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| 20:16.59 | knothurtback | hi |
| 20:17.15 | knothurtback | Does Openmoko have a feature that allows a phone to be remotely turned on? |
| 20:27.02 | PaulFertser | knothurtback: yes |
| 20:27.16 | PaulFertser | knothurtback: log in via ssh and use "shutdown -p now" or "poweroff". |
| 20:27.28 | PaulFertser | knothurtback: like most other GNU/Linux systems out there. |
| 20:28.16 | knothurtback | PaulFertser: the phone has a differ stack than most phones? |
| 20:28.25 | knothurtback | It cant be turned on remotely like how feds do it? |
| 20:28.37 | PaulFertser | knothurtback: oh, you mean turned on, not turned off |
| 20:28.39 | PaulFertser | knothurtback: sorry |
| 20:29.08 | PaulFertser | knothurtback: I think you might want to take a look at http://neo900.org |
| 20:29.20 | PaulFertser | knothurtback: old openmoko phones can't be turned on remotely too, of course. |
| 20:29.29 | knothurtback | really |
| 20:29.32 | knothurtback | why |
| 20:29.32 | PaulFertser | knothurtback: the hardware schematics are available and it's just impossible. |
| 20:29.38 | knothurtback | are you serious |
| 20:29.43 | PaulFertser | knothurtback: yes |
| 20:29.50 | knothurtback | then why is it taking neo900 super big bucks to redo it all |
| 20:29.57 | knothurtback | as it seems thats the only modern phone that will be setup like that |
| 20:30.07 | knothurtback | but most of the money is not in design eg. color, or keyboard, or screen |
| 20:30.10 | knothurtback | but this feature im talking about |
| 20:30.14 | PaulFertser | knothurtback: they're doing much more than gta02 had to offer. |
| 20:30.19 | knothurtback | no remote turn on, as a result from the stack |
| 20:30.20 | knothurtback | new stack |
| 20:30.25 | knothurtback | hmmm |
| 20:30.27 | knothurtback | fuck |
| 20:30.38 | PaulFertser | knothurtback: there's hardware. If the part is not powered, it can't be turned on, anyhow. |
| 20:30.43 | knothurtback | can old open moko phones |
| 20:30.51 | knothurtback | be bought or sent to small china factory |
| 20:30.53 | knothurtback | for small run |
| 20:30.59 | knothurtback | or only if im super rich lol |
| 20:31.22 | PaulFertser | knothurtback: the problem is with sourcing of old chips. Producing a PCB is not a problem. |
| 20:31.45 | knothurtback | old chips for the modem or video and other stuff |
| 20:31.48 | knothurtback | this sucks man |
| 20:31.50 | PaulFertser | knothurtback: in fact, it's pretty easy with most phones, just take off the battery and the device won't be able to turn on anyhow, including remotely. |
| 20:32.02 | knothurtback | no |
| 20:32.05 | knothurtback | with battery out too |
| 20:32.08 | knothurtback | it can be turned on |
| 20:32.13 | PaulFertser | knothurtback: proof or gtfo |
| 20:32.14 | knothurtback | since dumphones in 2001? |
| 20:32.32 | knothurtback | https://www.cnet.com/news/fbi-taps-cell-phone-mic-as-eavesdropping-tool/ |
| 20:32.44 | PaulFertser | reading |
| 20:33.45 | knothurtback | inhibition has been lost |
| 20:33.52 | knothurtback | fuck the linux communityt for letting this phone die |
| 20:34.00 | knothurtback | fuck android fanboys even more |
| 20:34.15 | knothurtback | for not getting even these chinese assholes making $$$$ to do a budget phone that cant be turned on remotel |
| 20:34.30 | knothurtback | now where are we 10 years later, neo900 will be 550 bucks almost |
| 20:34.31 | knothurtback | wtf |
| 20:34.47 | knothurtback | -end rant |
| 20:35.22 | PaulFertser | knothurtback: where does it say it can work with battery removed? |
| 20:36.06 | PaulFertser | knothurtback: i'm still using my gta02. But I agree, it's the lack of community interest that resulted in it being discontinued. |
| 20:36.30 | knothurtback | I forget |
| 20:36.42 | knothurtback | the point is PaulFertser ...why the f am i going to be ok |
| 20:36.43 | knothurtback | with taking the battery out dude |
| 20:36.48 | knothurtback | wtf...then the phone is useless |
| 20:36.49 | knothurtback | lol |
| 20:36.52 | PaulFertser | knothurtback: radio transmission needs power. If you remove the power source, then it's the end of transmission. |
