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| 00:12.20 | Lightkey | http://roslyn.codeplex.com/ someone said C# is not open sauce? :-) |
| 00:21.16 | Lightkey | <B-ZaR> LT|Lightkey: care to point me to the open source reference implementation of .net? |
| 00:21.22 | Lightkey | so thus, I have done |
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| 04:14.31 | B-ZaR | Lightkey: does that actually contain the implementation for the entire .net, or just the compiler? .net is also a good bunch of libraries. |
| 04:29.56 | comradekingu | freescale smallboard http://www.warpboard.org/ |
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| 05:00.32 | B-ZaR | hm. found an old keytronic ergoforce in office cabinet. maybe I should use this instead of the generic cheapo-dell that came with this computer |
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| 06:43.44 | comradekingu | B-ZaR: use the force |
| 06:48.35 | HolySmoke | mass times accelleration? |
| 06:49.23 | B-ZaR | yes |
| 06:49.43 | comradekingu | can some run a cat /proc/cpuinfo on a 1GHZ and pastebin it? |
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| 09:02.31 | sebt3_ | boring day at work is boring |
| 09:04.07 | dreamer | that's why: weekend! \o/ |
| 09:08.14 | sebt3_ | if only... if only |
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| 09:35.28 | B-ZaR | soon |
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| 09:58.27 | Wally | So. I just fixed a NES 72 pin connector by boiling it. |
| 09:59.07 | B-ZaR | sounds legit |
| 09:59.23 | Wally | Works well |
| 10:00.20 | Wizzup | lol |
| 10:00.29 | Wizzup | Interesting. |
| 10:01.16 | Wally | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/18942925/2014-04-01%2020.38.57.jpg <--- NES working |
| 10:02.16 | Wizzup | :) |
| 10:04.25 | B-ZaR | did you use flash? |
| 10:05.10 | B-ZaR | instantly latches on to the relevant stuff |
| 10:05.20 | Wally | nah.. the TV is super bright |
| 10:05.29 | Wally | probably too close |
| 10:05.36 | B-ZaR | smaller aperture |
| 10:05.50 | Wally | also.. the NES doesnt' look that good on that TV :( |
| 10:05.52 | B-ZaR | this is aperture science |
| 10:05.58 | Wally | :D |
| 10:06.02 | B-ZaR | <o/ |
| 10:06.06 | Wally | !bang |
| 10:06.15 | slaeshjag | No bang for you |
| 10:06.28 | slaeshjag | Not even cillit bang |
| 10:06.37 | B-ZaR | nor bang with friends |
| 10:08.20 | BlueMaxima | I hate you :< |
| 10:08.24 | BlueMaxima | I have a NES but it doesn't work |
| 10:08.30 | Wally | BlueMaxima whats wrong wiht it? |
| 10:08.34 | slaeshjag | I have a NES that works |
| 10:08.37 | slaeshjag | but no games |
| 10:08.41 | Wally | RIP |
| 10:08.49 | comradekingu | I have FF1 but no NES |
| 10:09.24 | Wally | INB4 BlueMaxima goes to check his NES |
| 10:10.14 | BlueMaxima | whenever I turn it on either the cartridge won't load |
| 10:10.21 | BlueMaxima | or the palette goes freaking weird |
| 10:10.37 | Wally | BlueMaxima thats your cartridge connector. Boil that |
| 10:10.42 | Wally | http://www.nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=63483 |
| 10:11.05 | B-ZaR | ninten-doge |
| 10:11.24 | slaeshjag | Go home doge, you're high |
| 10:11.53 | BlueMaxima | man that sounds crazy |
| 10:12.26 | Wally | I just confirmed it worked.. my NES had the red light flashing / cartridge not loading issue |
| 10:12.34 | Wally | and on occasion the pallete would play up |
| 10:13.28 | Tachyon` | oh good grief, boiling connectors |
| 10:13.52 | B-ZaR | goodness gracious boiling connectors |
| 10:13.54 | Wally | D: |
| 10:14.20 | Tachyon` | I usually wrap fine sandpaper around a bit of PCB the right length and insert/remove that a few ties |
| 10:14.32 | Tachyon` | tends to do the job |
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| 11:06.22 | Dunny | afternoon |
| 11:06.44 | Wally | Hallo Dunny |
