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| 13:06.51 | lide | got my freerunner \o_ |
| 13:07.31 | lide | can anyone shed a light on distros? I was thinking of trying QT extended improved first |
| 13:09.15 | lide | battery life is pretty bad out of the box, I only get about a day |
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| 13:19.45 | PaulFertser | lide: you should use suspend-to-ram |
| 13:20.00 | PaulFertser | lide: and about a day is ok for a heavy usage. |
| 13:20.42 | PaulFertser | lide: if you're interested in using it to actually make calls etc you can try qtmoko. |
| 13:24.57 | lide | it sat idle most of the time with bt and gps turned off, the default distro seems horrible though, couldn't find how to tweak anything |
| 13:26.06 | PaulFertser | lide: idle doesn't mean suspend-to-ram. "default distro" doesn't mean anything at all :) |
| 13:27.09 | lide | yeah I don't know what's going on in the phone as I couldn't even find a terminal emu on it :p |
| 13:29.30 | lide | qtmoko looks decent, I'll try that out too |
| 13:29.48 | PaulFertser | lide: is your device buzz-fixed? |
| 13:32.56 | lide | yeah it's A7 |
| 13:34.54 | Sazius | btw I found that sometimes when I suspend with qtmoko and I get back many hours later it has drained the battery and has died or is warning of low battery even though it was full before, any ideas what I'm doing wrong? |
| 13:35.27 | Sazius | many hours = e.g. 6h later or overnight |
| 13:40.06 | PaulFertser | Sazius: probably it resumed on its own due to incoming message or something and then didn't went to suspend again. |
| 13:42.01 | Sazius | ok, although I'm pretty sure I didn't get a message or call at that time |
| 13:47.41 | lide | why is SHR so popular? |
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| 17:26.06 | PaulFertser | lide: because SHR is the main effort to bring free software telephony to the smartphones, most developers like its codebase etc. |
| 17:30.54 | lide | k |
| 17:37.38 | lide | PaulFertser: since you have all the answers, tell me why getting a decent on-screen keyboard has been such a challenge for the devs? :D |
| 18:02.44 | PaulFertser | lide: SHR has always counted on E17 to provide WM and other related functionality. |
| 18:03.09 | PaulFertser | lide: it was usually assumed that Raster's virtual keyboard is a really cool, decent, fast, nicely predictive etc etc. |
| 18:03.19 | PaulFertser | lide: what do you not like about it? |
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| 19:54.57 | lide | PaulFertser: I haven't actually used any except the one that came with the phone (out of the box), just read complaints online about the kbs |
| 19:55.32 | PaulFertser | lide: what came with the phone? |
| 19:55.37 | lide | and was wondering what could be so difficult about it that the ones I've seen tend to turn out so crappy |
| 19:55.43 | lide | I can't possibly know |
| 19:55.48 | PaulFertser | Neither I :) |
| 19:55.51 | lide | the OS is ridiculous |
| 19:55.58 | PaulFertser | Which one? |
| 19:56.06 | lide | yeah, this one |
| 19:56.21 | PaulFertser | What? |
| 19:56.31 | lide | I can't possibly know :> |
| 19:56.41 | lide | the preinstalled one |
| 19:57.10 | PaulFertser | It can be anything, so that means nothing ;) |
| 19:57.29 | lide | I bought from golden delicious |
| 19:57.46 | lide | this is all I know, trying to install qtmoko at the moment |
| 19:58.24 | lide | but after flashing Qi and extracting the rootfs on micro-sd I only get empty screen on boot |
| 19:58.44 | PaulFertser | lide: how long do you wait? |
| 19:58.50 | lide | 5 minutes |
| 19:59.09 | lide | the screen is lit up but nothing shows up |
| 19:59.31 | PaulFertser | lide: how many vibes did you feel after pressing power button? |
| 19:59.45 | lide | hm I think one but I'll recheck |
| 19:59.48 | lide | it is error code? |
| 20:00.04 | PaulFertser | lide: one means it couldn't load the kernel from the first uSD partition. |
| 20:00.12 | lide | I see |
| 20:00.54 | lide | I only created one partition, formatted ext3 and extracted the rootfs. do I need the kernel separately or should it be included? |
