 00:21.39 | treke_ | He never did much on it |
| 00:21.45 | treke_ | just released two releases and dropped it |
| 00:22.10 | Lars_G_ | sigh nope it's a custom VM not a persjava one |
| 00:22.17 | zecke | treke_: I can read image info from GIF,JPEG,PNG |
| 00:22.30 | zecke | treke_: generate thumbnails, scaled loading of jpeg |
| 00:22.37 | treke_ | zecke: do you parse the exif stuff on jpegs? |
| 00:22.46 | zecke | treke_: yeah :} |
| 00:22.49 | treke_ | sweet |
| 00:22.59 | zecke | treke_: taken from KFile Plugins of KDE |
| 00:23.12 | treke_ | we should just switch opie over to kde :p |
| 00:23.38 | zecke | treke_: better not... or I would have to stop developing on it as well :} |
| 00:23.51 | treke_ | hahaha |
| 00:24.13 | zecke | treke_: basicly Opie Eye consists out of two processes. The slave generating thumbnail and image info |
| 00:24.15 | Lars_G_ | lol |
| 00:25.09 | zecke | treke_: the GUI features a tuneable PixmapCache. The QIconViewItems try to get a QPixmap from the cache and if that fais it requests the Thumb from the Lister |
| 00:25.33 | zecke | treke_: then we've a timer event to send the request out |
| 00:26.01 | zecke | I've the feeling it is faster than pixie plus |
| 00:26.53 | bedboi | brb |
| 00:28.20 | Lars_G_ | sigh I'm sure I'll eventualyl get java-ipaq-opie working |
| 00:28.39 | Lars_G_ | kde-pim, sigh I was fighting it these days |
| 00:28.42 | zecke | Lars_G_: why not use the ME profile from sun? |
| 00:28.52 | zecke | nite guys |
| 00:28.55 | Lars_G_ | zecke, DOes it includes awt support too? |
| 00:29.03 | Lars_G_ | zecke, woudl you share the url before you go please? |
| 00:29.11 | zecke | Lars_G_: the Mobile Profile got AWT but lacks swing |
| 00:29.18 | zecke | Lars_G_: java.sun.com :} |
| 00:29.27 | Lars_G_ | zecke, it's to be expected, swing isn't part of J2ME |
| 00:29.45 | Lars_G_ | zecke, Heh something more specific please?? ;) it's ok thanks I'll keep diggin sun |
| 00:30.09 | treke_ | zecke: the imap resource might do what I want |
| 00:30.25 | zecke | http://developers.sun.com/techtopics/mobility/personal/articles/ztutorial/index.html |
| 00:30.33 | zecke | treke_: that would be kolab |
| 00:31.10 | Lars_G_ | thanks zecke |
| 00:31.11 | treke_ | zecke: Yeah, but I'm trying to use it without kolab :) |
| 00:31.21 | treke_ | zecke: kolab is too much crap for me :p |
| 00:31.22 | Lars_G_ | is kolan functional already? I tought it was early beta |
| 00:31.37 | treke_ | Lars_G_: Contract is complete for it iirc |
| 00:31.39 | zecke | Lars_G_: 1.0 was released last year |
| 00:31.46 | Lars_G_ | well not that it helps me anyhow, kontact refuses to work and kmail is throwing random errors, it's so nasty I am switchignt o evolution... |
| 00:32.03 | zecke | Lars_G_: evolution is nasty as well |
| 00:32.07 | zecke | but I'm going to bed now |
| 00:32.15 | Lars_G_ | zecke, It is but it works, sleep well and see you around |
| 00:32.19 | treke_ | zecke: I've played with a couple different servers, and it's all really over kill since I just want my todo/calendar at home and at work :p |
| 00:32.28 | treke_ | Lars_G_: Kontact has been working pretty well for me |
| 00:32.40 | zecke | treke_: would be really kewl if you could help on the GUI part of the image viewer |
| 00:32.50 | treke_ | nod |
| 00:32.59 | Lars_G_ | treke_, What I am trying to do is share the contact todo and calendar (and maybe email) between kde, web and wap |
| 00:33.07 | zecke | treke_: So I can tackle BigScreen/PIM as well. I'm so lame/lazy when it comes to gui |
| 00:33.15 | treke_ | hehe. I'm lazy in general :p |
| 00:33.27 | zecke | treke_: Normal=Lazy |
| 00:33.37 | zecke | Lazy= more lazy than normal :} |
| 00:33.57 | treke_ | Lars_G_: Well what I was doing earlier today was running Kontact against an egroupware backend which gave me local and web. |
| 00:34.07 | treke_ | Wap would be fairly trivial to work out of that |
| 00:34.28 | treke_ | but local access was slow over my connection |
| 00:34.47 | treke_ | and still a bit brittle |
| 00:34.55 | Lars_G_ | I think that would be bad |
| 00:35.06 | treke_ | it depends |
| 00:35.13 | treke_ | Once it cached everything it wasnt too bad |
| 00:35.13 | Lars_G_ | imagine a project handled by zecke and treke, it would sound like a comedy show |
| 00:35.17 | treke_ | it was mostly load time |
| 00:35.54 | Lars_G_ | Hmmmm interesting, and reusing the DB from egroupware in a custom made wap app would be quick to code. |
| 00:36.16 | treke_ | Yup |
