| 01:03:04 | reboot | How do I change the skin on the media player? |
| 01:08:54 | treke|home | reboot: one of the menus has a skins option |
| 01:10:48 | reboot | I don't see any menus in opieplayer like that. |
| 01:11:11 | treke|home | you need opie player 2 |
| 01:12:08 | reboot | I don't see that in my ipkg list |
| 01:12:29 | treke|home | what feed do you use? |
| 01:13:37 | reboot | http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/releases/v0.6-rc1/opie/armv4l/ |
| 01:13:52 | reboot | Im seeing it in the list, I just cant get it |
| 01:14:00 | reboot | ipkg_download: ERROR: Command failed with return value 1: `wget --passive-ftp -q -P /tmp/ipkg-mp3iMz http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/releases/v0.6-rc1/opie/armv4l/./opie-mediaplayer-codecs_ 0.2.2_arm.ipk' |
| 01:14:00 | reboot | type11error: Failed to download opie-mediaplayer-codecs. Perhaps you need to run `ipkg update'? |
| 01:19:41 | reboot | Is there a different feed I should be using? |
| 01:20:04 | treke|home | reboot: there is a feed at http://opie.info. It is the official feed |
| 01:23:58 | reboot | That fixed it :) |
| 01:24:38 | reboot | So, I noticed the themes in the screenies, are there more than the one theme (luna) ? |
| 01:24:55 | treke|home | yes |
| 01:24:59 | treke|home | install opie-appearance |
| 01:25:17 | reboot | Thats already installed |
| 01:25:28 | treke|home | then use it |
| 01:27:55 | reboot | I do, but I only see the one theme in there. |
| 01:29:49 | reboot | And when I run mediaplayer2 it won't come up. |
| 01:30:50 | treke|home | opieplayer2 is under heavy construction. Some days it might be broken :) |
| 01:34:37 | reboot | I really like the opie-theme-luna.. can't wait for more. :) |
| 01:35:50 | treke|home | there are more. just install them |
| 01:36:50 | treke|home | they are in the feed |
| 01:36:52 | reboot | I can't find them. |
| 01:37:58 | treke|home | opie-liquid is one |
| 01:38:02 | treke|home | I dont know the others off hand |
| 01:38:06 | ljp- | make more! ;) |
| 01:39:01 | reboot | Is there any docs on how to make them? Its something Id love to learn to do. |
| 01:39:18 | ljp- | there will be |
| 01:39:35 | reboot | That and change the background |
| 01:39:50 | ljp- | ibot: message for sandman: we need docs explaining how to make new opie themes :D |
| 01:40:01 | reboot | :) |
| 01:40:27 | ljp- | I am assuming he is asleep currently, and will login as sandman |
| 01:40:39 | ljp- | I'll remind him later |
| 01:40:54 | treke|home | <sandman> ibot: message for ljp- : write them |
| 01:41:49 | ljp- | hahaha.. themes are sandmans thing |
| 01:42:16 | ljp- | there should be a metal 'theme' |
| 01:42:20 | treke|home | just about everything is thandmans theme :) |
| 01:43:08 | ljp- | yes! I know.. sandman MUST be stopped! He's all over the opie code! |
| 01:43:52 | treke|home | screw that, he needs to do more since he rocks |
| 01:44:52 | reboot | I agree.. he rocks. |
| 01:46:34 | reboot | ok Im going to head home. back later. :) |
| 01:57:03 | ljp- | heh.. you took me seriously? |
| 02:36:37 | treke|home | ljp-: you tried qtopiad desktop 1.6 yet? |
| 02:36:56 | ljp- | not the beta |
| 02:37:04 | treke|home | any version? |
| 02:37:27 | ljp- | yes, I tried the snapshot they mistakenly added qtopiadesktop source too |
| 02:37:41 | treke|home | well how does it work? |
| 02:37:46 | treke|home | syncing any better? |
| 02:37:57 | ljp- | well, that was a while ago, and there were things missing. |
| 02:38:13 | ljp- | I only tried qtopia 1.6 from x86 |
| 02:38:22 | treke|home | bleh. your no use |
| 02:38:25 | ljp- | oh.. qtopia _desktop_ |
| 02:38:32 | ljp- | heh |
| 02:38:33 | treke|home | been reading long? |
| 02:38:46 | ljp- | nope.. been writing docs, and my brain is fried |
| 02:39:37 | ljp- | I was going to try that new version as soon as kergoth gets the sd issue cleared in the next oz prerelease |
| 02:40:44 | ljp- | I think I am "doc'd" out for the night.. blah |
| 03:06:31 | Joe | |-|3110 +|-|3R3 P30p13 |
| 03:07:06 | treke|home | l33t d00d g0 4w4y |
| 03:07:32 | Joe | hahaha |
| 03:07:38 | ljp- | ...---... |
| 03:07:40 | Joe | I'm not l337 i was just screwing around. |
| 03:07:42 | Joe | sos? |
| 03:07:46 | ljp- | hehe ahhh |
| 03:07:49 | Joe | what's with the morse code? |
| 03:07:58 | Joe | hehe |
| 03:08:01 | ljp- | that how we prefer to talk here |
| 03:08:10 | ljp- | heh |
| 03:08:13 | treke|home | morse code in german |
| 03:08:13 | ljp- | jk |
| 03:08:17 | ljp- | haha |
| 03:08:31 | ljp- | how do you do those accents? |
| 03:08:32 | Joe | hahaha |
| 03:08:38 | treke|home | ljp-: carefully |
| 03:09:20 | Joe | -- -.-- -- --- .-. ... . -.-. --- -.. .. -. --. ... -.- .. .-.. .-.. ... .- .-. . ...-- .---- --... --... --... |
| 03:09:59 | ljp- | hmmm |
| 03:10:13 | Joe | muahahaha |
| 03:10:47 | kergoth_ | attempts to comprehend that and promptly explodes |
| 03:11:02 | Joe | google morse to text |
| 03:11:10 | Joe | but that's not how I did it |
| 03:11:28 | Joe | i used a binary I downloaded from the obfuscated c compitition. |
| 03:11:43 | Joe | morse code is cool man |
| 03:11:54 | Joe | it's really cool to pipe /dev/dsp into morse code |
| 03:12:03 | Joe | looks like primitive telivision static |
| 03:12:11 | Joe | or /dev/urandom |
| 03:12:40 | treke|home | kergoth_: drink a bit more, then come back |
| 03:13:06 | kergoth_ | treke|home: good idea |
| 03:13:12 | ljp- | grabs a mop |
| 03:15:40 | Joe | -.-- --- --.- ..- .. . .-. --- - .- -.-. --- -... . .-.. .-.. |
| 03:15:47 | Joe | hehe |
| 03:15:54 | Joe | Yo quiero Taco Bell! |
| 03:16:12 | kergoth_ | food |
| 03:16:14 | kergoth_ | thats it |
| 03:16:16 | kergoth_ | i need food |
| 03:16:19 | kergoth_ | ponders |
| 03:16:25 | Joe | Pizza.com |
| 03:19:23 | kergoth_ | damn its only 8:45? fuck, it feels later than that |
| 03:19:53 | treke|home | kergoth_: uhm its later than that |
| 03:20:04 | treke|home | kergoth_: its 8:20 here in California |
| 03:20:54 | ljp- | hehehe |
| 03:21:17 | ljp- | no wonder kergoths beentwo hours late to work all week |
| 03:21:29 | kergoth_ | er |
| 03:21:33 | kergoth_ | my computer's clock is way the fuck off |
| 03:21:39 | kergoth_ | my wall clock is accurate |
| 03:21:41 | treke|home | hehe |
| 03:21:41 | kergoth_ | GODDAMNIT |
| 03:21:46 | Joe | /exec -o date +%r |
| 03:22:11 | kergoth_ | ? |
| 03:22:13 | kergoth_ | dood |
| 03:22:18 | kergoth_ | i know what time my computer has |
| 03:22:20 | kergoth_ | its 2 hours off |
| 03:22:22 | kergoth_ | like i just fucking said |
| 03:22:22 | Joe | Do you really want God to damn your clock? Don't you think God has better things to do then Damn clocks? Geesh. |
| 03:22:24 | kergoth_ | heh |
| 03:22:29 | kergoth_ | yes, i want god to damn my clock |
| 03:22:31 | kergoth_ | DAMNIT |
| 03:22:35 | kergoth_ | but alas |
| 03:22:37 | Joe | hehehe |
| 03:22:37 | kergoth_ | sighs |
| 03:22:46 | treke|home | kergoth_: drink up |
| 03:22:53 | kergoth_ | treke|home: good idea. |
| 03:22:55 | kergoth_ | wanders off |
| 03:23:10 | ljp- | get one of those atomic time clocks that set themselves |
| 03:23:33 | Joe | If God really did damn your clock it would only read 6:66 |
| 03:23:39 | treke|home | better yet, just stop carrying what time it ws |
| 03:26:16 | Joe | O.p.i.e. = ?? |
| 03:26:33 | Joe | Open Projects I= E=?? |
| 03:26:41 | Joe | Open Projects I=?? E=?? |
| 03:26:55 | treke|home | Open Projects Internet Explorer |
| 03:27:05 | Joe | hahaha |
| 03:27:12 | Joe | Open Projects Internet Exploitz |
| 03:28:34 | Joe | Open Projects Intelligent Encryption. |
| 03:29:01 | treke|home | the project is trying to write an irc client using the internet explorer framework to increase usage of open projects and fund future development of the network |
| 03:29:33 | Joe | bah Internet Explorer |
| 03:30:09 | treke|home | the end result will be made available under a free software license similar to the microsoft shared source license |
| 03:30:43 | Joe | ugh |
| 03:30:56 | Joe | too Micro$oft if you ask me. |
| 03:31:30 | treke|home | you say that like its a bad thing |
| 03:31:37 | Joe | Hah. |
| 03:31:42 | Joe | Because that's how I feel. |
| 03:31:55 | Joe | I want Microsoft to be a Hardware developer only. |
| 03:32:07 | Joe | s/Hardware/hardware |
| 03:32:18 | | somebody said opie was the Open Palmtop Integrated Environment. More info at http://opie.handhelds.org/ http://www.opie.info/ http://www.opie.us/ or in the #opie channel. Installation instructions at http://opie.handhelds.org/wiki/index.php?OpieInstallation or respect |
| 03:32:18 | spiralman | ibot opie |
| 03:32:20 | Joe | s/Hardware/hardware/ even |
| 03:34:59 | treke|home | spiralman: way to spoil the fun |
| 03:35:15 | spiralman | eh |
| 03:42:09 | Joe | eheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheh |
| 04:23:49 | | hash|ST: what? |
| 04:23:49 | hash|ST | ibot: message help |
| 04:23:51 | hash | ibot: message for harlekin: 2x05 is on my server. enjoy... ^_^ |
| 04:23:53 | hash | treke|home: i fixed all the key problems i was having with gnuboy |
| 04:23:57 | hash | i mapped the exit button to something else |
| 04:24:01 | hash | and totally disabled normal closeEvent()s |
| 04:24:03 | hash | so all those weird ways you can emit ESC wont close it |
| 04:28:40 | ljp- | even if I emit ESC though my butt? |
| 04:47:29 | spiralman | is away: sleep |
| 05:00:45 | hash | ljp-: yup, even your butt |
| 05:00:55 | hash | ljp-: i'll make a shot of those fonts you told me about |
| 05:01:38 | hash | do you know what file font -misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed- would be in? |
| 05:03:11 | hash | i want that on my handheld myself |
| 05:05:37 | hash | ljp-: http://ha5h.net/shots/qpf_fonts.png |
| 05:07:46 | ljp- | nice |
| 05:08:13 | ljp- | not sure where that font might be |
| 05:08:37 | hash | i'll just remove monospace |
| 05:09:03 | hash | cus the ones we aready have knownn as "fixed" is prolly clearer to read anyway |
| 05:10:17 | ljp- | ya that one looks kinda goofy |
| 05:10:41 | hash | anything else while i'm at it? |
| 05:12:16 | ljp- | maybe georgia |
| 05:12:34 | hash | isnt caliban almost like helvetica? |
| 05:12:58 | ljp- | yes |
| 05:19:29 | ljp- | maybe veranda |
| 06:47:34 | Joe | Can anybody here give me some good misinformation on how to use my linux command line? |
| 06:47:35 | Joe | hahaha |
| 06:55:48 | hash | wrong channel |
| 07:08:04 | hash | http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/apparel/5b40.shtml <= funny stuff man... |
| 07:36:33 | Joe | hrm, all of IPv4 address space in a file would be 60GB. |
| 07:37:54 | Joe | hrm, all of IPv4 address space in a hundred files would be 60GB. |
| 07:40:03 | Indi- | depends how you store that data Joe |
| 07:40:15 | Indi- | an IP breaks down to 4 hex numbers |
| 07:40:24 | Indi- | which are only 2 bytes in ascii |
| 07:40:35 | Indi- | so that 8 bytes per IP |
| 07:41:02 | Indi- | as opposed to 15 bytes for 255.255.255.255 |
| 07:41:06 | Joe | ah but if it's decimal |
| 07:41:13 | Joe | which is how it would be stored |
| 07:41:14 | Indi- | fuck decimal :) |
| 07:41:19 | Joe | it would be a maximum of 60GB |
| 07:41:20 | Indi- | no |
| 07:41:23 | Indi- | thats how -ud- store it |
| 07:41:29 | Indi- | anyone with a brain would store it as hex |
| 07:41:29 | Joe | if my calculator is correct anyway |
| 07:41:38 | Joe | that's my calculation from |
| 07:41:40 | Indi- | computers convert it back to hex |
| 07:41:44 | Indi- | -shrug- |
| 07:41:48 | Joe | 0.0.0.0 - 255.255.255.255 |
| 07:41:48 | Indi- | nice trivia anyway |
| 07:42:17 | Joe | actually it remains to be binary code in the computer if you want to get techinical |
| 07:42:23 | Indi- | 00000000 - FFFFFFFF |
| 07:42:25 | Joe | technical even |
| 07:42:43 | Joe | yeah |
| 07:42:57 | Joe | but if it were done that way it wouldn't be scriptable hahaha |
| 07:43:06 | Indi- | pfffffffffffffft |
| 07:43:16 | Indi- | only if ur the shittiest programmer on the face of the earth |
| 07:43:22 | Joe | hahaha |
| 07:44:14 | Indi- | if you store it as true hex in a binary file its only 4 bytes per address |
| 07:44:25 | Joe | why not have 1431655765 periods in the file? |
