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05:16.35PaulFertsermick_laptop: QtMoko is rather popular too.
05:17.26PaulFertsermick_laptop: are you aware that FR lacks hardware FP and is thus incompatible with quite some amount of code in SIP clients?
05:18.09PaulFertsermick_laptop: you might have luck after properly configuring linphone and disabling power-saving for the wifi card (with wmiconfig) but i'm not aware of anybody actively using this combination.
05:25.01mick_laptopthanks for that info PaulFertser
05:25.33mick_laptopPaulFertser: my current problem w/ linphone is that the devs are impossible to get ahold of
05:25.52mick_laptopthe mailinglist is broken
05:25.55PaulFertsermick_laptop: and you'll want some harsh settings to get it to work almost half-duplex to avoid echo.
05:26.23mick_laptopI remember having some pretty bad echo before, heh
05:26.48PaulFertsermick_laptop: and i suggest to avoid android, it'be silly to use such an inferiour OS on basically the only device that can really run something decent.
05:28.07PaulFertserEcho is also affected by the screws, without them there's less echo. But you still need to enable some counter-measures and probably linphone's echo cancelling is FP-based so can't be done realtime on the fpuless slow FR's cpu, so you'll have to resort to automatic half-duplex.
05:28.13mick_laptopthe other thing w/ linphone is their iphone support (I also tried this)... they support IOS v3 according to their release notes but the binary from the app store store requires 4.3
05:28.56mick_laptopPaulFertser: ok, will avoid it :)
05:29.43PaulFertsermick_laptop: please do not forget to report your VoIP experience on the community mailing list after you try :)
05:30.24mick_laptopalso, what does FP stand for?
05:30.54mick_laptopI get FR == FreeRunner
05:31.11PaulFertserBut the key would be 1. disable wifi power-saving 2. set linphone to use only integer-based codecs 3. watch cpu utilisation and find the settings that allow both echo cancelling/suppression and low cpu consumption.
05:31.17PaulFertsermick_laptop: floating point
05:31.26mick_laptopah ok
05:31.26mick_laptopheh
05:31.43mick_laptopwell, #1 would be to upgrade or reinstall my phone
05:31.59mick_laptopsince it is really old at this point
05:32.59PaulFertserHeh
05:33.05PaulFertserI'm running plain Debian btw.
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05:42.42mick_laptopPaulFertser: this is funny that I forgot everything since 2008
05:43.28mick_laptopI was able to setup SHR, no problems... now I'm like "WTH did I do to get this thing working... did I use minicom or what?!"
05:44.12mick_laptopso easy to forget things :(
05:49.13mick_laptophmm, I held down AUX and selected "Set console to USB" and it gets me from UBoot to NOR
05:50.05PaulFertsermick_laptop: but you shouldn't use NOR u-boot to normally boot the device, i suggest you use it only for DFU flashing.
05:51.02mick_laptopwell, I want to flash it
05:51.17mick_laptophow else would I get qtmoko on there?
05:51.34mick_laptopdon't i need to upgrade uboot first?
05:51.43PaulFertsermick_laptop: yep, flashing to nand would work fine with nor u-boot.
05:51.45mick_laptopsince this is circa2008 software on here
05:51.54mick_laptop[35340.118096] usb 3-1: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3
05:51.57mick_laptop[35340.118106] usb 3-1: Product: Neo1973 Bootloader U-Boot 1.3.2-moko12
05:51.57PaulFertsermick_laptop: i'm using Qi on nand, should work fine for qtmoko
05:52.16mick_laptoplooks up Qi
05:52.34PaulFertsermick_laptop: and you do not need to upgrade the NOR u-boot.
05:53.03mick_laptopah ok
05:53.13mick_laptopdo I need a microSD card?
05:53.45mick_laptopor is it possible to do usb->moko upgrade?
05:54.11mick_laptopor do I need to put it on an SD card, then boot from SD to upgrade?
05:54.37PaulFertsermick_laptop: no, i think you can simply flash it, no need for the card unless you want to run it from card.
05:57.00mick_laptopok, so do I need to pull this: http://sourceforge.net/projects/qtmoko/files/qtmoko-debian-gta02-v39.ubi/download ?
05:57.45mick_laptopah docs say I should install qi
05:58.35mick_laptopreally? no md5/sha sums? *sigh*
05:58.46mick_laptopok, then I'll just cross my fingers
06:00.25PaulFertser:(
06:00.35PaulFertserI think i've reported lack of hashes once.
06:01.05PaulFertsermick_laptop: you can use u-boot but you're then expected to understand enough of its manual and linux booting practicies.
06:02.23mick_laptopbesides runlevels, what else is there to understand :P
06:02.51mick_laptopand besides, if I can figure out lilo/grub... this shouldn't be too hard
06:03.43PaulFertserHeh, runlevels are irrelevant.
06:04.03PaulFertserYou need to be able to understand how to tell u-boot to fetch a kernel from nand and to start it passing proper bootargs.
06:04.42PaulFertserU-boot's default command used to load only first 2M of the kernel which might be not enough if yours is bigger.
