| 00:03.09 | bipolar_away | Harlekin: email sent.... |
| 00:04.36 | Harlekin | o |
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| 01:03.52 | PenguinLord | can someone tell me the difference between opie-mediaplayer and opie-mediaplayer2 |
| 01:08.46 | treke | opie-mediaplayer2 is better |
| 01:11.28 | PenguinLord | i just installled it and the codecs on the latest opie (v0.7-pre3) and it will not launch |
| 01:11.47 | treke | what version of codecs and media player> |
| 01:12.40 | PenguinLord | there an ipkg command that will tell me that? |
| 01:12.46 | treke | ipkg status |
| 01:15.02 | PenguinLord | opie-mediaplayer2_0.9.1-20030208_arm.ipk |
| 01:15.19 | PenguinLord | opie-mediaplayer-codecs_0.6.1_arm.ipk |
| 01:15.48 | PenguinLord | when i tap it i get an hour glass, then nothing |
| 01:21.53 | PenguinLord | if i run it from a Konsole i get opieplayer2: error while loading shared libraries: libxine.so.1: cannot open shared object file: Error 9 |
| 01:22.16 | treke | sounds like opie-mdediaplayer-codes isnt fully installed |
| 01:23.18 | PenguinLord | i just did an ldconfig -v and it's happier now |
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| 03:25.45 | smalone | Where can I find the latest Familure with Opie? |
| 03:25.55 | treke|home | familiar.handhelds.org |
| 03:27.55 | smalone | I've tried that version. The TODO List doesn't work. I can remember installing an image that had the media player and opie sheet with it. |
| 03:28.18 | treke|home | upgrade to the http://opie.handhelds.org feed |
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| 12:08.23 | dwmw2 | grrr. Why does cvs die _every_ time I update, bitching about directories going away. |
| 12:08.40 | dwmw2 | can't we move stuff by copying and then 'cvs remove' the originals, rather than just moving directories? |
| 12:10.07 | dwmw2 | hmm. granted in this case it seems to be because the whole thing moved from /cvs to /usr/cvs ... :) |
| 12:12.16 | ljp | ya. hh.org moved the whole lot a while ago |
| 12:12.53 | ljp | when they do that, I usually co again |
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| 12:42.02 | merf | i'm trying to compile opie, and although it's giving arm-linux-gcc -L<the right path to qt-2.3.4-beta5/lib>, it says 'cannot find libqte'. does anyone know how i can fix this? |
| 13:01.37 | ljp | its amazing how many people dont know that all TT's linux libs are gpl'd as well as qpl.. |
| 13:02.44 | mickeyl | ljp: right. it is amazing how people start going crazy about rumours instead of doing fscking researching the facts. |
| 13:04.47 | ljp | people _still_ bash TT. it's like "wake up! its GPL!!" |
| 13:08.15 | ljp | there was something I read from that gnome guy saying gnome is behind kde, but commenting on some 'royalties' issue with kde. |
| 13:08.56 | ljp | he said which is why redhat and someother co was shying away from kde |
| 13:09.55 | ljp | and I'm thinking.. man these guys are fanatics when the GPL isnt good enough anymore |
| 13:12.05 | ljp | gnome wouldnt even be around if it wasnt for TT |
| 13:13.06 | mickeyl | yes, but it takes an open mind to realize this. |
| 13:15.56 | ljp | I still want to try kde on windows |
| 13:16.42 | dwmw2 | I hate nethack makefiles _sooo_ much |
| 13:18.37 | merf | bah.. why can't opie find libqte?! |
| 13:19.20 | ljp | what does libqte.so point too? |
| 13:21.02 | merf | lrwxrwxrwx 1 isaac isaac 15 Mar 5 18:52 /home/isaac/data/programming/qt-2.3.4-beta5/lib/libqte.so -> libqte.so.2.3.4 |
| 13:21.17 | dwmw2 | bah |