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| 14:31.02 | dreamer | https://www.unrealengine.com/blog/41-update-preview << nice |
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| 15:00.22 | WizardStan | Anyone else reading the iCP2 thread? |
| 15:00.45 | WizardStan | I was tempted to post this but then I thought better of it and closed the window |
| 15:00.48 | WizardStan | http://lolbot.net/pix/13627.jpg |
| 15:02.36 | gsterling | WizardStan: I had been reading it... but I don't know that I could contribute anything constructive... |
| 15:02.50 | gsterling | WizardStan: nice image lol |
| 15:05.21 | WizardStan | Nothing constructive, just sass. |
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| 15:14.03 | zhasha | Exophase: ping |
| 15:22.17 | Da|Mummy | people still talk of the icp2? |
| 15:23.45 | GodGinrai | people still feel shafted. :P |
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| 15:26.20 | zhasha | GodGinrai: What actually happened? |
| 15:27.04 | GodGinrai | zhasha: I didn't really pay too close attention because I was never interested in the iCP |
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| 15:27.29 | zhasha | I kinda wanted one for my Jolla |
| 15:27.50 | theweirdn8 | anyone here a gamedev using sdl 2.0? |
| 15:27.59 | GodGinrai | zhasha: but basically, Craigix did a KS for the iCP2, made it seem like the funds for the iCP2 would help the development of a Pandora successor |
| 15:28.22 | GodGinrai | zhasha: and then didn't deliver the device |
| 15:28.40 | GodGinrai | or something along those lines, AFAIK |
| 15:30.10 | zhasha | GodGinrai: so is pyra disassociated from craig? |
| 15:31.50 | GodGinrai | zhasha: Yes. That's why EvilDragon didn't name it the Pandora 2, to stress that disassociation |
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| 15:44.50 | zhasha | EvilDragon: This might be a really dumb question but doesn't the TI DDX support XRandR rotation? |
| 15:45.30 | zhasha | also, I appreciate that you want a mostly standard distro, but surely we can patch X11 to rotate the crtc |
| 15:45.36 | EvilDragon | zhasha, DDX? |
| 15:45.40 | EvilDragon | You mean DRM? |
| 15:45.42 | zhasha | X11 2D driver |
| 15:46.09 | EvilDragon | omapdrm... yes, it can rotate using TILER. Only works for X and has a huge perfomance hit. |
| 15:46.18 | Cloudef | use weston |
| 15:46.26 | Cloudef | draw everything through gles |
| 15:46.26 | slaeshjag | NEVER |
| 15:46.28 | Cloudef | yay |
| 15:46.32 | zhasha | No, not the drm driver in the kernel, the x.org driver |
| 15:46.46 | Cloudef | gets rotation for free |
| 15:46.57 | Cloudef | But I'd rather take screen that doesn't need any of this rotation bullshit |
| 15:47.33 | zhasha | I don't know how the DDX does it as I haven't delved into it before, but I can trivially rotate my display and have everything Just Work(tm) using XRANDR |
| 15:48.17 | slaeshjag | zhasha: You somehow need the hardware to do it. OMAP5 lacks the hardware to do efficient framebuffer rotations at 1080p |
| 15:48.50 | zhasha | slaeshjag: no it doesn't. It can do it with the 3D engine in the SGX (does it have a 2D engine too?) |
| 15:48.58 | zhasha | the question is how the DDX does it |
| 15:49.11 | GodGinrai | Weston? Like MWeston? |
| 15:49.25 | zhasha | Weston as in wayland, which would be a great thing to have regardless of rotation |
| 15:49.49 | slaeshjag | zhasha: The 3D engine is only efficient at it if you render it rotated. It has a 2D engine. But it requires you to first render the entire framebuffer. Then rotate it to another framebuffer. That framebuffer can then be output |
| 15:50.54 | zhasha | It's efficient enough surely. I have a Jolla right here next to me running wayland and it certainly doesn't have any performance or battery impact to use it in landscape mode |