| 00:36.22 | Lars_G_ | did you run this local or to a remote server? |
| 00:36.31 | treke_ | egroupware was running on a remote server |
| 00:36.37 | treke_ | locally it would probably be much quicker |
| 00:36.58 | Lars_G_ | How well did kontact respond? over what kind of a link? |
| 00:37.26 | Lars_G_ | If I do this, to keep the laptop functional at all times I might set a laptop-local egroupware system whose DB is a mirror to the main one |
| 00:37.38 | treke_ | There was about 10-15 seconds initial lag when it downloads the information |
| 00:37.42 | Lars_G_ | it'd automatically sync during connection, and be readable offline |
| 00:37.47 | treke_ | after that it's kept in ram |
| 00:37.57 | Lars_G_ | but once the info is cached then it must run as quick as always |
| 00:38.02 | Lars_G_ | nice |
| 00:38.03 | treke_ | yup. |
| 00:38.20 | treke_ | I don't know how often it updates off the remote server to take into account changes |
| 00:38.37 | Lars_G_ | The DB mirror might even be a quicker response since only the sync (transactions) should pass between the DBs not the whole data (after fiorst sync) |
| 00:38.53 | treke_ | Yeah. DB syncing is black magic I dont like getting into :p |
| 00:39.01 | Lars_G_ | Lol |
| 00:40.07 | treke_ | it's still a bit rough, this stuff is all only enabled in the CVS tree :) |
| 00:40.12 | Lars_G_ | It's not that terrible as long as your system doesnt decides the fate of lots of dollars or human beings |
| 00:40.19 | treke_ | hehe |
| 00:40.36 | Lars_G_ | Yes altough kde-pim 3.3 is supposed to get out soon and have some of the groupware backs enabled by default |
| 00:40.50 | treke_ | Yeah. This is the code that is meant to be 3.3 :) |
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| 00:41.42 | treke_ | fairly stable overall since they've had fairly limited goals for the release |
| 00:42.13 | treke_ | Lars_G_: The IMAP resource also looks primising |
| 00:42.23 | treke_ | Lars_G_: Where it just stores all your info in imap mail boxes |
| 00:43.19 | Lars_G_ | Yes |
| 00:43.25 | treke_ | would require a little bit more complicated code to handle for the web interface and wap |
| 00:43.38 | treke_ | but it looks closer to what I need :) |
| 00:43.54 | treke_ | since web is something I'd like, but not really essential |
| 00:44.07 | Lars_G_ | Theoretically, IMAP+LDAP should provide most of a universal groupware, but not all programs support it all. specially server side haven't seen anything (other than SuSe's propietary code) that handles it all as a whole. |
| 00:44.20 | treke_ | that's what kolab is |
| 00:44.33 | treke_ | :) |
| 00:44.35 | Lars_G_ | But there are already made imap interfaces for web and wap |
| 00:44.55 | Lars_G_ | for web check out squirrelmail, the best webmail I've ever seen (open source or otherwise)... pretty nice |
| 00:45.06 | Lars_G_ | kolab is a wrapper over ldap+imap? |
| 00:45.28 | Lars_G_ | promissing since I can then readapt wap and web imap and ldap code to work together as client interface and be done with it |
| 00:45.31 | treke_ | Lars_G_: Well the mail aspect is pretty easy, it's extracting the calendar info from imap thats more of an annoyance |
| 00:45.34 | Lars_G_ | and handle it all through kolab |
| 00:45.40 | Lars_G_ | nod |
| 00:45.48 | treke_ | the thing I dont like about kolab is that they use their own branch of everything |
| 00:46.06 | Lars_G_ | sad |
| 00:46.13 | Lars_G_ | but safer too |
| 00:46.17 | treke_ | yeah. |
| 00:46.33 | Lars_G_ | if you work with third party so closely either you readapt your structure to the library, or patch the library |
| 00:46.35 | treke_ | I'd just as soon keep my mail system running as it is now :p |
| 00:46.51 | Lars_G_ | and patching becomes a progressive messy work wich ends up in disaster.... |
| 00:47.14 | treke_ | but the big parts of it are openldap and the imapd |
| 00:47.16 | Lars_G_ | another choice is a branch but that is as good for others as creating your own libs, it only benefits the codder not the final user. |
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| 00:47.39 | treke_ | I dont know how different these are from the actuall main trees |
| 00:47.54 | Lars_G_ | a diff might tell you :) |
| 00:48.06 | treke_ | they provide their own sed :p |
| 00:48.09 | Lars_G_ | use KDiff3 it's really cool ;) |
| 00:48.18 | Lars_G_ | they have implemented theyr own sed? nasty |
| 00:48.28 | treke_ | but at the base its postfix, openldap, proftpd, and cyrus |
| 00:48.44 | treke_ | ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/server/kolab/kolab-1.0/kolab-server-1.0/src |
