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| 18:36.46 | hkhalid | Hello |
| 18:37.32 | hkhalid | Does openmoko have an opensource baseband? I ask because based off a CNET article, it says all phones have a feature to be remotely turned on by FBI. I was told that this is not the OS like Android but the phone mfg putting a backdoor on the baseband, can someone point me in the right direction? |
| 18:37.44 | hkhalid | http://news.cnet.com/2100-1029-6140191.html is the article about phones being turned on remotely |
| 18:38.36 | PaulFertser | hkhalid: hey |
| 18:38.46 | hkhalid | hi PaulFertser , how are you? |
| 18:39.29 | PaulFertser | hkhalid: google for OsmocomBB |
| 18:40.04 | hkhalid | PaulFertser: I was just on that channel and asked the same thing, but it seems they are unaware of FBI being able to turn on phones. I tried mentioning that I was told that this feature is due to baseband |
| 18:40.26 | hkhalid | so if they are unaware of it, then I would have to audit which is unrealistic |
| 18:40.33 | PaulFertser | hkhalid: do you have any proof or real information about "fbi"? |
| 18:40.45 | hkhalid | http://news.cnet.com/2100-1029-6140191.html this article was pretty famous |
| 18:42.55 | PaulFertser | hkhalid: that's all moot |
| 18:43.21 | hkhalid | hmmmm someone on osmocom said the same thing....I dont get why though.... |
| 18:43.31 | hkhalid | why are people doubting this... |
| 18:43.37 | hkhalid | is it that difficult and strange? |
| 18:43.47 | hkhalid | arent most basebands closed source |
| 18:44.07 | hkhalid | if its not the OS, then....its the baseband correct? IF they did put something in.... |
| 18:46.08 | PaulFertser | hkhalid: bugs in baseband are different in every version. |
| 18:46.19 | PaulFertser | hkhalid: and are usually fixed once disclosed |
| 18:46.40 | PaulFertser | hkhalid: read http://www.google.com/url?q=https://cryptolux.org/media/hack.lu-aybbabtu.pdf&sa=U&ei=A650T4XkF8OhOu2DpNAK&ved=0CBEQFjAA&usg=AFQjCNGnTSRcqg8EJ3ruNaCs1_glwV0rAg |
| 18:46.53 | PaulFertser | hkhalid: it's highly unlikely fbi did something similar. |
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| 18:47.26 | hkhalid | PaulFertser: not FBI doing it, I thought it would be something by US law that all firmwares would have this feature, thanks for th elink |
| 18:47.37 | hkhalid | provided by phone mfg |
| 18:47.41 | PaulFertser | They'd need to spend plenty of time targetting very particular baseband version without any guarantees the suspects won't change it. |
| 18:47.59 | hkhalid | but thats the point, nobody ever really changes the baseband... |
| 18:48.17 | PaulFertser | hkhalid: it's unlikely there's such a feature present. Or else it would have high chances of being discovered by the researches. |
| 18:48.42 | hkhalid | I was thinking Google was part of this, same with apple and Nokia and RIM |
| 18:49.21 | hkhalid | when that vmware asshole said stuff about openbsd and a backdoor |
| 18:49.24 | hkhalid | now I question it all |
| 18:49.55 | PaulFertser | hkhalid: neither google nor RIM writes baseband fw i guess. |
| 18:50.13 | hkhalid | google = motorola |
| 18:50.35 | PaulFertser | Does motorola produce basebands at all btw? |
| 18:50.58 | hkhalid | ok to be clear, its not the phone mfg that does it....but the chipset mfg? |
| 18:51.29 | PaulFertser | hkhalid: writes bb fw? Mostly yes, afaict. |
| 18:51.44 | hkhalid | thanks |
| 18:51.51 | hkhalid | so like qualcom? |
| 18:52.35 | PaulFertser | hkhalid: yep |
| 18:56.31 | hkhalid | PaulFertser: you are an expert |
| 18:59.26 | PaulFertser | No |
| 19:04.03 | hkhalid | I could purchase an openmoko, and have it working via simcard here in USA easily correct? |
| 19:05.50 | PaulFertser | hkhalid: if you buy a 850MHz version |
| 19:05.58 | PaulFertser | hkhalid: but the baseband is not free in OM. |
| 19:07.32 | hkhalid | This saddens me. I wanted to resell a phone with a ROM loaded with my apps....I was going to use Android but I dont trust the basebands, now openmoko is great alternative it just seems that the app dev for it hell...just like its hell for Android. I have been really into Mozillas boot2gecko recently... |
| 19:07.56 | hkhalid | PaulFertser: you familiar with Carrier IQ? |
| 19:15.51 | PaulFertser | hkhalid: i've read about it :) wrt developing for openmoko, it's not like it differs from any other GNU/Linux system. |
| 19:16.26 | LittleIdiot | as far as i understand gta's hardware, even if they were in control of the baseband, they wouldn't be able to control neither the audio mixer, nor anything else |
| 19:16.53 | LittleIdiot | in other words: they'd also need a backdoor in gsmd or similar software |
| 19:17.34 | PaulFertser | LittleIdiot: of course |
| 19:20.23 | hkhalid | im getting the idea that this is pointless for me to pursue...I just wanted to resell phones to a small niche and say "hey guys this phone doesnt come with a rootkit like many of the HTC Android phones" |
| 19:20.34 | hkhalid | and pack some secure apps with it such as encrypted chat |
| 19:22.21 | PaulFertser | hkhalid: i think om would be good enough for it. |
| 19:22.58 | hkhalid | do you know how much the bb cost? |
| 19:26.11 | PaulFertser | hkhalid: what do you mean? |
| 19:27.15 | hkhalid | the baseband isnt free for openmoko, so you have to pay for it? |
| 19:29.22 | PaulFertser | hkhalid: you can update for free to the latest version |
| 19:29.52 | hkhalid | thanks |
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