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| 10:11.01 | zignig | hey sluggers. |
| 10:11.29 | zignig | has anyone had a look at the sc101 ( another netgear NAS ) ? |
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| 10:17.33 | NAiL | hmm |
| 10:17.39 | NAiL | uses a TI mips chip |
| 10:22.01 | zignig | there is linux for mips thought isn't there? |
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| 10:23.26 | zignig | NAiL: i want to run bacula and prefer the whole toaster thing rather than two devices. |
| 10:31.15 | NAiL | yeah, looks neater |
| 10:31.39 | NAiL | but it doesn't look like it has a lot of either flash nor ram |
| 10:35.28 | NAiL | Well, if it's hackable, it looks good ;) |
| 10:35.32 | rwhitby | very little RAM in that one. |
| 10:35.43 | NAiL | how much? |
| 10:37.03 | NAiL | Can't find a page with flash/ram specs. And I've got no idea whether it'll actually run linux ;) |
| 10:39.48 | rwhitby | I think we decompiled the kernel, and from the cmdline found it only had 16MB of RAM or something. |
| 10:39.53 | rwhitby | (that's from memory) |
| 10:40.22 | zignig | rwhitby: boom tish :) |
| 10:40.37 | rwhitby | heh |
| 10:41.57 | zignig | rwhitby: two drive bays means I can have 400 Gb of network storage, JOY! |
| 10:42.29 | NAiL | annoying that you have to have windows to use it in the original version |
| 10:43.02 | zignig | NAiL: yah, no nfs/webdav , which seems really stoopid to me. |
| 10:43.36 | NAiL | it doesn't exactly have a lot of ram, so it kinda makes sense :P |
| 10:44.25 | zignig | should be fine to run a webserver and a backup server. |
| 10:45.29 | NAiL | That's what I'm hopĂing I can use my ds101 for later |
| 10:46.35 | zignig | ds101, iomega thingo , same kind of thing , yeah ? |
| 10:46.49 | NAiL | synology, and it's kinda the same as the slug |
| 10:46.58 | NAiL | it's a box with room for one disk |
| 10:47.02 | rwhitby | ds101 and nas100d are close enough to the same thing. |
| 10:47.04 | NAiL | twice the ram&flash of a slug |
| 10:47.20 | NAiL | ah, yeah, the lude |
| 10:47.56 | NAiL | I guess I should be testing the lude kernel on the ds101 again |
| 10:48.59 | rwhitby | ludeos-image builds |
| 10:50.40 | zignig | hey man , got any ludes </cheech> |
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| 10:58.33 | NAiL | argh |
| 10:58.51 | NAiL | the zd1211 problem I'm having is apparently not endian related |
| 11:01.36 | velinp | hi; I sent #10838 to nslu2-linux about an idea for adding SDRAM on nslu2 i discussed with ka6sox (openjtag, 01.14, 07Z); anybody knows for sure it will not work? |
| 11:16.21 | eFfeM | koen|sleep, philips, dyoung and whoever else is interested |
| 11:16.45 | eFfeM | just wanted to let you know that I tried to use my usb audio card on debianslug yesterday |
| 11:17.02 | eFfeM | didn't work either, so apparently this is not an endianness problem |
| 11:17.27 | eFfeM | it could still be related to timing or initialisation (as the device works under FC4) |
| 11:17.53 | eFfeM | will probably continue to work on this after next week (out of town for a week) |
| 11:18.23 | eFfeM | if any of you finds out something please drop me an email or leave a msg in the group (i'll check waht eFfeM-log has picked up when I'm back) |
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| 14:35.42 | emm_is | I've just installed DebianSlug and while it *is* up and running it is not quite right. It boots and I can ssh in but (1) /.recovery is not deleted (despite the rm -f /.recovery line inserted as suggested) and maybe diagnostically (2) when I ssh into the NSLU2 it takes about 30s to bring up the login: prompt and dns does not seem to resolve (i.e. apt-get fails on lookup of ftp.debian.org) --... |
| 14:35.43 | emm_is | ...any thoughts? |
| 14:38.37 | eFfeM | emm_is, didn't time it, but I had the idea that it took less than 30 s for me to boot |
| 14:39.12 | eFfeM | i also had the .recovery issue (actually did not try to resolve it). |
| 14:39.37 | eFfeM | apt-get worked fine with me; can you go to other websites, or is e.g. your gateway not defined |
| 14:41.32 | emm_is | 30s is not time to boot but time from putty initate ssh connection to the 'login' prompt apprearing in the putty screen - it should be near instant |
| 14:42.43 | emm_is | if you didn't resolve the .recovery issue what did you do, I manually delete it after each boot (obviusly I could delete it in an init.d file) |
| 14:43.52 | eFfeM | emm_is, for me the ssh connection is indeed near instant |
| 14:44.19 | eFfeM | i installed debian yesterday and until now I have deleted it manually every time |
| 14:45.52 | eFfeM | will probably move back to openslug for now (i could not get dbus installed on debian). might try again in a few weeks when I have more time |
| 14:46.45 | emm_is | hmm, I'll give it to the end of the day! |
| 14:47.33 | eFfeM | can you access other web sites (by name or by ip) |
