| 00:24.11 | fx3|chilla | hey :) |
| 00:24.22 | fx3|chilla | what is the currect nslu-kernel in openslug? |
| 00:25.32 | fx3|chilla | i see your patchset for 2.6.15, but im wondering, wich rc you are using |
| 00:30.36 | [g2] | fx3|chilla 2.6.15 was out last week :) |
| 00:30.51 | [g2] | kernel.org is your friend :) |
| 00:31.22 | [g2] | 2006-01-03 |
| 00:32.20 | fx3|chilla | oops :) |
| 00:32.35 | fx3|chilla | thought, you use a rc* |
| 00:32.35 | fx3|chilla | :) |
| 00:32.56 | fx3|chilla | cool |
| 00:33.40 | fx3|chilla | lets getz ready to rumble with full nativeley built gentoo system including a 2.6.15er kernel on my slug :)) |
| 00:33.51 | [g2] | well it was until the real thing came out |
| 00:33.53 | fx3|chilla | damn typos.. :) |
| 00:35.47 | fx3|chilla | im going to do a gentoo ebuild called "embedded-sources" wich includes a patched linuxkerne. It contains a useflag (duno if you know, what it is) called "+nslu2" wich activates the nslu-patchset from openembedded |
| 00:36.05 | fx3|chilla | eh openslug |
| 00:36.08 | fx3|chilla | or whatever |
| 00:37.28 | [g2] | fx3|chilla do you know vaiper/SpanKY ? |
| 00:37.35 | fx3|chilla | a bit |
| 00:37.55 | [g2] | he's running gentoo on the slug and will be on my board called the Loft |
| 00:38.17 | fx3|chilla | vapier did the ixp4xx ebuild (beneath of man others) and spanky helped me alot to get gentoo runign on my nslu2 |
| 00:38.35 | [g2] | vaiper == spanky |
| 00:38.59 | fx3|chilla | nah |
| 00:39.03 | [g2] | yeah |
| 00:39.05 | fx3|chilla | vapier != spanky |
| 00:39.27 | [g2] | vapier == SpanKY |
| 00:40.05 | fx3|chilla | vapier != spanky |
| 00:40.07 | fx3|chilla | :) |
| 00:40.09 | fx3|chilla | :P |
| 00:40.21 | [g2] | you may be interested in a Loft also as it has a 533MHz and 64MB |
| 00:40.28 | [g2] | maybe not |
| 00:40.34 | [g2] | just fyi |
| 00:40.46 | fx3|chilla | a "loft"? hmm the hardware seems to be expenive |
| 00:41.11 | [g2] | not nearly as expensive as time |
| 00:41.16 | rwhitby | fx3|chilla: you can get the combined patchset for nslu2, nas100d and loft in cvs.sf.net, nslu project, "kernel" module |
| 00:41.32 | rwhitby | (if you want one-stop shopping without having to go through OE and monotone) |
| 00:41.57 | [g2] | nod I'll let vapier know about that too |
| 00:42.11 | fx3|chilla | rwhitby: thanks for the tip! (but i already installed monote etc. today to get your patchsets) |
| 00:42.37 | rwhitby | fx3|chilla: we're also moving to use the ixp4xx-kernel dir in monotone, and deprecating nslu2-kernel and nas100d-kernel |
| 00:43.42 | fx3|chilla | rwhitby: i dont know how you exactly handle it in oe, but in gentoo, we have several *-sources wich contain vanilla-sources + a little patchset |
| 00:44.01 | fx3|chilla | and i wanna make a ebuild called "embedded-sources" with several useflags |
| 00:44.29 | fx3|chilla | e.g. the useflag "nslu2" activates the nslu2 patchsets for he sources |
| 00:44.31 | fx3|chilla | and so on |
| 00:44.36 | rwhitby | so you're going to support more targets from OE over and above the nslu2? |
| 00:44.44 | rwhitby | (and other nslu2-linux related targets) |
| 00:44.59 | fx3|chilla | yes and no |
| 00:45.12 | rwhitby | i.e. is embedded-sources going to be able to build gentoo for the Zaurus? |
| 00:45.35 | fx3|chilla | for the first time, i wanna build a package, containing vanilla-sources, wich includes some patches for embedded-systems |
| 00:46.07 | fx3|chilla | for example the no nls-patch (wich makes make menuconfig working on uclibc systems wich dont have a libintl.h) |
| 00:46.29 | fx3|chilla | and the user can activatesome useflags |
| 00:46.40 | fx3|chilla | maybe "+nslu" |
