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| 06:41.45 | Groucho_ | hi there |
| 06:42.05 | treke|home | mornin |
| 06:42.33 | treke|home | er. probably noon |
| 06:49.39 | Groucho_ | mornin, still |
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| 07:40.14 | schurig | treke|ho1e: moin! |
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| 07:49.35 | treke|ho2e | ok. one try at multisync, then I give up and go to bed :) |
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| 07:53.46 | treke|ho2e | hrm. It's sort of working |
| 07:57.24 | Groucho_ | mutlisync ? |
| 07:57.31 | Groucho_ | multisync |
| 07:59.04 | treke|ho2e | it's a sync program that can sync with opie and evolution ( and others) |
| 08:03.56 | treke|ho2e | it seems to sync well with the local folders, but not remote folders |
| 08:07.08 | treke|ho2e | guess I'll have to poke about pilot link to see what it does |
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| 10:25.10 | willi | hi guys - is there anything special I have to take care of when installing application via the Opie Packet Manager on the SD-Card ? |
| 10:26.54 | Harlekin | normally not if ipkg is working right |
| 10:30.16 | willi | well it seems to have problems to create the links - but you think that I normally only have to select "sd" instead of root, ram, or cf and then have to select "apply changes" ? |
| 10:38.03 | Harlekin | look if thats just messages or if the links are really missing |
| 10:42.48 | willi | ... well on the system info it shows that the sd memory is completely empty |
| 10:44.54 | willi | but thanks for so long - I'll try again - but for that I've got to go outside and find a hotspot... |
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| 11:41.29 | NoRemorse | hi, what packages do I need to install when installing opie from scratch please? |
| 11:41.39 | NoRemorse | just the base stuff to get it working |
| 11:42.38 | Harlekin | NoRemorse: task-opie |
| 11:43.00 | NoRemorse | thanks |
| 11:44.06 | NoRemorse | Oh Harlekin, did you know of a bug with opie-irc that caused it to close down after connecting to a server? cos it seems to be gone now? |
| 11:44.51 | Harlekin | never saw that |
| 11:44.55 | Harlekin | which server |
| 11:45.05 | NoRemorse | irc.netspace.net.au |
| 11:45.15 | NoRemorse | it' an austnet server |
| 11:47.20 | Harlekin | seems to work |
| 11:47.31 | NoRemorse | yep tho it was intrmittent |
| 11:47.38 | Harlekin | it has a very long welcome message |
| 11:47.39 | NoRemorse | i'll let u know if I see it again |
| 11:47.42 | Harlekin | pretty stupid |
| 11:48.43 | NoRemorse | was prolly sumfin in their motd causing a buffer overflow or segfault maybe |
| 11:51.36 | NoRemorse | harlekin, task-opie has not installed bin/qpe? |
| 11:51.48 | Harlekin | it should |
| 11:51.52 | NoRemorse | I know :( |
| 11:51.57 | Harlekin | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:52.02 | Harlekin | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:52.06 | NoRemorse | I even removed/re-installed libqpe1 package |
| 11:52.16 | NoRemorse | # ls /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/qpe |
| 11:52.16 | NoRemorse | ls: /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/qpe: No such file or directory |
| 11:52.37 | Harlekin | which feed |
| 11:52.39 | Harlekin | which device |
| 11:52.56 | NoRemorse | Downloading http://openzaurus.org/official/testing/feed/libqpe1_0.9.3-20030611.1_arm.ipk |
| 11:53.01 | NoRemorse | to answer both :) |
| 11:53.05 | NoRemorse | Sl-5500 |
| 11:53.40 | Harlekin | hmm, qpe bin is in opie-taskbar |
| 11:53.58 | NoRemorse | ipkg search claims it is in libqpe1 |
| 11:54.29 | NoRemorse | ah shit no it doesnt sorry |
| 11:56.21 | NoRemorse | any way I can see the files in a .ipk? |
| 11:57.21 | NoRemorse | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 886 Jul 17 11:56 task-opie_0.9.3-20030611_arm.ipk |
| 11:57.23 | NoRemorse | look ok? |
| 11:57.31 | NoRemorse | seems small |
| 11:58.08 | Harlekin | tasfile |
| 11:58.25 | NoRemorse | !feeds |
| 11:58.35 | NoRemorse | oops wrong chan |
| 12:00.39 | dwmw2 | hmmm. opieplayer still doesn't work on 3600 |
| 12:02.42 | Harlekin | which |