| 14:48.13 | eFfeM | e.g. does ping 4.79.142.202 work for you (and if it does, does ping www.grc.com work for you)? |
| 15:19.29 | eFfeM | rwhitby, Tiersten, I was trying to do a little bit of cleanup duty on the wiki. started off by trying to delete the unused OpenSlug/InPreparation page. |
| 15:19.55 | eFfeM | normally in pmwiki one can delete a page by replacing the text of the page by the single word "delete' |
| 15:20.23 | eFfeM | I've used this in the past to delete another obsolete page without problems. However today it won't work any more for me. |
| 15:20.38 | eFfeM | Is this a known issue? Can this be fixed? Can someone else delete this page ? |
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| 16:25.08 | koen | eFfeM: I'm also out of town for a week :) |
| 16:41.03 | eFfeM | koen, that's where these APs are for :-) |
| 16:41.15 | eFfeM | done that also on some occasions |
| 16:41.32 | eFfeM | don't think my hotel next week will have free internet |
| 16:41.57 | koen | if you ever stay in 'het wapen van Elst'.... :) |
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| 16:43.26 | eFfeM | lol, some people will stay everywhere .... |
| 16:43.41 | eFfeM | Grand Ashok, Bangalore for me next week |
| 16:44.00 | EvilDevil | Hi! can i use ipk in debianslug? |
| 16:45.45 | eFfeM | EvilDevil, yes if you want to install own created packages (like kernel modules), there is no debianslug feed afaik (and probably this is not the right channel to ask this) |
| 16:47.00 | EvilDevil | i need to add a kernel-module (pl2303 usb-to-serial) to my debianslug. it's built by make debianslug-image, but it ends up as a .ipk... |
| 16:47.39 | eFfeM | yeah, I know, use ipkg install xx.ipk to install it |
| 16:47.46 | koen | dpkg can handle ipk files |
| 16:47.51 | eFfeM | actually I had to copy ipkg from /initrd and friends |
| 16:47.51 | koen | same format |
| 16:47.59 | eFfeM | ah, didn't know that, thanks koen |
| 16:48.16 | eFfeM | (someone mentioned dpkg before but I assumed it was different) |
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| 16:48.34 | EvilDevil | koen thanks :-) that wouldn't have come into my mind at all |
| 16:49.02 | koen | it used to be different ~2 years ago or so |
| 16:49.38 | EvilDevil | ok. i'll try it |
| 16:49.40 | EvilDevil | brb |
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| 16:58.24 | eFfeM | added the dpkg info from koen to the wiki |
| 16:58.51 | eFfeM | koen, do you have to stay in Elst for a week .... |
| 17:00.21 | koen | eFfeM: till thursday |
| 17:00.38 | koen | the police needs new bulletproff vest and we are going to measure all police officers |
| 17:00.52 | koen | se we sleep in elst and travel to arnhem, nijmegen, tiel, etc |
| 17:00.59 | koen | s/se/so/ |
| 17:03.33 | eFfeM | whatta job |
| 17:05.00 | eFfeM | koen, you're not into darts? are we the only 2 dutch people not watching tv now ? |
| 17:06.45 | eFfeM | hm, someone here thinks either koen is rushing off to see the darts game or his usage of the open AP has been discovered .... |
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| 17:07.03 | eFfeM | koen, just wrote: |
| 17:07.04 | eFfeM | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:07.29 | eFfeM | you're on a wanadoo line |
| 17:08.15 | koen | the line is a bit flaky |
| 17:08.57 | eFfeM | this happens if you are too far away or the router is busy |
| 17:09.26 | eFfeM | seen this with wrt54g, apparently sometimes it is too busy to send beacons |
| 17:11.51 | koen | food time |
| 17:11.59 | eFfeM | enjoy |
| 17:12.02 | koen|food | thanks |
| 17:12.14 | koen|food | have fun in india |
| 17:12.20 | eFfeM | tnx |
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| 19:18.48 | emm_is | does anyone know the state of DebianSlug -- I am wondering whether the current sources in monotone produce a working build? |
| 19:30.51 | eFfeM | emm_is, the sources of a day or two ago did |
| 19:33.02 | emm_is | the sources two days ago built and installed for me but I had the slow/problematic network as described, so I rebuilt from today's but that set doesn't even seem to boot. |
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| 20:02.36 | eFfeM | anyone ever used UHCI ? |
| 20:07.02 | eFfeM | koen, philips, dyoung and all others interested in audio playback |
| 20:07.19 | eFfeM | I've done some experimenting and comparing things between slug and FC4 |
| 20:07.28 | eFfeM | my hw works fine on FC4 and not on slug |
| 20:07.42 | eFfeM | I've traced the usb commands and the same commands are sent |
| 20:07.52 | eFfeM | LE or BE also does not seem to cause a problem |
| 20:08.08 | eFfeM | and as usb commands are synchronous that should not be a problem either. |
| 20:08.19 | eFfeM | Found a difference though: |
| 20:08.46 | eFfeM | If I connect the device to FC4 it uses an UHCI device driver, whereas the slug will use OHCI |