| 07:44:28 | Joe | hahahahahahahaha |
| 07:45:49 | Joe | yeah I guess it would be pretty dumb to have it all in an ascii file |
| 07:46:01 | Indi- | heh |
| 07:46:06 | Indi- | back to the drawing board :P |
| 07:46:08 | Joe | considering it could just as easily be done with hex |
| 07:46:13 | Joe | heh. |
| 07:46:20 | Joe | i just think that's interesting though |
| 07:46:22 | Indi- | imo itd be easier to do it with raw bytes :) |
| 07:46:35 | Indi- | you wouldnt have to worry about line seperators either |
| 07:46:39 | Joe | an entire planets worth of communication on an 80mb hard drive. |
| 07:46:41 | Indi- | cause every adress is 4 bytes long |
| 07:46:49 | nchip | why would one want to store all ip addressess :P |
| 07:46:56 | Indi- | heh |
| 07:46:59 | Joe | man |
| 07:47:04 | Indi- | same reason someone 'd do it in ascii ;) |
| 07:47:13 | Joe | what do you figure it would take to physically write that amount of data? |
| 07:47:18 | nchip | becides, you don't need to store them all, ass there are blocks unused |
| 07:47:49 | Joe | right |
| 07:47:55 | Joe | 0.0.0.0 is void |
| 07:48:01 | Joe | 169.*.*.* is void |
| 07:48:07 | Joe | 127.*.*.* is void |
| 07:48:20 | Joe | and theres another right? |
| 07:48:22 | Indi- | 192 |
| 07:48:24 | Joe | right |
| 07:48:26 | Indi- | theres a few |
| 07:48:28 | Joe | 192 hahaha |
| 07:48:30 | nchip | 10 |
| 07:48:33 | Indi- | plenty of reserved space |
| 07:48:48 | Joe | my brother always tells me to hit his webserver on 192.168.0.1 |
| 07:48:50 | Joe | hahaha |
| 07:48:52 | Joe | i'm like dude |
| 07:48:55 | Joe | that's your local address |
| 07:48:57 | Joe | hahaha |
| 07:49:00 | Joe | and he argues it |
| 07:49:00 | Indi- | heh |
| 07:49:08 | Joe | lol |
| 07:49:10 | Joe | he's a noob |
| 07:49:18 | Joe | hrm |
| 07:49:25 | Joe | what is the math on ipv6 address space? |
| 07:49:41 | Joe | how much disc space would it take for all ipv6 address space? |
| 07:49:42 | nchip | http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space |
| 07:49:50 | Joe | probably like ten zillions of gigabytes |
| 07:51:14 | nchip | 82.* - 126.* is all just "reserved" |
| 07:52:24 | Joe | dude you could totally finger the planet hahaha |
| 07:53:12 | Joe | pretty intelligent math behind ipv4 |
| 07:53:20 | Joe | even more intelligent math behind ipv6 |
| 07:53:20 | Indi- | we already do a good enough job of fingering the planet :( |
| 07:53:28 | Joe | smart guys who thought up the whole idea |
| 07:54:01 | Joe | yeah I could always just walk around with my middle finger up everywhere I go. |
| 07:54:08 | Joe | Maybe people will get the idea lol |
| 07:54:20 | Joe | Finger some granny |
| 07:54:22 | Joe | for no reason |
| 07:54:25 | Joe | now that's comedy! |
| 07:54:52 | Joe | actually that's mean |
| 07:54:57 | Joe | I should never have suggested it. |
| 08:51:11 | Joe | well I got kicked from #linux |
| 08:51:22 | Joe | actually I had my voice stolen. |
| 08:51:23 | Joe | mah |
| 08:51:24 | Joe | whatever. |
| 08:51:42 | Joe | plenty of #linux channels out there |
| 08:52:12 | Joe | <Joe> it's cool to have freedom of speech |
| 08:52:12 | Joe | --- #linux :The channel demigods have stolen your voice |
| 08:52:19 | Joe | nazis! |
| 08:58:35 | Nermal_Work | oh no |
| 10:02:08 | DrJones | Anyone awake? |
| 10:03:34 | DrJones | Im trying to run some of the newer opie apps in my Familiar distro. mail2 and appearance2 when I run them I get nothing back. When I run them from the command line I get relocation errors... any clue? |
| 10:06:40 | Indi- | np[e |
| 10:06:43 | Indi- | bah |
| 10:06:45 | Indi- | nope |
| 10:06:52 | Indi- | you like familiar/opie ? |
| 10:07:03 | Indi- | after all that effort getting it on there... :) |
| 10:07:04 | DrJones | I can run the mail ap from the today ap, but not from the tab. |
| 10:07:20 | DrJones | Indi- : So far, I like it alot. |
| 10:07:29 | Indi- | nods |
| 10:07:35 | Indi- | i was using it too take GPS notes today |
| 10:07:44 | Indi- | ipaq in a backpack, bit of hiking, very nice :) |
| 10:08:03 | DrJones | Are there any good gps tools for Familiar/opie yet? |
| 10:08:10 | Indi- | hmm |
| 10:08:29 | Indi- | theres pygps or something, but i dunno if it runs under opie |
| 10:08:33 | Indi- | i believe its an X app |
| 10:08:50 | Indi- | i was just copying the data over by hand |
| 10:08:56 | Indi- | ancient, but works ;) |
| 10:09:10 | DrJones | some xapps seem to work. |
| 10:09:18 | Indi- | the GPS company want $115 for there 9 pin serial cable with special connector as well |
| 10:09:25 | DrJones | Which one? |
| 10:09:31 | Indi- | Magellan |
| 10:09:37 | Indi- | $115 australian |
| 10:09:54 | Indi- | im gunna get around to making one some day |
| 10:10:12 | Indi- | the GPS itself was only like $200 |
| 10:10:17 | DrJones | Here in the states, there is gpsgeek. They make cables pretty cheaply |
| 10:11:10 | DrJones | This is really wierd.. I can run apps from today panel, but I can't run them from the pim tab. |
| 10:15:05 | DrJones | Seems like only opie-mail2 and opie-appearance2 have problems. |
| 10:38:35 | DrJones | hey sandman, can you help me with a little problem? |
| 10:38:52 | sandman | Depends .. ;) |
| 10:39:24 | sandman | DrJones: What _is_ your problem ? |
| 10:39:32 | DrJones | Im trying to get opie-appearance2, opie-mail2 to work. When I click them from the tab, I get nothing. (hour glass) and nothing. |
| 10:39:46 | sandman | Which feed ? |
| 10:40:02 | DrJones | src opie http://opie.handhelds.org/feed/ipaq |
| 10:40:03 | DrJones | src opie http://131.152.105.154/feeds/ipaq/unstable |
| 10:40:38 | sandman | the mail2 bug is fixed in CVS -- I'm not sure if it is in the feed yet |
| 10:40:49 | sandman | DrJones: Which one of the two ? |
| 10:40:52 | DrJones | Also mediaplayer2 doesn't work |
| 10:40:57 | DrJones | both. |
| 10:41:10 | DrJones | I put the opie.handhelds in after the fact. |
| 10:41:13 | sandman | That won't work very well .. |
| 10:41:22 | sandman | remove the handhelds.org |
| 10:41:49 | sandman | BTW: There is no appearance2 ... only opie-appearance |
| 10:42:15 | DrJones | opie-appearance - Appearance settings dialog |
| 10:42:15 | DrJones | opie-appearance - Appearance settings dialog |
| 10:42:15 | DrJones | opie-appearance2 - Appearance settings dialog |
| 10:42:26 | DrJones | /mnt/card/root # ipkg list | grep appearance |
| 10:42:28 | sandman | This is an old outdated version |
| 10:42:44 | sandman | ipkg remove it and install opie-appearance |
| 10:43:40 | sandman | The appearance2 packages were just test versions till version was stable enough to replace appearance |
| 10:43:42 | DrJones | When I look at appearance, I don't see any place to choose an image for the background |
| 10:43:53 | DrJones | Right now Im using the liquid theme |
| 10:43:55 | sandman | ipkg install opie-launchersettings |
| 10:44:04 | sandman | per tab configuration |
| 10:46:11 | DrJones | ok, but I still can't find the place to choose a pic :) |
| 10:46:29 | sandman | lauchersettings -> Tabs -> select tab -> edit |
| 10:48:03 | DrJones | wow! thanks :) |
| 10:52:25 | Burner23 | Hello |
| 10:52:42 | DrJones | sandman : you rock :) |
| 10:53:06 | Burner23 | Does anyone know why I have to hardreboot my Ipaq after Suspending it 5-6 times. ?? |
| 10:53:15 | Burner23 | Is this a known problem? |
| 10:53:22 | Burner23 | The bateries are ok. |
| 10:53:25 | sandman | Burner23: H36xx ? |
| 10:53:46 | Burner23 | yes |
| 10:53:53 | Burner23 | 3630 |
| 10:54:15 | sandman | This is a known, but mysterious problem -- Most likely a kernel bug |
| 10:54:56 | Burner23 | strange :) |
| 10:55:07 | sandman | And it affects only a few units .. mine for example works perfectly |
| 10:56:23 | sandman | Burner23: You could try to upgrade the kernel to hh21 -- i've made some apm fixes, that should be in -- this _might_ help |
| 10:56:52 | Burner23 | hmm I try it, when I go home. |
| 10:57:02 | Burner23 | is there a feed for the kernel? |
| 11:03:36 | sandman | Burner23: No need to worry -- I just checked it -- the patches are not in yet |
| 11:04:03 | DrJones | So sandman, when do you think the mail stuff will be fixed? ;) |
| 11:04:09 | sandman | Burner23: But the normal kernel is in the standard familiar feed |
| 11:04:24 | Burner23 | how can I find out what version I got ? |
| 11:04:37 | sandman | DrJones: When Groucho recompiles the feed |
| 11:05:14 | DrJones | Im new to this whole thing, how often does that usually happen? |
| 11:08:03 | sandman | DrJones: ~ 2 times a week -- but he is currently at the Systems in Munich |
| 11:08:13 | sandman | Burner23: ipkg list |grep ^kernel |
| 11:08:42 | sandman | Burner23: or ls -l /boot |
| 11:08:48 | DrJones | So, any idea on the other problem, getting mediaplayer2 to work? |
| 11:09:13 | sandman | reinstall mediplayer + codecs from the 131.... feed |
| 11:09:57 | DrJones | 131 feed? |
| 11:09:58 | Burner23 | thx sandman |
| 11:10:15 | | hmmm... opie feed is http://opie.handhelds.org/feed/ipaq or newer on http://131.152.105.154/feeds/ipaq/unstable/ or at http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/feeds/3.0/ or http://opie.handhelds.org/feed/zaurus or http://opie.net.wox.org |
| 11:10:15 | sandman | ibot opie feed |
| 11:10:26 | sandman | DrJones: http://131.152.105.154/feeds/ipaq/unstable/ |
| 11:10:46 | Burner23 | sandman: rmk3 |
| 11:11:26 | DrJones | # ipkg install opie-mediaplayer-codecs |
| 11:11:26 | DrJones | Downloading http://131.152.105.154/feeds/ipaq/unstable/(null) |
| 11:11:26 | DrJones | Syntax error: "(" unexpected |
| 11:11:26 | DrJones | ipkg_download: ERROR: Command failed with return value 2: `wget --passive-ftp -q -P /tmp/ipkg-khsIUe http://131.152.105.154/feeds/ipaq/unstable/(null)' |
| 11:11:27 | DrJones | type11error: Failed to download opie-mediaplayer-codecs. Perhaps you need to run `ipkg update'? |
| 11:11:40 | DrJones | hmmm |
| 11:12:09 | Burner23 | did you do a ipkg update ?? |
| 11:12:14 | Burner23 | DrJones: |
| 11:12:29 | DrJones | yes |
| 11:13:23 | DrJones | # ipkg update |
| 11:13:24 | DrJones | Downloading http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/releases/v0.6-rc1/base/armv4l/Packages |
| 11:13:24 | DrJones | Updated list of available packages in /usr/lib/ipkg/lists/v0.6-rc1-base |
| 11:13:24 | DrJones | Downloading http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/releases/v0.6-rc1/x/armv4l/Packages |
| 11:13:24 | DrJones | Updated list of available packages in /usr/lib/ipkg/lists/v0.6-rc1-x |
| 11:13:24 | DrJones | Downloading http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/releases/v0.6-rc1/opie/armv4l/Packages |
| 11:13:26 | DrJones | Updated list of available packages in /usr/lib/ipkg/lists/v0.6-rc1-opie |
| 11:13:28 | DrJones | Downloading http://131.152.105.154/feeds/ipaq/unstable//Packages |
| 11:13:30 | DrJones | Updated list of available packages in /usr/lib/ipkg/lists/opie |
| 11:13:32 | DrJones | # |
| 11:14:51 | sandman | DrJones: Did you really name both of the two opie feeds in your /etc/ipkg.conf "opie" (as in src opie http://.. ) |
| 11:15:13 | sandman | DrJones: If so, you could have screwed your packages list |
| 11:15:21 | DrJones | src v0.6-rc1-base http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/releases/v0.6-rc1/base/armv4l |
| 11:15:21 | DrJones | src v0.6-rc1-x http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/releases/v0.6-rc1/x/armv4l |
| 11:15:21 | DrJones | src v0.6-rc1-opie http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/releases/v0.6-rc1/opie/armv4l |
| 11:15:22 | DrJones | src opie http://131.152.105.154/feeds/ipaq/unstable/ |
| 11:15:53 | sandman | 12:39 < sandman> Which feed ? |
| 11:15:53 | sandman | 12:40 < DrJones> src opie http://opie.handhelds.org/feed/ipaq |
| 11:15:53 | sandman | 12:40 < DrJones> src opie http://131.152.105.154/feeds/ipaq/unstable |
| 11:16:01 | DrJones | yeah |
| 11:16:15 | DrJones | *sigh* |
| 11:16:22 | DrJones | <-- lame |
| 11:17:42 | DrJones | Can I fix it? |
| 11:18:35 | sandman | DrJones: rm /usr/lib/ipkg/lists/opie ; rm -rf /opt/QtPalmtop ; ipkg update; ipkg install task-opie (no guarantee on this one ;) |
| 11:18:39 | AntiProxy | DrJones: sandman told you howto.. an hour back |