| 00:48.48 | Lars_G_ | Well as long as it's all nicely fenced in to avoid conflicts with system wide elements it should not be that bad |
| 00:48.57 | Lars_G_ | afterall microsoft programmers have been doing it all theyr life |
| 00:49.09 | treke_ | Yup. it's all in it's own little corner, which is why I dont really like it :) |
| 00:49.19 | treke_ | that and its just more functionality than I care about |
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| 00:49.58 | Lars_G_ | Well see it from this viewpoint, reusing system components to that extent would create a source of unstability or possible bugs unless you perform periodic (for detecting upgrades too) compatibility tests onto your components, tedious to say the least |
| 00:50.12 | treke_ | Right. i under stand why they did it. |
| 00:50.28 | Lars_G_ | I'm going to have java on the ipaq |
| 00:50.38 | treke_ | And I'm sure it could be made to work with the system components without too much effort |
| 00:50.55 | Lars_G_ | Too sad I can't use them while connected thru the modem |
| 00:50.58 | treke_ | This is probably just for ease of support. |
| 00:51.10 | bedboi | can't find out why kppp applet is not working anymore |
| 00:51.16 | Lars_G_ | (have a one CF sleeve only, and a 16MB ipaq, not enough to push java onto main flash) |
| 00:51.23 | treke_ | hehe |
| 00:51.27 | Lars_G_ | what did you do just before it broke bedboi? |
| 00:51.29 | treke_ | go buy a second sleeve? :p |
| 00:51.32 | Ken | wow, when you said that linux w. opie was faster than wince you weren't kidding |
| 00:51.33 | bedboi | only things changed is config.in |
| 00:51.48 | Lars_G_ | treke_, What a fridge?? no way I preffer to dream that I'll get a 3700 someday |
| 00:51.58 | treke_ | A fridge? |
| 00:52.00 | bedboi | Lars_G_: i just upgraded |
| 00:52.21 | Lars_G_ | bedboi, Then something alongside that upgrade foobared your kppp, try reinstalling it :) |
| 00:52.30 | treke_ | Lars_G_: what do you mean by that? |
| 00:52.41 | Lars_G_ | treke_, Have you seen the dual CF or pcmcia sleeve for the ipaq? it's bigger than a fridge |
| 00:52.50 | treke_ | I've got a dual CF sleeve for the ipaq |
| 00:53.04 | Lars_G_ | treke_, You pass from carrying a sleek PDA to pulling around an unvitamined laptop |
| 00:53.04 | treke_ | it's the same size as my single CF was. |
| 00:53.10 | Lars_G_ | it is?..... |
| 00:53.12 | Lars_G_ | :/ |
| 00:53.13 | treke_ | yes. |
| 00:53.18 | Lars_G_ | I better check |
| 00:53.19 | treke_ | Maybe a hair smaller. |
| 00:53.27 | Lars_G_ | not that I can buy it (exchange embargo) but I will check |
| 00:53.43 | Lars_G_ | I wonder if the silver sliver was ever made for the 2 CF sleeve |
| 00:53.49 | treke_ | it was |
| 00:54.05 | Lars_G_ | wow |
| 00:54.09 | Lars_G_ | now that I'd kill for |
| 00:54.24 | treke_ | I liked the black better than the silver |
| 00:54.35 | treke_ | http://ss2andmore.homestead.com/files/ssff/ss3df.html |
| 00:55.07 | Lars_G_ | You know when I will be in total Bliss? |
| 00:55.20 | treke_ | Lars_G_: The sleeves are fairly cheap. 50 bucks |
| 00:55.26 | treke_ | http://pitech.com/hardware/iCFCF/ipCFCF_index.htm |
| 00:55.37 | Lars_G_ | When I can get a sleeve that is smaller than mine, cuter and that has 2 CFs, Bluetooth, WiFi and a second battery in it |
| 00:55.49 | treke_ | hehe. It's called a 5500 :) |
| 00:56.17 | treke_ | the 2xCF expansion with battery looks huge |
| 00:56.33 | Lars_G_ | yes almost as big as the dual pcmcia |
| 00:56.38 | Lars_G_ | Hmm the SS3 is cute |
| 00:56.39 | Lars_G_ | thanks |
| 00:56.43 | treke_ | about 10CM thicker |
| 00:57.32 | wimpies | Just put current snapshot of networksetings app in ...hh../~wimpie |
| 00:58.07 | bedboi | wimpies: are you talking to me? |
| 00:58.21 | wimpies | bedboi : to all |
| 00:58.57 | bedboi | wimpies: are you able to use kppp ? |
| 00:59.02 | bedboi | (GPRS) |
| 00:59.17 | bedboi | i don't know if i'm PEBKAC-ing |
| 00:59.31 | wimpies | I can give you ppp settings but i believe that the networking stuff is not complete ... hence the new app |
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| 01:00.40 | Lars_G_ | time to go do stuff |
| 01:00.42 | Lars_G_ | see you all |
| 01:00.43 | Lars_G_ | be well |
| 01:00.45 | wimpies | Do any of you know skinfs for qvfb ? |
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| 01:05.09 | bedboi | going to sleep |
| 01:05.14 | bedboi | see you tomorrow |
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