| 15:51.23 | EvilDragon | zhasha, The X.Org driver for OMAP IS omapdrm ;) |
| 15:51.36 | EvilDragon | It uses the DRM interface for rotation. |
| 15:54.10 | Cloudef | IIRC omapdrm works with xrandr |
| 15:54.22 | Cloudef | At least it did for the things I did on pandora |
| 15:54.39 | EvilDragon | zhasha, Yes, TI is moving to Wayland / Weston with more recent SGX releases... but I don't want to depend on the SGX for rotation. |
| 15:54.48 | EvilDragon | Would be a mess for other distributions. |
| 15:54.51 | zhasha | Cloudef: yeah but a newer SoC probably means a worse memory architecture |
| 15:55.23 | EvilDragon | And how do you know it doesn't impact battery time? You can't disable the 3D chip on the Jolla, can you? |
| 15:55.38 | EvilDragon | Cloudef, Pandora uses omapfb, OMAP4 and 5 use omapdrm. |
| 15:55.43 | Cloudef | EvilDragon: I know |
| 15:55.50 | Cloudef | EvilDragon: I did play around with omapdrm though remember |
| 15:56.01 | Cloudef | Trying to get weston work |
| 15:56.05 | zhasha | No, I can't, because it's used for all drawing... as it should be |
| 15:56.08 | Cloudef | but I lost interest somewhere |
| 15:56.48 | EvilDragon | Cloudef, On OMAP3, it's totally different. |
| 15:56.53 | zhasha | Spend your time writing a free SGX driver |
| 15:56.53 | Cloudef | I think I managed to get everything to work expect SGX |
| 15:57.39 | Cloudef | the SGX should work too through the DRI2 though |
| 15:57.44 | Cloudef | which is provided by omapdrm X driver |
| 15:57.56 | EvilDragon | Cloudef, Yes, but it's not used with standard X. |
| 15:58.04 | Cloudef | EvilDragon: why? |
| 15:58.05 | zhasha | DRI2 is an X11 extension |
| 15:58.16 | Cloudef | zhasha: it is, but X driver needs to use it |
| 15:58.46 | zhasha | Aren't we talking about wayland here? |
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| 16:01.20 | EvilDragon | Cloudef, X usually doesn't render with 3D hardware. |
| 16:02.05 | Cloudef | EvilDragon: Using some different X than default sounds like asking for problems though :P |
| 16:02.19 | Cloudef | I know the SGX package contains also custom X for their "pvr" driver |
| 16:02.23 | Cloudef | but it works like a shit |
| 16:02.29 | Zoxc | OMAP5's display subsystem can't do rotations at 1080p? |
| 16:02.51 | EvilDragon | Cloudef, Relying on anything SGX is totally crazy, probabyl. |
| 16:03.25 | GodGinrai | How much of a battery performance hit does using the SGX have? |
| 16:03.54 | GodGinrai | If it's not too much, then I would probably not mind it as much |
| 16:03.55 | Cloudef | EvilDragon: omapdrm should work with standard X though, at least I did use it with one |
| 16:04.28 | Cloudef | The SGX kernel driver can just use DRI2 to blit shit to X windows I guess, regardless how X blitting is accelerated |
| 16:05.07 | Cloudef | I have no idea how the SGX driver pandora use, support drawing stuff to X windows.. |
| 16:06.54 | GodGinrai | Zoxc: As far as we know, there is some bad delay with the TILER |
| 16:07.37 | Zoxc | What does TILER stand for, and do you have a source? |
| 16:08.21 | Cloudef | it's probably some subsystem of the 2d acceleration chip |
| 16:08.36 | Zoxc | No, that's separate |
| 16:08.43 | slaeshjag | Zoxc: http://boards.openpandora.org/topic/16040-beautiful-landscapes-are-prettier-than-portraits/page-3#entry327774 |
| 16:09.19 | Cloudef | google gives only git links |
| 16:09.23 | Zoxc | ofc there's a thread, with a poll |
| 16:09.41 | zhasha | http://www.latticesemi.com/en/Products/FPGAandCPLD/iCE40.aspx It's time... |
| 16:10.10 | Cloudef | I know SGX has tiler too |
| 16:10.14 | Cloudef | but it's most likely not this tiler :P |
| 16:10.54 | EvilDragon | Cloudef, It does, but omapdrm is slow. |
| 16:11.18 | Cloudef | EvilDragon: yeah it is |
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| 16:12.36 | Cloudef | Zoxc: http://lwn.net/Articles/417790/ |