| 11:18:56 | AntiProxy | <sandman> That won't work very well .. |
| 11:18:57 | AntiProxy | <sandman> remove the handhelds.org |
| 11:19:22 | sandman | AntiProxy: He screwed the package list |
| 11:19:33 | sandman | Too late to remove it from /etc/ipkg.conf |
| 11:19:59 | AntiProxy | sandman: he can fix it by cleaning /usr/lib/ipkg/lists/* |
| 11:20:05 | AntiProxy | ( happened to me before ) |
| 11:20:06 | AntiProxy | .) |
| 11:20:16 | DrJones | it didn't do anything. :( |
| 11:20:34 | AntiProxy | DrJones: well.. then go the status file. and clean the duplicated manually |
| 11:20:35 | AntiProxy | .\ |
| 11:20:35 | DrJones | It thinks task-opie is already instlaled |
| 11:20:52 | AntiProxy | i always remove the dummy packages after installing them |
| 11:23:11 | DrJones | How do I get /opt/QtPalmtop back? |
| 11:23:22 | AntiProxy | you reinstall all of opie |
| 11:25:16 | DrJones | It won't let me, it thinks its all still installed |
| 11:25:44 | sandman | ipkg -force-reinstall |
| 11:26:35 | DrJones | That doesn't work. |
| 11:27:18 | sandman | Mach ich heut abend -- dann kann ich auch mit ljp gleich reden, wegen Permissions auf den Verzeichnissen |
| 11:27:24 | sandman | wrong window |
| 11:27:34 | DrJones | *sigh* |
| 11:28:14 | AntiProxy | DrJones: as i said... edit the status file, and remove all the opie-related packages manually |
| 11:28:31 | DrJones | Ok, which is the status file? |
| 11:28:38 | AntiProxy | or as an easy way out.. take a backup of your stuff, and reinstall everything from scratch |
| 11:28:43 | AntiProxy | ( flash a new image ) |
| 11:29:08 | AntiProxy | /usr/lib/ipkg/status |
| 11:29:23 | DrJones | Ok, I removed it, and ipkg install task-opie-complete |
| 11:29:31 | AntiProxy | dammit |
| 11:29:45 | AntiProxy | did i ask you to remove the file ? |
| 11:29:52 | AntiProxy | now all your other stuff is messed up .\ |
| 11:30:05 | AntiProxy | take a backup, and flash a fresh image |
| 11:30:06 | DrJones | oy! |
| 11:33:16 | DrJones | ok, boot to the boot loader, and load root ? |
| 11:34:07 | AntiProxy | yes |
| 11:34:32 | DrJones | do I have to do a partition reset ? |
| 11:34:51 | AntiProxy | no |
| 11:34:55 | AntiProxy | just load root |
| 11:35:11 | AntiProxy | you can 'set ymodem=1' and use ymodem to transfer the image |
| 11:35:14 | AntiProxy | ( faster ) |
| 11:35:56 | DrJones | I don't have ymodem.. i have x and z |
| 11:37:01 | AntiProxy | minicom has all of them |
| 11:37:26 | DrJones | Im doing this from a XP machine.. I don't have a linux box at home |
| 11:37:43 | AntiProxy | blah.. well i dont know then |
| 11:37:46 | AntiProxy | stick to xmodem |
| 11:37:47 | DrJones | lol |
| 11:37:52 | DrJones | yeah |
| 11:37:58 | DrJones | Im getting the new image |
| 11:38:07 | DrJones | Familiar v0.6-rc1 bootopie-v06-18.jffs2 |
| 11:39:45 | DrJones | ok, Im goin to sleep.. its 4:39am here and I've done enough damage. |
| 11:39:56 | DrJones | Thanks sandman and AntiProxy |
| 11:40:14 | DrJones | Ill try to not be sucha dumbshit next time. |
| 11:40:21 | AntiProxy | heh |
| 11:40:27 | DrJones | nite |
| 11:40:43 | AntiProxy | hmm |
| 11:40:45 | AntiProxy | BitchX |
| 11:40:50 | AntiProxy | on windows XP ? |
| 11:41:02 | Indi-- | confused |
| 11:41:05 | Indi-- | :) |
| 11:41:20 | Indi-- | there is a doze BX port isnt there ... |
| 11:41:21 | AntiProxy | to that extent?! |
| 11:41:22 | AntiProxy | damn |
| 11:41:23 | AntiProxy | heh |
| 11:41:24 | Indi-- | heh |
| 11:41:25 | AntiProxy | dunno |
| 11:41:52 | Indi-- | at least he's saved his ipaq :) |
| 13:38:49 | nr | is opie-player-2 able to catch a video stream and play it ? |
| 13:39:38 | spiralman | yeah, should be able to |
| 13:39:45 | nr | cool |
| 13:40:02 | spiralman | as long as the filetype is streamable, and is supported by player2 (xine) |
| 13:40:23 | nr | op2 is xine ? |
| 13:40:52 | spiralman | yes |
| 13:41:09 | nr | xine is for X11, I think, isnt ? |
| 13:41:17 | spiralman | no |
| 13:41:29 | nr | ok |
| 13:42:04 | spiralman | the GUI for it is x based, but the decoder stuff isnt, which is all op2 uses |
| 13:42:11 | spiralman | and is also the most important part |
| 13:42:26 | nr | thanks |
| 13:42:48 | spiralman | np |
| 13:52:12 | nr | for url should I type something like "udpstream://server:1234/" ? |
| 14:00:02 | Indi-- | does the irda port show up as a serial device ? (assuming you have the modules, lirc, etc.. installed and working) |
| 14:00:12 | Indi-- | if not, can it be configured ? |
| 14:03:21 | spiralman | nr: only http works |
| 14:03:34 | spiralman | Indi--: lirc does not emulate a serial device |
| 14:03:58 | spiralman | Indi--: you need the modules that make the irda port look like a serial port (i dont remember what they are called) |
| 14:04:08 | Indi-- | thanks |
| 14:04:32 | spiralman | np |
| 14:08:52 | nr | only http ? so I can't use vlms as server :( |
| 14:09:16 | spiralman | vlms uses http |
| 14:09:23 | nr | oh |
| 14:09:35 | spiralman | it can be configured to anyway |
| 14:13:53 | nr | ? someone on #videolan said vlms only does UDP so ?? |
| 14:14:08 | nr | I'll check the docs :) |
| 14:14:15 | spiralman | udp is like tcp, its not analagous to http |
| 14:14:22 | spiralman | http runs over udp or tcp |
| 14:15:07 | spiralman | well, it should be able to |
| 14:15:11 | nr | so I could use op2 and vlms together ? |
| 14:15:38 | spiralman | yes, you should be able to, i know somebody used op2 and vls togother, i dont know why vlms wont work |
| 14:16:39 | nr | ok thanks |
| 14:16:43 | spiralman | np |
| 14:19:25 | JasonNJ | morning |
| 14:19:42 | spiralman | morning |
| 14:22:24 | nr | anyway which servers would you recommend to stream video with op2 ? |
| 14:22:46 | spiralman | where is the video comming from? |
| 14:23:20 | spiralman | ie, is it off a tv card, just some file somewhere, a dvd, what? |
| 14:23:39 | nr | from a mpg file |
| 14:23:46 | spiralman | then use some web server |
| 14:23:54 | nr | really ? |
| 14:24:11 | spiralman | yes |
| 14:25:22 | nr | apache will just stream it instead of sending it entirely ? |
| 14:25:38 | spiralman | its really not up to the server, its up to the player |
| 14:25:47 | nr | cool :) |
| 14:31:21 | nr | spiralman: it works, that's great ! |
| 14:32:05 | spiralman | cool |
| 14:32:07 | nr | but it keeps telling me "there is enough memory again" |
| 14:32:20 | spiralman | there is enough, or isnt? |
| 14:32:46 | nr | it sound queer, I guess there isnt enough |
| 14:32:52 | nr | but it says: |
| 14:33:10 | nr | "there is enough memory again" |
| 14:33:26 | nr | says that again and again |
| 14:33:30 | spiralman | hrm |
| 14:33:36 | spiralman | where did you get the ipkg? |
| 14:33:59 | nr | mean op2 ? killefiz I think |
| 14:34:05 | spiralman | yeah |
| 14:34:08 | spiralman | ok, i dont know |
| 14:34:13 | spiralman | ask Harlekin what it means i guess |
| 14:34:17 | spiralman | ive gotta run now... |
| 14:34:20 | spiralman | is away: class |
| 14:34:22 | nr | thanks for help |
| 14:34:37 | spiralman | np |
| 15:03:49 | benmeyer | Hey kergoth |
| 15:03:51 | benmeyer | cvs update |
| 15:04:02 | benmeyer | network setup should recognize usb0 now |
| 15:04:21 | Harlekin | hey |
| 15:04:38 | Harlekin | benmeyer: btw, package name from backup is wrong |
| 15:04:42 | Harlekin | should be opie-backup |
| 15:04:46 | benmeyer | why? |
| 15:04:47 | benmeyer | no |
| 15:05:00 | benmeyer | you can name that package that, but the exe is backup |
| 15:05:04 | benmeyer | or databackup |
| 15:05:04 | Harlekin | yes |
| 15:05:07 | benmeyer | or whatever it is |
| 15:05:10 | Harlekin | package |
| 15:05:16 | Harlekin | name |
| 15:05:22 | ljp_work | how about calling it 911 |
| 15:05:58 | ljp_work | as in the frickin phone number |
| 15:07:16 | benmeyer | hmmm... I am trying to edit a vi file and it says that it is busy |
| 15:07:22 | benmeyer | how do I "unbusy" it |
| 15:07:36 | kergoth | benmeyer: wlan config is being lost, last i checked. that is, it writes out the wireless.opts, but the Config isnt being written, cause when i go back in on that interface its still empty, back to defaults |
| 15:07:53 | Harlekin | kergoth: hey |
| 15:07:56 | benmeyer | yah, that is that Config error |
| 15:07:59 | ljp_work | use emacs |
| 15:08:02 | Harlekin | kergoth: could you move the old netsetup stuff to unsupported? |
| 15:08:09 | benmeyer | I don't really understand why use use Config anyway in that case |
| 15:08:21 | benmeyer | ljp- no emacs on the z |
| 15:09:26 | ljp_work | I have it |
| 15:11:10 | benmeyer | Doesn't the app read the wireless.opts? |
| 15:13:52 | benmeyer | ok, fixing that |
| 15:30:03 | benmeyer | kergoth & Harlekin: ok, added and updated icons and got the rest of the interfaces to show up |
| 15:30:10 | Harlekin | cool |
| 15:30:24 | benmeyer | now disconnected interfaces show up also |
| 15:30:26 | Harlekin | and maybe write online doc |
| 15:30:27 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 15:30:35 | benmeyer | ? |
| 15:30:43 | ljp_work | today needs docs |
| 15:30:44 | Harlekin | for the (?) button |
| 15:30:47 | benmeyer | My code is very well documented thank.. |
| 15:30:48 | Harlekin | ljp_work: yes |
| 15:30:49 | benmeyer | oh that |
| 15:30:50 | benmeyer | :-D |
| 15:30:51 | Harlekin | ljp_work: working on it |
| 15:30:57 | Harlekin | benmeyer: forusers |
| 15:31:02 | Harlekin | how to use the app |
| 15:31:15 | Harlekin | benmeyer: btw, on my desktop eth0 shows with ip 0.0.0.0 |
| 15:31:19 | benmeyer | hehe still figuring it out myself |
| 15:31:22 | kergoth | k netsetup is in unsupported |
| 15:31:29 | Harlekin | kergoth: fs move? |
| 15:31:38 | benmeyer | Harlekin: what is its ip? |
| 15:31:41 | kergoth | Harlekin: yeah |
| 15:31:50 | Harlekin | benmeyer: 10.99.64.14 |
| 15:31:55 | Harlekin | kergoth: great |
| 15:32:00 | benmeyer | odd, via info you get that/ |
| 15:32:01 | benmeyer | ? |
| 15:32:10 | Harlekin | benmeyer: you mean ifconfig? |
| 15:32:11 | Harlekin | yes |
| 15:32:25 | benmeyer | I mean in the app you get that when you click on information? |
| 15:34:06 | Harlekin | ah |
| 15:34:12 | Harlekin | still 0.0.0.0 |
| 15:34:16 | Harlekin | but netmask etc are right |
| 15:34:39 | benmeyer | cat me your ifconfig output |
| 15:34:53 | benmeyer | like my wlan icon? |
| 15:34:55 | benmeyer | :-D |
| 15:35:01 | benmeyer | spent all of maybe 10 minutes on it |
| 15:35:14 | benmeyer | inet Adresse? |
| 15:35:20 | benmeyer | what is Adresse? |
| 15:35:35 | benmeyer | inet addr:172.29.24.147 |
| 15:35:41 | benmeyer | that is what normally it would show.... |
| 15:35:42 | Harlekin | ah |
| 15:35:44 | Harlekin | hehe |
| 15:35:47 | Harlekin | its german |
| 15:35:48 | Harlekin | ok |
| 15:35:51 | benmeyer | oh! |
| 15:35:52 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 15:35:57 | Harlekin | so you dont parse proc dir |
| 15:36:00 | Harlekin | but ifconfig output |
| 15:36:01 | Harlekin | k |
| 15:36:02 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 15:36:02 | benmeyer | yup |
| 15:36:08 | benmeyer | proc would be better |
| 15:36:24 | benmeyer | actually if you can make a class that parses it and gives me that info.... |
| 15:36:32 | benmeyer | it would be most aprichiated |
| 15:36:51 | Harlekin | hehe |
| 15:36:56 | Harlekin | post opieI |
| 15:37:00 | Harlekin | to much on my list before that |
| 15:37:10 | benmeyer | ok |
| 15:38:19 | benmeyer | is there any special usb stuff? |
| 15:38:24 | benmeyer | to configure/show? |
| 15:38:34 | benmeyer | i.e. is there any point to a usb module |
| 15:38:59 | kergoth | nothing special about usb, its just a regular interface |
| 15:39:08 | benmeyer | what about stats? |
| 15:39:14 | kergoth | ? |
| 15:39:26 | benmeyer | any usb specific stats that could be shown |
| 15:39:35 | kergoth | nope |
| 15:40:26 | benmeyer | hotswap? |
| 15:40:32 | benmeyer | where would that be configured? |
| 15:40:36 | benmeyer | pcmcia? |
| 15:41:26 | kergoth | hotplug. |
| 15:41:33 | benmeyer | yah, my bad |
| 15:41:34 | kergoth | hotplug does it all, you dont need to do anything |
| 15:41:38 | kergoth | it'll run ifup/ifdown |
| 15:42:03 | benmeyer | yah, but still to add a new usb device I guess the driver ipk would set that up wouldn't it |
