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| 07:15.09 | larie | hello |
| 07:15.50 | larie | should i buy freerunner? or wait for new model? |
| 07:18.09 | h4v | larie: you either way need freerunner, gta04 is just board replacement |
| 07:18.42 | larie | h4v: oh! :p is that board already available? |
| 07:19.35 | larie | i want to buy freerunner in a month |
| 07:19.43 | pabs3 | would not buy the gta04 |
| 07:19.52 | h4v | larie: no, it's being tested |
| 07:20.02 | h4v | pabs3: why so? |
| 07:20.11 | larie | pabs3: why?? |
| 07:20.19 | pabs3 | two reasons |
| 07:20.29 | pabs3 | firstly this idiocy: http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-main/page/FirmwareInjector/ |
| 07:20.42 | pabs3 | secondly osmocom bb doesn't support the GSM chip |
| 07:22.25 | larie | omg! |
| 07:22.29 | pabs3 | also, kinda sad they didn't consider fixing case design issues or adding more ports or getting rid of design bugs |
| 07:22.52 | larie | what is osmonombb ? |
| 07:22.55 | larie | what bugs? |
| 07:23.14 | pabs3 | like 2.5 mm headphone jack instead of 3.5 |
| 07:23.37 | pabs3 | the screen not being flat with the face |
| 07:23.44 | pabs3 | stupid design bugs like that |
| 07:24.00 | larie | oh |
| 07:24.01 | pabs3 | osmocomm bb is http://bb.osmocom.org/trac/ |
| 07:24.17 | h4v | i like screen this way |
| 07:24.42 | pabs3 | makes it hard to touch the corners :( |
| 07:24.48 | larie | pabs3: do i need that osmocom? can i call without it? |
| 07:25.13 | pabs3 | larie: of course, you'll just be using the prioprietary firmware embedded in the GSM chip's flash |
| 07:25.29 | larie | pabs3: i want to use gentoo on the phone... |
| 07:25.46 | pabs3 | I would advise you against that, the FR is pretty slow :) |
| 07:25.56 | pabs3 | unless you will be cross-compiling on your desktop |
| 07:26.06 | larie | pabs3: i'm cross-compiling every day |
| 07:26.14 | larie | pabs3: i just do not have good phone |
| 07:26.14 | pabs3 | ah, cool |
| 07:26.27 | larie | my phone is SIEMENS A52 lol |
| 07:26.42 | larie | http://mobiguru.ru/f/image/8/2/0/8202_siemens_a52_1.jpg |
| 07:27.03 | larie | i can easily touch screen corners :p |
| 07:29.17 | pabs3 | it probably has some of these bugs too: http://www.isti.tu-berlin.de/fileadmin/fg214/finished_theses/NicoGolde/diplom_golde.pdf |
| 07:30.40 | larie | that is why i want fsf phone :3 |
| 07:30.55 | pabs3 | whats an fsf phone? |
| 07:31.25 | larie | any phone without bad software and hardware |
| 07:31.29 | larie | open and free one |
| 07:31.34 | larie | like freerunner |
| 07:31.41 | larie | or GTA04 |
| 07:32.42 | pabs3 | the FirmwareInjector thing for gta04 is the FSF's idea of free hardware, I wouldn't trust the FSF when it comes to hardware freedom |
| 07:32.59 | larie | pabs3: why? |
| 07:33.18 | larie | pabs3: what to do if there is no free driver? |
| 07:33.36 | pabs3 | use the non-free one and reverse engineer it until it works |
| 07:33.44 | pabs3 | better than this idiocy: http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-main/page/FirmwareInjector/ |
| 07:34.03 | pabs3 | anyway, I should shut up now |
| 07:34.35 | larie | where to buy? seems like it is hard to buy... |
| 07:35.35 | pabs3 | see the bottom of http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-main/ |
| 07:35.52 | pabs3 | the early adoptor program is closed already |
| 07:35.58 | larie | pabs3: i'm about freerunner |
| 07:36.04 | pabs3 | ah |
| 07:37.05 | pabs3 | http://www.openmoko.com/freerunner_distributors.html |
| 07:37.22 | pabs3 | probably not many distributors still sell it |
| 07:37.24 | larie | i'm from Russia |
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| 07:38.56 | Sazius | I bought from Pulster (German company) about a year ago, worked great, with shipping to Finland. |
| 07:39.18 | larie | Sazius: nice! are they selling latest version with fixed bugs? |
| 07:39.24 | Sazius | that was FreeRunner GTA02 though |
| 07:39.39 | Sazius | yes, seems to be that one :) |
| 07:43.50 | larie | Sazius: there are two types of gsm afaik |
| 07:44.01 | larie | Sazius: i need european one that will work in russia |
| 07:44.53 | Sazius | well, the one I bought from Pulster works fine in Finland, probably the same in Russia? |
| 07:45.36 | larie | Sazius: 900/1800 is for europe/asia and 850/1900 is for usa/la/canada |
| 07:45.40 | Sazius | http://www.pulster.eu/index.html?d__om_a7__OpenMoko_Freerunner___A7739.htm |
| 07:45.41 | larie | Sazius: seems like the same |
| 07:46.01 | Sazius | says "European version with triband GSM900 / 1800 / 1900, newest revision GTA02 v7 with fixed buzz & GPS bug" |
| 07:46.10 | larie | sweet! |
| 07:46.20 | larie | Sazius: thx! i will buy in a Month.. |
| 07:46.53 | Sazius | yeah, I bought in Dec 2010, and there were no problems |
| 07:46.59 | larie | is it really too slow? :p do i need to buy Nokia n900 too as a second box ? :p |
| 07:47.16 | Sazius | they were responsive and replied to my e-mail questions etc... |
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| 07:47.26 | Sazius | well, it's not super-fast :) |
| 07:48.01 | Sazius | with QtMoko I find it fast enough, Android is pretty sluggish though |
| 07:48.26 | larie | Sazius: there is usb host... maybe i will use it as network between pc and phone |
