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| 05:40.59 | PaulFertser | Qantourisc: SHR |
| 05:41.05 | PaulFertser | Qantourisc: and QtMoko |
| 05:41.19 | PaulFertser | Qantourisc: and gta04 |
| 05:41.41 | PaulFertser | Qantourisc: FSO is now officially part of the SHR |
| 05:41.58 | PaulFertser | Qantourisc: some work is ongoing on alternative UI to it, called Aurora. |
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| 08:54.54 | Qantourisc | leviathan_: is it you ? |
| 08:55.08 | Qantourisc | wait .Ch ... no :) |
| 08:55.35 | Qantourisc | >I'm wondering what the best phone to buy is atm, and the phone most likely supported in the futurure ... |
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| 09:08.07 | leviathan_ | Qantourisc: uhh? |
| 09:08.39 | leviathan_ | Qantourisc: Well. We are working on the GTA04 right now |
| 09:09.01 | leviathan_ | case will be printable by a RepRap |
| 09:09.03 | Qantourisc | for hardware or software ? |
| 09:09.11 | Qantourisc | ok hardware |
| 09:09.17 | leviathan_ | yes :-) |
| 09:09.21 | Qantourisc | my main concernt is software and where i can run on it |
| 09:09.26 | Qantourisc | *it on |
| 09:09.27 | leviathan_ | ahh |
| 09:09.30 | leviathan_ | well |
| 09:09.38 | leviathan_ | have a look at plasma-active |
| 09:09.48 | leviathan_ | there is a qt4-binding for fso2 |
| 09:10.27 | leviathan_ | so it would be obvious to do some plasma apps for FSO2 |
| 09:10.37 | leviathan_ | which allow you to use mobile-kde4 with fso |
| 09:10.39 | leviathan_ | :-) |
| 09:10.47 | leviathan_ | imagine the possibilities |
| 09:10.56 | leviathan_ | akonadi on smartphones, laptops and desktops |
| 09:11.15 | leviathan_ | you enter a meeting/contact |
| 09:11.18 | leviathan_ | and it's everywhere |
| 09:11.31 | leviathan_ | screw apple, KDE4 is coming! ;-D |
| 09:12.05 | Qantourisc | there is somutch comming and so litle at the same time |
| 09:12.14 | Qantourisc | I think my most important question is: |
| 09:12.31 | Qantourisc | what hardware will most likelky be supported by most in the future |
| 09:12.52 | leviathan_ | uhm |
| 09:13.01 | leviathan_ | it's sad to say |
| 09:13.13 | leviathan_ | if you look onto it realistically |
| 09:13.39 | leviathan_ | there is only one really free smartphone project right now |
| 09:13.47 | leviathan_ | and we have soo few financial resources |
| 09:13.53 | Qantourisc | true |
| 09:14.31 | leviathan_ | it would be nice if FSF would sponsor us, but don't seem to be interested into this option |
| 09:14.44 | leviathan_ | respectively they don't have that much money on their own, maybe |
| 09:15.02 | Qantourisc | leviathan_: how can i sponser ? (in a way?) |
| 09:15.13 | leviathan_ | well |
| 09:15.40 | leviathan_ | we need financial resources in order to make PCBs and buy parts |
| 09:15.44 | Qantourisc | personally I think the best way to brake trough, is to make sure those FOSS-phone-os run on a lot of phones |
| 09:16.00 | leviathan_ | well |
| 09:16.09 | leviathan_ | look onto Android |
| 09:16.27 | leviathan_ | and after being forced to work for big companies I learned one thing |
| 09:16.40 | Qantourisc | hmm ? |
| 09:16.42 | Qantourisc | go on |
| 09:16.49 | leviathan_ | our problem is egoism and paranoia |
| 09:16.57 | leviathan_ | paired it equals ignorance |
| 09:17.15 | leviathan_ | they steal of each other and neglect efficient workflows at the same time |
| 09:17.26 | Qantourisc | I didn't say work with them |
| 09:17.37 | Qantourisc | I said make sure our software runs on there stuff (where possible) |
| 09:17.46 | leviathan_ | most managers only are good on one thing, talking a lot of shit while don't knowing a shit a the same time |
| 09:17.53 | leviathan_ | hmm |
| 09:17.53 | leviathan_ | well |
| 09:17.55 | Qantourisc | yea true |
| 09:17.56 | leviathan_ | the problem |
| 09:18.00 | leviathan_ | they use linux |
| 09:18.03 | leviathan_ | BUT |
| 09:18.05 | leviathan_ | look how |
| 09:18.08 | leviathan_ | as kernel |
| 09:18.19 | leviathan_ | but they close it down |
| 09:18.21 | Qantourisc | also right now, the best solution for me looks like, get a phone that can run linux, and put a "phone" app on that linux |
| 09:18.33 | leviathan_ | so that you can't see the drivers in order to understand the hardware |
| 09:18.43 | Qantourisc | leviathan_: ofcours closed down phones are useless, but iirc n900 and n9 are quite open ? |
| 09:18.52 | leviathan_ | and something else then the specific linux distro called Android isn't supposed to run on it |
| 09:18.53 | Qantourisc | o |
| 09:18.54 | leviathan_ | hmm? |
| 09:18.57 | Qantourisc | ok then they are not |
| 09:19.05 | leviathan_ | hmm? |