| 20:01.29 | PaulFertser | lide: the kernel should be in /boot/uImage-GTA02.bin |
| 20:02.57 | lide | I tried again and I don't feel any vibe |
| 20:06.54 | lide | it could be a problem with my laptop, there was an issue with SD cards |
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| 20:07.00 | Keiz | Howdy everyone |
| 20:07.24 | Keiz | About to JTAG my Neo 1973 and load in OpenWRT |
| 20:08.12 | lide | namely this one... I couldn't mount it at first, it wouldn't show the device under /dev until I inserted another sd. then linux showed the device for it and I was able to mount, then I reinserted this one I'm using and I was able to mount it |
| 20:08.50 | lide | dmesg showed all kinds of errors |
| 20:09.14 | lide | so I wouldn't be completely surprised if the rootfs I extracted got corrupted somehow |
| 20:11.27 | lide | PaulFertser: correct, there's a uImage-GTA02.bin. however when I go to NOR uboot (aux+power?) and try to boot from micro-sd it says no uImage.bin found. is this at all related to what I'm trying to achieve. I don't understand why I needed to install Qi in the first place |
| 20:11.58 | PaulFertser | lide: do not use NOR uboot at all. |
| 20:12.04 | PaulFertser | lide: except for the DFU |
| 20:12.05 | lide | so I was wondering now if renaming it to uImage.bin would help, but it this a separate issue? if I skip the menu it should use Qi right? |
| 20:12.10 | lide | ok |
| 20:12.13 | PaulFertser | Keiz: should be possible even without JTAG :) |
| 20:13.41 | lide | ok when I turn it on I get a led flash, and a slightly longer flash I think (so 2 flashes). does this mean anything? |
| 20:20.28 | Keiz | PaulFertser, I have the dev kit and my friend bricked it back in 2008 and it hasn't run since so I am trying to revive it |
| 20:21.03 | PaulFertser | lide: take a look at the Qi page on the openmoko wiki. |
| 20:21.23 | PaulFertser | Keiz: flashing a bootloader would require JTAG then, yes. |
| 20:24.42 | Keiz | PaulFertser, This should be fun ^_^ |
| 20:30.48 | lide | lol it was running fsck |
| 20:31.06 | lide | and console was spouting errors like cannot initialiez /etc/mtab |
| 20:31.14 | lide | neo login: Segmentation fault :D |
| 20:31.28 | lide | but I got to the calibration screen after a few reboots |
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| 21:02.30 | lide | usb 1.1, what were they thinking >__< |
| 21:04.00 | PaulFertser | lide: SoC limitation. |
| 21:05.15 | lide | ah |
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| 21:20.27 | Keiz | PaulFertser, Will the battery charge even if the unit is bricked? |
| 21:21.58 | PaulFertser | Keiz: likely, no. |
| 21:22.13 | PaulFertser | Keiz: the default is 100mA and the unit will consume all that itself. |
| 21:22.30 | PaulFertser | Keiz: and do not ever try to start it without battery, it can be damaged permanently. |
| 21:40.50 | lide | I figured the sd was maybe broken because I'd get random errors on reboots and finally it complained about a lib missing when I had calibrated and configured the date/time and the system got stuck |
| 21:41.06 | lide | now I installed to NAND and get kernel panic on boot |
| 21:41.24 | lide | flashed Qi, kernel, then rootfs |
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| 21:42.03 | lide | "Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(31,6)" |
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| 22:02.10 | Keizer | PaulFertser: How can I tell if the unit is completely bricked as there is not telling if it operation was attempted without the battery in |
| 22:02.25 | Keizer | I can never get this OpenOCD to load right with my debug board V3 |
| 22:02.45 | lide | (got it to work somehow, at least momentarily. qtmoko looks pretty good.) |
| 22:05.04 | Keizer | Error: JTAG scan chain interrogation failed: all zeroes |
| 22:05.48 | Keizer | I am using openocd-0.4.0-2 |
| 22:06.35 | Keizer | Oh snap I did the telnet 4444 and it actually responded |
| 22:06.36 | Keizer | Open On-Chip Debugger |
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| 23:10.04 | Keizer | Fox_Muldr: Have you tried ezQuake? |
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