| 15:42:24 | kergoth | well, yeah, you dont 'add' a usb device in the app |
| 15:42:34 | kergoth | if you plug it into usb and you have the right bits installed, its all done for you |
| 15:42:54 | benmeyer | true, ok cool, so no usb module to write :-D |
| 15:42:54 | Harlekin | benmeyer: can you rename the backup control file? |
| 15:43:07 | benmeyer | isn't really sure where it is :-D |
| 15:43:21 | Harlekin | noncore/apps/backup |
| 15:43:23 | Harlekin | or simular |
| 15:43:31 | Harlekin | id like to add it to ipaqs bootstrap task |
| 15:43:37 | Harlekin | as also netsetup |
| 15:44:00 | Harlekin | when its able to configure usbnet too |
| 15:44:01 | Harlekin | ,-) |
| 15:44:21 | benmeyer | ? |
| 15:44:24 | benmeyer | config7ure usbnet? |
| 15:45:19 | kergoth | ? |
| 15:45:25 | kergoth | usbnet should use interfaces |
| 15:45:30 | kergoth | hotplug should call ifup/ifdown |
| 15:45:36 | kergoth | in which case networksetup already supports it |
| 15:45:38 | kergoth | eh? |
| 15:45:45 | Harlekin | kergoth: yes |
| 15:45:47 | kergoth | benmeyer: ipaq usbnet interface is usbf, btw |
| 15:45:56 | Harlekin | JasonNJ: but to set ips |
| 15:46:03 | kergoth | ? |
| 15:46:04 | Harlekin | netsetup is usefull |
| 15:46:11 | kergoth | is confused |
| 15:46:11 | Harlekin | not everybody has the default ips set |
| 15:46:24 | Harlekin | and yes, it allready supports it |
| 15:46:24 | kergoth | networksetup can alter the ip config of any interface usign interfaces |
| 15:46:25 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 15:46:28 | kergoth | doing so for usbf is easy |
| 15:46:29 | kergoth | okay |
| 15:46:29 | kergoth | good |
| 15:46:30 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:46:30 | nchip | everyone should use dhcp :P |
| 15:46:34 | Harlekin | the point was that i wanted to add it |
| 15:46:39 | benmeyer | ? |
| 15:46:46 | benmeyer | isnt' that done via interfaces? |
| 15:46:54 | Harlekin | yes |
| 15:47:39 | kergoth | Harlekin: so you wanted to configure usbf before plugging it into usb |
| 15:47:40 | kergoth | Harlekin: right? |
| 15:49:08 | Harlekin | the point is more that currently people need to edit with vi via embeddedconsole |
| 15:49:16 | Harlekin | after they flashed the bootstrap |
| 15:49:17 | Harlekin | on ipaq |
| 15:49:24 | Harlekin | case they do not have the default ips |
| 15:49:35 | kergoth | benmeyer: can it add a configuration for an interface that doesnt yet exist, either up or down? |
| 15:49:37 | Harlekin | and want others fro usbnet |
| 15:49:52 | Harlekin | kergoth: he uses ifconfig -a |
| 15:49:54 | kergoth | Harlekin: why not familiar include a interfaces entry for usbf, with default options? |
| 15:49:56 | Harlekin | thats enoughj |
| 15:49:58 | kergoth | Harlekin: i know |
| 15:49:59 | Harlekin | yes |
| 15:50:01 | Harlekin | it does |
| 15:50:06 | Harlekin | its full configured allredy |
| 15:50:09 | kergoth | usbf exists when you arent plugged into usb? |
| 15:50:13 | Harlekin | but to a 192. something ip |
| 15:50:17 | Harlekin | yes |
| 15:50:20 | kergoth | its not on the zaurus. |
| 15:50:23 | Harlekin | but still shows via ifconfig -a |
| 15:50:26 | Harlekin | .) |
| 15:50:27 | kergoth | hotplug loads the module only when necessary |
| 15:50:29 | Harlekin | so its in |
| 16:00:27 | kergoth | benmeyer: so will we have the abilityi to "add" a interfaces entry for an arbitrary interface even if its not shown in ifconfig -a? |
| 16:15:16 | Nermal_Work | is away: at home |
| 16:16:34 | kergoth | benmeyer: or what about just showing interfaces set up in /etc/network/interfaces even if the interface doesnt exist atm? like for usbd0 when we arent in teh cradle |
| 16:21:35 | nr | is there a webpage explaining what are the relationships between qtopia, openzaurus, qte, qpe, opie ? |
| 16:22:11 | kergoth | nr: qpe = qtopia, qtopia and opie use qte, opie is a fork of the qtpoia codebase, openzaurus is a linux distro for the zaurus that uses opie as its GUI |
| 16:22:22 | nr | thanks |
| 16:22:34 | kergoth | np |
| 16:24:31 | nr | so, is the /home/QtPalmtop/libqpe.so.1.5.0 in opie usefull ? |
| 16:25:52 | nr | i mean when using oz ? |
| 16:26:13 | Harlekin | http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,217372,00.jpg |
| 16:26:15 | Harlekin | hehe |
| 16:29:02 | nr | Harlekin: :) guess it has been gimp'd |
| 16:29:19 | Harlekin | yeah |
| 16:29:26 | Harlekin | but still |
| 16:30:05 | benmeyer | kergoth: yes if you normally would such as with a ppp |
| 16:30:30 | benmeyer | kergoth: to answer your seconds question 'cvs update' |
| 16:30:45 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 16:30:50 | benmeyer | rm Makefile |
| 16:30:53 | benmeyer | etc |
| 16:31:02 | benmeyer | I changed a class from pure class to QObject |
| 16:31:15 | benmeyer | added icons too |
| 16:31:17 | benmeyer | weee |
| 16:31:19 | benmeyer | purty |
| 16:31:22 | Harlekin | nr: yeah its quite usefull |
| 16:32:01 | nr | ok |
| 16:34:28 | JasonNJ | http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid35/p679696be924884d851925ef0a019db36/fd2ab680.jpg.orig.jpg |
| 16:34:33 | JasonNJ | check that pic out |
| 16:34:41 | JasonNJ | thats him with the salmon he smokes |
| 16:34:57 | JasonNJ | he's a VLSI engineer |
| 16:35:06 | JasonNJ | designs FPGA's |
| 16:35:14 | kergoth | re |
| 16:35:28 | JasonNJ | right now he is out of work, so I am helping him earn extra money on the side doing boutique smoked food by mail order |
| 16:35:34 | JasonNJ | thats his hobby |
| 16:35:48 | JasonNJ | everyone in seattle is unemployed practically |
| 16:35:55 | JasonNJ | 30,000 people at boeing got laid off |
| 16:36:03 | JasonNJ | and the whole tech industry there is shit |
| 16:36:22 | kergoth | the tech industry is shit in most places |
| 16:36:37 | JasonNJ | worse in seattle |
| 16:36:41 | kergoth | ah |
| 16:36:57 | JasonNJ | seattle has apparently one of the highest unemployment figures anywhere |
| 16:37:16 | nchip | dont you have ms there? |
| 16:37:28 | JasonNJ | yeah, but they arent hiring like they used to |
| 16:37:41 | JasonNJ | you also got real, and they canned a lot of folks |
| 16:37:43 | nchip | ouch |
| 16:37:54 | JasonNJ | I was at MS last week |
| 16:38:01 | JasonNJ | things are very down |
| 16:38:04 | JasonNJ | all over |
| 16:38:41 | nchip | what's the unemplyment rate? |
| 16:39:33 | JasonNJ | I dont know the exact number but its very, very high. |
| 16:41:13 | JasonNJ | http://www.bls.gov/news.release/laus.t03.htm |
| 16:41:15 | JasonNJ | here ya go. |
| 16:41:54 | nchip | seattle is in washngton? |
| 16:41:59 | JasonNJ | yeah |
| 16:42:41 | JasonNJ | 7.2 percent |
| 16:42:47 | kergoth | ouch |
| 16:42:47 | JasonNJ | I beleive that is the highest in teh country |
| 16:42:50 | benmeyer | NYC is higher |
| 16:42:51 | JasonNJ | according to that table there |
| 16:42:57 | benmeyer | 7.6 |
| 16:43:04 | JasonNJ | yeah but thats nyc |
| 16:43:07 | JasonNJ | not the whole state |
| 16:43:08 | benmeyer | Alaska 7.3 |
| 16:43:34 | benmeyer | notes North Dekota only has 3.2.... |
| 16:43:37 | nchip | 7.2, here in finland the rate is still 9%.. |
| 16:43:47 | kergoth | benmeyer: so whats the scoop on devices that 1) arent in ifconfig -a and arent in interfaces, and 2) arent in ifconfig -a but *are* in interfaces .? |
| 16:43:48 | JasonNJ | anyways, for such a high tech city, its pretty miserable |
| 16:43:53 | nchip | 1995 we where close to 20 |
| 16:44:07 | benmeyer | kergoth they show up now as disconnected devices |
| 16:44:13 | benmeyer | _new_ icon |
| 16:44:15 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 16:44:21 | kergoth | benmeyer: what about ones that arent in interfaces, and dont exist? |
| 16:44:33 | kergoth | benmeyer: can we add arbitrary interfaces entries yet? :) |
| 16:44:38 | kergoth | via the add button of course |
| 16:44:39 | benmeyer | like what? |
| 16:44:46 | benmeyer | a usb ppp connect? |
| 16:44:52 | kergoth | yeah |
| 16:44:53 | kergoth | or |
| 16:44:59 | JasonNJ | hey, south dakota is looking pretty good. |
| 16:45:03 | benmeyer | that will be part of the ppp module which hasn't been written yet |
| 16:45:03 | JasonNJ | 2.6 percent. |
| 16:45:12 | kergoth | if the user was stupid and removed their usbd0 entry from interfaces, and its not plugged in to usb yet :) |
| 16:45:16 | benmeyer | what else would you like to add? |
| 16:45:17 | kergoth | but thats a rare circumstance |
| 16:45:26 | benmeyer | kergoth: try and remove the usb interface |
| 16:45:27 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 16:45:39 | benmeyer | already thought of that |
| 16:45:43 | benmeyer | can't remove hardware interfaces |
| 16:45:45 | kergoth | whew |
| 16:45:50 | kergoth | ah |
| 16:45:52 | benmeyer | sense the hardware is always there |
| 16:45:52 | kergoth | good good |
| 16:45:53 | nchip | no wonder your goverment is trying to make you think about saddam instead on unemployment... |
| 16:46:08 | benmeyer | you can remove dynamic connections such as ppp stuff |
| 16:46:14 | benmeyer | or ipsec stuff |
| 16:46:20 | kergoth | okay, no more gripes out of me :) |
| 16:46:29 | kergoth | gotta make sure you catch the corner cases, you know |
| 16:46:32 | kergoth | :) |
| 16:46:34 | benmeyer | yah I know |
| 16:46:41 | benmeyer | spent three months designing this |
| 16:46:47 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:46:50 | benmeyer | this is probably the 30th or so design |
| 16:47:04 | benmeyer | I literally have a stack of papers of design ideas |
| 16:47:30 | kergoth | needs to learn to design |
| 16:47:34 | kergoth | all i'm good at is bug fixes |
| 16:47:37 | kergoth | and tweaks and hacks |
| 16:47:38 | kergoth | :) |
| 16:47:53 | kergoth | but make me design something from teh ground up, and i'll not do well |
| 16:49:40 | benmeyer | kergoth: you played with the code a little bit no? |
| 16:49:46 | JasonNJ | nchip: bombing saddam is good for the economy |
| 16:49:50 | benmeyer | haha |
| 16:50:07 | JasonNJ | more bombs man |
| 16:50:15 | nchip | JasonNJ, yep, bombs are expensive these days.. |
| 16:50:30 | JasonNJ | more bombs more labor |
| 16:50:48 | JasonNJ | wartime economies are awesome |
| 16:50:56 | JasonNJ | more growth during wartime than any other |
| 16:51:35 | nchip | but you have to get the money somewhere for the war.. |
| 16:51:36 | ljp_work | not so.. look at vietnam |
| 16:52:00 | JasonNJ | well, thats because we screwed up the monetary system. |
| 16:52:05 | JasonNJ | we went off the gold standard |
| 16:52:07 | nchip | in long term wars allways kick back |
| 16:52:17 | JasonNJ | read milton friedman |
| 16:52:54 | JasonNJ | was an econ major and is a monetarist. |
| 16:53:29 | Harlekin | it allways depends where the money comes from, it think |
| 16:53:45 | ljp_work | too bad innocent people die in wars |
| 16:54:01 | JasonNJ | harlekin: never listen to germans about economic theory :) |
| 16:54:08 | treke|laptop | morning all |
| 16:54:17 | Harlekin | ljp_work: but they are evil |
| 16:54:20 | Harlekin | ljp_work: didnt you listen |
| 16:54:43 | JasonNJ | harlekin: your track record sucks worse than ours |
| 16:55:11 | Harlekin | yeah, just getting a third world country on first world level in 10 years |
| 16:55:15 | Harlekin | costs some money |
| 16:55:31 | JasonNJ | harlekin: a lot |
| 16:55:47 | Harlekin | its just 3/5 of germany .-) |
| 16:55:49 | JasonNJ | and the jury isnt out yet as to whether it was a good idea or not in hindsight |
| 16:56:50 | Harlekin | JasonNJ: and encomony has problems, since worker are not slaves |
| 16:56:53 | Harlekin | they have rights .-) |
| 16:56:55 | Harlekin | hard to fire |
| 16:57:35 | JasonNJ | yes, theres a huge downside to that :) |
| 16:59:22 | JasonNJ | hey neo. |
| 17:00:15 | Neo|Work | hey |
| 17:00:51 | Harlekin | hey neo, impressed some people yesterday with IF |
| 17:00:53 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 17:01:54 | Neo|Work | :) |
| 17:01:59 | JasonNJ | IF is a kickass game. |
| 17:02:09 | JasonNJ | I cant wait until the motorcycle one. |
| 17:02:22 | Neo|Work | indeed |
| 17:02:24 | Neo|Work | neither can I |
