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| 06:52.29 | crazy_pete | i am interested in but ignorant of open moko, it is both a software stack AND a hardware platform iiuc? |
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| 06:55.51 | aloniv | yes |
| 06:56.40 | aloniv | Openmoko (GNU/)Linux is a set of Operating sytems developed for the Openmoko phone. |
| 06:56.54 | crazy_pete | and neofreerunner is the current phone which is actually an open source design as well? (I.e. i can download a schematic and try to solder on myself) |
| 06:57.09 | aloniv | The hardware is mostly open and thus can be expanded... |
| 06:58.00 | crazy_pete | "mostly" open? (lol in software that has proven to be a death phrase) ;-) |
| 06:58.02 | aloniv | This is how the new phone from golden delicious came to life... |
| 06:58.17 | crazy_pete | what is that new phone please aloniv ? |
| 06:58.21 | aloniv | I said hardware not software :) |
| 06:58.32 | aloniv | GTA04 |
| 06:59.01 | crazy_pete | the GTA04 ( I saw that on the open moko website ,wasn't sure what it was) is from "golden delicious" ? |
| 06:59.12 | aloniv | yes |
| 06:59.35 | aloniv | it uses some parts from neo freerunner like screen. |
| 07:00.07 | crazy_pete | is it open too, can someone make legal clones of it ? |
| 07:00.32 | aloniv | less than gta02 but still mostly open... |
| 07:00.48 | aloniv | I think only wireless requires non-free firmware. |
| 07:01.01 | crazy_pete | we need a completely open phone, but wireless firmware is not a problem |
| 07:01.06 | crazy_pete | (that only counts for the USA) |
| 07:01.27 | crazy_pete | well i am sure there are other countries with differing regulations, pardon me for being so quick |
| 07:01.30 | crazy_pete | please |
| 07:02.03 | aloniv | the freerunner doesn't require any firmware for wireless though. |
| 07:02.23 | aloniv | Although the chip itself isn;t documented so it is essentially "firmware". |
| 07:02.35 | crazy_pete | what "chip" ? |
| 07:02.53 | aloniv | The atheros wireless chip in the neo freerunner. |
| 07:03.20 | crazy_pete | ah right |
| 07:04.13 | aloniv | The neo freerunner doesn't run any proprietary software on cpu, gta04 loads non free firmware. |
| 07:04.16 | crazy_pete | i was listening to a lady who works with the health ministry in nicaragua tonight and she was talking about how cheaper and more open source cell phones are the limiting factor in developing country health care |
| 07:04.40 | crazy_pete | and she is not the first dev country health care worker who has told me that |
| 07:04.50 | aloniv | What is the connection? |
| 07:06.05 | aloniv | Anyway the problem that Openmoko addresses is spying via modem (e.g. modem on otherphones can remotely access GPS and microphone...) |
| 07:06.06 | crazy_pete | you mean why is the lack of cell phones etc a limit in health care ? |
| 07:06.13 | aloniv | yes... |
| 07:07.53 | aloniv | phones are getting cheaper though, at least mid range ones... |
| 07:07.55 | crazy_pete | 1) cell phones can communicate all sorts of data, for example a midwife being able to send a live video feed of a difficult rural birth to a doctor in a large city hospital MIGHT save a young mother's life |
| 07:08.14 | crazy_pete | yes... |
| 07:08.27 | crazy_pete | but it seems the closed source problem always rears its head |
| 07:08.57 | crazy_pete | aren't most cell phones pretty proprietary in their devel environments? |
| 07:09.03 | aloniv | i'm pretty sure live video is supported on proprietary phones as well... |
| 07:09.15 | crazy_pete | well of course it is ;-) i wasn't trolling honestly |
| 07:09.24 | crazy_pete | i may look dumb but ... |
| 07:09.45 | crazy_pete | i don't know much about cell phones tbh, aloniv i don't even use them |
| 07:10.01 | crazy_pete | i am not a "call me on the phone" kind of guy |
| 07:10.08 | aloniv | the problem is phone carriers charge a lot for internet bandwidth... |
| 07:10.35 | crazy_pete | but so many health care workers have told me about these cell phones being such a boon in rural tropical villages |
| 07:11.06 | aloniv | I think in parts of the world people use phones and not computers. |
| 07:11.07 | crazy_pete | the real cost of bandwidth is the energy and the health costs associated with the radio waves |
| 07:11.16 | crazy_pete | isn't it ? |
| 07:11.37 | aloniv | yes but as long as there is no competition it is overpriced. |
| 07:11.43 | aloniv | like the cost of sms messages... |
| 07:12.26 | crazy_pete | so if we subsidise the energy costs (remember this is tropical) |
| 07:12.38 | crazy_pete | then just the available energy becomes the problem |
| 07:12.56 | crazy_pete | makes me wonder |
| 07:13.47 | crazy_pete | it still seems impractical to beam a signal out of every village |
| 07:14.37 | aloniv | the problem with all the new technology is the old technology fills the house. |
| 07:15.03 | aloniv | e.g. just gave a friend a vcr and dvd as they aren't used... |
| 07:15.21 | aloniv | will probably give also an old camera... |
| 07:18.49 | aloniv | recording shows from tv seems too much effort, especially since videotapes require effort to organise as opposed to digital files and hard drives... |
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| 07:38.44 | crazy_pete | fils the house? |
| 07:38.52 | crazy_pete | oh i cee |
| 07:53.43 | crazy_pete | peace out |
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