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| 19:14.09 | henk | is anyone here still using their gta02? which distro and for what usecase? |
| 19:14.48 | PaulFertser | henk: I'm using, connected to a laptop due to bad battery and damaged touchscreen |
| 19:15.12 | PaulFertser | henk: plain Debian, as before. Voice and messages via SMS |
| 19:21.22 | henk | PaulFertser: errr, that sounds ⦠a bit impractical o_O itâs not your primary phone, is it? just some fallback, or so? |
| 19:22.01 | PaulFertser | henk: I do not use any other phone, I'm too unhappy with the technology and network operators etc. |
| 19:22.14 | PaulFertser | henk: I use a fixed landline phone at home in addition to that. |
| 19:23.03 | PaulFertser | henk: I was carrying that gta02 with me everywhere before I damaged the touchscreen and used it as a cell phone, was taking notes in org-mode etc. |
| 19:24.14 | henk | PaulFertser: oh, wow ok |
| 19:24.50 | PaulFertser | henk: if someone needs me I'm available via e-mail, jabber, irc; I do not think a cell phone is a necessity. |
| 19:30.46 | henk | PaulFertser: yeah, I understand and agree, in particular with the 'unhappy' part ⦠|
| 19:32.47 | henk | PaulFertser: have you tried getting a replacement (gta02|battery)? |
| 19:34.19 | PaulFertser | henk: replacement batteries are available everywhere, it's just nokia bl-5c |
| 19:35.01 | henk | PaulFertser: have you looked at pinephone and/or librem 5? are you unhappy with those too? if so, why? |
| 19:37.09 | PaulFertser | henk: pinephone I'd consider, the pine company seems to be sane and nice. I'm "a bit" disturbed that their primary discussion channels are web forum (and the awful discord?), that kinda worries me. Added to that is that they do not ship to russia. And all that combined with my aversion the way cell operators behave made me not want to bother much. |
| 19:37.52 | PaulFertser | henk: I have an ac100 netbook that I can carry arround, and it has a big enough screen, comfortable keyboard etc, so why would I need a relatively small "phone" in addition to that? Just for the calls? |
| 19:38.40 | PaulFertser | henk: the company behind librem5 seems to be quirky if you remember their laptop story etc, so I do not have any faith in them. |
| 19:40.52 | PaulFertser | henk: another reason I'm not feeling like getting a "cell phone" is the history of Openmoko. There were many great people and plenty of momentum in the community. But my own impression is that all went up in smoke, probably the world just doesn't really need a proper free smartphone? When no free software hackers are really interested no usable product can be produced, so probably it's just |
| 19:40.58 | PaulFertser | really not needed for anything? |
| 19:49.39 | henk | Iâm not saying you do need one, Iâm just curious about your mindset (: I only know very few people who do not have a smartphone almost constantly with them. One person I know is still using a nokia 6310 or something like that. One other has some old phone but only takes it with him on hikes IIRC. 99% of people I know have their (android|iOS) phone always with them ⦠|
| 19:50.34 | henk | I know what you mean about the community and the world ⦠maybe things would have gone differently after snowden, who knows |
| 19:50.39 | PaulFertser | henk: I understand, and I'm trying to explain, no problem :) |
| 19:51.25 | henk | I just found my GTA02 and got curious what I might be able to do with it ⦠|
| 19:51.57 | henk | Now Iâm considering installing debian on it just to see how that turns out |
| 19:52.31 | PaulFertser | I can't tell you about the upstream kernel status unfortunately. |
| 19:52.59 | henk | debian (and other general purpose distros like gentoo, slackware, etc) are probably the only sensible thing to install, right? all the phone distros seem unmaintained, i.e. SHR, hackable:1, etc. |
| 19:53.27 | henk | PaulFertser: hm, not sure I understand what that means. what kernel are you running on it? |
| 19:54.58 | PaulFertser | henk: I'm afraid that's some ancient kernel, probably 2.6.28 or something. I remember implementing one final fix to it (after debugging with a JTAG adapter) to fix resume from suspend2ram, and I stopped updating since then. |
| 19:57.22 | henk | hrhr, ok, I see |