| 12:03.28 | Groucho_ | works on th 3630 here |
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| 12:04.38 | dwmw2 | playing http://mp3-live-a1.ginger.com/ is all garbled. |
| 12:05.11 | ljp | yes |
| 12:07.27 | Harlekin | absolut perfect here on 38xx |
| 12:07.29 | Harlekin | op2 |
| 12:07.32 | Harlekin | the calling |
| 12:08.10 | NoRemorse | whats the bitrate? |
| 12:09.34 | NoRemorse | what url I need to put in mediaplayer to get that? |
| 12:10.01 | pb_ | dwmw2: is that a mono stream? maybe op2 doesn't correctly convert to stereo. |
| 12:10.39 | NoRemorse | no plugin found for that media? |
| 12:11.17 | NoRemorse | Downloading http://openzaurus.org/official/testing/feed/opie-mail2_0.0.9-20030611_arm.ipk |
| 12:11.22 | NoRemorse | is hanging not doing anything |
| 12:12.03 | Harlekin | dwmw2: which kernel, which sound driver? |
| 12:12.05 | ljp | figures |
| 12:13.20 | dwmw2 | not sure whether it's mono |
| 12:14.28 | Harlekin | dwmw2: which kernel, which sound driver? |
| 12:14.42 | Harlekin | the oss driver is missing an important ioctl |
| 12:15.09 | dwmw2 | 2.4.19-rmk6-pxa1-hh13 |
| 12:15.22 | dwmw2 | sa1100-audio |
| 12:16.13 | Harlekin | jup |
| 12:16.15 | Harlekin | thats it |
| 12:16.18 | Harlekin | install the alsa-modules |
| 12:20.39 | NoRemorse | how do I enter that url into op2 please? |
| 12:20.49 | NoRemorse | it says no plugin found for that media |
| 12:21.31 | Groucho_ | heh- had the same here without solution |
| 12:21.32 | Harlekin | install the codecs |
| 12:21.41 | Harlekin | Groucho_: ? |
| 12:21.45 | NoRemorse | ah thanks |
| 12:22.07 | Groucho_ | Harlekin: real audio. we had that a few days ago. |
| 12:22.09 | Harlekin | Groucho_: btw, renamed codec pack to opie-mediaplayer2-codecs now |
| 12:22.13 | goodie | the asset partition on the h38xx, is it of any importance? (managed to do a dd if=somefile of=assetpartitiondeviec |
| 12:22.14 | Harlekin | Groucho_: ? |
| 12:22.36 | Groucho_ | opē -> add URL -> StreamingURL -> play -> no codec found |
| 12:22.47 | Harlekin | which url? |
| 12:23.17 | Harlekin | hmm, wheres syphos |
| 12:23.28 | Groucho_ | Those we had tried lately- a few days ago |
| 12:23.30 | Harlekin | i need him as decryption modul for his bugreports |
| 12:23.37 | Harlekin | the url redirect stuff |
| 12:23.43 | Harlekin | yeah, xine cannot handle some of those |
| 12:23.49 | Harlekin | Groucho_: allways try what xine desktop does |
| 12:23.51 | Groucho_ | hmm... |
| 12:24.30 | NoRemorse | whats this mean again please? |
| 12:24.31 | NoRemorse | Package 3c574-modules version 2.4.19-rmk6-pxa1-hh13 has no architecture specified, defaulting to arm. |
| 12:24.40 | NoRemorse | does it mean my ipkg is fubar? |
| 12:25.42 | NoRemorse | ipkg install opie-mediaplayer2-codecs |
| 12:25.42 | NoRemorse | Package 3c574-modules version 2.4.19-rmk6-pxa1-hh13 has no architecture specified, defaulting to arm. |
| 12:25.42 | NoRemorse | Cannot find package opie-mediaplayer2-codecs. |
| 12:25.42 | NoRemorse | ? |
| 12:25.53 | Harlekin | currently its still without 2 |
| 12:25.59 | Harlekin | or you take ipks from me |
| 12:26.10 | Harlekin | but not sure if they work on openzaurus out of the box |
| 12:26.26 | NoRemorse | no this is for my ipaq harlekin |
| 12:26.37 | Harlekin | NoRemorse: email address? |
| 12:26.48 | NoRemorse | me@murf.net |
| 12:29.00 | ljp | oz and ipaq feeds call the xine codecs package something different... :( |
| 12:29.14 | Harlekin | yeah, oz choice |
| 12:29.18 | ljp | which is kinda silly |
| 12:30.25 | NoRemorse | what they called in ipaq? |
| 12:30.29 | George`ZZZzzz | hi ljp |
| 12:32.06 | NoRemorse | ARGH it was just I need a re-calibrate godamn it |
| 12:32.41 | Harlekin | NoRemorse: you got mail |
| 12:32.45 | NoRemorse | thanks |
| 12:35.54 | NoRemorse | any idea why my ipkg now gives that stupid error? |
| 12:42.49 | ljp | operator error?? |
| 12:43.05 | NoRemorse | # dmesg -c |
| 12:43.06 | NoRemorse | check backup battery ! |
| 12:43.06 | NoRemorse | split old frag 0xc2000-0xfc000 -->hole |
| 12:43.06 | NoRemorse | split old frag 0x140000-0x15b000 -->hole |
| 12:43.06 | NoRemorse | comadj = 128,ffffffff,44414d43 |
| 12:43.07 | NoRemorse | help! |
