| 00:53.02 | XDS2010 | Does the latest updated GTA04-** have open source firmware drivers for the processor and radio ? |
| 00:53.20 | XDS2010 | gsm hsdpa radio i mean |
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| 03:30.59 | PaulFertser | XDS2010: the drivers for the processor and umts module on gta04 were always free software. |
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| 04:59.07 | XDS2010 | PaulFertser: free but are they open source ? |
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| 07:57.09 | larsc | I think he meant, free as in freedom, not free beer |
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| 10:19.16 | PaulFertser | XDS2010: free software is inherently open source. |
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| 13:27.23 | XDS2010 | slams head against wall |
| 13:28.21 | XDS2010 | PaulFertser freeware and published source code are two different things. I need to make certain the source code for the radio/cpu/kernel are fully open |
| 13:28.35 | PaulFertser | XDS2010: did i say freeware? |
| 13:28.41 | XDS2010 | PaulFertser: maybe i should put it a different way |
| 13:29.13 | XDS2010 | Is there any part of any firmwares that are linked to the GTA04* that are closed source ? |
| 13:29.24 | XDS2010 | :) |
| 13:30.37 | XDS2010 | Now lets see you slide out of that one :) |
| 13:31.54 | PaulFertser | XDS2010: the baseband processor runs proprietary shit of course. So does the wlan module, the bluetooth module and the gps module. But they're not running on the main SoC so I do not know if you consider that "linked to the GTA04" or not. |
| 13:32.35 | XDS2010 | ok then thats what i wanted to know. |
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| 13:32.52 | XDS2010 | :) |
| 13:33.00 | XDS2010 | So its not 100% open source |
| 13:34.42 | PaulFertser | XDS2010: what is? |
| 13:34.57 | XDS2010 | PaulFertser: i know of many projects that are |
| 13:35.18 | PaulFertser | XDS2010: is the computer display you're using right now opensource? Is HDD firmware you're running from open source? |
| 13:35.28 | XDS2010 | nope |
| 13:35.37 | PaulFertser | XDS2010: does your laptop not use some proprietary firmware in its "embedded controller"? |
| 13:35.54 | XDS2010 | i have no idea what an embedded controller is |
| 13:36.37 | PaulFertser | XDS2010: is the SMM handlers code on your PC open source? |
| 13:37.05 | XDS2010 | I've never checked |
| 13:37.46 | PaulFertser | XDS2010: so why you're bothered about the baseband firmware then? And if you're really interested in it, why do not you get gta02 and hack on osmocombb? |
| 13:37.49 | XDS2010 | Paul let me get back to you on the SMM handler :) |
| 13:38.39 | XDS2010 | PaulFertser: have you ever played quake ? |
| 13:38.54 | PaulFertser | With gta04 you do not have shared RAM with baseband so that's at least some decent kind of separation. |
| 13:38.56 | XDS2010 | Ever seen a floating terminal window ? |
| 13:39.18 | PaulFertser | XDS2010: i've seen people playing quake, yes. Floating terminal windows too. |
| 13:39.29 | XDS2010 | ok then. |
| 13:40.02 | XDS2010 | OSM is a good project. I don't have much confidence in some of the authors however. |
| 13:40.21 | XDS2010 | Far to much age diversification. |
| 13:40.44 | XDS2010 | Sorry if that sounds a tad critical. |
| 13:40.45 | PaulFertser | Are you talking about openstreetmap.org now? |
| 13:40.58 | XDS2010 | OSM is a great project oo |
| 13:41.00 | XDS2010 | too* |
| 13:41.21 | XDS2010 | No i was referring to OSMOCOMBB |
| 13:42.57 | XDS2010 | Paul, im going to take a shot in the dark here and guess the gsm in-cludes have not been completely reverse engineered enough to create a working binary |
| 13:43.17 | XDS2010 | Although i really do appreciate their work on UMA |
| 13:51.28 | PaulFertser | XDS2010: no, as far as i can tell osmocommbb runs on bare metal, no closed source parts. But the DSP part of the calypso firmware is in ROM. |
| 13:52.02 | PaulFertser | XDS2010: have you seen Sylvain's talk about using calypso as a BS? |
| 13:53.54 | XDS2010 | I saw a video of some of the work but i didn't really dive into it. |
| 13:55.19 | XDS2010 | I have to really hand it to the kid he put an amazing amount of work into the reverse engineering |
| 13:56.12 | PaulFertser | XDS2010: back to the gta04 topic, i think not running proprietary code on main CPU is already good enough. I think the only thing you might miss is OpenGLES hw acceleration. |
| 13:56.33 | XDS2010 | right i was just about to say |
| 13:56.34 | PaulFertser | Yes, that RE work was awesome, really impressive. |
| 13:57.45 | XDS2010 | Paul im going to give marvel a call and see if they have anything in the works |
| 13:58.02 | XDS2010 | If anyone is going to shake things up its going to be them |
| 14:00.23 | PaulFertser | XDS2010: Marvel? How are they related? I know the wifi module in gta04 is marvel-based, but that's about it. BTW, if you're into "open source", you might want to take a look at ath9k_htc usb wifi cards, the firmware is fully free software now. |
| 14:03.53 | XDS2010 | graphics |
| 14:05.26 | XDS2010 | The nexus one's 3d graphics driver (s1) is now open |
| 14:05.44 | XDS2010 | Parts of the snapdragon 1 have been opened as well |
| 14:09.38 | PaulFertser | I think it's PowerVR GPU that's integrated in OMAPs. |
| 14:11.04 | PaulFertser | Nexus's adreno was not open by the QCA but it's being RE'd in freedreno project afaict. |
| 14:11.36 | PaulFertser | Lima is the project for reversing Mali cores. |
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