| 07:48.30 | Sazius | if possible, I'd suggest to try it before you buy it, since it might not be for everyone :) |
| 07:49.04 | Sazius | yeah, although GTA02 doesn't have 3G, only GPRS (or whatever it's called) |
| 07:49.56 | larie | then i will use qemu-kvm + crossdev + distcc to build something |
| 07:50.02 | Sazius | yeah, you can have usb-network for e.g. logging in to phone over ssh from your computer |
| 07:50.08 | larie | and then rsync to upload to phone oper usb-net |
| 07:50.16 | larie | sounds like a plan :3 |
| 07:50.21 | Sazius | :) |
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| 08:04.27 | larie | what about on-screen keyboard? |
| 08:07.22 | Sazius | depends on what distribution you run on it: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions |
| 08:07.47 | larie | Gentoo.. |
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| 08:45.04 | larie | â¬199 is a lot :o |
| 08:45.21 | larie | i want to buy used one |
| 09:12.04 | pabs3 | larie: mail the community list, someone might be wanting to get rid of one |
| 09:13.23 | larie | pabs3: give me a link please |
| 09:14.51 | pabs3 | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=openmoko+community |
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| 11:09.43 | pabs3 | awesome, LWN covered the GTA04 binary blob crap: http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/460654/aa6c8af4de857b57/ |
| 11:16.37 | SpeedEvil | Ass-hats. |
| 11:20.24 | pabs3 | who? |
| 11:22.26 | SpeedEvil | The idea that putting firmware as circuitry versus uploading it from the kernel is a good idea |
| 11:23.22 | pabs3 | so the FSF then, and gta04 folks for caring about the FSF's opinion |
| 11:23.26 | pabs3 | agrees |
| 11:30.00 | SpeedEvil | In the theater expression - 'Bums on seats'. |
| 11:30.15 | SpeedEvil | If you don't have them, you're not actually doing anything for software freedom at all. |
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| 12:09.34 | DocScrutinizer | http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-main/page/FirmwareInjector/ W*T*F?!!???? |
| 12:10.13 | mjr | that does seem as rather missing many, many points |
| 12:10.57 | mjr | if you're gonna use the blob firmware, fuck _where_ it's fed from |
| 12:16.50 | SpeedEvil | has sent a message along those lines to the email. |
| 12:17.26 | DocScrutinizer | exactly, as if a linux got tainted by uploading a binary data file to a peripheral interface :-P |
| 12:18.09 | DocScrutinizer | and as if that would get different when not the main CPU but an auxiliary MCU is doing the same - OMG what ignorants |
| 12:18.47 | DocScrutinizer | even RMS wasn't concerned about "black boxes that get fed binaries for initialization" |
| 12:19.08 | DocScrutinizer | back when he talked to some dude of OM - maybe he changed his mind now |
| 12:19.39 | DocScrutinizer | not that I'd give a sh*t about RMS' opinions regarding anything |
| 12:21.55 | DocScrutinizer | but honestly, I'd think nobody *really* wants a GTA04 - too low a user base, so even less developers offering ready-to-install pkgs, obviously rather hobbyist EE crew with a hybris so they rejected my offer to help with schematics proofreading or whatever. No concept at all still about FCC_et_al cert, so the device is basically illegal after all |
| 12:21.59 | DocScrutinizer | etc pp |
| 12:23.21 | SpeedEvil | I replied, noting also about steppingstone |
| 12:24.20 | DocScrutinizer | not to forget the brilliant idea to recycle the gta02 parts, which as we all know are hard to get and expensive, while there are a bazilion nice other cases and spare LCM out there for phones sold in the millions of units |
| 12:26.50 | SpeedEvil | It made sense. |
| 12:27.04 | SpeedEvil | _if_ the gta04 was brought out a few months after the 02 |
| 12:27.06 | SpeedEvil | maybe a year |
| 12:53.11 | DocScrutinizer | even then the basic idea of destroying a 200⬠device to canibalize 2 of the worst parts (case and touchscreen) is questionable |
| 12:53.41 | DocScrutinizer | esp when there are other widely available better parts out there |
| 12:53.50 | DocScrutinizer | for way less |
| 12:53.54 | DocScrutinizer | $ |
| 12:54.47 | SpeedEvil | touchscreen was a good device for 2007 |
| 12:55.12 | DocScrutinizer | the screen is good, the r-panel is kinda YUCK |
| 12:56.45 | DocScrutinizer | well, maybe I'm fastidious with Nokia's N810/900 touchpanels. Samsung OMNIA was even worse than FR regarding that |
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| 12:58.26 | DocScrutinizer | but using parts that can't be found as spare parts on ebay, or only for exorbitant pricetag, and base a new development on that... I'm all but excited about this idea |
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| 13:18.26 | h4v | is freerunner able to boot without display? |
| 13:26.12 | SpeedEvil | Seems likely |
| 13:26.23 | SpeedEvil | As far as I'm aware, there is no EDID or anything on the LCD |
| 13:26.41 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 13:27.14 | DocScrutinizer | FR definitely could boot without display attached, when I last tried with OM2008 or sth |
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| 13:39.29 | h4v | thanks, it's good to hear, there will be no waste with gta04 |
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