| 13:21.21 | dwmw2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:21.42 | ljp | did you apply the opie qte patches? |
| 13:21.47 | merf | ljp: yep |
| 13:21.59 | dwmw2 | haven't rebuilt qt for a while, so not recent ones. |
| 13:21.59 | merf | although it rejected two hunks, but i ignored it (cause i'm lazy :D) |
| 13:22.22 | ljp | merf: that wouoldnt causwe it to notfind it |
| 13:22.30 | merf | ljp: i know, that's why it's odd |
| 13:22.32 | ljp | merf: echo $OPIEDIR |
| 13:22.49 | merf | both $OPIEDIR and $QTDIR are set correctly |
| 13:23.29 | ljp | merf: cross compile? |
| 13:24.02 | merf | yep |
| 13:55.41 | mickeyl | dwmw2_gone: you need qt-embedded-2.3.4-beta5 |
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| 17:41.16 | Harlekin | ibot: kitchensync |
| 17:41.17 | | i guess kitchensync is the ultimate syncing tool for KDE3 written by Aliens at the Area 51a ;) or not out yet. or in the kde3 cvs, or at http://www.handhelds.org/~zecke/kitchensync.html |
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| 18:49.39 | Markiedam | i'm just asking again.. are the new images for the H3950 ?? |
| 18:49.45 | Markiedam | the=there |
| 18:50.11 | treke | Markiedam: #familiar |
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| 18:51.03 | Harlekin | Markiedam: there are |
| 18:51.51 | Harlekin | 'http://handhelds.org/familiar/releases/v0.7/boot/bootopie-v0.7-pre3-h3900.jffs2' |
| 18:52.40 | Markiedam | Harlekin: thanks |
| 18:54.16 | Markiedam | i am now tranfering this image with windows... :(... linux does not work properly yet... but wat do i have to fill in bij Flow Control ?? |
| 18:54.28 | Markiedam | Hardware = Xon Xoff |
| 18:54.30 | Markiedam | or non |
| 18:54.33 | Markiedam | none |
| 18:57.02 | kergoth | Markiedam: #handhelds.org |
| 18:57.25 | Markiedam | kergoth: i just did :D |
| 18:57.28 | clem | Harlekin: whhich image should one use for 38xx iPaq's? is the 3800 architecture about the same as 31, 36 or 39xx? |
| 18:57.31 | kergoth | Markiedam: good. |
| 18:57.47 | treke | clem: 36 |
| 18:57.54 | clem | ok thx! |
| 18:58.14 | Harlekin | clem: 36 |
| 18:58.20 | clem | ok thx! :) |
| 19:04.49 | gruemelmonster | is kitchensync runing without kde, too? with kdelibs/qtlibs/... of course |
| 19:05.14 | Harlekin | should be |
| 19:06.50 | gruemelmonster | hmm i`ll give it a try |
| 19:30.29 | Markiedam | hmm.. still no sound on the H3950 with Pre-7... :( |
| 19:30.47 | Harlekin | tell the familiar people |
| 19:31.09 | Markiedam | i don't get it... isn't this a problem of opie ? |
| 19:31.17 | treke | no |
| 19:31.32 | treke | opie is just a user environment |
| 19:31.45 | treke | the kernel provides sound support. |
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| 20:38.40 | bipolar | Harlekin: I got a response from the kPilot coordinator |
| 20:38.51 | Harlekin | what did he say? |
| 20:39.37 | bipolar | Harlekin: he said that Adriaan de Groot has been working with the kitchensync guys for a while now. |
| 20:39.55 | Harlekin | aha |
| 20:39.57 | Harlekin | hmm |
| 20:40.01 | bipolar | Harlekin: want me to forward the msg to you? |
| 20:40.08 | Harlekin | funny I havent noticed it yet |
| 20:40.16 | Harlekin | bipolar: its ok like that .-) |
| 20:40.40 | Harlekin | lets see, maybe one day there will suddenly be a plugin |
| 20:40.45 | bipolar | Harlekin: he also said to ask on the kde-pim mail list for more info. |
| 20:41.24 | treke | Harlekin: maybe he was talking about the other kitchensync :) |
| 20:41.34 | Harlekin | who knows .-) |
