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| 04:43.31 | rvs1st | hi any gta02 users? with neopwn OS installed? |
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| 08:25.22 | fursund_ | Hello! |
| 08:25.38 | fursund_ | I was hoping someone here could help me out with my freerunner |
| 08:27.16 | fursund_ | For some reason I seem unable to get it into NAND boot mode... I can only boot it to NOR. I have a completely depleted battery, which won't charge so that might be the problem? |
| 08:30.22 | fursund_ | just to be completely sure: If I want to boot into NAND I should just press the power button, right? |
| 08:31.37 | fursund_ | I believe the phone is a gta02v6 |
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| 09:02.07 | radekp | fursund_: hi |
| 09:02.16 | radekp | fursund_: yup, just power for NAND boot |
| 09:02.47 | radekp | fursund_: IIRC if you are in the NOR bootmenu the battery slowly charges - i am not 100% sure |
| 09:04.38 | fursund_ | radekp: Thanks! I have no problem flashing something like SHR. But the phone doesn't charge even when completely booted |
| 09:05.13 | radekp | fursund_: with original openmoko battery? |
| 09:05.37 | fursund_ | radekp: yes |
| 09:06.03 | fursund_ | radekp: I haven't used it in a looooong time :) |
| 09:06.16 | fursund_ | radekp: so maybe it died or something :) |
| 09:06.32 | radekp | fursund_: you can check what sysfs tells - there are some useful numbers in /sys/class/power/battery |
| 09:06.56 | fursund_ | radekp: cool thanks |
| 09:06.58 | radekp | fursund_: btw SSH is working? |
| 09:07.13 | fursund_ | radekp: haven't checked |
| 09:07.25 | radekp | it can be bad cable |
| 09:07.27 | fursund_ | radekp: don't have a working system flashed right now |
| 09:07.35 | fursund_ | radekp: but tty is working |
| 09:07.56 | fursund_ | radekp: and I tried charging from the wall charger |
| 09:08.14 | fursund_ | radekp: and from regular usb to computer cable |
| 09:08.38 | radekp | hmm best is to flash some working rootfs and check then the sysfs |
| 09:09.06 | fursund_ | radekp: so if I wanted to boot to NAND boot menu (u-boot), could I do it from NOR boot? |
| 09:10.36 | radekp | fursund_: hmm IIRC NAND bootmenu was when holding POWER |
| 09:10.54 | radekp | fursund_: anyway i use qi as bootloader and i think other distros too |
| 09:11.09 | radekp | fursund_: and qi has no menu, it just boots the distro |
| 09:12.27 | fursund_ | radekp: yeah... my problem is that I want to install the android distro, but it seems it doesn't work when the phone doesn't want to reboot by itself |
| 09:14.53 | radekp | i havent tried android for long time, so cant help here much |
| 09:17.05 | fursund_ | radekp: I think the problem is somehow related to the battery, since when I install qi, and then press power (for up to 30 sec's) either nothing happens or I just get a very brief white screen blink |
| 09:20.31 | radekp | fursund_: how about installing some "normal" distro first |
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| 09:21.55 | radekp | fursund_: https://sourceforge.net/projects/qtmoko/files/GTA02/ |
| 09:22.49 | radekp | fursund_: this 100% working and it's matter of 10 minutes to flash it... then you can try android when you know that the HW works |
| 09:22.56 | fursund_ | radekp: right, did install shr yesterday, and it was no problem, though I could only boot it from NOR |
| 09:23.15 | fursund_ | radekp: ok will try again |
| 09:24.20 | radekp | fursund_: btw if you are using qi from android it will not work for other distros |
| 09:24.36 | radekp | fursund_: they made some incompatible changes there... |
| 09:24.42 | fursund_ | radekp: ok thanks |
| 09:25.10 | radekp | fursund_: qi-v47.udfu from the link is working good |
| 09:25.37 | fursund_ | radekp: yup, thanks |
| 09:27.45 | radekp | fursund_: np |
| 10:28.49 | fursund_ | radekp: 10 minutes.... more like an hour :) |
| 10:47.46 | radekp | fursund_: :) |
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| 11:02.38 | fursund_ | radekp: looks like it's exactly the same issue... when I can't boot to NAND boot loader then I can't load kernel bigger than 2 MB |
| 11:03.47 | radekp | fursund_: and qi does not work? |
| 11:04.14 | fursund_ | well I wouldn't know since I can't get to it |
| 11:05.26 | radekp | fursund_: hmm now i have no idea what you did ;-) |
| 11:05.53 | radekp | just bring up uboot from NOR and do: |
| 11:05.54 | radekp | dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D qi-v47.udfu |
| 11:05.58 | radekp | dfu-util -a kernel -R -D uImage.bin-2.6.34-qtmoko-v47 |
| 11:06.03 | radekp | dfu-util -a rootfs -R -D qtmoko-debian-gta02-v47.ubi |