| 00:46.59 | fx3|chilla | the he gets the nslu2 patchset (all the ixpblablastuff) |
| 00:47.50 | fx3|chilla | and maybe, there will be some other small devices with a working patchset wich will be implemented |
| 00:48.21 | fx3|chilla | maybe "+zaurus" as a useflag, wich means that all the zaurus patches are applied |
| 00:50.42 | fx3|chilla | so that a user can get complete kernelsources working for his embedded system, by just adding his devicename to /etc/portage/package.keywords and typing "emerge embedded-sources" |
| 00:51.00 | fx3|chilla | the he can do a make menuconfig/make && make modules install |
| 00:51.05 | fx3|chilla | and has a working kernel |
| 00:51.22 | fx3|chilla | without setting up a crappy crossbuildplatform or sth. else |
| 00:57.40 | fx3|chilla | but for now, im going to bed :) n9 |
| 00:57.41 | fx3|chilla | n8 |
| 01:00.30 | rwhitby | night fschmitt |
| 01:00.35 | rwhitby | oops, night fx3|chilla |
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| 01:28.53 | VoodooZ | beewoolie-afk: FYI, I got more weird crashes on shutdown similar to the last ones but I doubt it's apex. Not sure. openslug-3.1 is fairly new too so it could be that. |
| 01:44.32 | VoodooZ | beewoolie-afk: FYI, I just tried the 1.3.13 tarball and there's a typo in your code on line 155. There's an extra " at the end which breaks the build. |
| 01:44.49 | beewoolie-afk | VoodooZ: Oops. |
| 01:45.09 | beewoolie-afk | Possibly. Perhaps you should try without apex and see how it goes. |
| 01:45.11 | VoodooZ | not a big deal but just wanted to let you know. |
| 01:45.43 | VoodooZ | Yeah, and like I said it crashed later on so I'm unsure what's going on. |
| 01:46.00 | VoodooZ | I'll have to stress-test the openslug load by itself first I guess. |
| 01:46.49 | beewoolie-afk | It's kinda unlikely that it's apex, but there's no way to know unless it crashes with redboot. |
| 01:46.59 | VoodooZ | beewoolie-afk: Is there any problems with disabling the kernel command line override option? I'm just thinking it might have change sufficiently in openslug 3.1 to cause problems. |
| 01:47.13 | beewoolie-afk | I don't know what you mean? |
| 01:47.16 | VoodooZ | yeah, that's why I'll need to test it more. |
| 01:47.42 | VoodooZ | there's a config option to override the kernel command line |
| 01:48.23 | VoodooZ | what if the one apex uses is different from the new openslug? Unless i don't understand properly? |
| 01:48.24 | beewoolie-afk | I've updated the source archive to fix the typo. |
| 01:48.29 | VoodooZ | good. thanks |
| 01:48.46 | beewoolie-afk | Those options have to do with the way that apex decides how to set the command line for thekernel. |
| 01:48.55 | beewoolie-afk | If the kernel accepts atags, apex does it only one way. |
| 01:49.04 | beewoolie-afk | Older versions of the kernel used to ignore the command line. |
| 01:49.11 | beewoolie-afk | I don't think that's the case anymore. |
| 01:49.24 | VoodooZ | ok. I'll look into more later. don't worry about it. |
| 01:49.48 | VoodooZ | alright, later... |
| 01:49.58 | beewoolie-afk | Wait. |
| 01:50.06 | VoodooZ_Movie | what? |
| 01:50.08 | beewoolie-afk | The option you are talking about is simply this. |
| 01:50.18 | beewoolie-afk | Each arch has a default command line in the source code. |
| 01:50.25 | beewoolie-afk | This option lets you set the command line explicitly. |
| 01:50.28 | beewoolie-afk | You want to do that. |
| 01:50.48 | VoodooZ_Movie | no, I meant to disable it as it's enabled by default it seems. |
| 01:50.51 | beewoolie-afk | It's kinda binary. Once the kernel boots, you can be sure that apex has done it's job. |
