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| 19:38.42 | pablo | hi, someone uses the NeoFreerunner as the main phone? |
| 19:49.07 | PaulFertser | I do |
| 19:49.13 | PaulFertser | The main and the only. |
| 19:49.13 | pablo | PaulFertser: distro? |
| 19:49.34 | PaulFertser | pablo: i'm hardcore: Debian + cornucopia/fso2 self-compiled + emacs |
| 19:52.02 | pablo | PaulFertser: emacs? is emacs your "gui"? |
| 19:52.22 | PaulFertser | pablo: https://github.com/paulfertser/fso-el/wiki |
| 19:55.23 | pablo | PaulFertser: same as this one? http://wiki.wjsullivan.net/collaboration.cgi/FsoEl |
| 19:55.38 | pablo | kind of strange interface for a phone |
| 19:56.00 | PaulFertser | pablo: not same, mine is completely different. |
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| 20:00.36 | pablo | no shr users? |
| 20:02.10 | Wonka | hm, well, I do use SHR, but not as my main phone |
| 20:02.13 | Wonka | only sometimes. |
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| 20:11.46 | LionKMP | Hi all. I had a sequence to do on my Mandriva to enable OpenMoko see network. Due to some tests I made to simplify this task, I tried a few things, and now I cannot get it work anymore. |
| 20:12.06 | PaulFertser | LionKMP: what exactly is the problem? |
| 20:12.47 | LionKMP | "Network is unreachable" for anything else than my Mandriva's OpenMoko IP. (192.168.0.201) |
| 20:13.00 | LionKMP | from OpenMoko |
| 20:13.25 | PaulFertser | LionKMP: i mean "ip a; ip r; sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forward; iptables -L -v ; iptables -L -v -t nat " |
| 20:14.37 | LionKMP | is this "ip" replacing "ifconfig" and "route"? I just noticed this command in my sequence 2 mintues ago (while I am using this little 3 lines script since 2008 :) ) |
| 20:14.59 | Wonka | LionKMP: it should, IMo |
| 20:15.10 | Wonka | LionKMP: and it replaces arp too |
| 20:15.23 | LionKMP | http://pastebin.com/QQBD0Zsd output of the first 2, I try the rest. |
| 20:15.43 | PaulFertser | LionKMP: ip is the ultimate way to rule network stack in Linux, the kernel. Not portable, of course. |
| 20:16.09 | pablo | Wonka: any reason for not using it as your main phone? |
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| 20:16.45 | PaulFertser | LionKMP: also, "ip r" from your OpenMoko. |
| 20:17.04 | Wonka | pablo: not much over 4h battery life? crashing every now and then? |
| 20:17.44 | PaulFertser | Wonka: that's clearly something wrong. SHR supports suspend-to-ram and with that it'll have 140hrs in suspend (with gsm on!). |
| 20:17.46 | pablo | :s |
| 20:17.57 | LionKMP | wow this is very long http://pastebin.com/Rw7FNZjA (bottom has the OM part too) |
| 20:18.55 | Wonka | PaulFertser: well, it's SHR from about 2008, iirc |
| 20:19.35 | PaulFertser | LionKMP: "ip r a default via 192.168.0.201" on freerunner. |
| 20:19.35 | Wonka | PaulFertser: where it would constantly resume for no reason visible for me and not suspend by itself again |
| 20:19.54 | PaulFertser | Wonka: well, that's some uncool release you use then ;) |
| 20:20.10 | LionKMP | ip unknown command a |
| 20:20.25 | PaulFertser | LionKMP: route add default gw 192.168.0.201 |
| 20:21.03 | Wonka | PaulFertser: probably. how's current SHR? working? with GPRS and GPS and stuff? |
| 20:21.05 | LionKMP | PaulFertser: I try that, but note that my route -n has this line: 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 usb0 (might be wrong, but I didn't change OM, just Mandriva things) |
| 20:21.24 | PaulFertser | LionKMP: your freerunner device lacks default route :) |
| 20:21.37 | LionKMP | isn't 0.0.0.0 the default? |
| 20:21.40 | PaulFertser | Wonka: i think current shr-u works. |
| 20:21.41 | LionKMP | btw, it helped. |
| 20:21.47 | LionKMP | weird, I changed Mandriva things only! |
| 20:21.54 | Wonka | PaulFertser: I might try if I find some time |
| 20:22.01 | PaulFertser | Wonka: but no promises. |
| 20:22.08 | PaulFertser | Wonka: as i'm a debian user. |
| 20:22.21 | LionKMP | ah, 0.0.0.0 in first column is the default route! (I guess) |
| 20:22.31 | PaulFertser | LionKMP: lines 180-181 at http://pastebin.com/Rw7FNZjA clearly showed you lacked the default gw configuration on your device. |