| 20:37.00 | knothurtback | yes i understand |
| 20:37.10 | knothurtback | what im treying to say is why does it cost BOOKOO bucks |
| 20:37.17 | knothurtback | to make schematics where modem cant be turned on remotely |
| 20:37.23 | knothurtback | no psuedo power off? |
| 20:37.26 | knothurtback | or whatever the term is |
| 20:37.47 | PaulFertser | knothurtback: designing any smartphone costs plenty of money, unfortunately. |
| 20:38.20 | knothurtback | why are the stacks not modular where community can source that one asshole part |
| 20:38.24 | knothurtback | that is different |
| 20:38.31 | knothurtback | the modem or whatever |
| 20:38.51 | PaulFertser | knothurtback: I can imagine a malware that just sets an alarm to wake up every 30 minutes and to connect to C&C to check if it's the time to start listening. |
| 20:39.15 | knothurtback | whats c and c |
| 20:39.26 | knothurtback | malware like an android app |
| 20:39.27 | knothurtback | or what |
| 20:39.41 | PaulFertser | command and control |
| 20:40.15 | knothurtback | oh gotcha |
| 20:40.19 | PaulFertser | knothurtback: for android that would be android app, for other os, some other app. My point is that if it can be done on software level without anything special about schematics and modem. |
| 20:40.33 | knothurtback | huh |
| 20:40.38 | knothurtback | but if its all open |
| 20:40.40 | knothurtback | it doesnt matter |
| 20:40.45 | knothurtback | software level wise |
| 20:40.47 | knothurtback | right? |
| 20:40.57 | PaulFertser | All software has bugs. Bugs can be exploited. In open software too. |
| 20:41.13 | knothurtback | so you are saying be pessimistic |
| 20:41.37 | PaulFertser | I'm saying remove the battery to be sure |
| 20:41.46 | knothurtback | no man, I want to play games or go on youtube |
| 20:41.52 | PaulFertser | Use scrap phones and scrap simcards. |
| 20:42.25 | PaulFertser | And use any given simcard in only a single phone. |
| 20:42.32 | knothurtback | so freerunner...if someone was to redo that |
| 20:42.39 | knothurtback | you would have to raise over 500,000 bucks or what |
| 20:42.54 | knothurtback | what would be an ideal crowdsource goal wild guess |
| 20:43.01 | PaulFertser | You know the freecalypso person? |
| 20:43.18 | knothurtback | nope, googling him now |
| 20:43.30 | knothurtback | PaulFertser: you are cool btw, thanks for replying to me |
| 20:43.34 | PaulFertser | He's after building a featurephone based on calypso chipset with illegally open sourced firmware. |
| 20:43.49 | knothurtback | lmao |
| 20:43.51 | knothurtback | yes im reading |
| 20:43.56 | knothurtback | it says basebadn adapter stuff |
| 20:44.01 | knothurtback | this is what i was told years ago which is not available |
| 20:44.08 | knothurtback | or which is the key part to this topic |
| 20:45.27 | PaulFertser | knothurtback: realistically, the way to somehow manage security is compartmentalisation. If you can't reliably do it in software, do it in hardware. Use an android phone for youtubing, and scrap featurephones for other purposes. |
| 20:45.30 | knothurtback | also can you help me find a phone for sale |
| 20:45.32 | knothurtback | the one you have |
| 20:45.40 | PaulFertser | You might be interested in running Qubes OS on your laptop. |
| 20:46.14 | knothurtback | huh... |
| 20:46.16 | knothurtback | i see a new mobo... |
| 20:46.18 | PaulFertser | Unfortunately, I have no idea. Probably GoldenDelicious or Pulster still have some new. |
| 20:46.19 | knothurtback | gta04? |
| 20:46.27 | knothurtback | can I just get that mobo?! |
| 20:46.31 | knothurtback | and do the rest of the parts? |
| 20:47.07 | knothurtback | why is all the phone stuff done by euro people |
| 20:47.09 | knothurtback | i never got this... |
| 20:47.17 | knothurtback | always some dudes who have huge accents and super euro |
| 20:48.07 | knothurtback | dude is selling it for 150 |
| 20:48.27 | PaulFertser | Seems free software movement is stronger in that part of the world. More people interested, more universities doing research etc. |
| 20:49.42 | PaulFertser | Why the USA still has software patents and EU doesn't? |