| 01:51.03 | beewoolie-afk | Right. You need it for openslug. |
| 01:51.08 | beewoolie-afk | It was created for openslug. |
| 01:51.27 | beewoolie-afk | Enjoy the movie. |
| 01:51.35 | VoodooZ_Movie | ok. |
| 01:51.44 | VoodooZ_Movie | I'll try things tommorow. |
| 01:52.00 | VoodooZ_Movie | btw, can I disable JFFS2 now that we don't use it? |
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| 02:23.27 | beewoolie-afk | VoodooZ_Movie: Yeah. I'll do that in the source as well. |
| 02:23.42 | beewoolie-afk | VoodooZ_Movie: It isn't tight on flash space, so it isn't critical. |
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| 10:28.53 | rammy2 | hey :) |
| 10:29.25 | rammy2 | is therer a away to install a kernelimage nativeley fromthe slug wiithout using upslug2 from another box? |
| 10:30.00 | NAiL | reflash |
| 10:31.05 | rammy2 | so i all the mtd stuff for accessing the flash has to be running on my slug? |
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| 10:43.11 | rwhitby | rammy2: if you're running openslug or ucslugc, then reflash -i foo.img |
| 10:43.39 | rammy2 | hmm i dont have these distros |
| 10:43.42 | rwhitby | if you're running debian then touch /.recovery, then reboot and you will boot into flash. then turnup ram and scp up an image into /tmp and reflash -i that image |
| 10:44.00 | rwhitby | um, you're on the #openslug channel, so you must have one of those distros. |
| 10:45.07 | rammy2 | yeh, im using openslug, but only for installing gentoo in my slug ;) and because where are the most nslu2-geeks ;) |
| 10:45.16 | rammy2 | -w |
| 10:45.51 | rwhitby | ok, so unplug the disk, boot into openslug, and use reflash -i |
| 10:45.55 | rammy2 | does "reflash" fix the machinecode problem? or shall i do it by hand? |
| 10:46.23 | rwhitby | if you mean the machine id problem, you need to prepend to the kernel before giving it to reflash |
| 10:46.50 | rwhitby | so when are you gentoo guys going to contribute to the nslu2-linux wiki? |
| 10:46.57 | rammy2 | arhgs... yep, i ment the machineid, not the machinecode |
| 10:47.21 | rwhitby | or is this some secret project that you're not willing to share with the rest of the community ?> |
| 10:47.51 | rammy2 | rwhitby: when im ready with a "complete" and easy gentoo system written down as a howto |
| 10:48.23 | rammy2 | then ofcourse, ill write this into the nslu2 wiki |
| 10:49.00 | rammy2 | dunno if you speak a bit german, but i already started a howto in the gentooforum: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-417105.html |
| 10:49.44 | rwhitby | my german is unfortunately only slightly better than my swahili. I'm one of the poorly educated on the earth who only speak one language. |
| 10:50.14 | rammy2 | actually, its in german, but i (or sb. else) will translate it, as soon as i know how to work with the slug as with a regular system ;) |
| 10:50.28 | rammy2 | the last problem is the kernel |
| 10:50.42 | rwhitby | tell you what, I'll start a wiki/GentooSlug/HomePage for you, and we'll see if anyone on your team gets the urge to flesh it out. |
| 10:51.21 | rammy2 | if you want it :) |
| 10:51.49 | rammy2 | the thing is, that everything is ready, but almost nothing is written down |
| 10:52.40 | rammy2 | all we need is a basic system: http://ftp.uoi.gr/mirror/OS/gentoo/experimental/arm/embedded/stages/ |
| 10:52.46 | rammy2 | and a kernel |
| 10:53.05 | rammy2 | the systemtarballs are ready, and worke fine |
| 10:53.54 | rammy2 | ive compiled my complete system with a nativeley compiled gcc 3.4.4 - also the kernel, including the networkdriver. |
| 10:54.16 | rammy2 | nativeley |
| 10:54.30 | rammy2 | the last step is, how to get the kernel into the flash |