| 11:06.11 | fursund_ | if I am not mistaken I can't get to the NAND bootloader from the NOR bootloader, right? |
| 11:06.12 | radekp | reboot and it should work |
| 11:06.45 | fursund_ | that's the thing I can't make it reboot or boot from "normal" power button press |
| 11:07.22 | fursund_ | yes I did all those flashing commands |
| 11:07.27 | radekp | fursund_: so you have all ^^^^ flashed? |
| 11:07.57 | radekp | fursund_: oki, just for sure - remove SD card if you have any... |
| 11:08.28 | radekp | fursund_: then just install battery short press POWER and it should come up |
| 11:09.08 | radekp | fursund_: qi will vibrate and blink led when it's started, then you have to wait some and it should boot |
| 11:10.21 | fursund_ | radekp: no worky.... qi doesn't come up |
| 11:11.14 | fursund_ | radekp: maybe my NAND is corrupt somehow? |
| 11:11.15 | radekp | fursund_: no vibra and no blink with AUX led? |
| 11:11.23 | fursund_ | radekp: nope |
| 11:11.43 | radekp | hmm interesting - i have never seen corrupted NAND... |
| 11:12.42 | fursund_ | radekp: but if I install a system with less than 2MB kernel I can boot from NOR |
| 11:12.55 | radekp | fursund_: maybe you can flash qi from that system |
| 11:12.56 | fursund_ | with no problems |
| 11:13.05 | radekp | fursund_: using nandwrite |
| 11:13.41 | fursund_ | radekp: how would that make a difference? |
| 11:14.26 | radekp | fursund_: you could see the output from nandwrite |
| 11:14.37 | radekp | fursund_: and you can check that NAND is working |
| 11:15.18 | fursund_ | radekp: is there a debian on freerunner system with less than 2MB kernel? |
| 11:15.52 | radekp | fursund_: https://sourceforge.net/projects/qtmoko/files/OldFiles/OldStable-GTA02-v26/ |
| 11:16.31 | radekp | fursund_: i havent tried flashing qi from command line, but it should be something like this: |
| 11:16.33 | radekp | flash_eraseall /dev/mtd1 |
| 11:16.47 | radekp | nandwrite -p /dev/mtd1 qi-v47.udfu |
| 11:18.03 | fursund_ | cool thanks! |
| 11:23.13 | fursund_ | radekp: sorry to be such a noob... but what would I do to flash that to the phone's NAND? |
| 11:28.10 | fursund_ | radekp: also it seems like the uImage in boot is 3 MB? |
| 11:29.15 | radekp | uImage-v26.bin is 1.9MB |
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| 11:30.19 | fursund_ | hmm ok... where would I download that from? |
| 11:30.34 | radekp | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:30.56 | radekp | seems be looping |
| 11:33.19 | fursund_ | oddness I can see that the link you are pointing to has this written: "Totals: 3 Items" but there are no links |
| 11:33.33 | fursund_ | could you give me more direct links to the files? |
| 11:34.22 | radekp | hmm maybe there is some bug in sourceforge |
| 11:34.31 | fursund_ | could be |
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| 11:35.07 | radekp | i can try to move the files somewhere |
| 11:35.26 | fursund_ | thanks! |
| 11:37.10 | radekp | fursund_: http://qtmoko.sourceforge.net/download/v26/ |
| 11:37.15 | radekp | i hope this one will work |
| 11:38.14 | fursund_ | radekp: yep! seems to be downloading just fine! thanks! |
| 11:39.34 | radekp | fursund_: nice :) |
| 11:43.26 | radekp | hmm now https://sourceforge.net/projects/qtmoko/files/OldFiles/OldStable-GTA02-v26/ works too |
| 11:43.47 | radekp | probably there were too many files and sourceforge refused to mirror them |
| 11:46.17 | fursund_ | radekp: hmm odd |
| 11:46.35 | fursund_ | radekp: now the waiting game starts again... |
| 11:46.38 | fursund_ | radekp: :) |
| 11:46.44 | radekp | fursund_: :) |
| 11:54.15 | rvs1st | anyone neopwn? |
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| 13:32.35 | fursund_ | radekp: yay it boots :) |
| 13:32.41 | radekp | fursund_: :) |
| 13:33.21 | radekp | fursund_: maybe you could try flash qi now... |
| 13:34.08 | fursund_ | radekp: I think I´ll start with some battery analysis :) |
| 13:34.49 | radekp | ahh oki, sure |
| 13:58.11 | fursund_ | radekp: how long should I expect to wait before I have a usable env? I went through some small setup phase, but since then it has been all black screen and some blinking cursor once in a while |
| 13:58.48 | radekp | fursund_: it should be up in like 50s |
| 13:59.10 | fursund_ | hmmm damn |
| 13:59.38 | radekp | you saw no gui at all? |
| 13:59.42 | fursund_ | radekp: maybe the fact that I didn't have SD card on first run? |
| 13:59.52 | fursund_ | yes a small setup gui |
| 14:00.02 | fursund_ | and then black screen |
| 14:00.20 | radekp | ahh oki, it's quite likely that your battery is too discharged to power on modem |
| 14:00.39 | radekp | in this case it wont proceed and end up in black screen |