| 17:02:30 | Neo|Work | you've probably seen it though right? |
| 17:02:39 | JasonNJ | yeah I saw it last week at MS. |
| 17:03:11 | Harlekin | Neo|Work: so wheres the beta to test .-) |
| 17:04:19 | Neo|Work | I don't have the source for MSR yet |
| 17:04:23 | Neo|Work | so no beta or even alpha |
| 17:04:57 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 17:05:17 | nr | i keep getting the message "The memory is very low, please end this application immediately", whereas I have a lot of memory in /mnt/ram. is there a way to resize /mnt/ram ? |
| 17:08:43 | Neo|Work | nr: You are mixing up memory and storage it'd seem |
| 17:08:53 | nr | maybe |
| 17:09:41 | nr | by the way, i don't understand why data on the ram is still there after rebooting |
| 17:10:35 | nr | is it real RAM ? |
| 17:11:12 | ljp_work | its a warm reboot, leaving it intact |
| 17:11:49 | nr | ok, I guess removing the battery would erase it |
| 17:12:17 | benmeyer | kergoth: why does wlanimp.cpp use Config? |
| 17:12:29 | benmeyer | sense it parses the config file anyway.... |
| 17:13:20 | Harlekin | ok |
| 17:13:28 | Harlekin | now we need a matchbox adaption |
| 17:13:32 | benmeyer | the wireless.opts |
| 17:18:40 | kergoth | benmeyer: probably to avoid having to write a class for parsing wireless.opts that catches every corner case |
| 17:19:02 | benmeyer | hmm |
| 17:22:20 | kergoth | benmeyer: but feel free to change it, I'd much prefer avoiding Config at all. i mean right now the first time you run it, its default settings regardless of the contents of wireless.opts |
| 17:23:08 | benmeyer | very true |
| 17:23:22 | benmeyer | I will probably do something similar to what I had for interfaces |
| 17:23:37 | benmeyer | once I more fully understand what wireless.opts does |
| 17:24:46 | kergoth | its just a shell script. now the annoying part, is the way it handles pcmcia schemes. |
| 17:24:55 | kergoth | benmeyer: are you using pcmcia schemes directly, or are profiles your own system? |
| 17:25:10 | benmeyer | ? |
| 17:25:16 | benmeyer | personally? |
| 17:25:20 | kergoth | profiles |
| 17:25:21 | kergoth | in networksetup |
| 17:25:29 | kergoth | how is that handled |
| 17:25:33 | benmeyer | oh, my own system that works with the mapping |
| 17:25:36 | benmeyer | in interfaces |
| 17:25:40 | kergoth | ah |
| 17:25:44 | benmeyer | don't know how pcmcia handles it |
| 17:25:49 | kergoth | hrm |
| 17:25:58 | kergoth | okay, so on profile change you rewrite wireless.opts? |
| 17:26:00 | kergoth | :) |
| 17:26:05 | kergoth | cause you'd have to |
| 17:26:12 | kergoth | unless you use pcmcia schemes |
| 17:26:16 | benmeyer | up to the module |
| 17:26:20 | benmeyer | but yes |
| 17:26:35 | benmeyer | probably re-name the file or something, still reading about wireless.opts |
| 17:26:37 | kergoth | and where will the config be stored? |
| 17:26:40 | kergoth | yeah |
| 17:26:43 | benmeyer | looks like it is almost a per-card deal |
| 17:26:45 | kergoth | wireless.opts.[profile] or something? |
| 17:26:54 | kergoth | not per card, per scheme, which may or may not be per card |
| 17:26:59 | kergoth | that case statement is the whole deal |
| 17:27:12 | benmeyer | can you cat my you default setting? |
| 17:27:28 | benmeyer | what is $ADDRESS? |
| 17:27:30 | kergoth | default wireless.opts contents? |
| 17:27:33 | kergoth | or |
| 17:27:35 | kergoth | ah |
| 17:28:44 | kergoth | well |
| 17:28:54 | kergoth | scheme,[unknown],[unknown],[mac address] |
| 17:28:58 | kergoth | from what i can tell, for a wireless card |
| 17:29:04 | kergoth | but address depends on what type of card you're using |
| 17:29:50 | kergoth | understand why pcmcia-cs sucks now? |
| 17:29:56 | kergoth | its a horrid implementation |
| 17:30:25 | benmeyer | bla |
| 17:30:33 | benmeyer | do we use pcmcia-cs? |
| 17:30:40 | benmeyer | I thought we used the kernel pcmcia |
| 17:31:18 | kergoth | ? |
| 17:31:22 | kergoth | kernel pcmcia is *drivers* |
| 17:31:23 | kergoth | thats all |
| 17:31:27 | kergoth | pcmcia-cs also includes drivers |
| 17:31:31 | kergoth | which drivers you use is irrelevent |
| 17:31:40 | kergoth | pcmcia-cs is the configuration scripts and daemon that manages pcmcia |
| 17:31:44 | kergoth | and its the only option for doing so atm |
| 17:32:03 | benmeyer | oh ok |
| 17:32:19 | kergoth | cardmgr, cardctl, /etc/pcmcia/*, *thats* pcmcia-cs |
| 17:32:20 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:32:24 | benmeyer | the *,*,*,*) thing |
| 17:32:32 | kergoth | thats the address |
| 17:32:33 | benmeyer | what goes before the ")" |
| 17:32:35 | benmeyer | ip? |
| 17:32:39 | kergoth | *,*,*,*) matches anything |
| 17:32:46 | kergoth | 12:38 < kergoth> scheme,[unknown],[unknown],[mac address] |
| 17:32:46 | kergoth | 12:38 < kergoth> from what i can tell, for a wireless card |
| 17:32:46 | kergoth | 12:38 < kergoth> but address depends on what type of card you're using |
| 17:32:49 | benmeyer | yah, but what are the 4 values |
| 17:32:56 | kergoth | pasted from 5 mins ago |
| 17:32:56 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:33:01 | benmeyer | what about when they have more then 4 |
| 17:33:05 | kergoth | ? |
| 17:33:15 | kergoth | i dont believe it gets called with more than 4 values |
| 17:33:28 | benmeyer | *,*,*,)):60:1D:*|*,*,*,*00:02:2D:*) |
| 17:33:32 | kergoth | ? |
| 17:33:38 | kergoth | yeah.. |
| 17:33:39 | kergoth | | |
| 17:33:41 | benmeyer | and example in the file |
| 17:33:43 | kergoth | yes |
| 17:33:43 | kergoth | | |
| 17:33:46 | kergoth | or |
| 17:33:46 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 17:33:49 | kergoth | this or that |
| 17:33:53 | kergoth | matches multiple addresses |
| 17:34:15 | kergoth | see why this is a bitch? |
| 17:34:22 | kergoth | i would avoid locking down the config to a given mac addy |
| 17:34:48 | kergoth | but you could use the first parameter (pcmcia scheme), along with setting /var/lib/pcmcia/scheme to use schemes to manage the profiles |
| 17:34:59 | kergoth | the thing is, how do you determine which interface will be handled by pcmcia, and which not |
| 17:35:04 | benmeyer | for home/work etc? |
| 17:35:06 | kergoth | as this applies to more than just wlan, also lan |
| 17:35:07 | benmeyer | all |
| 17:35:07 | kergoth | exactly |
| 17:35:18 | kergoth | and usbd0 obviously isnt dealt with using pcmcia |
| 17:36:29 | benmeyer | how wo7uld it apply to lan? |
| 17:36:44 | kergoth | well, in your case, because we arent using network.opts to configure, it hsouldnt |
| 17:36:46 | benmeyer | where is the scheme stored? |
| 17:36:48 | kergoth | in the netsetup case it does |
| 17:36:52 | kergoth | /var/lib/pcmcia/scheme iirc |
| 17:36:54 | kergoth | look in netsetup |
| 17:36:56 | kergoth | it uses it |
| 17:37:00 | kergoth | but hardcodes it to LANTCPIP |
| 17:37:02 | benmeyer | /var/lib/pcm... doesn't exist for me |
| 17:37:06 | benmeyer | oh it is a z thing |
| 17:37:08 | kergoth | its 3 possible paths |
| 17:37:09 | kergoth | no |
| 17:37:12 | kergoth | its a pcmcia-cs thing. |
| 17:37:17 | benmeyer | wee |
| 17:37:18 | kergoth | and it wont exist unless you have pcmcia-cs installed |
| 17:37:24 | kergoth | fun stuff, eh |
| 17:37:35 | kergoth | pester david woodhouse to finish the pcmcia subsystem rewrite to use hotplug and other niftiness |
| 17:37:39 | kergoth | and pcmcia-cs will go away |
| 17:37:42 | benmeyer | hmm, but I do |
| 17:37:44 | kergoth | :) |
| 17:37:46 | kergoth | ? |
| 17:38:06 | kergoth | well, if the scheme file in proc doesnt exist |
| 17:38:17 | kergoth | then it uses whatever default scheme is set in the pcmcia.conf |
| 17:38:36 | kergoth | for OZ thats hardcoded to LANTCPIP cause my /var scheme file is lost on reboot, so when netsetup sets it, it gets reset |
| 17:38:43 | kergoth | (/var is a ramdisk) |
| 17:39:13 | kergoth | so anyway, scheme file and pcmcia.conf control the active scheme |
| 17:39:24 | kergoth | and the case statement assigns config options on a per scheme basis |
| 17:39:53 | kergoth | stabs pcmcia-cs repeatedly |
| 17:40:02 | benmeyer | hmm no pcmmcia.conf |
| 17:40:15 | kergoth | benmeyer: /etc/pcmcia.conf, or /etc/default/pcmcia, or .. |
| 17:40:24 | kergoth | benmeyer: could be distribution dependent, that default config file |
| 17:41:04 | benmeyer | ok debian has a /etc/pcmcia/pcmcia |
| 17:41:07 | benmeyer | but no sceme |
| 17:41:10 | kergoth | ? |
| 17:41:14 | kergoth | /etc/pcmcia/pcmcia? |
| 17:41:23 | benmeyer | guess it asums that you are using interfaces for that stuff |
| 17:41:23 | kergoth | i think deafult scheme if nothing is set is DEFAULT |
| 17:41:28 | benmeyer | ok |
| 17:41:43 | kergoth | i can double check, i had to dig deep into this shit to make sure netsetup actually worked in oz |
| 17:41:46 | kergoth | :) |
| 17:41:46 | benmeyer | I can always just make the file in /var/ |
| 17:41:49 | kergoth | yeah |
| 17:42:14 | kergoth | so is there a function(s) in the module that gets called to handle profiles? |
| 17:42:19 | benmeyer | or even better the pcmcia package can do it for me |
| 17:42:23 | kergoth | in that case we just need to implement it in wlanmodule |
| 17:42:36 | kergoth | benmeyer: cardctl scheme [blah] |
| 17:42:40 | benmeyer | wonders if I added that |
| 17:42:42 | kergoth | benmeyer: then cardmgr takes care of the details |
| 17:42:48 | benmeyer | setProfile(QString) |
| 17:42:48 | kergoth | :) |
| 17:42:50 | benmeyer | or something |
| 17:43:38 | kergoth | take a look at netsetup, it has scheme handling |
| 17:43:46 | kergoth | but it has no way to change the current scheme, so it never got utilized |
| 17:43:49 | kergoth | :) |
| 17:44:10 | kergoth | you know, it may be worthwhile to revamp the netmonapplet as well, perhaps add a means of changing scheme via the applet on those interfaces |
| 17:44:16 | kergoth | given that much thought? |
| 17:44:21 | kergoth | (netmonapplet i mean) |
| 17:44:47 | benmeyer | yes |
| 17:44:55 | benmeyer | pretty much each module should have an applet |
| 17:45:10 | benmeyer | along with one genaric network module |
| 17:45:27 | benmeyer | ppp applet, 802.11b, and network |
| 17:45:36 | kergoth | and the generic network module interfaces with the rest? cause having multiple icons on the taskbar, one for each interface, coudl get tiresome |
| 17:45:39 | benmeyer | all to be taken in as part of network setup in due time |
| 17:45:40 | kergoth | there isnt much room on the taskbar :) |
| 17:45:56 | Harlekin | benmeyer: better one applet in taskbar |
| 17:46:05 | benmeyer | well you have the ability to turn on/off applets.... |
| 17:46:05 | Harlekin | and then that applet with plugins |
| 17:46:12 | kergoth | Harlekin: exactly. |
| 17:46:16 | benmeyer | ok |
| 17:46:19 | Harlekin | so each "subapplet" is an entry in the "parent" applet |
| 17:46:24 | kergoth | yep |
| 17:46:31 | kergoth | that would be best for usability |
| 17:46:37 | benmeyer | in essence just a copy of the status dialogs from the network setup |
| 17:46:47 | Harlekin | maybe talk to Mickey|away to include his wireless applet as plugin |
| 17:46:53 | kergoth | Harlekin: good idea |
| 17:47:10 | Harlekin | since its pretty much all you might want as status applet for wireless |
| 17:47:12 | benmeyer | i.e. lots of code re-use, thus intigrate the projects for multiple binaries built from 1 code base |
| 17:47:19 | benmeyer | already done |
| 17:47:30 | kergoth | yeah, and scheme/profile changing would be generic |
| 17:50:04 | benmeyer | how is the sceme defined in /var/lib/pcmcia/scheme |
| 17:50:05 | benmeyer | ? |
| 17:50:11 | benmeyer | SCEME=ALL |
| 17:50:12 | benmeyer | or something? |
| 17:50:19 | benmeyer | just a 1 line of text? |
| 17:51:02 | kergoth | just a single line containing the scheme |
| 17:51:03 | kergoth | thats it |
| 17:51:19 | kergoth | you only need to read that to check what the current scheme is, eh |
| 18:00:56 | benmeyer | in a shell script how do you tell if one string contains another? |
| 18:02:48 | benmeyer | dong |
| 18:02:50 | benmeyer | grep |
| 18:03:13 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:03:28 | benmeyer | is rusty |
| 18:03:40 | kergoth | wastes so much time on scripting and distribution issues |