| 10:54.47 | rammy2 | directly from the running gentoo |
| 10:55.21 | rammy2 | when this is done, ill complete the howto and translate it into english |
| 10:55.40 | rammy2 | and ofcourse ill post it on the nslu2-linux wiki |
| 10:55.41 | rammy2 | :) |
| 10:57.15 | rwhitby | ok, the initial page is there: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/GentooSlug/HomePage |
| 10:57.34 | rwhitby | and it's listed on the sidebar under Projects. |
| 10:57.48 | rammy2 | woooooty :) |
| 10:58.34 | rammy2 | thanks |
| 10:59.05 | rwhitby | no problem. It's my job to bring the community together :-) |
| 10:59.34 | rammy2 | hmm you know something about the mtd driver and the flash on the slug? |
| 11:00.04 | rwhitby | I know quite a bit about that. |
| 11:00.15 | rammy2 | i think, its a disk like every other too - with a partitiontable and several partitions, right? |
| 11:01.48 | rwhitby | well, it's partitionable, but the kernel and ramdisk location are fixed, and the kernel size must be less than 1MB-36bytes, and the ramdisk size must be at least one block |
| 11:02.05 | rwhitby | (even if you don't use the ramdisk, it must be there) |
| 11:02.17 | rammy2 | so wouldnt it be good to just mount the partition, where the kernelimage is inside, so that you can copy the kernelimage into it? |
| 11:02.27 | rammy2 | hmm okay, thats bad |
| 11:03.02 | rammy2 | because until now, everytime i used upslug from a nother box to get the kernel into the flash |
| 11:04.02 | rammy2 | but the slug is nothing special, we should treat it like every other box too, and so we should expect from it, that we can do all the stuff, we need to manage the system from the system self (sorry for my bad english) |
| 11:04.20 | rammy2 | i think this includes to compile a working kernel on the system and to install that kernel on the system |
| 11:04.32 | rwhitby | yes, you can flash the kernel from a running system |
| 11:05.00 | rammy2 | you mentioned "reflash" maybe i should have a look at it |
| 11:05.35 | rwhitby | reflash is a sophisticated script which uses devio at its heart to write to flash |
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| 11:06.38 | rammy2 | hmm okay ill take a look on it |
| 11:07.01 | rammy2 | is it accessable by your msatermakefile from oe? |
| 11:09.36 | rwhitby | yes. Look in openembedded/packages/slugos-init/... |
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| 12:47.54 | koen|sleep | eFfeM: I almost bought a pvr-usb at mediamarkt todayd |
| 13:00.18 | eFfeM | koen, be sure to buy the right one (the one with the hw mpeg encoder in the orange box) |
| 13:00.24 | eFfeM | hauppauge names are very confusing |
| 13:01.08 | eFfeM | i'm planing to go to the april 1 meeting in utrecht and bring mine, don't know if they have cable and tv though |
| 13:01.29 | eFfeM | actually at the moment I'm trying to get debianslug on my system... |
| 13:06.52 | NAiL | eFfeM: what steps did you follow? |
| 13:07.48 | eFfeM | actually still eager to get audio on my slug and to see if it is endian dependend ... |
| 13:08.00 | eFfeM | NAiL, http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/DebianSlug/Bootstrap |
| 13:09.09 | eFfeM | instrumented the code a little bit, I get just before pivot_root, then nada |
| 13:10.10 | eFfeM | pivot_root seems to hang or so |
| 13:11.31 | eFfeM | the odd thing is if I do it manually it works |
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| 13:30.40 | koen | eFfeM: is your recording daemon available? |
| 13:30.52 | koen | mythtv is getting a bit too fragile lately |
| 13:31.07 | eFfeM | koen, not for d/l but I can mail you a copy |