| 16:12.48 | Cloudef | Zoxc: so TILER == DMM |
| 16:14.19 | GodGinrai | supposedly, according to the GLSDK data sheet for the OMAP 5, omapdrm doesn't even support Rotation/Tiler 2D |
| 16:14.47 | Cloudef | EvilDragon: the slowness is one of the reasons I just gave up |
| 16:15.26 | Cloudef | even typing on terminal was painful :P |
| 16:15.35 | GodGinrai | which is weird |
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| 16:16.21 | GodGinrai | because the git repo for omapdrm on gitorius shows a commit adding DMM rotation APIs 2 years ago |
| 16:16.43 | Cloudef | though my goal was to get weston running where it probably would not mattered as it would've run through omapdrm (kernel driver) and SGX, no xorg at all or omapdrm (xorg driver) |
| 16:17.23 | Zoxc | Isn't 1280x720 a bit large too? You'd run 1920x1080 with pixel doubling getting 960x540 |
| 16:17.43 | Zoxc | Cloudef: You want XWayland also though |
| 16:17.58 | Cloudef | Zoxc: well, I would've not cared about that personally |
| 16:18.15 | Cloudef | Zoxc: but that doesn't need the xorg drivers etiher |
| 16:18.16 | Zoxc | or you can't really run anything =P |
| 16:18.20 | GodGinrai | btw EvilDragon, it seems like the guy who made this commit would probably be who notaz|work would want to talk to about getting the TILER working |
| 16:18.27 | Cloudef | Zoxc: you can actually run surprisingly lot |
| 16:18.33 | Zoxc | It needs the SGX driver |
| 16:18.36 | Cloudef | Heck you can run enligthenment stuff even on DRM |
| 16:18.40 | GodGinrai | Andy Gross (andy.gross@ti.com) |
| 16:19.01 | Zoxc | You can run clean modern toolkit things |
| 16:19.14 | Zoxc | So pretty much none of Pandora and Debians applications =P |
| 16:19.38 | Cloudef | Zoxc: you'd be surprised, I could run probably everything as on my desktop |
| 16:19.44 | Cloudef | that is terminal + web browser |
| 16:20.42 | Zoxc | If you like Chromium :) |
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| 16:25.06 | GodGinrai | The TILER rotate code seems pretty simple. I can't understand why there wouldn't be some faster way to write the framebuffer to the memory |
| 16:25.31 | Cloudef | you are still trying to solve problem that should not even exist :P |
| 16:25.43 | Cloudef | we are not a phone god damnit, just get a landscape screen |
| 16:25.47 | Klumpen | :D |
| 16:26.50 | GodGinrai | Cloudef: Find some landscape screens, and I'm sure EvilDragon will happily purchase them. |
| 16:26.57 | Klumpen | yeah, it's a bit like these "building a beamer out of an overhead projector" projects |
| 16:27.30 | Trezker | Pyra is gonna need a Goat simulator |
| 16:27.51 | Cloudef | http://bit.ly/1i7RFAe |
| 16:28.02 | GodGinrai | Trezker: As long as we get bear simulator, we'll be fine |
| 16:28.33 | Klumpen | Nyancat flight simulator please |
| 16:30.11 | GodGinrai | Yea, Cloudef, I'm sure EvilDragon will get right on downloading that landscape screen from softonic |
| 16:34.27 | Klumpen | (. Y .) |
| 16:44.03 | Cloudef | "1 frame latency" since when frame was tied to time :P |
| 16:44.23 | Cloudef | "The 1 frame latency is a theoretical MAX. In reality, it will probably be a LOT lower, most probably only a few ms." |
| 16:44.24 | Cloudef | this line I mean |
| 16:44.29 | B-ZaR | Cloudef: I assume that assumes the panel's refresh rate |
| 16:45.43 | Zoxc | Frame latency is pretty common =P |
| 16:46.37 | Cloudef | Maybe I'm only one who finds that line odd then |
| 16:46.54 | Cloudef | 1 frame is theoretical MAX, in reality few ms most likely |
| 16:46.59 | Cloudef | frame != time ? |
| 16:47.13 | Cloudef | it's like frame == second in this context |
| 16:47.16 | zhasha | 1 frame @ 60Hz = 16.67ms |
| 16:48.18 | Cloudef | isn't that 16.66 :P |
| 16:48.34 | Cloudef | or well |
