| 00:01.15 | wbk | undrwater: not technical in my experience: it involves unscrewing the cover of a neo1973 or a freerunner, disconnecting the cables and the display and doing the inverse with the new motherboard |
| 00:02.36 | wbk | underwater: I got one of the early boards... I think the manual makes it seem more daunting than it is. Each step is covered in two or three pictures, so reading through the procedure takes almost more time than actually performing it |
| 00:02.56 | undrwater | i see...happy again |
| 00:03.34 | wbk | undrwater: as stated in the manual and in the mailinglist: the part that takes most attention is removing the display, which is attached using double sided tape |
| 00:03.52 | wbk | undrwater: hehehe... good to hear :-) |
| 00:04.45 | wbk | undrwater: some of the mentions of soldering are specific to the early adopter boards, where a component was soldered on inverse from what it should have been |
| 00:06.22 | wbk | undrwater: on my board, when I switch from internal antenna to external antenna signal, the power on the external antenna is switched of and internally on, and vice versa, resulting in a terribly bad GPS reception. In the "production" boards the problem is solved |
| 00:06.48 | undrwater | wbk: good to know... |
| 00:07.05 | undrwater | i'm excited to have a refreshed openmoko |
| 00:07.13 | undrwater | and piss off my wife again |
| 00:07.13 | wbk | me too :-) |
| 00:07.17 | wbk | hahahaa... |
| 00:07.27 | wbk | that's a corner too well known... |
| 00:07.36 | undrwater | indeed |
| 00:07.56 | wbk | still, good to hear I'm not alone in that ;-) |
| 00:08.14 | undrwater | does it still have both NOR and NAND? |
| 00:08.33 | wbk | "more or less" |
| 00:08.50 | wbk | in that there's an unbrickable boot loader and a writable one |
| 00:08.59 | undrwater | sweet... |
| 00:09.08 | undrwater | writable one allows for multiboot? |
| 00:09.21 | wbk | the NOR boot loader is less noticable than on the freerunner though |
| 00:09.59 | wbk | I haven't seen it yet, and what I read about it, I understand that it's more for recovery than it was in case of FR |
| 00:10.20 | undrwater | i see...like android? |
| 00:10.29 | wbk | in my freerunner I used the NOR and the NAND boot loaders in similar frequency |
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| 00:10.57 | undrwater | same here |
| 00:11.15 | wbk | the phoenux / gta04 just turns on as soon as it has power, booting from NAND boot loader |
| 00:11.52 | wbk | I'm not so familiar with android... |
| 00:12.38 | wbk | ehh... that is... my wife has an android tab that I use as little as possible |
| 00:13.29 | wbk | (I guess if I touch it more than twice a week I'll root it and do all kinds of things with it to make it a usable device...) |
| 00:15.40 | wbk | undrwater: do you have any experience with git? |
| 00:18.19 | undrwater | wbk: yes |
| 00:18.49 | wbk | I'm trying to build qtmoko, for which Radek has written a quite extensive howto |
| 00:19.13 | wbk | I still get stuck checking out qtmoko though |
| 00:19.59 | wbk | How can I make a virging git install aware of Radeks qtmoko on github? |
| 00:20.09 | undrwater | have you pinged Radek on the ML? |
| 00:20.18 | wbk | not yet |
| 00:20.37 | undrwater | i haven't attempted anything like that recently, so i don't think i'll be of any use |
| 00:20.38 | undrwater | :( |
| 00:21.16 | wbk | I'm not sure what timezone he's in, but mine is about bed time, so I just had a look on IRC for a quick reply, else it's mailing list indeed |
| 00:21.26 | wbk | too bad ;-) |
| 00:22.00 | undrwater | it will wait |
| 00:22.25 | wbk | it will :-) Are you near enough Belgium by the way to attend FOSDEM? |
| 00:22.58 | undrwater | los angels |
| 00:23.08 | undrwater | angels indeed...angeles |
| 00:23.25 | wbk | sounds "not so near" to me, but all distances are relative of course... |
| 00:23.36 | undrwater | yes...i suppose i could attempt to swim |
| 00:24.11 | wbk | hehe "Geek found drowning on its way to new phone" |
| 00:24.19 | wbk | headlines for FOSDEM2013 |
| 00:24.49 | undrwater | great headline...not so great news! |
| 00:25.15 | wbk | so.. you're not swimming, I understand ;-) |
| 00:25.38 | Wonka | well, someone undrwater already should be able to swim anyway |
| 00:25.54 | Wonka | should I bring my GTA02? |
| 00:26.04 | wbk | Are you actually on the list for a GTA04, or seeing how things are going? |
| 00:26.05 | wbk | hahaha |
| 00:26.16 | undrwater | Wonka: yes...but the records held are across lakes or channels...no oceans :) |
| 00:26.27 | undrwater | i'm seeing how things are going |
| 00:26.30 | wbk | well... not undrwater without reasons I suppose |
| 00:26.46 | undrwater | i like to see the fishys! |
| 00:26.56 | Wonka | I'm interested in a GTA04 with everything... |