| 19:57.52 | henk | oh, I just remember that if I even really try to use it as a phone, Iâll have to do that microphone fix with soldering ⦠|
| 19:58.22 | PaulFertser | I'm sad to see FSO API and implementation not getting any traction, and it's not even mentioned anywhere in the articles talking about the free smartphones history. |
| 19:58.41 | PaulFertser | henk: that microphone fix is near trivial though |
| 19:59.41 | PaulFertser | (well, you need to desolder one 0402 but you can then put an 0603 in place of it) |
| 20:02.16 | PaulFertser | (and it's not like soldering one 0402 with a non-huge soldering iron is too complicated; I've recently hand-assembled a keyboard with more than 10 of them) |
| 20:05.12 | henk | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_bass_fix itâs that one IIRC |
| 20:05.39 | henk | PaulFertser: keyboard: your own build or something public or even popular? |
| 20:06.01 | PaulFertser | henk: no, the bass fix is a different thing. I was probably the first to perform it :) |
| 20:07.13 | PaulFertser | henk: I took gerbers and BOM from https://github.com/nicolai86/ganymede/tree/master/rev3 and had to design some sort of tray for the casing (he didn't share the case files) |
| 20:07.26 | PaulFertser | For whatever reason a bunch of 0402 capacitors were used |
| 20:09.56 | henk | fix: oh ok ⦠I should probably just not start anything with that device. I have too many other things to play around with and Iâm just using it to distract me from those :D |
| 20:11.11 | PaulFertser | What a nice wiki we had! |
| 20:11.14 | henk | PaulFertser: keyboard looks cool but not enough keys for me (: Iâm currently quite happy with my 72 keys and donât see how I could reduce that any further and still be able to do all the things I want to be able to do with a keyboard ⦠|
| 20:12.54 | henk | oh yes, that was (and still is, considering that the most recent change is almost 3 years old) really nice |
| 20:13.50 | PaulFertser | henk: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM_buzz |
| 20:15.43 | PaulFertser | henk: I even use mouse emulation feature of QMK with it. It feels like 40 % is almost always enough for what I usually need (Xmonad + Emacs + bash) |
| 20:20.48 | PaulFertser | I miss Openmoko days so much :( |
| 21:13.31 | dos1 | > I'm sad to see FSO API and implementation not getting any traction |
| 21:13.56 | dos1 | I used to think the same, but these days I don't think it's actually necessary |
| 21:15.06 | dos1 | FSO did well back in the day, but now things that FSO was doing are actually getting integrated and welcomed in regular desktop environments |
| 21:17.50 | dos1 | with ModemManager doing calls; GNOME/Plasma/etc. alrady doing what fsodeviced used to; things like geoclue/iio-sensor-proxy being regular parts of desktop stack... something like FSO isn't that much needed anymore |
| 21:20.47 | PaulFertser | No way I would like to run GNOME or Plasma on a smartphone just to cover automatic power control for hardware modules, no, absolutely not :) |
| 21:21.34 | PaulFertser | Regarding ModemManager, hm, does it mean I can easily port my Emacs UI to using its API for voice calls and everything? |
| 21:21.48 | dos1 | ha :) although that particular thing is more like a kernel's job :D |
| 21:21.57 | dos1 | you should be able, yes |
| 21:23.38 | dos1 | Librem 5's stack (which is also used by most of PinePhone distros) is based on ModemManager |
| 21:24.21 | dos1 | (btw - funnily enough, earlier today I've started trying to build a SHR image based on a build tree I found on some old hard drive :D) |
| 21:26.22 | dos1 | found some repos that weren't archived yet in the process, so I uploaded what I had to https://github.com/freesmartphone/ |
| 21:30.15 | PaulFertser | I still have a feeling FSO was the right level of abstraction at the right place. |
| 21:33.33 | PaulFertser | It would be interesting to know what you say after you try porting the nice SHR phone apps to librem's stack dos1 ;) |
| 21:37.46 | dos1 | I think the biggest issue in getting them to run would actually be EFL. you'd have to either get the whole EFL stack from ~2014, or catch up with everything EFL has managed to change since then |
| 21:39.19 | PaulFertser | Oh indeed |
| 21:39.23 | PaulFertser | Have forgotten about that. |