| 16:48.37 | Cloudef | 16.66.................................... |
| 16:48.46 | Cloudef | so rounder up to 16.67 |
| 16:48.50 | Cloudef | s/rounded* |
| 16:48.55 | Cloudef | blergh |
| 16:50.28 | Cloudef | ah, ed seems to say in earlier posts that one frame is 16ms |
| 16:52.46 | WizardStan | Something else I read while trying to understand this chip he proposed said 7ms max, but I can't find it now. |
| 16:53.11 | WizardStan | I read a lot of stuff and promptly forgot 90% of it. |
| 16:54.28 | aTc | why don't they just swap the x and y leads |
| 16:55.00 | aTc | has anyone actually suggested that yet ? :) |
| 16:55.04 | Cloudef | no |
| 16:55.26 | Cloudef | everyone was too busy thinking how to solve this with rotation |
| 16:55.33 | Cloudef | either in software or extrenal hardware |
| 16:55.45 | Zoxc | But using a 720x1280 display and a chip which rotates it with lossy compression is fine =P |
| 16:56.24 | aTc | just use a mirror |
| 16:56.29 | aTc | or a second screen and a webcam |
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| 16:57.27 | urjaman | well... since there are no "x and y leads" physically -.- |
| 16:58.09 | aTc | there are, but they're inside the screen |
| 16:58.28 | slaeshjag | Sounds like a simple mod |
| 16:58.29 | zhasha | Do like Sinclair and put a lens in front to compensate for your terrible screen |
| 16:58.38 | slaeshjag | I'm quite good with pliers and sidecutters |
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| 17:08.19 | Cloudef | あいざわ >> Light Night Beat 2 >> Rebelion -LNB2 Remix- |
| 17:09.20 | Cloudef | but seriously this world must be quite crazy if there is no landscape HD screens at size of 5" |
| 17:12.31 | aTc | there are |
| 17:13.44 | aTc | but finding one thats any good, and doesn't require a minimum order of 100K is |
| 17:14.42 | aTc | at the numbers ED wants to have them, they're not going to fire up the factory to produce them, its more what old crap they have left from some other order |
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| 17:15.43 | Cloudef | yeah, it's sad |
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| 17:21.08 | Klumpen | ED won't only get scraps if his third console is more popular because of Pyras success ;) |
| 17:21.31 | aTc | or gets bought by facebook |
| 17:22.17 | Klumpen | by Microsoft or Valve |
| 17:22.45 | WizardStan | I doubt Microsoft would even look at Pyra. Valve might. |
| 17:22.56 | WizardStan | But then, 2 months ago I would have thought the same thing about Facebook and Oculus. |
| 17:22.59 | aTc | no they wont |
| 17:23.21 | Klumpen | things can change rapidly over night... |
| 17:23.22 | WizardStan | They won't in any real world, but in my fictional AU they did. |
| 17:23.32 | aTc | gaming handhelds are dead |
| 17:23.35 | aTc | netbooks are dead |
| 17:23.42 | WizardStan | The witch is dead |
| 17:23.53 | Klumpen | Smartphones are Hipster nonsense |
| 17:24.03 | Klumpen | Pyra is trve stuff |
| 17:25.13 | EvilDragon | GodGinrai, Is that commit from Tomi? He's actually helping out ;) |
| 17:25.29 | Klumpen | someday, Nintendo will make games for EDs line of handhelds ;) |
| 17:27.12 | EvilDragon | aTc, There are landscape screens? Panelook doesn't list a single one. |
| 17:27.58 | EvilDragon | Neither does any manufacturer or distributor I asked offer me one. |
| 17:28.35 | zhasha | Can I run Plan9 on the Pyra? |
| 17:32.16 | Klumpen | like getting a 26'' (non-mountain)bike with for men with carrier nowadays. You'll either get a used one or a modded mountainbike and have to search a while for both. |
| 17:32.24 | Klumpen | Plan 9 from Outer Space? |
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| 17:37.47 | zhasha | Plan 9 from Bell Labs |
| 17:37.55 | dreamer | hehe: http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/9849549/THE_PIRATE_BAY_BUNDLE |