| 20:23.19 | LionKMP | PaulFertser: ok, thank you. Well, could you help me to make this static? Both this lack of default GW, and the net forward on Mandriva? |
| 20:23.34 | LionKMP | I am tired of running a 3 lines sh script every day manually |
| 20:23.44 | LionKMP | (to enable net forward on Mandriva) |
| 20:24.02 | PaulFertser | LionKMP: you're using shorewall iptables frontend, right? I've no clue about it but i bet it supports masquerading too. |
| 20:24.03 | LionKMP | I tried to add to rc.local, but.. (hm... should try again NOW :) ) |
| 20:24.27 | PaulFertser | LionKMP: and sysctl values are configured in /etc/sysctl.conf probably or something like that, check your distro docs. |
| 20:24.30 | LionKMP | yes, Mandriva uses Shorewall. |
| 20:24.48 | LionKMP | :) ok, what about lack of default GW on OM? May it be caused by recent update? |
| 20:24.53 | PaulFertser | LionKMP: and interface configuration is likely to be handled by networkmanager, so you can just use it to configure eth3 there. |
| 20:24.54 | LionKMP | (I use "testing" versions) |
| 20:25.08 | PaulFertser | LionKMP: show your /etc/network/interfaces from the device |
| 20:25.59 | LionKMP | up route add default gw 192.168.0.200 metric 8 |
| 20:26.07 | LionKMP | it has this line, I guess that should be 201? |
| 20:26.19 | PaulFertser | LionKMP: i'd say so :) |
| 20:26.32 | PaulFertser | LionKMP: is it the only line? |
| 20:26.51 | LionKMP | no, srroy, paste: http://pastebin.com/6FJnZ4jC |
| 20:26.55 | PaulFertser | LionKMP: because you'd still have default route with it, just set incorrectly. |
| 20:27.43 | LionKMP | hey, maybe if I configure it to DHCP, then Mandriva's "Share the internet" wizard would work, MAYBE!? |
| 20:27.52 | PaulFertser | LionKMP: probably needs s^route^/sbin/route^ in there |
| 20:28.39 | LionKMP | btw, does the clock reset to you guys when you remove battery? |
| 20:28.50 | LionKMP | (file date 1970 reminded me to that question) |
| 20:29.25 | PaulFertser | LionKMP: yes, all the backup batteries died... |
| 20:29.52 | LionKMP | is there an internal batter that had shorter life time? possible to replace? |
| 20:30.10 | PaulFertser | LionKMP: yes, yes. |
| 20:30.37 | LionKMP | is there a PDF? "how-to" |
| 20:30.46 | LionKMP | (or wiki) |
| 20:31.38 | PaulFertser | LionKMP: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/schematics/GTA02/ and some posts at the openmoko-community mailing lists (sorry no link, you'd have to search for it). |
| 20:31.53 | LionKMP | ok, thanks, no problem, I'll search. |
| 20:35.05 | DocScrutinizer | LionKMP: wait a second |
| 20:36.52 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.mouser.com/catalog/632/2009.pdf http://il.farnell.com/taiyo-yuden/pas414hr-va5r/cap-0-06f-3-3v-80ohm-4-8mm-coin/dp/1853000?Ntt=PAS414HR-VA5R |
| 20:38.35 | LionKMP | is this a capactitor to use in place of the old battery? |
| 20:43.28 | LionKMP | PaulFertser: hey, I used Wifi previously, that may have killed my default route! (however I changed the commands now, rebooting already) |
| 20:43.58 | PaulFertser | LionKMP: dhclient shouldn't affect other routing entries. |
| 20:44.14 | PaulFertser | LionKMP: but what did you use to set the routing? |
| 20:44.55 | LionKMP | when? |
| 20:45.05 | PaulFertser | LionKMP: when using wifi. |
| 20:45.17 | LionKMP | Iliwi did everything automatically |
| 20:45.57 | PaulFertser | I've no idea about iliwi, if you ran it as root it might have done anything. |
| 20:49.06 | LionKMP | yes, tested again, it adds default route to Wifi, and then does not restore USB0's one. |
| 20:49.51 | PaulFertser | LionKMP: it shouldn't replace any route tough, if it does, please tell its dev. |
| 20:49.57 | PaulFertser | That he's damn wrong. |
| 20:50.42 | LionKMP | it's the Wifi connection program, so it's OK if it adds a new default I think. But should restore when exit. |
| 20:50.54 | PaulFertser | LionKMP: you do not get it |
| 20:51.19 | PaulFertser | LionKMP: it should _add_ a default route (leaving the one you already have unaltered). |
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| 20:52.22 | LionKMP | can the system live with two defaults? |