| 13:31.21 | eFfeM | it requires either hacking or a pvrusb2 though |
| 13:31.34 | eFfeM | i control the pvrusb2 through the sys interface |
| 13:31.35 | rammy2 | did anybody of you fatten his slug? |
| 13:33.56 | rammy2 | im looking for somebody ho has more skills than me and can do this for me :) ofcourse against some money and some bottles of german beer :) |
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| 13:35.31 | koen | eFfeM: it would be great if you could mail me a copy |
| 13:38.36 | eFfeM | koen, you have mail (at handhelds ) |
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| 13:41.49 | koen | indeed I have |
| 13:42.08 | eFfeM | good; let me know if you have problems or questions |
| 13:42.19 | koen | will do |
| 13:42.23 | eFfeM | I also have an xmltv based epg but that is not yet really ready for distribution |
| 13:42.36 | koen | that would be cool |
| 13:42.47 | koen | do you store that in mysql or sqlite? |
| 13:42.53 | eFfeM | neither |
| 13:43.02 | koen | plain xml? |
| 13:43.11 | eFfeM | I've written a small daemon that parses the xmltv xml file and puts in in an internal data structure |
| 13:43.38 | eFfeM | this daemon runs infinitely and gets queried from a cgi proggie |
| 13:44.11 | koen | I'm looking for a 'always record CSI:LV on any (configured) channel' kind of daemon |
| 13:44.15 | eFfeM | its not that much data if you take only the times and t titles |
| 13:44.58 | eFfeM | I've seen those, it is not in mine, although my harddisk recorder (CE device, not on the slug) does this |
| 13:45.18 | eFfeM | do you happen to know anything about /sbin/init ? |
| 13:47.37 | koen | only that it's gets 'exec'-ed when pivotrooting |
| 13:47.59 | eFfeM | yup, that's where the fun stops for me when I am booting debian |
| 13:48.15 | koen | eFfeM: recd.c:35:43: error: preset.h: No such file or directory |
| 13:49.12 | eFfeM | oh, oops, is there a common dir in the zip? |
| 13:49.24 | koen | not as far as I can see |
| 13:49.25 | eFfeM | then run make in that one first |
| 13:49.32 | eFfeM | ok, hang on |
| 13:54.11 | eFfeM | koen, its on its way |
| 13:54.15 | koen | thanks |
| 13:55.00 | koen | how much tuners can a slug handle? |
| 13:55.41 | koen | with usb/disk bandwith and cpu power |
| 13:55.43 | eFfeM | good q, I've tested only with 2, the daemon has a #define somewhere for 4 |
| 13:55.56 | eFfeM | I know a guy (with other software) who told me he managed 5 |
| 13:56.20 | eFfeM | typical load with a 6 Mbps stream is 10 %, 20 Mbps puts this to 25 % |
| 13:56.36 | eFfeM | I'm using ext3 fs, someone once told me xfs might be better |
| 13:56.53 | eFfeM | also recd runs at prio -20 (so as high as possible) in order not to loose data |
| 13:57.33 | eFfeM | as the pvr does the mpeg encoding the work is actually something like |
| 13:57.51 | eFfeM | while (1) read block from /dev/video; write block to file |
| 14:03.05 | koen | ideally I'd buy a 4x coax splitter+amplifier and 4 tuners |
| 14:03.18 | koen | but realistically I'd buy just one tuner |
| 14:03.58 | eFfeM | i think mine was eur 122 |
| 14:04.20 | eFfeM | the guy with 5 got them for a project at work, when I tested with 2, I just borrowed one from him |
| 14:07.01 | koen | is the wintv bus-powered? |
| 14:07.14 | eFfeM | no |
| 14:07.35 | eFfeM | behind/besides my tv it is a cable mess |
| 14:07.41 | koen | heh |
| 14:10.16 | koen | would it be hard to add some form of networking? |
| 14:10.30 | koen | e.g. 2 slugs with one tuner each |
| 14:12.00 | eFfeM | hm, some form of syncing would be needed who records what |
| 14:12.23 | koen | yeah |
| 14:12.33 | eFfeM | would be fairly easy with some master/slave setup where one slug would be the master |