| 17:39.37 | Klumpen | lol, not even copyright infringement? no real pirate bundle :D |
| 17:39.50 | dreamer | hehe |
| 17:41.19 | Klumpen | Konkey Dong looks funny though |
| 17:41.25 | Klumpen | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVGavUzfv48 |
| 17:43.31 | dreamer | it looks, familiar .. |
| 17:46.02 | Klumpen | so many plumbers, so little time :D |
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| 17:56.03 | GodGinrai | EvilDragon: The name of the committer was not Tomi, so I don't think so |
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| 18:41.01 | Klumpen | bundles everywhere... does anyone know, if these are drm-free? http://groupees.com/bm12 |
| 18:41.09 | Klumpen | I don't know groupees.com |
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| 19:08.32 | ZetaNeta | Why dont ED sell pandora in Wooden case signed by himself? |
| 19:08.56 | ZetaNeta | And give a option of plastic box, for 15euros extra |
| 19:09.10 | ZetaNeta | Why he does it other way around? XD |
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| 19:26.22 | dreamer | ZetaNeta: eh? there's no wooden case afaik |
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| 19:30.01 | ZetaNeta | I mean, why to sell a plastic case pandora in a wooden box, when you can do it other way around |
| 19:30.04 | ZetaNeta | Its a joke ofcourse |
| 19:31.33 | ZetaNeta | just got kinda sad about buying a pandora around a week ago, because he just saw Panasonic CF-U1.... |
| 19:31.57 | dreamer | if that makes you sad you probably shouldn't be here |
| 19:32.27 | gsterling | wow that's... a piece of tech |
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| 19:33.29 | ZetaNeta | gsterling, The most sad thing, is that it fits my "handheld desktop" more than pandora, and cost much less |
| 19:33.51 | ZetaNeta | From another side, we dont know how much the battery is enough for |
| 19:34.23 | ZetaNeta | "Upto 9 hours" /me again quite satisfied with buying a pandora |
| 19:34.54 | gsterling | as a handheld desktop I'm sure it'd be fine... though didn't really look at the specs |
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| 19:35.01 | urjaman | "Upto" ... if somebody quoted a traditional "Upto" battery time for a pandora, it would be like >20 hours :P |
| 19:35.29 | Binky | More like "up to" 30h |
| 19:35.41 | dreamer | gsterling: some atom thingy with win7 on it |
| 19:36.01 | Binky | probably "up to" 40 for audio playback using the dsp |
| 19:36.52 | ZetaNeta | urjaman, Upto, can last for a month |
| 19:37.21 | gsterling | the more I read about it... seems far too feature 'rich' and gimped by the atom processor |
| 19:38.08 | gsterling | the transreflective display might be nice... but the review I'm reading complains the viewing angle is pretty bad :/ |
| 19:38.16 | urjaman | you could replace that same line to be about the pandora and "by the Cortex A8 " |
| 19:38.39 | gsterling | how is that cheaper than a Pandora at $2599? |
| 19:39.02 | gsterling | and that's the base model |
| 19:39.27 | dreamer | maybe he's talking about some earlier model on ebay? |
| 19:39.47 | gsterling | urjaman: what makes the pandora feature rich and gimped by the Cortex A8? |
| 19:41.12 | urjaman | it has all the input doodads :P, usb host, etc..., and the A8 is sort of old, although i dont care (i was just playing the other side) |
| 19:41.14 | gsterling | I was just thinking the thumb scanner, bar code scanner, gps, camera... yada yada... it's a lot to pack into a 'handheld' |
| 19:41.24 | urjaman | okay, well... |
| 19:41.53 | urjaman | I have to admit that i wasnt reading about the CF-U1 ... (although i remember reading about something similar) |
| 19:41.55 | gsterling | all stuff I can see useful in a warehouse/junkyard environment... |
