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08:09.17 | *** topic/#opie by schurig -> Open Palmtop Integrated Environment - http://opie.info - http://opie.handhelds.org - Wann treffen wir uns auf dem LinuxTag? |
08:09.55 | schurig | /topic http://opie.handhelds.org. http://opie.info. - Submit detailed bug reports at http://opie.info/bugs/ - deb |
08:09.55 | schurig | http://people.debian.org/~rkrusty/ opie unstable - http://jpluck.sourceforge.net/ - You have documentation skills? Join NOW! || driving fast is dangerous, |
08:09.55 | schurig | but that doesn't stop me || who's me? |
08:10.20 | *** topic/#opie by schurig -> http://opie.handhelds.org. http://opie.info. - Submit detailed bug reports at http://opie.info/bugs/ - deb http://people.debian.org/~rkrusty/ opie unstable - http://jpluck.sourceforge.net/ - You have documentation skills? Join NOW! || driving fast is dangerous, but that doesn't stop me || who's me? |
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08:56.54 | wijnand | i installed ODict from the 0.9.9 feed but it doesn't come with dictionary files... can i download them somewhere? |
09:04.51 | dwmw2 | those are in the i18n packages aren't they? |
09:05.59 | Harlekin | should |
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09:26.27 | wijnand | ahhh ok, let me check :) |
09:31.51 | wijnand | hmmm there only appear to be .qm files in the /opt/QtPalmtop/i18n dir and they seem to be translations for apps |
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10:30.25 | Groucho | hi there |
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12:00.10 | giuppi | hi! is there a printable version of the pyqt book anywhere ? |
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12:04.34 | damjan | has anyone compiled qt-embeded for x86? I was trying to compile 3.1.1 with the "transformed" gfxdriver but it complains about unreferenced GfxRaster symbol |
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13:07.25 | tom | anyone knows about support for J2SE and swing + RMI in Familar + Opie |
13:24.37 | Groucho_ | tom: well ... |
13:24.47 | Groucho_ | J2Se is not available. |
13:25.21 | Groucho_ | You can get a PersonalJAVA implmentation from Insignia (jeode) or you can use kaffe with Opie |
13:26.01 | Groucho_ | There is SUNs reference implementation of a J2ME personal profile for the Zaurus which also works on the iPAQs |
13:26.31 | Groucho_ | There is Wonka (PJ) and J9 from IBM without Opie GUI available |
13:27.44 | Groucho_ | The only fully fledged JAVA implementation is a J2RE 1.3.1 from blackdown.org with X11 support (and it is extemely large) |
13:42.32 | Thomas_ | allright... i think i've got 64MB of disk space... counting away that used by the os... |
13:42.46 | Thomas_ | maybe there's a chance to put it in, how large is it? |
13:43.09 | Thomas_ | Groucho_: and do you think it will run on my iPaq? |
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13:51.33 | Groucho_ | Thomas: You have 64 MB heap space, butonly 32M flash for file system ;-) |
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13:51.50 | Groucho_ | Thomas: Over all approximately 15-20 M |
13:52.53 | pb_ | Thomas_: if you are on iPAQ H3970, you have 48MB of flash storage available. |
13:53.32 | Thomas_ | sounds like it could fit in then... |
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14:02.15 | Thomas_ | Groucho_: what linux distribution and what gui should i use to make Blackdowns jvm to work? |
14:03.14 | Thomas_ | ...and do you know how swing applications will look? |
14:03.54 | Harlekin | re |
14:04.15 | Groucho_ | Thomas_; A standard Familiar is enough and you need X to make it work |
14:04.25 | Groucho_ | HArlekin: re |
14:04.29 | Groucho_ | HArlekin: wb |
14:04.31 | Groucho_ | pffr |
14:05.15 | Groucho_ | Thomas_: Standard Swinf apps will look ugly and slow if they are not tailored to the embedded device- smaller screen eg. |
14:09.06 | Thomas_ | how do i tailor them? |
14:09.40 | Thomas_ | will it run smoother if I use awt ? |
14:10.52 | Thomas_ | Is there any look and feel to use? |
14:11.03 | Groucho_ | Tailoring means: Reducing the Swing set to the minimum required and adapting the GUI the smaller screen sizes as well as modifying input methods |
14:11.13 | Groucho_ | no look and feel for this. |
14:11.32 | Thomas_ | ok... not too heavy then. |
14:11.48 | Groucho_ | Thomas_: Of course, using AWT only will accelerate the apps and reduce memory footprint |