| 14:01.05 | fursund_ | hmmm ok... anything I can do? |
| 14:01.12 | radekp | charge it :) |
| 14:01.17 | radekp | do you have it on usb cable? |
| 14:01.19 | fursund_ | well I can |
| 14:01.23 | fursund_ | well I can't |
| 14:01.29 | fursund_ | yes |
| 14:01.34 | fursund_ | wall charger |
| 14:02.02 | radekp | oki, so try restart (you can press POWER button for 8s to force power it off) |
| 14:02.13 | radekp | maybe the battery is now better charged |
| 14:02.36 | radekp | you can also try to SSH to the phone to check |
| 14:02.50 | fursund_ | so can I somehow access the device and turn off the modem check? |
| 14:03.14 | fursund_ | can I do that via USB? |
| 14:04.24 | fursund_ | when I press power I just get the small click sound from the speaker, and that's it |
| 14:35.42 | radekp | fursund_: i have to go home, sorry :( |
| 14:36.08 | fursund_ | radekp: sure thing! But thanks for all the help! |
| 14:36.23 | radekp | fursund_: maybe you can find the way around in the wiki e.g. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking |
| 14:36.32 | radekp | fursund_: see you |
| 14:36.43 | fursund_ | radekp: thanks! I'll figure it out |
| 14:38.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | battery in locker for a year, discharged -> dead. Please dispose properly (means disassemble and swap the cell for one form Nokia battery). See: |
| 14:38.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~battery-faq |
| 14:38.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~batteryfaq |
| 14:38.30 | apt | methinks batteryfaq is http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers |
| 14:40.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | you may try to boot with Nokia battery, it's compatible for booting (though not exactly for charging, see ^^^) |
| 14:43.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers#Wrong_storage |
| 14:44.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers#Do_other_BL-5.2F6C_compatible_batteries_fit.3F |
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| 14:53.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers#I_have_several_compatible_batteries._What_are_the_storage_requirements_for_them.3F |
| 14:54.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | fursund_: ^^^ |
| 14:55.00 | fursund_ | DocScrutinizer05: thanks and sucks :) |
| 14:55.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | yw |
| 14:55.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | BL-5C are like 6 bucks, on second hand and im/ex stores |
| 14:56.07 | fursund_ | thanks |
| 14:57.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | if your GTA02-bat actually has dead cell, you want to recycle the coulomb-counter circuit: disassemble carefully and swap cell with one from a Nokia BL-5/6C |
| 14:58.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you feel uncomforatble with soldering and general hw-meddling, visit a battery recycling store, hand them the gta02-battery and tell them it's basically compatible with Nokia BL-5C and you like a new cell in that battery |
| 14:59.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | explain to them this battery has special circuitry on 3rd pin, so they mustn't swap the circuit with that of Nokia battery |
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| 15:01.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | never solder directly on body of LiIon cells, always use the attached wires to do the cutting and soldering on them |
| 15:02.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, and there's that 'awesome script" ;-D |
| 15:03.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | check status of your gta02-battery with http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/battery/bq27k-detail if you actually got some shell up and running on gta02 |
| 15:03.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | (that's the smart coulomb counter you'll miss on Nokia replacements) |
| 15:05.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | a more recent version can be found at http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/bq27k-detail2 |
| 15:06.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys bq27 |
| 15:06.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~listvalues bq27 |
| 15:06.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~bq27k-detail is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/bq27k-detail2 |
| 15:06.41 | apt | DocScrutinizer05: okay |
| 15:07.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~bq27200 is <reply>see bq27k-detail |
| 15:07.27 | apt | DocScrutinizer05: okay |
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