| 09:19.07 | leviathan_ | n900 |
| 09:19.08 | leviathan_ | yes |
| 09:19.15 | leviathan_ | and it runs meego |
| 09:19.31 | Qantourisc | maemo to be exact :) |
| 09:19.36 | leviathan_ | which maybe a opportunity to port debian+plasma-active+fso onto it |
| 09:19.37 | leviathan_ | hmm |
| 09:19.59 | Qantourisc | greet makes this hard :/ |
| 09:20.05 | leviathan_ | yes -.- |
| 09:20.06 | Qantourisc | i hate greed |
| 09:20.09 | leviathan_ | same here |
| 09:20.33 | Qantourisc | Still don't understand why peaple put up with it, buying a phone that costs more then a cheap pc, and be able to do LESS with it |
| 09:20.46 | leviathan_ | yes |
| 09:21.00 | leviathan_ | well |
| 09:21.05 | Qantourisc | don't suppose I can toss on harmattan on a freerunner ? |
| 09:21.55 | leviathan_ | uhh? |
| 09:22.03 | leviathan_ | harmattan? |
| 09:22.04 | Qantourisc | :) |
| 09:22.07 | leviathan_ | an ubuntu? |
| 09:22.16 | Qantourisc | the maemo/meego version that run on N9 |
| 09:22.21 | leviathan_ | hmm |
| 09:22.23 | leviathan_ | well |
| 09:22.28 | leviathan_ | you could install a debian |
| 09:22.34 | Qantourisc | the answer is no: noone did what was needed yet |
| 09:22.52 | Qantourisc | Ow what i fear about debian, is a 128mb enough to run on it ? |
| 09:22.54 | leviathan_ | debian+kde4+fso2 is the future |
| 09:22.59 | leviathan_ | hmm |
| 09:23.04 | leviathan_ | well |
| 09:23.12 | leviathan_ | if you strip it down |
| 09:23.13 | leviathan_ | maybe |
| 09:23.15 | leviathan_ | :-) |
| 09:23.25 | Qantourisc | so i need a gta04 ? |
| 09:23.31 | leviathan_ | or a n9 |
| 09:23.39 | leviathan_ | or some tablet-pc |
| 09:23.51 | leviathan_ | then we can start to code fso2-plasmaapps |
| 09:24.00 | leviathan_ | fso in the background will do the rest |
| 09:24.01 | leviathan_ | :-) |
| 09:24.12 | Qantourisc | nice plan |
| 09:24.24 | Qantourisc | still ... i'm nowhere now :) |
| 09:25.04 | Qantourisc | think i need a qemu environ to test all i need |
| 09:26.59 | leviathan_ | hmm |
| 09:27.00 | leviathan_ | yes |
| 09:27.21 | leviathan_ | http://blog.the-leviathan.ch/?p=255 |
| 09:27.32 | leviathan_ | it's easier :-) |
| 09:27.37 | Qantourisc | then again, I can just run it on 128mb virutual machine (a debian) and see if it works ? |
| 09:32.04 | Qantourisc | leviathan_: nice link, still confusing :/ |
| 09:32.27 | leviathan_ | uhh? |
| 09:32.33 | leviathan_ | it's chrooting |
| 09:32.42 | leviathan_ | only that you chroot into an ARM environment |
| 09:32.51 | leviathan_ | from within you x86 env ;-) |
| 09:32.59 | leviathan_ | much easier to work |
| 09:33.10 | leviathan_ | you don't need another virtual computer |
| 09:33.21 | leviathan_ | AND you can copy files around much easier |
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| 09:34.15 | leviathan_ | hmm, last thing I want is to be confusing within chat as well. that would imply that I lost ability to successfully communicate with people on all possible channels >_> |
| 09:37.27 | Qantourisc | leviathan_: I think i get it |
| 09:37.36 | Qantourisc | leviathan_: a like that |
| 09:39.29 | Qantourisc | leviathan_: maybe a better question: what do you run ? |
| 09:39.42 | leviathan_ | hmm? |
| 09:39.44 | leviathan_ | debian |
| 09:40.04 | leviathan_ | debian sid |
| 09:40.26 | leviathan_ | you might try to package plasma-active for a start |
| 09:40.33 | leviathan_ | and deploy it onto a n9 |
| 09:40.35 | leviathan_ | :-) |
| 09:40.53 | Qantourisc | leviathan_: i mean on your phone ... witch one are you using anyway ? |
| 09:41.18 | leviathan_ | atm? |
| 09:41.22 | leviathan_ | none >_> |
| 09:41.23 | Qantourisc | yes |
| 09:41.25 | Qantourisc | ow |
| 09:41.26 | Qantourisc | :) |
| 09:42.19 | Qantourisc | Ok have to leave now, more talk later if you want ... I'm still intrested in finding a solution ... |
| 09:42.24 | Qantourisc | witch is hard to come by :/ |
| 09:42.28 | leviathan_ | yes |
| 09:42.35 | leviathan_ | too few interested people |
| 09:42.47 | leviathan_ | sadly :-/ |
| 09:44.42 | Qantourisc | imo intel aproached it the wrong way |
| 09:44.51 | Qantourisc | they should have crammed money on making linux run on phones |
| 09:44.58 | Qantourisc | then code the UI meego |
| 09:45.00 | Qantourisc | in that order :) |
| 09:45.14 | Qantourisc | but i must leave now |
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| 20:28.44 | yasir | HI |
| 20:29.15 | yasir | HI |
| 20:29.33 | PaulFertser | yasir: ? |
| 20:29.55 | yasir | HI |
| 20:31.49 | yasir | REPLY ME PLZ |
| 20:32.08 | PaulFertser | yasir: you're going to be kicked out of here soon if you do not behave. |
| 20:32.39 | yasir | PLZ CLEAR ENGLISH |
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