| 14:12.39 | koen | or via http://www.avahi.org/ |
| 14:12.55 | eFfeM | otherwise some kind of protocol to sync them would be needed |
| 14:14.08 | eFfeM | don't know the avahi thing, there are plenty service discovery mechanisms. |
| 14:14.18 | eFfeM | (actually I'm reasonably familiar with ssdp) |
| 14:16.43 | koen | http://www.yuan.com.tw/ch/products/vdo_mpc622.html#spec would be cute for in the loft |
| 14:17.36 | eFfeM | yeah, [g2] once mentioned it to me |
| 14:23.11 | koen | I wonder if I could hook recd up to a fluendo streaming video server |
| 14:25.21 | eFfeM | don't know fluendo, I'm sending out the movies with twonkyvision (this is upnp based) |
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| 15:41.49 | [g2] | This is called a TIVO where I'm from -- "koen I'm looking for a 'always record CSI:LV on any (configured) channel' kind of daemon" |
| 15:43.04 | eFfeM | morning [g2] |
| 15:43.35 | [g2] | hey eFfeM |
| 15:43.40 | koen | hey [g2] |
| 15:43.44 | [g2] | hey kakos |
| 15:43.56 | [g2] | doh! damn tab complete |
| 15:43.57 | koen | [g2]: I currently have a mythtv setup doing stuff like that |
| 15:44.12 | [g2] | koen I'm just teasing you :) |
| 15:44.17 | koen | :) |
| 15:44.32 | [g2] | koen have you been following the CES product releases ? |
| 15:44.48 | koen | I've seen a few |
| 15:45.01 | eFfeM | [g2], is there a specific one you're referring to |
| 15:45.35 | [g2] | I think the Hauppauge/Sage TV device looks interesting |
| 15:46.14 | eFfeM | didn't see an announcement on it, so it was probably not featured on anandtech or tomshardware |
| 15:46.20 | [g2] | i'ts a $99 Ethernet to TV playback device |
| 15:46.29 | [g2] | linuxdevices |
| 15:46.56 | eFfeM | hm, there was also an announcement of a $99 buffalo ethernet to tv device |
| 15:47.08 | [g2] | I think Sage is OEMing it |
| 15:47.15 | eFfeM | mpeg2 and mpeg4 only rest was transcoding on pc |
| 15:47.25 | eFfeM | no wireless |
| 15:47.43 | [g2] | That's the box that makes sense to me |
| 15:48.46 | eFfeM | nothing on the hauppauge web site |
| 15:49.07 | [g2] | I see the solution as a) Encode and store, B)store on server and stream or xfer, C) Playback |
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| 15:49.54 | eFfeM | [g2], what about this: mpeg2/mpeg4/wmv in HD (up to 720p or 1080i), 11g wireless & wired, upnp playback ? |
| 15:50.06 | eFfeM | a streaming device |
| 15:51.16 | eFfeM | also does mp3 and wma (including drm) and pictures |
| 15:51.35 | [g2-lap] | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS4331647554.html |
| 15:52.44 | eFfeM | TI based. Don't think it supports high definition |
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| 15:53.57 | [g2-lap] | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9684776162.html |
| 15:55.36 | eFfeM | $ 150 with 802.11G. Too expensive |
| 15:55.53 | eFfeM | $ 99 without wireless would probably be ok for such a device, the buffalo thing also is $99 |
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| 17:39.43 | tkimball | Mornin' kex. Sorry you got to see my ranting in the last screen or so of backscroll. |
| 17:39.47 | tkimball | Agh... |
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| 18:36.56 | velinp | ka6sox: ping |
| 18:40.44 | velinp | oops, bad tab; sorry |
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| 22:36.42 | VoodooZ | Great work on openslug guys. It seems to boot faster now. |
| 22:37.15 | VoodooZ | And with the newest version of apex I was able to get a login prompt within 31secs! now that's much better. |
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