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| 22:37.07 | ljp_work | oi oi oi ... |
| 22:37.30 | Harlekin | ? |
| 22:39.49 | ljp_work | heh oh, nothering. just a newbie dev in #openembedded |
| 22:39.56 | ljp_work | err nothing |
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| 22:55.28 | Harlekin | hey drw |
| 22:57.00 | drw | hello |
| 22:57.32 | Harlekin | hey mewyn |
| 22:57.34 | Harlekin | hey mickeyl |
| 22:58.08 | mickeyl | hi all |
| 23:01.19 | mewyn | ugh |
| 23:01.26 | mewyn | debian is such a pain in the ass |
| 23:01.54 | Harlekin | depend on level off experince |
| 23:01.57 | Harlekin | depends |
| 23:02.15 | kergoth | eh? how is apt a pain in the ass? |
| 23:02.21 | kergoth | apt-get install balh is as simple as it gets |
| 23:02.25 | mewyn | kergoth: not apt |
| 23:02.27 | mewyn | debian |
| 23:02.30 | kergoth | ? |
| 23:02.37 | mewyn | apt's debian's redeeming factor |
| 23:02.48 | kergoth | why? |
| 23:02.54 | mewyn | well, this is the thrid time i've had to reformat. |
| 23:03.04 | mewyn | first time pcmcia was freaking out my kernel |
| 23:03.05 | kergoth | i've never had to reformat when installing debian |
| 23:03.10 | kergoth | just went in, smooth as silk |
| 23:03.13 | merf | you never have to reformat |
| 23:03.13 | mewyn | second i couldn't even reboot into debian |
| 23:03.22 | merf | you just have to have a rescue disk and a kernel source |
| 23:03.36 | kergoth | and even that is rarely needed, if ever |
| 23:03.44 | kergoth | if its needed, 95% chance its cause you hossed something |
| 23:03.45 | kergoth | hosed |
| 23:04.03 | merf | exactly |
| 23:04.25 | kergoth | you know what i love.. is update-grub |
| 23:04.33 | kergoth | redhat needs that |
| 23:04.44 | kergoth | i mean autogenerated grub config based on what installed kernels exist is beautiful |
| 23:04.48 | kergoth | :) |
| 23:04.56 | merf | i use lilo :) |
| 23:04.59 | merf | lilo and symlinks |
| 23:05.06 | kergoth | switch to grub |
| 23:05.08 | kergoth | you wont regret it |
| 23:05.11 | treke | kergoth: do you have to use make-kernel-package to use it? |
| 23:05.14 | kergoth | if grub fails to boot due to a typo.. |
| 23:05.19 | mewyn | ok, once i have the base system installed, i edit /etc/apt/apt.lists to read unstable and do apt-get update;apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 23:05.22 | kergoth | jsut drop to a grub prompt and type it in |
| 23:05.23 | merf | vmlinuz -> vmlinuz-2.4.20 ; vmlinuz.old -> vmlinuz-2.4.17 |
| 23:05.27 | kergoth | mewyn: yep |
| 23:05.37 | mewyn | ok |
| 23:05.39 | treke | kergoth: maybe if I actually rebooted once in a while :) |
| 23:05.42 | kergoth | merf: i always have at least 5 installed kernels in various types |
| 23:05.45 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:05.48 | merf | heh |
| 23:05.57 | merf | my box is an unstable hell with just one kernel |
| 23:06.00 | merf | i've no need for five :) |
| 23:10.53 | mewyn | kergoth: you are insane |
| 23:11.10 | mewyn | i don't reboot often enough to justify having more than one kernel |
| 23:12.16 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:12.17 | drw | 2 is enough, 1 new one, 1 old one to fall back on in case new one doesn't work out |
| 23:12.39 | kergoth | well, i have two -ck3s, one with AA VM, one with RMAP, to compare and contrast |
| 23:12.40 | mewyn | i don't like rebooting |
| 23:12.51 | kergoth | and each kernel i build i have one with FB console enabled, and one with just text mode console |
| 23:13.00 | kergoth | since the slow redraw speed of FB console gets annoying at times |