06:05.34mick_laptopweird
06:05.36mick_laptopFound Runtime: [0x03f0:0x181d] devnum=3, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=0, name="UNDEFINED"
06:05.39mick_laptopFound Runtime: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=7, cfg=0, intf=2, alt=0, name="USB Device Firmware Upgrade"
06:05.50mick_laptopthat is from # dfu-util --list
06:07.32PaulFertserProbably you have another dfu device.
06:08.21mick_laptophttp://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=AabsFHzr
06:08.35mick_laptopthis is probably where I screwed up, I did it 2x
06:08.56mick_laptopI only have one device plugged in
06:09.13mick_laptop<PROTECTED>
06:11.33mick_laptopI guess this calls for a reboot
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06:13.50mick_laptophopes this works
06:14.33mick_laptopbrb
06:14.35mick_laptoprebooting
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06:19.42mick_laptopsigh
06:20.17mick_laptopPaulFertser: am I doing this right?
06:20.39mick_laptopbooting to usb mode, then running dfu-util
06:21.17mick_laptopClaiming USB DFU Runtime Interface...
06:21.17mick_laptopDetermining device status: state = dfuIDLE, status = 0
06:21.17mick_laptopWARNING: Runtime device already in DFU state ?!?
06:21.17mick_laptopNo such Alternate Setting: "kernel"
06:21.46mick_laptopI must be doing something very wrong here
06:24.00mick_laptophow do I get it to actually upgrade qi?
06:24.11mick_laptopFound Runtime: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=5, cfg=0, intf=2, alt=0, name="USB Device Firmware Upgrade" <--- i see it loaded
06:30.58PaulFertsermick_laptop: probably your dfu-util version is old/buggy.
06:33.24mick_laptopI added -d 0x1d50:0x5119  and it seems to at least copy over to the phone
06:33.40mick_laptopcrosses fingers
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06:36.49mick_laptopPaulFertser: I pulled dfu-util from debian's repo
06:37.14mick_laptopwhat version do you use?
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07:21.32PaulFertsermick_laptop: oh, i haven't used dfu-util since ages...
07:24.00mick_laptopk
07:24.30mick_laptoprebooting....
07:24.45mick_laptopI really hope this worked
07:25.03mick_laptopI guess not
07:25.11mick_laptopi'm stuck on the splash screen
07:26.21mick_laptopthis sucks
07:31.02mick_laptopcan't read kernel
07:31.14mick_laptopreloads kernel
07:31.52mick_laptopbad data CRC :(
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07:38.47mick_laptopPaulFertser: you in the US by any chance?
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07:39.05mick_laptopI'd like to  know if any US carriers allow the FR
07:39.54mick_laptopI remember asking in 2008 and one carrier say that only a certain set of "allowed phones" could access their network
07:41.20mick_laptopok, I see a few things here... for one, I'm still using Uboot
07:41.37mick_laptopanother is this crc check that is failing w/ the kernel
07:43.00mick_laptopanother thing, the wiki might be a bit dated
07:43.03mick_laptop# file uImage-GTA02-v39.bin
07:43.04mick_laptopuImage-GTA02-v39.bin: u-boot legacy uImage, Debian FreeRunner Kernel, Linux/ARM, OS Kernel Image (Not compressed), 2162556 bytes, Sat Feb  4 19:27:58 2012, Load Address: 0x30008000, Entry Point: 0x30008000, Header CRC: 0xCC474BA8, Data CRC: 0x072773E3
07:43.25mick_laptopso how do I know what to pass it w/ -d ?
07:43.46mick_laptopI was using: dfu-util -d 0x1d50:0x5119 -a kernel -R -D  uImage-GTA02-v39.bin
07:52.22PaulFertsermick_laptop: heh, no, in Ru
07:53.11mick_laptopshit, I think I bricked it
07:53.25PaulFertsermick_laptop: impossible
07:53.27mick_laptopkernel panic when I try to get into NAND
07:53.36PaulFertsermick_laptop: nor u-boot is impossible to brick.
07:53.40PaulFertsermick_laptop: sorry, gtg, ttyl
07:54.03mick_laptopI hope I will ttyl :)
07:54.05mick_laptopbye
07:55.39mick_laptopheh, it came back
07:56.06mick_laptopstill not working, but better than being bricked
08:07.28radekpmick_laptop: sorry, havent followed much, need some help?
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15:01.56mick_laptopradekp: if only I'd have seen your message before going to bed
15:01.57mick_laptop:)
15:02.15mick_laptopand ya, I need help
15:02.50mick_laptopI have a kernel panic
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15:07.49mick_laptopthis is what I've done (more or less)
15:07.51mick_laptophttp://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=DiHw7kh1
15:07.59mick_laptopI get a kernel panic
15:09.36mick_laptopI had my openmoko running 2008ish version of SHR and I wanted to flash it w/ Qi and QTMoko
15:09.43mick_laptopradekp: ^^^^
15:10.09mick_laptopnow AUX just flashes red and I see a kernel panic
15:15.30PaulFertsermick_laptop: have you flashed only the kernel or rootfs too?