| 18:03:45 | kergoth | OZ has sucked me away from coding |
| 18:03:48 | kergoth | and into this crap |
| 18:03:49 | kergoth | sucks |
| 18:05:09 | benmeyer | if [ `grep $profile` != 0 ] echo $profile; exit 0; fi |
| 18:05:14 | benmeyer | hmm is ^ valid? |
| 18:05:39 | benmeyer | if [ `grep $iface $profile` != 0 ] echo $profile; exit 0; fi |
| 18:05:41 | benmeyer | I mean |
| 18:05:56 | kergoth | quotes |
| 18:06:14 | kergoth | if [ "`grep $iface \"$profile\"`" != 0 ]; then echo $profile; exit 0; fi; |
| 18:06:27 | kergoth | if profile is multiword or if grep's output is multiword yours will explode |
| 18:06:29 | kergoth | ugly shell errors |
| 18:06:29 | kergoth | :) |
| 18:06:39 | kergoth | sighs that he knows this |
| 18:07:57 | benmeyer | wait grep greps files |
| 18:08:03 | ljp_work | is a shell error |
| 18:08:11 | benmeyer | wondemmrs how grep became a verb there |
| 18:08:34 | kergoth | if [ "`echo $profile | grep $iface`" != 0 ]; then echo $profile; |
| 18:08:36 | kergoth | :) |
| 18:08:43 | kergoth | actually |
| 18:08:47 | kergoth | theres a better way |
| 18:09:01 | kergoth | if ( echo $profile | grep -q $iface ); then echo $profile; exit 0; fi; |
| 18:09:07 | kergoth | that will rely on exit status |
| 18:09:11 | kergoth | rather than stdout from grep |
| 18:09:20 | kergoth | grep -q is silent, doesnt output messages |
| 18:09:34 | benmeyer | Does while need a done? |
| 18:10:17 | kergoth | while blah; do heh; done; |
| 18:10:18 | kergoth | yep |
| 18:10:48 | benmeyer | #!/bin/sh |
| 18:10:48 | benmeyer | source /var/lib/pcmcia/scheme |
| 18:10:48 | benmeyer | iface="$1" |
| 18:10:48 | benmeyer | while read profile; do |
| 18:10:49 | benmeyer | if [ "`echo $profile | grep -q $iface`" != 0 ]; then echo "$profile"; exit 0; fi; |
| 18:10:50 | benmeyer | done; |
| 18:10:50 | benmeyer | echo "$iface"; |
| 18:10:52 | benmeyer | exit 0; |
| 18:11:00 | benmeyer | There we go |
| 18:11:03 | benmeyer | except the last echo doesn't work... |
| 18:11:04 | benmeyer | not sure why |
| 18:11:12 | kergoth | eck, change the if to use grep's exit status |
| 18:11:20 | kergoth | using `` means you're comparing its output from its stdout |
| 18:11:27 | kergoth | which is hackish |
| 18:12:11 | kergoth | i thought 'read' reads from stdin? |
| 18:12:20 | benmeyer | that it does |
| 18:12:25 | kergoth | if so, read wont pull the scheme from your 'source' |
| 18:12:27 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:12:39 | kergoth | while read profile; do echo $profile; done < /var/lib/pcmcia/scheme |
| 18:12:42 | kergoth | :) |
| 18:12:49 | kergoth | that will work |
| 18:12:53 | benmeyer | no |
| 18:12:58 | benmeyer | this is for interfaces |
| 18:13:04 | kergoth | ? |
| 18:13:09 | benmeyer | the man page is wrong |
| 18:13:13 | kergoth | ? |
| 18:13:14 | benmeyer | see debian bugs |
| 18:13:20 | kergoth | man page of what? |
| 18:13:23 | kergoth | i'm confused |
| 18:13:26 | benmeyer | interfaces |
| 18:13:37 | kergoth | what does that have to do with the syntax of using 'read'? |
| 18:13:51 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:14:00 | benmeyer | this script will be run with arg[0] being the itnerface to check for, and then piped in will be possilbe profiles |
| 18:14:09 | benmeyer | if one matches then it should echo it and exit |
| 18:14:17 | benmeyer | else echo the interfac name and exit |
| 18:14:36 | kergoth | ? |
| 18:14:42 | kergoth | then wtf is the source /var/lib/pcmcia/scheme for? |
| 18:14:46 | kergoth | still doesnt get it |
| 18:14:47 | benmeyer | This script doesn't set the sceme |
| 18:15:01 | benmeyer | to see what the current sceme is |
| 18:15:04 | benmeyer | hmm |
| 18:15:05 | benmeyer | one sec |
| 18:15:06 | kergoth | and whats it do with it? |
| 18:15:10 | benmeyer | true I forgot that |
| 18:15:13 | kergoth | i dont see you using that input anywhere |
| 18:15:13 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:16:12 | benmeyer | if [ "$profile_$SCEME" == "$iface_$SCEME" ]; then echo "$profile"; exit 0; fi; |
| 18:16:13 | benmeyer | there |
| 18:16:15 | benmeyer | that works |
| 18:16:31 | benmeyer | still doesn't give me that last echo though... |
| 18:17:05 | benmeyer | if [ "$profile_$SCEME" == "$iface_$SCEME" ]; then { echo "$profile"; exit 0; } fi;? |
| 18:17:07 | kergoth | s/SCEME/SCHEME/? |
| 18:17:07 | benmeyer | how do I do that? |
| 18:17:14 | kergoth | you dont need a {} block |
| 18:17:31 | kergoth | everything befoer the fi is implicitly part of the if block |
| 18:17:32 | kergoth | hey zecke |
| 18:17:43 | benmeyer | well I only want to exit is there is a match |
| 18:17:50 | benmeyer | i.e. exit is part of the then |
| 18:18:05 | kergoth | ? |
| 18:18:05 | kergoth | yeah |
| 18:18:08 | kergoth | exit is before fi |
| 18:18:17 | kergoth | therefore, exit is part of the if block, only if that is true |
| 18:18:17 | benmeyer | ok |
| 18:18:22 | kergoth | so its fine as is |
| 18:18:34 | benmeyer | so why doesn't it call that last echo $iface if nothing is imputed? |
| 18:18:35 | kergoth | try something like echo "test"; exit 0; |
| 18:18:38 | kergoth | as as sanity check |
| 18:18:44 | kergoth | it may be echo'ing, but profile may be empty |
| 18:19:02 | benmeyer | I am echoming arg0 |
| 18:19:10 | benmeyer | which I know exists :-D |
| 18:19:14 | kergoth | just echo test |
| 18:19:20 | kergoth | something definitive |
| 18:19:31 | kergoth | and put echo's of the variable contents in there to sanity check |
| 18:19:36 | kergoth | echo iface, profile, etc |
| 18:21:23 | benmeyer | ok works |
| 18:26:31 | zecke | hi kergoth |
| 18:26:47 | zecke | kergoth: Opie now (almost) runs on X11 |
| 18:26:53 | kergoth | zecke: nice :) |
| 18:27:02 | ljp_work | almost? |
| 18:27:15 | zecke | ljp_work: WM needs an update for the OK and X button |
| 18:27:23 | zecke | ljp_work: and launcher needs to be kicked arse |
| 18:27:36 | zecke | ljp_work: maybe a clean rewrite... but this will take place past Opie1.0 |
| 18:28:07 | JasonNJ | zecke: neat |
| 18:28:29 | zecke | at least CRL and Alan Cox will be happy |
| 18:28:50 | JasonNJ | yeah, but how much overhead does it add and is performance as good as the FB? |
| 18:31:14 | ljp_work | why will they be happy? that dont like using the fb? |
| 18:31:28 | treke|laptop | they like X |
| 18:31:42 | zecke | ljp_work: imagine a PDA is a X11 client |
| 18:32:07 | treke|laptop | JasonNJ: GTK perfmance is great. fonts and rotation rock hard. Guess it depends on QT |
| 18:33:01 | ljp_work | whens SHarp going to have a fuelcell pda? ;) |
| 18:33:29 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:34:00 | ljp_work | or.. a fuel cell battery for the zaurus :D |
| 18:34:30 | zecke | JasonNJ: at this state I'm happy that it runs at all |
| 18:35:08 | Harlekin | ljp_work: most major X guys are at CRL |
| 18:35:09 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 18:35:23 | ljp_work | ohhh.. heh |
| 18:36:04 | ljp_work | once you get it running, it would be interesting to do side by side performance comparisions |
| 18:40:50 | JasonNJ | I am not convinced that X is the way for us to go |
| 18:41:19 | JasonNJ | and it annoys me to no end that at the end of the day this is being done just to make Gettys happy |
| 18:41:33 | JasonNJ | we're supposed to do this stuff for end users |
| 18:41:36 | ljp_work | I think X on pda is overkill |
| 18:41:37 | JasonNJ | thats teh bottom line |
| 18:41:44 | Harlekin | JasonNJ: hmm, there might be cases where its usefull |
| 18:41:51 | Harlekin | JasonNJ: not for people useing it as pda |
| 18:42:00 | Harlekin | but in productive environments |
| 18:42:03 | JasonNJ | Harlekin: 802.11 use possibly |
| 18:42:04 | Harlekin | for companies |
| 18:42:14 | Harlekin | JasonNJ: or umts in europe |
| 18:42:14 | JasonNJ | but it has very little use over Wireless WAN |
| 18:42:19 | Harlekin | from next year on |
| 18:42:39 | JasonNJ | soething more along the lines of .Net or a similar RPC based client server protocol is better |
| 18:43:00 | benmeyer | Why doesn't Red Hat use interfaces? |
| 18:43:05 | JasonNJ | I had a demo of the .Net component framework at MS last week, and its actually good stuff. Linux needs something like that. |
| 18:43:20 | JasonNJ | they can do some cool stuff on handhelds with that. |
| 18:43:33 | kergoth | benmeyer: good question. |
| 18:44:31 | JasonNJ | at the end of the day, once X works in OPIE, the CRL guys are gonna go with GPE anyways. |
| 18:44:41 | JasonNJ | they have no interest in propoting a Qt based technology |
| 18:44:47 | JasonNJ | er promoting |
| 18:45:33 | benmeyer | CRL? |
| 18:45:34 | JasonNJ | OPIE has to stand out on its own |
| 18:45:40 | ljp_work | ya, because they are gnomer worshipers |
| 18:45:58 | JasonNJ | and in reality, needs its own support infrastructure |
| 18:46:04 | JasonNJ | it should rely on CRL/HH.ORG |
| 18:46:06 | JasonNJ | er shouldnt |
| 18:46:07 | ljp_work | and we all know Qt is tainted because it once had a non gpl license |
| 18:46:20 | benmeyer | yah <snicker> |
| 18:46:24 | treke|laptop | ljp_work: no. Because a large portion of familiar is gtk dependent |
| 18:46:52 | benmeyer | bla dump fammiliar |
| 18:47:06 | JasonNJ | gtk is a mess to use on a handheld.. but it doesnt matter if QT is better and more mature, they will go with what makes stallman happy |
| 18:47:15 | JasonNJ | or gettys for that manner |
| 18:47:27 | JasonNJ | if CRL loses its funding by HP its all over |
| 18:47:43 | JasonNJ | OPIE and OZ needs its own infrastructure sponsor |
| 18:48:03 | JasonNJ | HP has no interest in commercializing a linux PDA |
| 18:48:14 | kergoth | agrees wholeheartedly |
| 18:48:57 | JasonNJ | we should stop worrying about what everyone else thinks and do whats right for OPIE and OZ |
| 18:49:01 | Harlekin | JasonNJ: servers wouldnt be a problem for us |
| 18:49:09 | Harlekin | likes X |
| 18:49:21 | JasonNJ | I like X too.. on a desktop |
| 18:49:35 | Harlekin | maybe we should let us influence more by the direction where money comes from .-) |
| 18:50:36 | JasonNJ | okay, I agree with that, but we should stop deluding ourselves that hh.org is one big happy familiy |
| 18:50:58 | JasonNJ | it aint |
| 18:51:16 | benmeyer | I like X on a pda! |
| 18:51:25 | benmeyer | just never ever as the standard |
| 18:54:33 | Neo|Work | in all honest |
| 18:54:46 | Neo|Work | honesty, qte/qtopia/opie is far from a _great_ pda system |
| 18:54:58 | Neo|Work | better than X11 in many ways perhaps but it's big and slow, really |
| 18:55:12 | JasonNJ | personally I think its cool that OZ will have the ability to run X and PicoGUI as alternatives. But if this stuff is to be made commercially viable we have to start thinking about whats good for a consumer end user |
| 18:55:18 | Harlekin | Neo|Work: tried latest opie version which was compiled with optimisation? |
| 18:55:39 | JasonNJ | Neo: OPIE is improving a lot, but I agree with you, a lot of work needs to be done |
| 18:55:39 | Neo|Work | Harlekin: doesn't matter. It's still large |
| 18:55:46 | Harlekin | but fast |
| 18:55:49 | Harlekin | and wince is larger |
| 18:55:51 | Harlekin | and palm will die |
| 18:55:53 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 18:56:01 | Neo|Work | it's "wrong" to start with a large library and slim it down. it's better to start with a small one and beef it up |
| 18:56:25 | JasonNJ | but frankly I am impressed that in 6 months the OPIE guys have managed to make a pretty workable system whereas in 2 years the HH.ORG folks are just starting to get to the point where the first opie CVS was |
| 18:56:26 | benmeyer | depends |
| 18:56:27 | Neo|Work | PicoGUI is doing the right thing |
| 18:57:03 | benmeyer | it depends on the talent working on the projects |
| 18:57:10 | Harlekin | Neo|Work: but when other slim libs reach qt qual |
| 18:57:14 | Harlekin | they will be as big |
| 18:57:22 | treke|laptop | JasonNJ: hh.org has never really seemed to be working on making a pda though |
| 18:57:24 | Harlekin | and if you rip the template stuff out if qt |
| 18:57:27 | Harlekin | is much smaller |
| 18:57:29 | JasonNJ | the GPE stuff is going to be bigger |