| 12:43.09 | Harlekin | operator, i need an exit |
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| 13:19.23 | dwmw2 | pb_? |
| 13:28.33 | willi | does anybody know the reason why when installing packages the packet manager often tells me: wget has a temporarily problem to resolve the hostname ? |
| 13:41.57 | pb_ | dwmw2: yo |
| 13:42.13 | dwmw2 | did you build hcid for familiar? |
| 13:42.33 | dwmw2 | are you responsible for it no longer accepting the pin_helper config option? |
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| 13:42.54 | pb_ | yes, I guess so. whoops. |
| 13:43.20 | dwmw2 | also, if it thinks it wants dbus but can't actually connect, perhaps it should start up anyway just not do any dbus-stuff? |
| 13:43.37 | pb_ | what goes wrong with pin_helper - does it spit out a syntax error, or just quietly not work? |
| 13:43.43 | dwmw2 | syntax error |
| 13:43.44 | pb_ | yes, good thinking. |
| 13:43.58 | pb_ | darn. ok, let me look at that. |
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| 13:45.40 | pb_ | dwmw2: did you try putting the pin_helper string in quotes? I think it might prefer that. |
| 13:46.02 | dwmw2 | doesn't like that either. |
| 13:46.09 | pb_ | ah. |
| 13:46.16 | dwmw2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:46.20 | dwmw2 | hcid[391]: syntax error line 26 |
| 13:46.24 | pb_ | darn |
| 13:46.47 | dwmw2 | your original patch worked fine |
| 13:47.17 | pb_ | mm, I thought that's what I'd applied to build the new packages. |
| 13:47.22 | pb_ | obviously I screwed something up along the way. |
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| 15:44.22 | Groucho_ | brb |
| 15:44.25 | Groucho_ | network reset |
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| 16:10.57 | willi | hi there - some of my progs are now running from the sd card for example: kismet and irc but other refuse to show up on the screen like wellenreiter, mailprogram and some others - any help ? |
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| 17:54.01 | Skaag | hm... after reflashing with 0.7 I can no longer sync with KitchenSync |
| 17:54.05 | Skaag | must have forgotten to do something |
| 17:54.45 | Harlekin | opie-security |
| 17:54.56 | Skaag | ah yes, need to install it |
| 17:54.58 | Skaag | thx |
| 17:56.14 | Skaag | can I search with ipkg or do i have to install another pkg for that? |
| 17:57.30 | Skaag | cool i'm synchronized |
| 17:58.21 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 17:59.14 | Skaag | no dillo for opie? |
| 17:59.47 | Harlekin | no |
| 17:59.56 | Skaag | :-( |
| 18:00.05 | Skaag | too bad, that was a pretty fast browser on gpe |
| 18:00.05 | kergoth`food | Skaag: use konq |
| 18:00.20 | Harlekin | Skaag: yeah and the frames and tables look great .-) |
| 18:00.21 | kergoth`food | 'someone' should start on a qtopia graphics driver for links 2.x |
| 18:00.36 | Skaag | ah right |
| 18:00.38 | Skaag | ~ # ipkg install konq |
| 18:00.39 | Skaag | Cannot find package konq. |
| 18:01.06 | kergoth`food | ipkg list|grep konq |
| 18:01.26 | Harlekin | its not in ipaqs 0.99 feed |
| 18:01.30 | Skaag | kergoth`food: nothing there |
| 18:01.35 | Skaag | but I found opie-ubrowser |
| 18:01.37 | Harlekin | need to get it from the 0.9.3 feed |
| 18:01.38 | kergoth`food | ah |
| 18:01.41 | Skaag | ah |
| 18:01.54 | Skaag | Harlekin: can you give me the line for sources.list please? |
| 18:02.12 | Harlekin | 0.9.3 instead of 0.9.9pre |
| 18:02.21 | Harlekin | but better wget it instead of feed |
| 18:02.28 | Skaag | ok |
| 18:03.38 | Skaag | this ne? http://opie.handhelds.org/feed/ipaq/0.9.3/konqueror_0.9.3-20030329_arm.ipk |
| 18:04.08 | Harlekin | yes |
| 18:04.11 | Skaag | thx |
| 18:05.25 | Skaag | anything else cool I should install before I disconnect it from the cradle and go home? |
| 18:05.30 | Skaag | :-) |
| 18:08.57 | Skaag | holy mama, konqueror rox |
| 18:09.00 | Skaag | JavaScript!! |
| 18:09.03 | Harlekin | a)ssl |
| 18:11.46 | Skaag | impressive |
| 18:15.31 | Skaag | All I installed on top of the base system is konqueror and now I only have 1.2mb free |
| 18:15.34 | Skaag | i'm in trouble |
| 18:15.47 | Skaag | I need a CF card pronto |