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15:19.16mick_laptopboth
15:19.21mick_laptophi PaulFertser :)
15:19.57PaulFertsermick_laptop: hi again
15:20.03mick_laptopfrom the pastebin: dfu-util -d 0x1d50:0x5119  -a rootfs -R -D qtmoko-debian-gta02-v39.ubi
15:20.29PaulFertsermick_laptop: have you flashed the special "ubi" qi version?
15:20.35PaulFertserI'm afraid not
15:21.16mick_laptophmm
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15:21.27mick_laptopI flashed qi twice, different images
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15:21.42PaulFertsermick_laptop: http://sourceforge.net/projects/qtmoko/files/qi-v39.udfu/download
15:22.00mick_laptopyup got that one too
15:22.07PaulFertserBut you should flash it :)
15:22.09mick_laptopafter that didn't work, I tried the other
15:23.08PaulFertserCan you describe in details how exactly it doesn't work?
15:23.29mick_laptopwell at this point my device isn't turning on
15:23.33PaulFertserAlso you can try to press and hold the power button and that should make the kernel output its log to the console.
15:23.52PaulFertsermick_laptop: that would suggest your battery is discharged :)
15:24.28mick_laptoppower supply is connected to the wall
15:24.37mick_laptopand I can't press power to start it
15:24.56PaulFertsermick_laptop: it can't be started from the wallcharger, unfortunately.
15:25.06mick_laptopwat
15:25.21mick_laptopok, what should I do? :)
15:25.29PaulFertsermick_laptop: seach http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Battery for flat battery
15:25.59mick_laptopodd thing is that it has been connected to the usb on my computer the whole time
15:26.04PaulFertserYou should be able to get to NOR u-boot and then you should stay there for long enough for the battery to charge.
15:26.05mick_laptopso why would it be flat?
15:26.25PaulFertserconnected doesn't mean charging, that's a special logic.
15:28.13mick_laptophttp://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Battery#More_tricks
15:28.18mick_laptopworks :)
15:28.40mick_laptopok, so I'm in the NOR menu
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15:31.11mick_laptopso now I run:
15:31.14mick_laptop# dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D qi-v39.udfu
15:31.34mick_laptopOpening USB Device 0x0000:0x0000...
15:31.34mick_laptopClaiming USB DFU Runtime Interface...
15:31.34mick_laptopDetermining device status: state = dfuIDLE, status = 0
15:31.34mick_laptopWARNING: Runtime device already in DFU state ?!?
15:31.34mick_laptopNo such Alternate Setting: "u-boot"
15:31.45mick_laptopand I get a prompt
15:31.52mick_laptopshould I just reboot now?
15:32.29mick_laptopI get a kernel panic now
15:33.15mick_laptopand when I boot to NOR I get uboot
15:33.24mick_laptopMay 9, 2008
15:33.41mick_laptopsame as before
15:34.49mick_laptopso when I set it to usb and do: "# dfu-util -d 0x1d50:0x5119 -a u-boot -R -D qi-v39.udfu"
15:35.06mick_laptopit says: "No DFU capable USB device found"
15:36.02mick_laptopPaulFertser: ideas?
15:37.02mick_laptopwill it charge at the NOR boot menu?
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15:37.32mick_laptopor at the kernel panic?
15:48.18PaulFertsermick_laptop: it should charge at the nor boot menu
15:48.23PaulFertserafair
15:54.20mick_laptopas far as getting Qi to run, what would you recommend
15:56.35PaulFertsermick_laptop: i recommend you read http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qi to understand what might and what should happen when you are trying to boot with Qi
15:56.38PaulFertser:)
15:57.53mick_laptopI thought it replaces uboot?
15:58.42PaulFertsermick_laptop: but not the nor u-boot.
15:58.58mick_laptopoh  well fuck
16:00.21PaulFertsermick_laptop: i think this http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_the_Neo_FreeRunner_via_U-Boot has some reasonable explanation
16:00.59PaulFertsermick_laptop: Qi is used instead of u-boot in nand.
16:01.22mick_laptopok, what should my next step be?
16:01.47mick_laptopI've tried to get kernel, and rootfs to load and the only way I can upload is via -d flag
16:01.54mick_laptopyet it is all a no-go
16:05.36PaulFertsermick_laptop: first: make sure you have a nice charged battery; second: flash Qi, rootfs and kernel all from qtmoko's site; third: try to boot and describe what is excatly happening. Also you shouldn't have a bootable uSD installed as that's the first thing Qi tries to boot from.
16:08.43PaulFertsermick_laptop: a flat battery would probably take an hour in u-boot menu to become useable.
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16:09.14PaulFertsermick_laptop: also, you should be feeling vibes when you start Qi as it should indicate that the uSD is not present.
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21:24.51stephan_arch2hey guys, is there a tablet that can mess up with the ipad3 but where you can install, lets say gentoo?:)
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21:44.11DieMumie1stephan_arch2: if there is one you might find it unlabled at www.alibaba.com
21:44.44stephan_arch2this is a good joke :)
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