| 19:42.23 | gsterling | probably not so great for a handheld desktop |
| 19:42.32 | gsterling | backlit keyboard though... s'nice |
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| 19:51.44 | gsterling | undexsym: broke down and got a computer I can compuse music on again... and do digital art... |
| 19:52.31 | Binky | Does that need a special computer? |
| 19:53.10 | undexsym | gsterling: fantastic. gimme music |
| 19:53.14 | gsterling | no... but all the old projects I have are in a couple different formats that I cannot work with on Linux :/ |
| 19:54.22 | undexsym | woo, phone interview with imagination technologies is on monday |
| 19:55.01 | gsterling | undexsym: good luck! |
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| 19:55.51 | undexsym | luck wont help. I'm automatically doomed because I suck at everything I like |
| 19:56.22 | undexsym | I mean, thanks |
| 19:56.34 | gsterling | :P |
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| 20:12.55 | ZetaNeta | Whats the difference between boot.txt and autoboot.txt? |
| 20:13.07 | ZetaNeta | No need to hold the shoulder button? |
| 20:13.12 | ZetaNeta | Or what? |
| 20:16.56 | undexsym | they have different file names |
| 20:18.21 | ZetaNeta | found it |
| 20:18.37 | ZetaNeta | I wonder... is uboot hardcoded into pandora? |
| 20:18.42 | ZetaNeta | In some way |
| 20:19.12 | slaeshjag | It is flashed to NAND in a way that can be reflashed. |
| 20:19.23 | urjaman | Use the source and docs, Luke... or actually ZetaNeta |
| 20:19.38 | ZetaNeta | urjaman, I just found the right doc |
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| 20:46.33 | ZetaNeta | Can it load from ext2 as a boot partition. As docs are saying that the ROM searches for any FAT32 with bootable flag. |
| 20:46.56 | ZetaNeta | And boot manual makes it somekind of messed up, giving no straight answers |
| 20:48.10 | ZetaNeta | Wait... i see some light |
| 20:48.18 | ZetaNeta | "When running U-Boot will look for the presence of this script on 1st partition of SD1 providing that partition is FAT or EXT2/3." |
| 20:48.57 | urjaman | http://git.openpandora.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=pandora-u-boot.git;a=blob;f=include/configs/omap3_pandora.h;h=b09ae1d68c3449194e32a7faa439bbc12e0989ad;hb=HEAD#l189 |
| 20:49.03 | urjaman | the source |
| 20:49.44 | urjaman | thats the autoboot |
| 20:49.52 | urjaman | http://git.openpandora.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=pandora-u-boot.git;a=blob;f=board/pandora/menu.c;h=3f2635543c2d36521bdb4b76cd73aa36782f0981;hb=HEAD thats the menu |
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| 21:27.58 | ZetaNeta | What R2/L2 contacts are doing on a pandora board? |
| 21:28.13 | ZetaNeta | And more important: Are they usable? |
| 21:28.38 | slaeshjag | They are usable to the point that if you hook switches up to them, they will do stuff |
| 21:29.02 | ZetaNeta | Under stuff, you mean clicking, or you mean real events in the OS? |
| 21:29.36 | ZetaNeta | doesnt even know, if switches will be more use than buttons :DDD |
| 21:30.41 | ZetaNeta | slaeshjag, |
| 21:30.49 | slaeshjag | I don't know what they do |
| 21:31.07 | slaeshjag | Someone on the boards connected switches to them. You should probably look for that thread |
| 21:31.09 | ZetaNeta | No one have ever tried? What world am i living in? |
| 21:31.28 | ZetaNeta | Well, gonna search |
| 21:31.56 | ZetaNeta | Can point me somewhere? |
| 21:32.26 | ZetaNeta | Also, what are PAD1(+) and PAD2(-) are for? |
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| 21:34.33 | ZetaNeta | Pandora looks like having tons of good, yet unused IO on the board |
| 21:35.16 | ZetaNeta | Cant understand why ED gone cheap on just 2 diodes for the 2 user controllable LEDs |