| 00:27.06 | wbk | any gps reception down under? |
| 00:27.12 | Wonka | otherwise I'd need to buy an old GTA01/GTA02... |
| 00:27.23 | Wonka | as I want to keep my GTA02 as it is |
| 00:27.31 | wbk | (underwater, for the Aussies under us.. between us) |
| 00:27.46 | undrwater | heheh |
| 00:27.57 | undrwater | Wonka: how you plan to use the gta02? |
| 00:28.58 | Wonka | undrwater: uh... I have used it as mobile IRC device, for OSM mapping with TangoGPS, and for geocaching with AGTL |
| 00:29.07 | Wonka | undrwater: I'd like to keep that up |
| 00:29.17 | wbk | Wonka: nostalgia? |
| 00:30.02 | Wonka | wbk: "known working" |
| 00:30.09 | wbk | hahaha |
| 00:30.11 | undrwater | aha |
| 00:30.16 | undrwater | good point |
| 00:30.25 | wbk | "known defects" |
| 00:30.36 | wbk | I see "using as a telefphone" missing |
| 00:31.08 | wbk | (I have no right talking though, I have annoyed callers for years with an echo now...) |
| 00:32.06 | wbk | I'm trying to build qtmoko to find out if I actually can place a call with my gta04, without the other side asking if I'm under water or using an experimental device again. |
| 00:32.15 | undrwater | while i had bluetooth headset working, it was great as a phone... |
| 00:32.27 | Wonka | wbk: 100% of all calls I tried to do with the GTA02 have succeeded. |
| 00:32.49 | undrwater | all two of them ;) |
| 00:33.07 | wbk | hehhehe... |
| 00:33.23 | Wonka | actually, yes. exactly two. |
| 00:33.35 | wbk | you're serious! |
| 00:33.42 | Wonka | yes. |
| 00:33.57 | Wonka | for phoning, I have an android phone now -.- |
| 00:34.05 | Wonka | or, to be true... |
| 00:34.15 | Wonka | for phoning I still use my Siemens S65 |
| 00:34.33 | Wonka | the android is my plaything for Internets and GPS... |
| 00:34.34 | wbk | .. which lasts for a week on a single battery? |
| 00:34.52 | Wonka | wbk: mh, not anymore. two days max, the S65 |
| 00:35.13 | Wonka | the android about a day if I don't keep the display on all the time |
| 00:35.23 | wbk | at least it gives some excuse to carry a bag full of gadgets.. |
| 00:35.29 | Wonka | and the FR... never seen it do more than 4h |
| 00:35.40 | Wonka | is there still someone working on the kernel anyways? |
| 00:35.47 | wbk | which software are you running? |
| 00:35.53 | Wonka | been running SHR |
| 00:36.02 | wbk | I have usually a day or so |
| 00:36.20 | Wonka | got a version from 2008, iirc, in flash, which "Just Works"... with bad battery life though... |
| 00:36.24 | wbk | not with display and wifi on, of course |
| 00:36.55 | Wonka | a newer one, from svn, on uSDHC, which sucks planets through nanotubes |
| 00:37.03 | wbk | give a recent SHR-core or qtmoko 35 or 37 a try |
| 00:37.08 | Wonka | and a debian, which is... different |
| 00:37.28 | wbk | yes, with zhone on it? |
| 00:37.37 | Wonka | no zhone on debian... |
| 00:37.44 | Wonka | I wanted foxtrotgps |
| 00:38.03 | Wonka | there is no way to get GPS with only debian |
| 00:38.17 | Wonka | I needed the fsogpsd from SHR too |
| 00:38.34 | Wonka | it's all so broken... |
| 00:38.39 | wbk | :-( |
| 00:38.46 | Wonka | and I don't even know where to start |
| 00:38.55 | Wonka | haven't used it for quite some time now |
| 00:39.15 | Wonka | AGTL was such a nice thing... and AAGTL, although trying to be similar, isn't. |
| 00:39.15 | wbk | between the broken bits, is there anything in gps tracks or such to salvage? |
| 00:39.30 | Wonka | well, yes. |
| 00:39.37 | Wonka | when I got GPS to work, it worked fine |
| 00:39.48 | Wonka | once, I even had internet via gprs... |
| 00:40.01 | Wonka | but I couldn't reproduce that the last time I tried |
| 00:40.28 | wbk | If you got an empty uSD card lying around, give one of the newer distros a try |
| 00:40.39 | Wonka | I might... when I find some time... |
| 00:40.49 | Wonka | I liked SHR quite much |
| 00:40.55 | Wonka | with illume (not illume2!) |
| 00:41.09 | wbk | that's always the thing indeed .... Both SHR and QtMoko give me no hassles, or hardly any |
| 00:41.46 | wbk | SHR is better at combining GPRS while being able to receive phonecalls |
| 00:42.07 | wbk | QtMoko really looks like a "phone" |
| 00:43.53 | wbk | Since beginning of 2010 I've used GPRS without thinking about it in SHR, though it would drop the connection on high traffic |
| 00:44.57 | wbk | I'll be off in a couple of minutes |
| 00:47.02 | undrwater | is raster still working on illume? i thought it was replaced by a different product |
| 00:49.25 | wbk | I'm not sure who's working on it, but illume is in shr-core (follow-up on shr-testing/shr-unstable/shr-stable) |
| 00:55.01 | wbk | bye! |
| 00:55.14 | Wonka | night, everyone |
| 00:55.31 | wbk | good night! |
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