| 18:57:31 | Neo|Work | Qt has nice widgets and all that, but it makes it hard to do things at a lower level (really) and the gui isn't great for a handheld |
| 18:57:33 | benmeyer | if the large project is designed well and is the 'right' choice then it will be ok |
| 18:57:55 | JasonNJ | neo: the launcher has to be redesigned, I agree. |
| 18:57:56 | Neo|Work | Harlekin: right, C++ bloating is often unintentional but very possible to add |
| 18:57:59 | JasonNJ | but baby steps. |
| 18:58:08 | Neo|Work | it's not like using for example STL is any better in that aspect |
| 18:58:15 | treke|laptop | JasonNJ: It wasnt until gpe got started that I really saw much effort on the PDA front |
| 18:58:20 | JasonNJ | and Qt needs to be further optimized |
| 18:58:28 | Harlekin | Neo|Work: TT is working on size for qt3.1/e |
| 18:58:40 | JasonNJ | all of which are acheivable |
| 18:58:45 | Neo|Work | Harlekin: wouldn't surprise me if qte3 is larger and slower personally. :P |
| 18:58:51 | benmeyer | qt3.1 combined with gcc 3.2 should be a significant improvment |
| 18:58:56 | Harlekin | Neo|Work: and wait for gcc3.2 and glibc2.3 |
| 18:59:02 | JasonNJ | neo: not from what I am hearing |
| 18:59:03 | benmeyer | exactly |
| 18:59:03 | Harlekin | yes |
| 18:59:12 | Harlekin | Neo|Work: it is larger currently |
| 18:59:14 | JasonNJ | qt 3.1 is supposed to be better performing |
| 18:59:19 | Harlekin | but just because all work goes into qt2 |
| 18:59:24 | Harlekin | since sharp whats to use qt2 |
| 18:59:27 | benmeyer | and TrollTech is working on making it smaller |
| 18:59:37 | JasonNJ | Harlekin: that is not set in stone |
| 18:59:45 | benmeyer | all the Qt2 work is getting in Qt3 |
| 18:59:54 | benmeyer | sense Sharp will eventually move to qt3 |
| 19:00:00 | Neo|Work | all I'm saying is that although qt is great in many ways, it's an uphill battle to make it more suitable for handheld targets |
| 19:00:02 | JasonNJ | I can assure you, Sharp HAS to move to Qt3 |
| 19:00:14 | JasonNJ | there are devices planned that would make it impossible to use Qt2 |
| 19:00:19 | Neo|Work | of course as speed / memory / storage on handhelds increases it becomes less important |
| 19:00:26 | JasonNJ | or rather, extremely painful to do. |
| 19:00:41 | Neo|Work | I think Trolltech are pretyt good GUI designers / developers |
| 19:00:50 | Harlekin | Neo|Work: i guess next gen pdas will have 64 flash 128 ram |
| 19:00:52 | Neo|Work | however they are horrid desktop environment developments |
| 19:00:59 | JasonNJ | neo: they make good tools, GUI designers they are not. |
| 19:01:03 | JasonNJ | there is a difference |
| 19:01:05 | Neo|Work | qtopia pretty much could have been done SO much better using the same gui |
| 19:01:19 | Neo|Work | JasonNJ: gui designer == designer of a gui library |
| 19:01:23 | Harlekin | Neo|Work: allways report feature whises via mantis |
| 19:01:26 | Neo|Work | not designers of user interfaces |
| 19:01:34 | JasonNJ | ok gotcha |
| 19:01:48 | Neo|Work | the most obvious example is the document tab |
| 19:01:57 | JasonNJ | cause UI design is a totally different animal |
| 19:01:59 | Neo|Work | someone sharp japan has pretty much fixed in the A300 |
| 19:02:07 | Harlekin | Neo|Work: yes, we change that too, in a ofileselector |
| 19:02:16 | Harlekin | Neo|Work: after the terminal app is done |
| 19:02:25 | Neo|Work | but the fact that the launcher is not configurable even to th extent that the base PalmOS one is is rather bad |
| 19:02:29 | Neo|Work | i.e list view vs icon view etc |
| 19:02:30 | ljp_work | the docs tab is there, because TT had an idea of a Document-centric system |
| 19:02:35 | Harlekin | Neo|Work: we have it |
| 19:02:40 | Harlekin | Neo|Work: list view / icon view |
| 19:02:55 | Neo|Work | Harlekin: right, but I'm talking about Qtopia nad how bad TT is at design |
| 19:03:02 | Neo|Work | they want to make it simple and instead make it dumb |
| 19:03:13 | Harlekin | for japanese |
| 19:03:23 | Neo|Work | and I must say that the tiny little (x) (ok) buttons are rather bad |
| 19:03:39 | benmeyer | size yes |
| 19:03:44 | benmeyer | but I LOVE the OK button |
| 19:03:48 | Harlekin | to |
| 19:03:51 | Harlekin | o |
| 19:03:52 | Harlekin | the look |
| 19:04:06 | JasonNJ | I like the way Windows CE handles the ok / x buttons |
| 19:04:09 | benmeyer | rather then having to add it to the dialog as an ok/cancel button |
| 19:04:14 | JasonNJ | pocket Pc really has a good interface |
| 19:04:15 | treke|laptop | JasonNJ: how do they handle it? |
| 19:04:27 | treke|laptop | doesnt like the wasted space of the titlebar |
| 19:05:08 | Harlekin | think wince has the worst interface |
| 19:05:09 | Harlekin | of all |
| 19:05:41 | JasonNJ | treke: context sensitive, its either an ok or an X |
| 19:05:41 | treke|laptop | havent used wince since 2.0 so it's hard for me to judge :) |
| 19:06:32 | zecke | ok I was away and read some parts of this channel |
| 19:06:50 | zecke | Performance and Memory wise Qt/E should kick X tinies ass... |
| 19:07:21 | zecke | but there are some parts where you really want X to be somewhere |
| 19:07:39 | zecke | for my school you could even imagine an X11 Opie/Kiosk systems |
| 19:07:46 | zecke | this would definately kick ass |
| 19:08:13 | zecke | Concerning speed and size: I do not know any toolkit which is as great as Qt |
| 19:08:28 | JasonNJ | zecke: Pocket PC also does not use dialog boxes |
| 19:08:29 | Neo|Work | benmeyer: they are annoying because you can't control them |
| 19:08:34 | JasonNJ | it shows everything full screen |
| 19:08:41 | Neo|Work | benmeyer: if I could decide to put them there or not fine. besides, they aren't needed |
| 19:08:48 | Neo|Work | the ok/cancel hardware buttons do the same thing |
| 19:08:50 | benmeyer | you can |
| 19:08:57 | benmeyer | Why do you think you can't? |
| 19:09:18 | JasonNJ | actually |
| 19:09:25 | JasonNJ | it looks like they do use dialog boxes |
| 19:09:28 | JasonNJ | but rarely |
| 19:09:34 | JasonNJ | like when you delete something |
| 19:09:36 | benmeyer | If anything it improves code making users use QDialog or QMainWindow/QWidget in the right place |
| 19:09:39 | JasonNJ | but you cant move the dialogs around |
| 19:09:43 | Neo|Work | zecke: speed and size is now where Qt is best, it's the toolkit itself that rocks (programming it) |
| 19:09:47 | benmeyer | and if you are really lazy you just set the widget args |
| 19:10:14 | JasonNJ | we need to also waste less screen area on the widgets |
| 19:10:20 | Neo|Work | benmeyer: if I have a QDialog I can't turn them off. How do I get a title bar without (X) and without (ok) exactly? |
| 19:10:24 | JasonNJ | right now the default qtopia wastes a lot |
| 19:10:31 | benmeyer | Neo|Work: see QWidget docs |
| 19:10:37 | benmeyer | it is simply an arg |
| 19:10:42 | benmeyer | you can overload it |
| 19:10:45 | Neo|Work | benmeyer: I have read docs, tried various arguments that should do it and it doesn't work |
| 19:10:49 | JasonNJ | the pocket pc and palm OS interface is very clean by comparison |
| 19:10:54 | JasonNJ | they make the most of the screen |
| 19:10:56 | Neo|Work | and I've asked about it with the answer that "why would you want to do that"? |
| 19:11:05 | Neo|Work | answer from TT people |
| 19:11:42 | benmeyer | Neo|Work: ok well then it is simply the shitty programming of the interns in australia that did qpe that rather then doing it the right way did it the fast way |
| 19:11:46 | benmeyer | BUT it shoudl work |
| 19:11:50 | benmeyer | it is not a limitation of qt |
| 19:11:58 | Neo|Work | benmeyer: thing it, it doesn't |
| 19:12:01 | zecke | JasonNJ: and concerning the make gettys happy... |
| 19:12:02 | Neo|Work | and therein lines the problem |
| 19:12:05 | Neo|Work | at least I never got it to work |
| 19:12:14 | benmeyer | Neo|Work: I have done it for KDE apps |
| 19:12:15 | zecke | JasonNJ: I'm happy that CRL gave away hardware.. |
| 19:12:23 | Neo|Work | which is why my highscore dialog for Eligo has both x and ok, while I only want ok or neither |
| 19:12:52 | Neo|Work | benmeyer: Uhm. In X11, there is no such titlebar. the titlebar is controlled byu the windowmanager in X |
| 19:13:02 | Neo|Work | Qtopia / OPIE is the windowmanager that goes with qte |
| 19:13:25 | Neo|Work | Qt(e) => well written, Qtopia => not so good |
| 19:13:51 | Harlekin | Neo|Work: enhanced matchbox with (?) (x) (ok) |
| 19:14:14 | Neo|Work | Harlekin: hmm? |
| 19:14:31 | Neo|Work | ? is another fun one. It's added automatically but I can't do it myself if I want my own builtin docs |
| 19:14:34 | Neo|Work | which would make sense |
| 19:14:46 | Harlekin | Neo|Work: then set eligo to just have x |
| 19:15:02 | Harlekin | and you can |
| 19:15:04 | Harlekin | add it |
| 19:15:08 | Harlekin | we do it by default |
| 19:15:16 | Harlekin | the autoadd is a hack from lineo or whoever on sharp rom |
| 19:15:31 | Harlekin | qtopia 1.6 (TT version) does it our way to |
| 19:16:51 | JasonNJ | treke: the OPIE guys getting hardware should have nothing to do with Getty's preferemce for X/ |
| 19:17:09 | treke|laptop | JasonNJ: that was zecke |
| 19:17:20 | Neo|Work | Harlekin: I can't no. The dialog can't be changed. it has x and ok |
| 19:17:37 | JasonNJ | thats like saying the OPIE guys get hardware from Sharp because I like to eat sushi. |
| 19:17:42 | Neo|Work | and nothing I have tried has worked to change it and the "official" TT response was "you don't want that" |
| 19:18:10 | Neo|Work | and if it's a problem in the sharp rom, so be it. it's still my main target platform |
| 19:18:44 | Neo|Work | what is CRL and Getty anyway? |
| 19:19:12 | JasonNJ | zecke: the OPIE guys are now getting hardware from Sharp because we recognize the value of your work, period, not because of some stupid technological bias. |
| 19:19:26 | ljp_work | opie devs get hardware? |
| 19:19:39 | JasonNJ | ljp: some of them are getting it on loan now |
| 19:19:43 | benmeyer | Neo|Work: the TrollTech QPE guys just don't want to do quate |
| 19:19:44 | JasonNJ | they just started to |
| 19:19:50 | ljp_work | zaurus? or a300? |
| 19:19:54 | JasonNJ | zaurus |
| 19:19:58 | ljp_work | oh |
| 19:20:01 | ljp_work | hmm cool |
| 19:20:17 | ljp_work | I have enough free zaurus, thank you very much! :) |
| 19:20:21 | Neo|Work | benmeyer: they don't seem to get UI / app design either |
| 19:20:27 | JasonNJ | ljp: talk to harlekin |
| 19:20:31 | Neo|Work | actually Qtopia kind of reminds me of BeOS |
| 19:20:36 | Neo|Work | it's ok but feels half done |
| 19:20:38 | ljp_work | dont need another one. |
| 19:21:07 | ljp_work | but I'm glad cause now I'll have an es\asier time with 'this doesn't work on zaurus. would you fix it' |
| 19:21:32 | JasonNJ | CRL is compaq research labs, now HP. Its run out of massachusets out of the old DEC labs. Jim Gettys is one of the original X guys, and now they sponsor the Handhelds.org site, which is all the familiar and linux and IPAQ stuff. |
| 19:21:33 | Neo|Work | most apps are very basic and all that. Obviously OPIE is moving faster in this aspect |
| 19:21:46 | Neo|Work | ok |
| 19:22:01 | JasonNJ | Gettys is also a member of the GNOME Foundation |
| 19:22:12 | JasonNJ | so he's mega biased. |
| 19:22:42 | benmeyer | well I am a kde core developer.... |
| 19:22:52 | benmeyer | to each his own |
| 19:22:57 | ljp_work | hardcore? |
| 19:23:09 | ljp_work | or softcore? ;) |
| 19:23:13 | JasonNJ | softcore. |
| 19:23:26 | JasonNJ | ben wont show penetration |
| 19:23:37 | ljp_work | hehe or do threesomes |
| 19:23:45 | zecke | JasonNJ: I'm a guy taking much things too serious |
| 19:23:52 | JasonNJ | ljp: his wife wouldnt appreciate it |
| 19:24:01 | zecke | JasonNJ: I got an iPAQ from the CRL and I really appreciate it |
| 19:24:30 | kergoth | peeks into the channel, shudders, and goes back to eating |
| 19:24:34 | zecke | JasonNJ: opie/X11 is likely to be influenced by 30% from the fact CRL kindfully gave me an iPAQ... |
| 19:24:39 | JasonNJ | zecke: and you should, but the technologies you work on should not be based on what the hell they tell you to work on |
| 19:24:46 | zecke | JasonNJ: besides that I had fun to create an IPC System |