| 20:09.24 | eFfeM | This is the only difference I could find. |
| 20:09.43 | eFfeM | I've also tried an el cheapo (conceptronic) usb hub |
| 20:09.59 | eFfeM | in that case FC4 still works and slug not |
| 20:10.27 | eFfeM | driver used of course is EHCI as this is a 2.0 hub |
| 20:10.47 | eFfeM | No idea what we can do with this. |
| 20:11.20 | eFfeM | I won't have time to work on this in the upcoming week, so I decided to report status here. |
| 20:11.31 | eFfeM | Maybe it will help one of you |
| 20:11.46 | eFfeM | (thinking of it, philips have you had a chance to discuss this with Greg? ) |
| 20:14.41 | philips | Not yet, I wanted to gather some findings before sending it off, and school caught up with me this week. |
| 20:14.57 | eFfeM | ah, ok, perhaps the above might help |
| 20:15.11 | philips | If you want to work on a wiki page with what you have found out, and what you did to find it out that would be great. |
| 20:16.19 | eFfeM | hm. don't know if this is really suitable for a wiki page as it is more search work. could mail to the dev mailing list though |
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| 20:25.36 | koen | eFfeM: ohci and uhci are a bit like ide and scsi |
| 20:25.53 | koen | a smart, expensive chip and a cheap, dump chip |
| 20:26.06 | koen | that could account for the difference |
| 20:26.19 | koen | and I've had my fair share of ehci breakage |
| 20:27.34 | koen | hrm |
| 20:31.35 | eFfeM | koen, did do a quick check on wikipedia |
| 20:31.46 | eFfeM | that learned this as well |
| 20:32.39 | eFfeM | might try a different hub, but at the end I might have to go for another sound card (I'm becoming pessimistic about this) |
| 20:32.54 | eFfeM | slight chance there is something in the ohci driver, but I doubt this |
| 20:33.30 | eFfeM | almost at the end of my rope here.... |
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| 20:52.25 | NAiL | emm_is: ping? |
| 20:52.35 | emm_is | hello |
| 20:52.59 | NAiL | where does it appear to stop booting? (the new build) |
| 20:54.14 | emm_is | I take it back, it does boot but does not rm the /.recovery file despite me sliping in a few extras in the surrounding if cases |
| 20:54.20 | NAiL | aah |
| 20:54.28 | NAiL | I have the same problem |
| 20:54.34 | NAiL | openslug? |
| 20:54.38 | NAiL | debianslug? |
| 20:55.06 | emm_is | I also don't seem to be able to access my nameservers (DebianSlug -- openslug worked just fine) |
| 20:55.29 | emm_is | That is, Openslug 2.7 and openslug in the rootfs of DebianSlug |
| 20:56.34 | emm_is | So no apt-get, ssh doesn't work even though I give it an IP but I can ssh in! |
| 20:57.34 | emm_is | I can ping by laptop on the same subnet using its IP address |
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| 21:01.46 | philips | eFfeM: Could you post a step by step of what you did somewhere and what happened, I want to give it an ol' college try |
| 21:02.57 | philips | eFfeM: I also have an old Transmeta box here that has OHCI, I am going to test the sound card on that box |
| 21:03.07 | philips | eFfeM: It may just be an OHCI problem, you never know. |
| 21:05.20 | tkimball | Wow. http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/01/13/fujitsu_expands_harddrive_business/ |
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| 21:14.32 | tkimball | Gah, getting tired of doing that. Sorry. |
| 21:15.41 | tkimball | philips: Just curious, I stumbled across something that got me searching. What's maker of the USB subsystem? Can't readily find it. |
| 21:17.03 | philips | tkimball: like who defined the standard? |
| 21:17.36 | tkimball | No, who's chip is in the slug? |
| 21:18.39 | rwhitby | wiki/Info/Hardware |
| 21:19.03 | NAiL | 000:00:01.2 USB Controller: NEC Corporation USB 2.0 (rev 04) |
| 21:19.11 | NAiL | or "lspci" :) |
| 21:20.38 | rwhitby | oops - http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Info/LinksToHardwareComponentDocumentation |
| 21:22.00 | eFfeM | philips, was away for a while (phonecall) |
| 21:22.15 | eFfeM | will try to do a quick wrapup |
| 21:22.35 | tkimball | Yes, was about to mention that. Thx. Unfortunately this means I stumbled into a dead end. |
| 21:22.50 | eFfeM | i'll post in nslu2-developers |
| 21:22.51 | tkimball | Though I did find an interesting reference page on OHCI and UHCI. |
| 21:24.09 | tkimball | Was hoping to give cross-compile another shot too, but I've been having trouble with a RAID at work all weekend. |
| 21:36.58 | eFfeM | philips (and everyone else interested). Here is the msg: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nslu2-developers/message/504 |
| 21:38.01 | eFfeM | need to back off now. back in a week but feel free to msg eFfeM-log or leave a msg in the channel. As long as eFfeM-log (aka my slug) is up I'll eventually see it) |
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