14:12.14 | Thomas_ | but i will get an unpretty gui...? |
14:14.01 | Groucho_ | Depends on your skills. You donīt need Swing to make a pretty GUI |
14:14.08 | Thomas_ | =) |
14:14.19 | Thomas_ | thanks guys =) |
14:15.28 | Groucho_ | np |
14:16.13 | Thomas_ | Buttons and windows created by awt... do i have to customize them or will they automaticly look like native? |
14:19.33 | Twiun | they'll look native |
14:19.52 | Twiun | that's because AWT delegates such drawing to the native layer |
14:20.13 | Thomas_ | ahh... thats what we hoped for... |
14:20.38 | Thomas_ | going book-shopping then |
14:20.48 | Groucho_ | hehe |
14:21.07 | Thomas_ | can you recommend one? |
14:21.28 | Groucho_ | in swedish ??? :-D |
14:21.39 | Thomas_ | =) |
14:21.50 | Thomas_ | "Ja tack" |
14:21.56 | Thomas_ | yes please |
14:22.03 | Thomas_ | or english... |
14:22.51 | Thomas_ | there _might_ be more litterarure available in eng. |
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14:23.17 | Groucho_ | Thomas: http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/ |
14:23.19 | Groucho_ | ;) |
14:23.26 | Groucho_ | best you can get |
14:23.40 | Twiun | the javadoc is also very handy |
14:25.45 | Thomas_ | using Jbuilder, javadoc's always there... |
14:26.19 | Twiun | I prefer using shell+gvim ;) |
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14:27.27 | Thomas_ | not on windows i suppose =) |
14:28.09 | Twiun | ah, no ;) |
14:29.45 | Thomas_ | well, thanks for all your support! gotta get something to eat and leave the school for a while... you make my heart smile guys! |
14:31.55 | ljp_laptop | hmmm |
14:35.49 | ljp_laptop | hey kergoth |
14:36.29 | kergoth | hey |
14:37.45 | Groucho_ | moninī chris |
14:39.00 | kergoth | how goes it? |
14:40.28 | Twiun | hey kergoth |
14:40.43 | schurig | because he doesn't go into the sun anyway |
14:41.00 | Twiun | my forearms hurt so much today... |
14:41.16 | Twiun | and my fingers can't grasp with any strength ;) |
14:41.36 | schurig | Twiun: you can't even grasp your mouse? |
14:41.37 | kergoth | hehe, i remember doing that. climbing is the best exercise for the forearms and hands, especially early on |
14:41.49 | kergoth | I need to start climbin again, but left my equipment in MN\ |
14:41.58 | schurig | kergoth: Climbing in TX? |
14:42.06 | Twiun | place I went to had rentals |
14:42.06 | schurig | Are there any hills there? |
14:42.20 | Twiun | schurig: you can go climbing indoors |
14:42.35 | ljp_laptop | buildings |
14:42.36 | schurig | Hmm, no fun. No nice scenery |
14:42.37 | kergoth | indoor |
14:42.46 | ljp_laptop | but they make you wash the windows while you are there. ;) |
14:42.54 | kergoth | i'll miss that about MN |
14:43.06 | schurig | the alps are 4-6 hours drive (depends on traffic jam) from my place |
14:43.17 | kergoth | schurig: nice. you dont climb tho? |
14:43.24 | schurig | kergoth: no |
14:43.38 | ljp_laptop | kergoth: MN is a short flight |
14:43.42 | schurig | I just ride my bike |
14:43.46 | kergoth | ljp_laptop: true that, pretty cheap too |
14:44.09 | kergoth | I should fly up to MN and get my mountain bike, bed, and rock climbing equipment |
14:46.31 | Groucho_ | schurig: 30 minutes from me ;-) |
14:47.06 | schurig | Groucho_: from Karlsruhe? By plane? |
14:47.26 | Groucho_ | schurig: ok, from home :-) |
14:47.39 | schurig | so, you're from Basel? |
14:48.05 | Groucho_ | lake constance |
14:48.38 | schurig | Groucho_: ah, then it's a "Katzensprung" :-) |
14:48.50 | schurig | cat jump |
14:48.51 | Groucho_ | A catwalk, yes |
14:48.53 | Groucho_ | :) |
14:49.59 | schurig | my wife is from Rottweil, that's not far away either. They used to go for Ski by car ... |
14:51.15 | ljp_laptop | skiing?! in the Alps? |
14:51.28 | Groucho_ | schurig: yes, I drive by on my way north and south |
14:51.32 | Groucho_ | ljp: where else ? |
14:52.05 | ljp_laptop | colorado |
14:52.07 | ljp_laptop | :D |
14:52.32 | ljp_laptop | I heard there's ok skiing in the Alps |
14:53.35 | Groucho_ | ljp: Thatīs more than ok ;-) |
14:55.06 | schurig | ljp_laptop: hehe, Skiing was invented in the Alps (oddly enought by british gentlemen) |
14:55.29 | ljp_laptop | hmmm, I heard it was the vikings |
14:56.16 | schurig | ljp_laptop: not things like down-hill and slaloms |
14:56.27 | Groucho_ | sure, they were supposed tom come down all thway. I canīt imagine the tommies goin for skiijng in the scottish highlands |