| 18:22.23 | Skaag | is there a way to have less ram and more storage? |
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| 18:49.29 | clem | Harlekin: I would like to build a prototype for Opie using plugins, could I use the Today framework? |
| 18:49.53 | Harlekin | ? |
| 18:50.19 | Harlekin | you mean interface - how to work with plugins? why not |
| 18:50.22 | Harlekin | as any other example |
| 18:50.33 | kergoth | sounds like he's goign to do what i already started, a plugin interface for applications |
| 18:50.48 | kergoth | course i cant work on spiffy new things like that anymore due to my wonderful noncompete agreement |
| 18:51.17 | pb_ | hah |
| 18:51.49 | Harlekin | yeah, US companies suck |
| 18:52.16 | clem | Harlekin: yes, I mean as an example (and i assume your implementation is much better than what I would do only looking at http://doc.trolltech.com/qtopia/html/pluginintro.html :) |
| 18:52.56 | clem | kergoth: err I don't pretend to build an interface for any application, it's just for an opie-security replacement, with the possibility to have plugins |
| 18:53.18 | clem | (see http://dudu.dyn.2-h.org/nist/OMAF.php) |
| 18:53.56 | clem | kergoth: opensource development breaks noncompete agreements too? eeergh :/ |
| 18:54.25 | kergoth | clem: this one anyway, there were no exception clauses |
| 18:54.28 | kergoth | ah well |
| 18:54.50 | treke | kergoth: Damn |
| 18:54.56 | treke | kergoth: So no more new stuff from you? |
| 18:55.41 | kergoth | treke: well, I can obviously contribute to existing {,l}gpl codebases, since even if TI owns the copyright, the license is nailed down |
| 18:55.49 | kergoth | treke: new stuff, yeah, thats moreq uestionable |
| 18:56.26 | treke | kergoth: have you spoken to anyone at ti yet about this? |
| 18:56.47 | kergoth | not yet |
| 18:56.53 | kergoth | need to ask tim who's the right person to pester |
| 19:01.46 | treke | hopefully there is some procedure for getting stuff approved |
| 19:02.06 | kergoth | i doubt one exists.. yet.. hopefully they'll implement one though |
| 19:18.15 | ljp_laptop | kergoth: can you outline what you wanted to change with launcher? |
| 19:19.48 | kergoth | yeah |
| 19:22.33 | ljp_laptop | I have a non compete for commercial apps |
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| 20:17.36 | clem | Harlekin: by the way is oapp a new way to simplify Opie applications that use plugins? (I see Today can be compiled with oapp or not) |
| 20:18.06 | Harlekin | ? |
| 20:18.08 | treke | clem: not quite. |
| 20:18.33 | treke | It's for the launcher idea kergoth was working on, where all apps would be plugins and oapp would launch them |
| 20:18.39 | ljpzaurus | what is oapp anyway |
| 20:18.50 | kergoth | yeah, its just a plugin interfacde for applications |
| 20:18.51 | kergoth | bleh |
| 20:18.52 | ljpzaurus | heh .. |
| 20:19.05 | treke | At least that was my understanding |
| 20:19.09 | ljpzaurus | ahhh |
| 20:19.42 | ljpzaurus | would they show up as a tab? |
| 20:20.54 | clem | treke - ok, thx |
| 20:21.26 | kergoth | ljpzaurus: depends on the loader |
| 20:22.02 | kergoth | in a tab based launcher app, yeah |
| 20:24.02 | ljpzaurus | that might be cool, if the tab was smaller, well for small screens anyway |
| 20:24.43 | ljpzaurus | I just want the taskbar at the top of the screen |
| 20:24.44 | kergoth | the advantage is, 1) you can embed any application, 2) you reduce fork overhead by being able to link the app in directly rather than forking an ew process |
| 20:24.55 | kergoth | and of course the launching tool ends up rather minimal and modular |
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| 21:01.26 | treke | so it seems like the evolution guys are pretty royally fucked syncing wise |
| 21:04.38 | treke | it looks like it's syncing is pretty well tied to gnome-pilot |
| 21:04.59 | Harlekin | no |
| 21:05.09 | Harlekin | the wombat server is more or less general |
| 21:05.18 | Harlekin | on is the only part of evo with a decent design |
| 21:05.27 | treke | hmmm. wombat. |
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| 21:15.01 | treke | actually looks like wombat doesnt do what I want :) |
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