| 21:38.45 | urjaman | the + and - are the freaking + and - :P, you can use them to run the board from a battery-replacement bench supply (3.2 - 4.2 V or so...) from those ... |
| 21:40.06 | urjaman | you should read this http://www.openpandora.org/downloads/PANDORA_Hackers_manual_v101.pdf |
| 21:49.28 | DJWillis | ZetaNeta: there was a lot on there that is not setup or Mike Weston put on for fun and hacking :). |
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| 21:58.09 | ZetaNeta | How much one would pay for a Wifi range upgrade? |
| 21:59.47 | ZetaNeta | Basically, a enhanced antenna. |
| 22:01.04 | ReactorScram | I have a hypothetical question |
| 22:01.28 | ReactorScram | Say I accidentally lock my Pandora in a room with wifi, over a weekend |
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| 22:01.59 | ZetaNeta | So.... |
| 22:02.00 | ReactorScram | If I have SSH access is there a "go into standby" command I can run? Maybe one of the scripts? |
| 22:02.18 | ZetaNeta | "You locked it in the toilet. Didnt yea?" |
| 22:02.21 | ReactorScram | Basically what script runs when I flick the power switch |
| 22:02.33 | ZetaNeta | Want "super duper pandora sleep mode"? |
| 22:02.38 | ZetaNeta | Or just to shut it down? |
| 22:02.55 | slaeshjag | ReactorScram: Should be somewhere in /usr/pandora? |
| 22:02.55 | ReactorScram | Hmm I suppose halting it would be best |
| 22:03.02 | ZetaNeta | ReactorScram, Got root rights? |
| 22:03.08 | ReactorScram | ZetaNeta: yeah |
| 22:03.16 | ReactorScram | sudo anyway |
| 22:03.16 | ZetaNeta | do init 0 |
| 22:03.34 | ZetaNeta | I think every linux user should know that |
| 22:03.42 | slaeshjag | shutdown -h now |
| 22:03.45 | slaeshjag | easier to remember |
| 22:04.15 | ZetaNeta | slaeshjag, I only see shutdown useful on multiuser systems |
| 22:04.22 | ZetaNeta | Where tons of users are connected |
| 22:04.29 | ZetaNeta | And you are just too lazy ass to wall them |
| 22:04.47 | ZetaNeta | init 0 is shorter, and goes faster |
| 22:04.49 | slaeshjag | poking on init run level manually just screams "slackware in the 90's" to me |
| 22:04.56 | ReactorScram | Okay good to know |
| 22:05.10 | ReactorScram | I see there is an op_power.sh |
| 22:05.25 | ZetaNeta | ReactorScram, Again, init 0 makes sure that it goes black |
| 22:05.46 | ReactorScram | Wel maybe I was in the middle of a game and I just want to suspend it |
| 22:06.01 | ZetaNeta | I would not dare to trust a "human written script" for shutting down something XD |
| 22:06.06 | ReactorScram | I think the battery will last a weekend in suspend? |
| 22:06.22 | ZetaNeta | Well, got no idea how to suspend on such things |
| 22:06.42 | ZetaNeta | I remember "suspend" command may do, but never tried it on laptops, and surely didnt on OP |
| 22:07.01 | ReactorScram | Well when I flick the power switch it suspends |
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| 22:12.58 | ZetaNeta | But there are no power switches in SSH :D |
| 22:13.07 | ZetaNeta | Atleast the physical ones |
| 22:13.20 | ZetaNeta | I am thinking to spend some time modeling a oak case for pandora, instead of the low quality plastic we got. |
| 22:13.26 | ZetaNeta | And trying to make one |
| 22:13.45 | ZetaNeta | Or maybe any other material... but something better than the one we got please |
| 22:14.23 | zhasha | ZetaNeta: pm-suspend? |
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| 22:45.48 | Wally | No idea why I bother looking at the forums |
| 22:46.42 | Lightkey | <Schwarzenegger> are you a glutton for punishment? |
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| 22:47.39 | Wally | Lightkey: Touché |
| 22:49.19 | Lightkey | well, actually not Schwarzenegger, someone impersonating him playing the Terminator in a sketch about the last days of Jesus |
| 23:03.16 | Wally | Exophase ;) |
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