14:56.33 | ljp_laptop | oh, modern skiing |
14:56.53 | schurig | Groucho_: to much sheep there |
14:57.56 | Groucho_ | ljp: really ? |
14:58.31 | ljp_laptop | yup |
14:58.36 | Harlekin | ljp_laptop: thats modern again nowadays |
14:59.10 | ljp_laptop | too bad snowboarding is an olympic sport but telemark isnt |
14:59.44 | ljp_laptop | ya, they have all kinds of plastic boots and stuff |
14:59.50 | Groucho_ | ljp: only telemarking ? |
15:00.02 | ljp_laptop | no, I also downhill, too |
15:00.38 | ljp_laptop | but its harder to go backcountry skiing with your heals plastered down |
15:05.00 | Groucho_ | hehe |
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15:52.40 | kergoth | dan just dropped by (drw) |
15:53.50 | kergoth | ibot: seen mickeyl; |
15:53.51 | | kergoth: i haven't seen 'mickeyl;' |
15:53.54 | kergoth | ibot: seen mickeyl |
15:53.54 | | mickeyl <mickeyl@gandalf.tm.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #opie, 1d 21m 57s ago, saying: 'may come from opie itself - don't worry'. |
15:58.22 | schurig | kergoth: you terminate everything with semicolon; |
15:58.23 | schurig | :-); |
15:58.35 | treke | <PROTECTED> |
15:58.43 | schurig | treke: no, it's not; |
15:58.59 | schurig | just an interesting habit; |
15:59.03 | kergoth | it is when you're trying to write python code; |
16:20.06 | Groucho_ | kergoth schurig: What if you have a question ? Still use the semicolon ? |
16:20.55 | kergoth | hmmmm yeah |
16:22.32 | Groucho_ | ibot: programmers |
16:22.33 | | Groucho_: I give up, what is it? |
16:22.49 | Groucho_ | ibot: programmers always end a phrase by using the ; |
16:22.50 | | Groucho_: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
16:23.04 | Groucho_ | ibot: programmers are people who always end a phrase by using the ; |
16:23.04 | | Groucho_: okay |
16:23.14 | Groucho_ | ibot: programmers |
16:23.19 | | programmers are people who always end a phrase by using the ; |
16:24.19 | Groucho_ | ibot: kergoth |
16:24.20 | | well, kergoth is at kergoth@handhelds.org, or that openzaurus guy |
16:24.25 | Groucho_ | hmmm |
16:24.36 | kergoth | cant change it |
16:24.37 | kergoth | heh |
16:24.39 | kergoth | ibot: kergoth is also bleh |
16:24.40 | | kergoth: cannot alter locked factoids |
16:24.40 | | kergoth: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
16:25.45 | Groucho_ | Hmm- there is a missing ; in the topic ......... |
16:26.12 | kergoth | the topic is an exception to the rule |
16:26.13 | kergoth | :) |
16:26.41 | Groucho_ | ibot: rules |
16:26.42 | | Groucho_: i haven't a clue |
16:26.56 | Groucho_ | ibot: rules are a requirement for having exceptions |
16:26.57 | | Groucho_: okay |
16:27.13 | Groucho_ | This dumb ibot needs some more brain :-D |
16:27.16 | kergoth | heheh |
16:27.32 | Groucho_ | btw... |
16:27.34 | Groucho_ | ibot: Groucho |
16:27.35 | | [groucho] the official feed maintainer of the iPAQ feed at opie.handhelds.org. Questions, kisses and money transfers go to groucho@handhelds.org |
16:27.50 | Groucho_ | ah, yes, thatīs the current |
16:28.53 | Groucho_ | especially the one with the "money transfers" is sweet. kisses are optional |
16:29.14 | kergoth | heheh |
16:31.16 | Groucho_ | sorry, forgot something: kisses are optional; |
16:31.21 | Groucho_ | now |
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17:27.04 | wijnand | does anyone here use ODict? I have it installed but it doesn't have any dictionary files... |
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17:31.02 | Groucho_ | Errm- yes. You will have to fetch them from the internet |
17:31.15 | Groucho_ | Look for dict file via Google |
17:31.50 | wijnand | Groucho_: you happen to know which type of dict files? there are several formats out there |
17:32.13 | Groucho_ | I once did... though I forgot |
17:32.21 | Groucho_ | *shame* on Groucho |
17:32.33 | wijnand | heh |
17:32.49 | wijnand | what can i say, i dont know either so why would i blame you :) |
17:33.06 | Groucho_ | yep- why would you ? ;-) |
17:33.54 | Groucho_ | Well, I once digged into the code and played around with the dict files so I should know... |
17:35.23 | Groucho_ | However I noticed that large dict files do not work anyway- too large causes odict to crash |
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17:46.29 | Groucho_ | cu |
17:50.27 | wijnand | hmmm thats no good |
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