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| 07:05.19 | larie | can i use Nokia BL6C battery? |
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| 07:24.04 | PaulFertser | larie: yes |
| 07:24.11 | PaulFertser | ~batteryfaq |
| 07:24.11 | apt | extra, extra, read all about it, batteryfaq is http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers |
| 07:24.31 | larie | PaulFertser: thx |
| 07:24.56 | PaulFertser | larie: greetings to Barnaul :) |
| 07:25.44 | PaulFertser | larie: i'd suggest a modern bl-5c though, they've almost as much power and are easier to find. |
| 07:25.55 | larie | PaulFertser: hey! :3 |
| 07:27.40 | PaulFertser | larie: are you using your device as a daily phone? Or just bragging at a LUG |
| 07:28.25 | larie | PaulFertser: i do not have one, but want to buy from there > http://www.pulster.eu/index.html?d__om_a7__OpenMoko_Freerunner___A7739.htm |
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| 07:29.09 | PaulFertser | larie: to be able to actually use the device, you need a buzz-fixed version. |
| 07:29.34 | PaulFertser | larie: and to use it as a portable music player, you need bass fix as well. |
| 07:29.38 | larie | PaulFertser: they sent me a letter that says that it is fixed version |
| 07:29.45 | PaulFertser | larie: and to get maximum suspend time you need #1024 fix. |
| 07:29.49 | PaulFertser | larie: what's your usecase? |
| 07:34.40 | larie | PaulFertser: i want a good phone not affected with general vulnerabilities of closed phones... |
| 07:35.00 | larie | PaulFertser: i want to use it as ssh client :p |
| 07:35.10 | PaulFertser | larie: small screen |
| 07:35.31 | larie | 640x480 is fine i like small fonts |
| 07:35.32 | PaulFertser | larie: are you going to use an external keyboard with it? |
| 07:35.57 | PaulFertser | larie: oh yeah, 285dpi is rather cool. The screan is unreadable in sunlight btw. |
| 07:36.46 | larie | maybe I will use external kbd if it will not hurt battery life much |
| 07:36.51 | larie | i dislike sun |
| 07:38.38 | larie | I need to ask about hat #1024 fix. I will mail them. |
| 07:40.03 | PaulFertser | larie: ok, good luck then! How are you going to get it delivered? By regular mail? |
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| 07:40.46 | larie | They say Shipping: with DHL airmail parcel, incl. insurance and safe packaging+ postage 30 eur RUSSIA |
| 07:40.49 | PaulFertser | larie: beware that DHL and others do not deliver to individuals in russia. |
| 07:41.36 | PaulFertser | larie: they just do not, no way around it unless you want to deliver for an organisation but it's a real hassle to fill "гÑÑÐ·Ð¾Ð²Ð°Ñ ÑÐ°Ð¼Ð¾Ð¶ÐµÐ½Ð½Ð°Ñ Ð´ÐµÐºÐ»Ð°ÑаÑиÑ" and other shit. |
| 07:42.17 | PaulFertser | larie: and when i say real hassle, i mean it: first you have to register that organisation as a "participant of international trade". |
| 07:42.22 | larie | Whoops i need to think about that. |
| 07:43.09 | PaulFertser | larie: also, you probably will have difficulties for officially importing a non-"rostest-approved" device. |
| 07:43.52 | PaulFertser | larie: it's possible to send it via regular mail, preferrably marking as "broken pda for spare parts". Or better have someone to bring it personally. |
| 07:44.12 | PaulFertser | larie: or buy a used device in ru, i'm sure there's plenty available on the after-market. |
| 07:45.21 | PaulFertser | larie: buzz-fix is trivial btw. |
| 07:46.19 | larie | pulster.eu provides 2-year guarantee. |
| 07:47.20 | larie | But if used device is cheap and easy to buy in Moscow I choose used. |
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| 07:51.13 | PaulFertser | larie: try asking at linux.org.ru's forums, probably might wokr. |
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| 18:38.23 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: you ever evaluated the idle power consumption of the vboost charge pump in gta02? |
| 18:38.37 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: hey |
| 18:39.20 | DocScrutinizer | quiescent current is probably the correct term |
| 18:39.20 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: no, i haven't. |
| 18:42.23 | DocScrutinizer | for gta02 it'd be maybe actually more interesting if device could resume from suspend on kbd event |
| 18:42.48 | DocScrutinizer | which I highly doubt |
| 18:46.32 | SpeedEvil | It'd mean keepin gUSB up, wouldn't it? |
| 18:46.42 | SpeedEvil | Or do keyboards implement susped properly |
| 18:46.45 | SpeedEvil | I suppose they must |
| 18:47.18 | DocScrutinizer | I don't think so |
| 18:48.03 | DocScrutinizer | but actually I dunno |
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| 18:49.43 | DocScrutinizer | the suspend concept is broken by design anyway, for embedded |
| 18:51.57 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: still no decent kernel for n900 though :( |
| 18:52.14 | DocScrutinizer | hm? |
| 18:53.17 | DocScrutinizer | what would qualify for a "decent kernel" for you? |
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| 19:16.47 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: close to upstream and with power consumption not worse than in maemo's. |
| 19:38.42 | DocScrutinizer | maybe that's mutually exclusive, thanks to upstream rejecting some patches that are too platform specific |
| 19:39.32 | DocScrutinizer | or simply too late to replace crap implementations that already exist (see lis3lv02) |
| 19:40.33 | DocScrutinizer | btw on same topic I don't see a "decent kernel" for gta02 either |
| 19:40.42 | DocScrutinizer | for somewhat same reasons |
| 19:49.26 | PaulFertser | I'm not aware about the current state of the gta02 kernels. |
| 19:50.54 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: if only those patches were properly submitted 2 years ago as they should have been, there would be enough time to rework them to everyone's liking. |
| 20:00.00 | DocScrutinizer | well, my experiences during my crusade for a better lis302 driver in meego during the last 9 months wre so depressing, I can see why things like drivers not getting upstream can happen |
| 20:01.36 | DocScrutinizer | and e.g. meego-CE aka meego-arm aka n900-hw-adaption project deliberately opted for using a fsckdup driver because it's upstream, rather than even trying to pick up on better implementations like the maemo or the OM one |
| 20:02.22 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: otoh you never really was involved in the kernel development process. It's harsh indeed, but it's not without its benefits too. |
| 20:07.44 | DocScrutinizer | I'm just saying all those who actually are involved into kernel development one way or the other just either shrugged, or started bitching on me I'd rather push the better driver upstream rather than telling them about it, or frankly denied there's such a thing like a better driver than the fsckdup joystick lis302 upstream driver. But then everybody starts moaning about "there's still a problem with kernels for XY are not doing proper |
| 20:07.46 | DocScrutinizer | power management" - that'S kinda paradox in my book |
| 20:12.14 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: well, i'd say that's just an unfortunate event that no truly dedicated kernel dev was interested in having a nice driver upstream. |
| 20:12.55 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: i'm sorry you had hard time trying to make it happen :( |
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