| 23:13.06 | mewyn | i'm gonna really hate using my next laptop until ACPI suspend is supported |
| 23:13.16 | kergoth | then theres the 2.5 kernels to play around |
| 23:14.07 | mewyn | kergoth: you know anything about the acpi in linux? |
| 23:14.35 | kergoth | a bit, i always enable it myself. not a lot tho |
| 23:14.59 | mewyn | i'm wondering when suspend will be there |
| 23:16.08 | treke | download the swsusp patch |
| 23:16.37 | kergoth | software suspend? |
| 23:16.41 | treke | yes |
| 23:16.42 | kergoth | spiffy |
| 23:16.47 | kergoth | never played with that myself |
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| 23:17.10 | treke | mewyn: it writes the contents of memory to swap space |
| 23:17.26 | mewyn | do i need an unused swap partition? |
| 23:17.40 | treke | no but you need a large enough swap partition |
| 23:17.56 | mewyn | what if swap is in use? |
| 23:18.27 | treke | you should be fine as long as you have enough not used to store physical ram + used swap |
| 23:19.12 | mewyn | you play around with it at all? |
| 23:19.17 | treke | yes |
| 23:19.33 | mewyn | how does it tell the system to restore state? |
| 23:19.36 | treke | I think the author recommended 2*physical rm |
| 23:19.50 | treke | mewyn: Dunno. never looked at the code |
| 23:19.57 | kergoth | what do you mean by tell the system? |
| 23:20.25 | mewyn | i'd imagine it'd either need to be in the boot loader or the very first thing the kernel did |
| 23:20.32 | kergoth | ? |
| 23:20.36 | kergoth | its in kernel |
| 23:20.39 | treke | mewyn: its in the kernel |
| 23:20.52 | treke | mewyn: the kernel says oh look suspend data, lets resume |
| 23:21.11 | mewyn | any way to override, if something goes boom? |
| 23:21.17 | treke | yes |
| 23:21.27 | mewyn | boot parameter? |
| 23:21.37 | treke | yes |
| 23:21.50 | treke | dont do it if you can avoid it |
| 23:22.17 | mewyn | kergoth: i'm reading the site at the same time :P |
| 23:23.14 | mewyn | treke: what i'm thinking of doing with my laptop (one thing at least) is keeping all my financial transactions in it, and i'd like to usually put them in at the time they are made. that's the biggest reason i need suspend/resume |
| 23:23.15 | treke | I seem to remember that not restoring could result in a trashed file system |
| 23:23.22 | mewyn | o.o |
| 23:23.23 | mewyn | eep |
| 23:23.26 | treke | mewyn: opie-checkbook |
| 23:23.50 | mewyn | can that talk back and forth between gnucash? |
| 23:24.05 | treke | dont think it can at the moment |
| 23:24.32 | treke | might not be that tough to write a opie-checkbook -> qif converter |
| 23:26.16 | drw | treke: I am starting to do a QIF import/export for checkbook |
| 23:26.23 | mewyn | i wonder how kapital is |
| 23:26.42 | treke | kapital seems to be rather universally regarded as a steaming pile of shit |
| 23:26.55 | drw | I had it at one time and thought the UI was terrible |
| 23:27.02 | drw | way to confusing |
| 23:27.05 | treke | the ui was horrid |
| 23:27.29 | mewyn | hrm |
| 23:32.37 | mewyn | god damnit |
| 23:32.52 | mewyn | pcmcia killed everything in dist-upgrade again |
| 23:33.31 | mewyn | fuck debian |
| 23:33.51 | treke | huh? |
| 23:34.05 | treke | what is pcmcia doing? |
| 23:34.18 | mewyn | i told the installer /not/ to restart pcmcia. it went and restarted pcmcia, and caused an oops |
| 23:34.51 | treke | sounds like a fucked up kernel |
| 23:35.20 | mewyn | well, it still shouldn't try to restart pcmcia if i tell it not to |
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