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11:46.41Thordoes anyone here know where I can find a compiled kernel (which doesn't panic) for my neo freerunner ?
11:47.40PaulFertserThor: shr's 2.6.39 works for me
11:48.04ThorI'll try that particular one then.
11:49.13ThorPaulFertser: http://build.shr-project.org/#!/shr-kernels/om-gta02/kernel-39-without-pers-patchset/
11:49.17ThorPaulFertser: this one ?
11:50.40PaulFertserThor: http://build.shr-project.org/shr-core/images/om-gta02/uImage-2.6.39-r12-om-gta02-20120525082154.bin + http://build.shr-project.org/shr-core/images/om-gta02/modules-2.6.39.4-r12-om-gta02.tgz
11:51.17Thorhmm
11:51.21ThorOkay thanks.
11:51.34ThorI'll try with neotool and if it doesn't work, I'll do it in CLI.
11:52.49PaulFertserThor: i'm using 10MHz SD clock frequency with that.
11:53.19ThorOkay
11:53.40ThorI don't use a SD card, so for now I won't need that :)
11:57.44ThorPaulFertser: given I put the kernel from the link you provided, how should I add the kernel modules ?
11:58.50PaulFertserThor: there's no easy way to put them to NAND unless you boot from uSD or flash a matching rootfs.
11:59.36Thorokay
12:00.42ThorBut shouldn't a starting kernel write a few lines while booting ?
12:00.52PaulFertserThor: only one
12:00.53Thor'cause I only get a (backlit) black screen right now.
12:01.15PaulFertserThor: what's your bootloader?
12:01.32ThorThat might be a good starting point indeed.
12:01.50ThorI figured out that the bootloader was written in ROM and wasn't replacable
12:01.58PaulFertserThor: on gta02 it's not.
12:02.03Thoroh okay.
12:02.09PaulFertserActually gta02 has two bootloaders.
12:02.16ThorI knew only that
12:02.23PaulFertserOne in NOR memory and it shouldn't be used for booting at all.
12:02.24ThorBut I thought that both were written on ROM
12:02.28PaulFertserThe other you can replace.
12:02.30Thorand I was wondering whhy.
12:02.32Thorwhy*
12:02.36PaulFertserThor: no, NOR is reflashable too.
12:02.59ThorSo you can flash BOTH of your bootloaders ?
12:03.16PaulFertserSure, but you shouldn't touch the NOR one to have it as a fallback.
12:03.26Thoryep indeed
12:03.35Thoror I could brick my freerunner
12:03.37PaulFertserAlso, flashing NOR requires either the openmoko debugboard or soldering a wire to two testpoints.
12:03.47Thorthat makes sense.
12:04.13Thorso NOR is an EEPROM ?
12:04.32PaulFertserThor: of course, both NOR and NAND are different types of EEPROM.
12:04.54Thoryep okay
12:05.06Thorbut back to my problem
12:05.15ThorI think I'll bypass the neotool
12:05.17PaulFertserThor: what bootloader are you using?
12:05.54Thorah no, my bad, it allows to flash the booloader too
12:06.11Thorso I should have read all options instead of trying to flash the kernel again and again.
12:06.18ThorI've not flashed the bootloader
12:06.27ThorSo I don't really know what bootloader I'm using.
12:07.41PaulFertserThor: then flash Qi from the same link as was the kernel.
12:08.43Thorokay
12:12.21ThorI've tried to boot with the NOR bootloader and I get the same result
12:12.25Thorblack backlit screen
12:13.07ThorWell it was the bootloader
12:13.23Thorand I don't know why the NOR bootloader fails, but it fails.
12:13.55PaulFertserThor: nor bootloader shouldn't be used for booting at all :)
12:14.06PaulFertserThor: please flash Qi, and boot it holding the power button down.
12:14.08ThorI used it to debug
12:14.14PaulFertserThor: that way you'll see the full kernel output.
12:14.18Thoryep
12:14.20ThorI've done that.
12:14.22ThorIt works.
12:14.32Thorit says "Please wait, booting..."
12:14.37ThorSo, I wait.
12:14.58PaulFertserThor: do you mean the kernel is fully booted and that's the userspace printing?
12:14.59Thorit takes a lot of time to boot...
12:15.14Thorah
12:15.19Thorwell
12:15.27ThorI had one line of dmesg
12:15.44Thorthen, the splash
12:15.55Thorand after one minute or so
12:16.10ThorI got a black backlit screen for a few seconds
12:16.29Thorthen a graphical process unit artefact
12:16.47Thorand now it seems I access the user space!