| 19:25:07 | zecke | JasonNJ: nobody told me what I should do... |
| 19:25:27 | JasonNJ | zecke: if thats the case, then its fine. |
| 19:25:29 | zecke | JasonNJ: I had some emailing with Alan Cox too |
| 19:25:33 | Harlekin | yeah |
| 19:25:38 | Harlekin | alan was fun at linuxtag .-) |
| 19:25:42 | zecke | Alan is a guy I really really like |
| 19:25:52 | JasonNJ | but it gets on my nerves just how inflexible the CRL guys can be |
| 19:25:54 | zecke | he's giving me a network stack for Linux |
| 19:26:00 | JasonNJ | I've met with them in strategic meetings |
| 19:26:17 | zecke | and I'm happy if he even talks to me |
| 19:26:41 | zecke | Harlekin:from Waynes World "Wir sind unwuerdig..." |
| 19:26:58 | ljp_work | AC is too intelligent for his own good ;) |
| 19:28:07 | zecke | JasonNJ: and thats the Point Of View which different. You think from a Company and profit point of view |
| 19:28:30 | Harlekin | zecke wants to be like alan |
| 19:28:34 | Harlekin | working for fun and not money |
| 19:28:35 | Harlekin | --) |
| 19:28:45 | treke|laptop | who doesnt :) |
| 19:28:45 | zecke | JasonNJ: I think man it would be kewl if Opie would run on my fridge, watch, TuxScreen yeah and on this small X Terminal too |
| 19:29:06 | zecke | Harlekin: guess why i'm not cutting the hair coming from all over my face ;) |
| 19:29:20 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 19:29:31 | Harlekin | fridge to go |
| 19:29:32 | zecke | JasonNJ: Money is currently like.. "wtf if've to sue my dead to get the fscking child support" |
| 19:29:51 | zecke | Harlekin: just put the iPAQ with a wlan card a camera into the fridge |
| 19:30:12 | zecke | Harlekin: for one project im getting paid for I'll do an Opie/Oracle barcode scanning app... |
| 19:31:52 | zecke | Harlekin: is there any Linux Telephone API for the TuxScreen? |
| 19:32:20 | Harlekin | beginning |
| 19:32:26 | Harlekin | of something like that |
| 19:35:13 | treke|laptop | wishes he would have bought a tuxscreen when they were available |
| 19:35:23 | kergoth | too |
| 19:35:39 | zecke | too |
| 19:35:42 | Harlekin | has one |
| 19:35:46 | kergoth | bastard |
| 19:35:47 | kergoth | :) |
| 19:35:51 | zecke | Harlekin: don't lie to us |
| 19:35:58 | Harlekin | doestn bzflag has some left for |
| 19:36:03 | Harlekin | "special friends" |
| 19:36:04 | Harlekin | ? |
| 19:36:17 | kergoth | havent asked |
| 19:36:29 | ljp_work | probably |
| 19:36:44 | treke|laptop | bastard |
| 19:37:03 | treke|laptop | I did the whole "ah I'll have the money to buy one next month |
| 19:37:10 | treke|laptop | then next month they were gone :) |
| 19:37:16 | kergoth | treke|laptop: same here actually |
| 19:37:18 | kergoth | sucked |
| 19:37:46 | Harlekin | need to get a hd in there |
| 19:37:47 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 19:37:57 | kergoth | geh atd sucks |
| 19:37:57 | zecke | treke|laptop: shipping was more expensive than the phone |
| 19:38:07 | kergoth | have the familiar folks got suspend/resume scripts being handled by apmd yet? |
| 19:38:15 | treke|laptop | zecke: probably wouldnt be soo bad to the us though |
| 19:39:01 | kergoth | security hole in apm? |
| 19:39:03 | kergoth | mutters |
| 19:40:03 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 19:40:14 | benmeyer | where do you see that? |
| 19:40:23 | kergoth | bugtraq |
| 19:57:24 | benmeyer | Who here is good at ppp? |
| 19:57:34 | kergoth | :) |
| 19:57:42 | dwmw2 | benmeyer: }}}yy}} |
| 19:57:49 | kergoth | jeje |
| 19:57:49 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:58:12 | kergoth | dwmw2: back vile ppp speaking daemon |
| 19:58:21 | kergoth | :) |
| 19:58:34 | kergoth`mtg | "performance and goal training meeting" |
| 19:58:36 | kergoth`mtg | wtf? |
| 19:58:49 | dwmw2 | sounds more like bollocks to me |
| 19:58:52 | dwmw2 | take ipaq, play nethack |
| 19:58:58 | kergoth`mtg | ah i know |
| 19:58:59 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 19:59:00 | kergoth`mtg | buzzword bingo |
| 19:59:01 | dwmw2 | benmeyer: why do you ask? |
| 19:59:02 | kergoth`mtg | !! |
| 19:59:03 | kergoth`mtg | hehe |
| 19:59:08 | kergoth`mtg | wanders off to the meeting |
| 19:59:08 | benmeyer | for networksetup |
| 19:59:20 | Harlekin | we should throw (our) nethack out |
| 19:59:23 | Harlekin | and take warwicks |
| 20:00:50 | dwmw2 | benmeyer: anything in particular or just 'developer wanted'? |
| 20:01:09 | Harlekin | benmeyer: kppp port |
| 20:01:11 | Harlekin | ,-) |
| 20:01:16 | Harlekin | nice code |
| 20:01:20 | Harlekin | and a dial database |
| 20:01:23 | Harlekin | ans very little gui |
| 20:01:26 | Harlekin | easy port |
| 20:05:10 | benmeyer | where? |
| 20:05:14 | benmeyer | no |
| 20:05:23 | benmeyer | it doesn't replace it yet |
| 20:08:14 | benmeyer | hm |
| 20:08:20 | benmeyer | I could just copy kppp |
| 20:08:25 | Harlekin | yeah |
| 20:08:30 | Harlekin | adapt the gui a little bit |
| 20:08:40 | Harlekin | and then ah |
| 20:08:44 | Harlekin | you mean as plugin for netsetup? |
| 20:08:50 | benmeyer | y |
| 20:08:56 | Harlekin | kppp is good documented |
| 20:14:39 | Harlekin | benmeyer: could you change the backup package name |
| 20:17:11 | benmeyer | to what? |
| 20:17:24 | benmeyer | back to databackup :-D |
| 20:17:30 | Harlekin | opie-backup |
| 20:17:33 | benmeyer | ? |
| 20:17:34 | Harlekin | the control file |
| 20:17:37 | benmeyer | it isn't |
| 20:17:45 | Harlekin | ? |
| 20:18:45 | benmeyer | has no frigin clue where control files are kept in opie |
| 20:18:47 | benmeyer | 's cvs |
| 20:18:58 | benmeyer | opies cvs is a mess |
| 20:19:01 | Harlekin | no |
| 20:19:08 | Harlekin | they are ann in the dir of the app |
| 20:19:10 | Harlekin | as it should be |
| 20:19:20 | benmeyer | oh, then I guess it doesn't have one |
| 20:19:24 | benmeyer | can you make it |
| 20:21:02 | Harlekin | k |
| 20:21:03 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 20:21:07 | Harlekin | yyou ahve one |
| 20:21:11 | Harlekin | but its called backup.control |
| 20:21:15 | Harlekin | so thats also the package name |
| 20:21:20 | Harlekin | ill change it |
| 20:22:16 | benmeyer | I do? |
| 20:22:29 | benmeyer | oh someone must have made it |
| 20:22:41 | benmeyer | does update -d |
| 20:24:47 | ljp_work | man, that keyview app sure is fun! |
| 20:25:57 | | I can search easier if you give me something to look for. |
| 20:25:57 | benmeyer | ibot search zsi keybiew |
| 20:26:01 | | I can search easier if you give me something to look for. |
| 20:26:01 | benmeyer | ibot search zsi keyvew |
| 20:26:04 | | I can search easier if you give me something to look for. |
| 20:26:04 | benmeyer | ibot search zsi keyview |
| 20:27:16 | ljp_work | benmeyer: its in the development dir in opie cvs |
| 20:27:59 | Harlekin | kergoth`mtg: whats netsetups package name? |
| 20:28:26 | benmeyer | new or old |
| 20:31:47 | Harlekin | new |
| 20:31:55 | Harlekin | opie-networksetup? |
| 20:31:57 | Harlekin | looks like it |
| 20:32:01 | Harlekin | ill add it to the bootstrap task |
| 20:33:05 | Harlekin | glibc2.3.1 in sid |
| 20:38:16 | TheMasterMind1 | what's the ETA on the new documents tab (ofileselector) |
| 20:39:04 | Harlekin | when you make it |
| 20:39:05 | Harlekin | ,-( |
| 20:39:07 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 20:39:16 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 20:39:22 | TheMasterMind1 | isn't someone working on it? |
| 20:39:38 | TheMasterMind1 | also, who's the maintainer for cardmon |
| 20:39:49 | Harlekin | ofileselector lacks the calssic icon view |
| 20:39:53 | Harlekin | TheMasterMind1: i am |
| 20:39:57 | Harlekin | cardmo |
| 20:39:57 | Harlekin | n |
| 20:40:05 | TheMasterMind1 | ah i see |
| 20:40:09 | TheMasterMind1 | are you working on it any? |
| 20:43:04 | Harlekin | any bugs? |
| 20:45:34 | ljp_work | cardmon? yes, on z- trouble with sd |
| 20:45:49 | ljp_work | pull out if theres cf also |
| 20:45:56 | ljp_work | err |
| 20:46:28 | ljp_work | if there cf, and you pull out cf, sd and put cf and sd back in, sd doesnt show up |
| 20:46:42 | ljp_work | or something like that |
| 21:13:58 | spiralman | is back |
| 21:47:17 | mark | any up to date mirror up yet? |
| 21:47:26 | Harlekin | opie.inf |
| 21:47:27 | Harlekin | o |
| 21:48:58 | mark | Harlekin: thanks. konq/e is gone :( |
| 21:49:26 | mark | got it elsewhere though |
| 21:52:24 | | opie feed is http://opie.handhelds.org/feed/ipaq or newer on http://131.152.105.154/feeds/ipaq/unstable/ or at http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/feeds/3.0/ or http://opie.handhelds.org/feed/zaurus or http://opie.net.wox.org |
| 21:52:24 | sandman | ibot opie feed |
| 21:55:01 | Harlekin | mark: report it as bug |
| 21:55:07 | Harlekin | mark: its in one of the older feeds |
| 21:55:12 | Harlekin | groucho forgot it |
| 21:55:29 | | it has been said that opie bugs is http://opie.info/bugs/ |
| 21:55:29 | mark | ibot: opie bugs |
| 21:56:18 | Harlekin | mark: or write oliver a mail |
| 21:57:48 | | mark: i'm not following you... |
| 21:57:48 | mark | ibot: message for groucho konq/e doesn't appear to be in the new opie feed, I've been asked to let you know |
| 21:57:53 | mark | grr |
| 21:57:56 | | well, groucho is the feed maintainer of opie.info. Reach him at mailto:oliver.fels@gmx.net |
| 21:57:56 | mark | ibot: groucho |
| 21:58:38 | mark | emailed |
| 22:19:39 | AntiProxy | the right-click menus in opie are so darn hard to use.. cuz of the bug in the way opie handles menus |
| 22:20:00 | kergoth | AntiProxy: what bug? |
| 22:21:05 | AntiProxy | when you have two overlapping menus ( a menu, and a submenu ), clicking anywhere on the top menu seems to opie as if you clicked the one in the back |
| 22:21:11 | AntiProxy | dunno if i'm being clear |
| 22:21:20 | kergoth | ohhh |
| 22:21:24 | kergoth | i know what you're talking about |
| 22:21:27 | AntiProxy | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.22824.png <-- |
| 22:21:31 | kergoth | thats annoying |
| 22:22:11 | AntiProxy | yeah .\ |
| 22:22:17 | AntiProxy | disfunctional |
| 22:22:21 | AntiProxy | not just annoying |
| 22:22:21 | AntiProxy | heh |
| 23:48:09 | AntiProxy | bash-2.03# ipkg install opie-mediaplayer-codecs |
| 23:48:09 | AntiProxy | Downloading http://131.152.105.154/feeds/ipaq/unstable/(null) |
| 23:48:11 | AntiProxy | hmm |
| 23:50:50 | AntiProxy | ./opieplayer2: error while loading shared libraries: libxine.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 23:51:03 | AntiProxy | whats with the broken dependency list ? |
| 23:51:08 | sandman | AntiProxy: The Packages file is screwed -- it has tabs in the codecs entry |
| 23:51:30 | treke|laptop | AntiProxy: be happy, I think the package is broken :) |
| 23:52:05 | AntiProxy | http://131.152.105.154/feeds/ipaq/unstable/opie-mediaplayer-codecs_0.4_arm.ipk ? |
| 23:52:14 | sandman | No .. it worked perfectly at Systems running matrix2 as demo ;) |
| 23:52:50 | AntiProxy | hmm |
| 23:52:55 | treke|laptop | ok. I've heard reports of it crashing |
| 23:53:05 | AntiProxy | if libxine.so is the same that i have on a backup.. that's a whole 128kbs! |
| 23:53:11 | AntiProxy | .\ |
| 23:53:27 | AntiProxy | treke: it aint crashing.. it's looking for libxine.so which i don't have |
| 23:53:40 | treke|laptop | oh well. lunch time |
| 23:53:42 | sandman | AntiProxy: which is ine the codecs package .. |
| 23:53:53 | sandman | s/ine/in/ |
| 23:55:44 | AntiProxy | the codecs ipk downloads.. but doesn't install |
| 23:55:49 | AntiProxy | ipkg exits with status 0 |
| 23:55:49 | AntiProxy | .\ |
| 23:56:14 | AntiProxy | however.. i extracted libxine.so from a xine ipk and copied it manually |
| 23:56:17 | AntiProxy | ./opieplayer2: relocation error: ./opieplayer2: undefined symbol: xine_fast_memcpy |
| 23:58:05 | AntiProxy | 630KBs for the codecs ipk! |
| 23:58:09 | AntiProxy | that's even compressed |
| 23:58:13 | AntiProxy | bleh.. too much |
| 23:58:28 | AntiProxy | bash-2.03# ipkg install opie-mediaplayer-codecs_0.4_arm.ipk |
| 23:58:28 | AntiProxy | Terminated |
| 23:58:32 | AntiProxy | what's this about? |
| 23:58:44 | AntiProxy | ( i've pretty much given up on this already.. but i'm still wondering ) |