| 20:50.41 | knothurtback | hmmm |
| 20:50.42 | knothurtback | no idea |
| 20:50.47 | knothurtback | do you think 150 is a rip off |
| 20:50.51 | knothurtback | gta02 |
| 20:51.00 | knothurtback | its my bday |
| 20:51.04 | knothurtback | maybe i want to buy it |
| 20:51.05 | knothurtback | now |
| 20:53.01 | knothurtback | android assholes |
| 20:53.04 | knothurtback | ruined firefoxos |
| 20:53.08 | knothurtback | i hope android dies |
| 20:53.12 | knothurtback | and Google too eventually |
| 20:53.35 | PaulFertser | Depends on what you expect from the device really. |
| 20:53.44 | PaulFertser | By modern means it's awfully slow. |
| 20:54.01 | PaulFertser | GSM support does not even have EDGE. |
| 20:54.46 | PaulFertser | Voice communications quality is so-so. |
| 20:54.57 | PaulFertser | I doubt it can playback youtube videos with that old SoC. |
| 20:55.04 | knothurtback | f it |
| 20:55.07 | knothurtback | im going to save my money |
| 20:55.11 | knothurtback | and put it towards a project |
| 20:55.11 | PaulFertser | It can barely run Midori to watch OSM. |
| 20:55.17 | knothurtback | man firefox os... |
| 20:55.18 | knothurtback | did you try it |
| 20:55.20 | knothurtback | ? |
| 20:55.30 | PaulFertser | No, I do not like web technologies, so haven't even considered. |
| 20:55.31 | knothurtback | so wtf is everyone doing here then? |
| 20:55.36 | knothurtback | why not keep it going |
| 20:55.46 | knothurtback | PaulFertser: what do you prefer to make an app |
| 20:56.52 | PaulFertser | knothurtback: for the regular GUI I'd probably recommend Qt and C++14. |
| 20:57.26 | PaulFertser | I'm not into GUIs though but that seems at least sane. |
| 20:57.40 | PaulFertser | Openmoko lost momentum many years ago, unfortunately. |
| 20:58.20 | knothurtback | dude |
| 20:58.23 | knothurtback | neo900 |
| 20:58.27 | knothurtback | i mean |
| 20:58.28 | knothurtback | this sucks |
| 20:58.40 | knothurtback | so the calipso dude |
| 20:58.44 | knothurtback | question |
| 20:58.48 | knothurtback | he said TI said here is a chip and its open and free |
| 20:58.51 | knothurtback | then they left markey |
| 20:58.52 | knothurtback | market |
| 20:58.54 | PaulFertser | The task at hand was pretty hard. The resources scarce. Big players were soon offering plenty of features that just were impossible with this hardware and software, so people started to go away. |
| 20:58.56 | knothurtback | and then tried making it closed? |
| 20:59.03 | knothurtback | and he got all the info and made it public? |
| 20:59.33 | PaulFertser | The calypso dude found leaked sources for baseband processor. |
| 21:00.24 | PaulFertser | These sources were never available as open or free. |
| 21:00.57 | knothurtback | damn thats a crazy story |
| 21:01.03 | knothurtback | thats dope |
| 21:01.06 | knothurtback | did they try gfucking him |
| 21:01.08 | knothurtback | like legally |
| 21:01.11 | knothurtback | or death threats |
| 21:01.26 | PaulFertser | afaik, no, TI just doesn't care about some ancient sources. |
| 21:05.22 | PaulFertser | knothurtback: you should read about Qubes OS man |
| 21:05.48 | knothurtback | its got edward snowden on the front |
| 21:05.55 | knothurtback | lol...automatic sign this is a fed project |
| 21:06.07 | knothurtback | i trust only netbsd and openbsd |
| 21:06.16 | knothurtback | the rest are backdoored and i dont have the money to audit the code to prove it |
| 21:06.34 | knothurtback | and neither do typical 9-5 linux slaves in cubicles |
| 21:09.23 | PaulFertser | http://theinvisiblethings.blogspot.nl/2012/09/introducing-qubes-10.html |
| 21:11.55 | knothurtback | god |
| 21:11.57 | knothurtback | reading this stuff |
| 21:12.03 | knothurtback | makes me feel despair |
| 21:13.46 | PaulFertser | Read https://blog.invisiblethings.org/2015/10/27/x86_harmful.html and that will make you even more despair. |
| 21:21.13 | knothurtback | lol |
| 21:21.14 | knothurtback | you are funny |
| 21:21.17 | knothurtback | are you euro |
| 21:28.32 | PaulFertser | Kind of, I'm russian. |
| 21:59.18 | knothurtback | like Zangief |
| 21:59.21 | knothurtback | from SFII |