12:16.49Thor:D
12:16.50PaulFertserThor: so the kernel boots allright
12:16.55Thoryes!
12:17.32PaulFertserWhat was the culprit?
12:17.32ThorHmm
12:17.40Thorthe bootloader I guess
12:17.47Thorsince it was a bootloader installed back in 2008
12:17.58PaulFertser:D
12:18.14ThorBut the touchscreen isn't responsive =/
12:18.26Thoron a smartphone, this is quite limiting
12:18.30Thoror it lags, dunno.
12:18.41Thorbut the rest of the phone works
12:18.49ThorI got two "Incomming message"
12:18.55Thor:)
12:24.50ThorPaulFertser: thanks for having pointed out the bootloader thing
12:25.03ThorPaulFertser: I didn't think about that one, as I said
12:25.09Thorand it solved all :)
12:25.14ThorI have a neat phone now!
12:25.37PaulFertserThor: lucky you, welcome :)
12:25.46Thor;)
12:25.55Thorwhat, you don't have a freeruner yourself ?
12:26.50PaulFertserThor: i do but i do not enjoy using it.
12:26.56PaulFertserSometimes
12:27.00Thorwhy so ?
12:28.28PaulFertserThor: i somewhat miss stability, and also hardware keyboard...
12:28.48Thorso you use a blackberry ?
12:29.05PaulFertserThor: no, gta02 is my only cellphone for probably about 3 years already.
12:29.24ThorSo, you don't use a mobile phone at all ?
12:29.41PaulFertserThor: i use my gta02
12:29.42PaulFertserDaily
12:30.27ThorAh okay :)
12:30.36Thorbut yet you don't enjoy it...
12:32.59ThorPaulFertser: do you know the default IP of the latest SHR release ?
12:33.14Thoris it still 192.168.0.202 ?
12:33.16PaulFertserThor: hm... that changed from what it was before.
12:33.35Thor'cause I can't reach my phone using that IP...
12:33.54PaulFertserThor: indeed. The current SHR manual should have it listed.
12:34.01Thorokay
12:37.30ThorPaulFertser: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manuals/SHR says 192.168.0.202
12:37.44Thorbut "ip a s" on the freerunner says 192.168.2.7
12:38.06Thorsorry
12:38.10Thor192.168.7.2
12:38.24PaulFertserThor: yep, that manual is wrong. Newer is at shr-project.org
12:39.26ThorI didn't find it...
12:39.27Thorbut well
12:39.56Thormaybe it's because when I go to shr-project, I ALWAYS go to build.shr-project.org first...
12:42.55Thorwow, it's REALLY difficult to type ^D to get out of the phone terminal :D
12:43.05Thorwith the tiny onscreen keyboard
12:43.13ThorI did ^F
12:43.20Thorthen ^R
12:43.21PaulFertserThor: i use Emacs only for the telephony on my FR.
12:43.29Thor:)
12:43.30PaulFertserThor: typing with a fingernail.
12:43.35Thoryep
12:44.13ThorThey should have included a touch screen pen with the phone
12:44.14Thor:P
12:55.46ThorPaulFertser: I can't add any contacts...
12:55.51ThorPaulFertser: any idea why ?
12:58.03PaulFertserThor: heh, no
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12:59.15Thortoo bad.
12:59.30Thorwell I'll use the terminal to note the phone numbers then.
12:59.33PaulFertserI'm not using SHR, using Debian with self-compiled FSO.
13:00.11Thoroh okay :)
13:00.18Thorthat the next step, to me.
13:00.33ThorBut I haven't been able to enjoy the phone with the SHR distribution for now
13:00.51Thorso I think I'll use that one for a lil while ;)
13:01.10PaulFertser:)
13:07.58ThorPaulFertser: so, the drivers you gave me, I just unpack the tgz in my / and reboot the phone ?
13:08.02Thorthat's all ?
13:09.07PaulFertserThor: yes, but if you're using the rootfs from that location, there's no need.
13:11.12Thor?
13:11.33ThorI have downloaded the .tgz on my computer
13:11.43ThorI've set up a usb network to ssh into the fr
13:11.58ThorI've scp the files in the /home/root folder on the fr
13:12.11Thorand now I'll move these files into /lib on the fr
13:12.18Thorthat's right, isn't it ?
13:12.37PaulFertserThor: what rootfs have you flashed?
13:13.08Thorby rootfs, you mean the version of the SHR build, or the type of the memory I've installed it on ?
13:14.47PaulFertserThor: the version
13:15.03PaulFertserThor: if you downloaded it from the same place as the kernel, it already has all the modules.
13:15.32Thorah
13:16.01Thorwell, when I "ls /lib", I don't see a firmware directory
13:16.09Thorso, I guess they aren't there.
13:16.36ThorI installed this : shr-image-om-gta02-20120321230641.rootfs.ubi
13:18.46PaulFertserThor: FR doesn't need firmware
13:19.01PaulFertserIf you do not connect some additionals devices via usb.
13:29.10Thorwell
13:29.16ThorI plan to do some hardware hacking
13:29.24Thorso I'll let that in firmware
13:29.28Thorcan't be harmful anyway
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16:19.56ndnihilholy crap
16:20.01ndnihilpeople still use these things!
16:20.04ndnihil:)
16:20.59PaulFertserWe really do
16:21.09ndnihilheheh
16:21.12PaulFertserThere's still no viable alternative
16:21.22ndnihilsadly true
16:22.06ndnihilwhat's the state of dists for them these days?
16:22.20ndnihilI've been wanting to stick debian on mine
16:22.25ndnihilbut I hate to ruin the uptime
16:22.36ndnihilancient SHR
16:22.45ndnihilone of the nightly builds
16:22.52ndnihil<PROTECTED>
16:25.26PaulFertserOh my, so cool
16:25.36PaulFertserImpressive, really
16:25.44PaulFertserI guess you do not use it much though ;)
16:26.20ndnihilI was using it in the car for a while
16:26.26ndnihilhad it pretending it was a cd changer
16:26.33ndnihilinterfaced to the factory head unit for control
16:26.58ndnihilhaven't had it in the car in a couple years though
16:29.18ndnihilBranch: shr/import
16:29.21ndnihilBuild Host: opmbuild
16:29.21ndnihilTime Stamp: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 13:40:04 +0200
16:29.43PaulFertserGreat
16:30.26ndnihilwhat's the current favorite?
16:30.44PaulFertserMost users seem to be happy with QtMoko
16:31.39ndnihildid they ever get phone functions working with straight debian?
16:31.53ndnihilI'd be sticking it back in the car rather than using it as a phone
16:32.05ndnihilbut I'd like to be able to talk to the car via the cellular network
16:32.08ndnihilI don't need a UI
16:32.13PaulFertserndnihil: actually i'm using straight debian
16:32.20PaulFertserndnihil: with fso compiled myself.
16:32.23PaulFertserSo, sort of.
16:34.04ndnihilI think debian would give me better options for development
16:34.12ndnihilthat's why I pulled it out of the car in the first place
16:34.24ndnihilwanted to implement some obd2 stuff
16:34.53ndnihiland re-purpose the display I originally did for a boost gauge
16:36.23ndnihilhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwH2AzH8nMU
16:36.38ndnihilI've since replaced that with a dial type boost/vac gauge
16:38.41PaulFertserndnihil: what song was that? :)
16:39.02ndnihilhrm, good question
16:39.18ndnihillove gun I think was the name?
16:39.31ndnihilold blues guy
16:39.35ndnihilcan't remember his name
16:39.41ndnihiltaj mahal maybe
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16:40.55PaulFertser:)
16:43.42ndnihildefinitely taj
16:43.48ndnihilnarrowing down song title now
16:46.12ndnihilif you like blues, definitely check out taj mahal
16:46.15ndnihilhe's old school
16:54.47ndnihilI can't for the life of me find the name of that song
16:55.50ndnihilDOH
16:55.52ndnihilthat's not taj
16:55.56ndnihilthat's albert king
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16:55.59ndnihil"the hunter"
16:56.55ndnihilhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHxsjJ3BdLQ
16:57.24ndnihilalbert king is another old school blues great
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16:59.24ndnihilonly had to search through a few terabytes of music :)
17:02.46ndnihilhrm, I wonder if debian+FSO would be possible for the droid1
17:02.50ndnihilit has an open bootloader
17:02.55ndnihilunlike my droid4
17:03.34ndnihilbut, it has no (reasonably attainable) USB host mode
17:03.56ndnihilwhich would make hooking up the OBDII cable and flash drives a bitch
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17:06.40ndnihillooks like FSO stopped maintaining a debian package?
17:20.20ndnihiloh
17:20.22ndnihilderp
17:20.27ndnihilit's mainstream debian now
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