| 20:52.38 | PaulFertser | LionKMP: after it obtained the ip you should have two default route entries. Then it should remove the one it added when you disable the connection. But usb0 route would still be there. |
| 20:52.42 | PaulFertser | LionKMP: sure |
| 20:56.26 | LionKMP | hm, SHR track registration form does not work, so I cannot open a bug :( |
| 20:57.00 | LionKMP | AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'strip' ( :-D ) |
| 20:57.07 | PaulFertser | mrmoku: ^^ |
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| 21:04.00 | PaulFertser | LionKMP: Environment.find_program_in_path("udhcpc"),"-i",wireless_interface,"-n","-R" |
| 21:04.04 | PaulFertser | LionKMP: is what iliwi does |
| 21:06.09 | PaulFertser | LionKMP: can you do "udhcpc --help"? |
| 21:06.24 | LionKMP | I did, but cannot see anything related to default GW. |
| 21:06.49 | PaulFertser | LionKMP: what does -R mean? |
| 21:06.57 | LionKMP | http://pastebin.com/bL0bugwS |
| 21:08.58 | PaulFertser | LionKMP: i see. Strange. So are you sure iliwi removes your default gw on connect? Or on disconnect? |
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| 21:10.55 | LionKMP | does on some other systems too "In this bug, it's merely the udhcpc ignoring the default route and replacing it, even though it's not supposed to." https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7215 |
| 21:11.52 | LionKMP | I connected to Wifi, checked route -n in terminal on OM, and got 0.0.0.0 in the first column for eth0 only. |
| 21:13.59 | PaulFertser | LionKMP: i found out udhcpc from busybox uses an external script to set addresses and routes. |
| 21:15.18 | PaulFertser | LionKMP: default "/usr/share/udhcpc/default.script" |
| 21:15.49 | LionKMP | yes, that only exectues /etc/udhcpc.d/50default which drops default route |
| 21:16.52 | LionKMP | if not "root_is_nfs" :-D thanks guys, that's really nice, to keep at least root filesystem :) |
| 21:17.37 | LionKMP | ok, I removed those lines. test. |
| 21:18.03 | PaulFertser | LionKMP: that sucks: http://git.busybox.net/busybox/tree/examples/udhcp/simple.script |
| 21:19.31 | LionKMP | OM has a different script. (I can copy after test if you want) |
| 21:19.56 | PaulFertser | LionKMP: like this: http://git.busybox.net/busybox/tree/examples/udhcp/sample.bound ? |
| 21:20.24 | LionKMP | no, much longer, has a lot of IF-s for availabilty of "ip" command. |
| 21:20.44 | PaulFertser | LionKMP: it'd be nice to find out where it comes from and tell that person to fix it. |
| 21:21.03 | LionKMP | btw I got no new default added after I deleted the removal commands. :-( Moment. |
| 21:21.56 | PaulFertser | LionKMP: probably because "route" command sucks. |
| 21:22.09 | PaulFertser | "ip r a default via" is nice |
| 21:23.25 | LionKMP | http://pastebin.com/FvDMZHyJ (coment from 42 to 52 are mine) |
| 21:24.28 | LionKMP | so I think it did what you recommend ("ip" is in "/bin/ip", where it tries) |
| 21:25.44 | PaulFertser | LionKMP: i guess it comes from here: http://cgit.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/tree/recipes/busybox/files/simple.script?h=org.openembedded.dev |
| 21:35.45 | PaulFertser | LionKMP: it looks like you commented the relevant lines all right. |
| 21:36.26 | LionKMP | ok, thanks for your help. I'll report it on SHR Trac when it works. Your idea does not work, but the maintainer could look for solution. |
| 21:36.41 | PaulFertser | LionKMP: better take it to the OE mailing list i'd say. |
| 21:36.49 | LionKMP | e..g I tried to add a hardcoded restore of original route to the "deconfig" section of the script, but that did nothing (I am not sure it is called at all) |
| 21:36.49 | PaulFertser | LionKMP: because this is not SHR-specificy |
| 21:37.52 | PaulFertser | LionKMP: it's incorrect to delete the route in the first place. |
| 21:39.25 | LionKMP | or busybox bugzilla, what do you think? Your busybox.net links also contain the removal commands. |
| 21:39.40 | LionKMP | the only change in OE is to add "ip" support, mainly. |
| 21:40.01 | PaulFertser | LionKMP: well, busybox just provides an example. And OE is a distro, and it's up to them to use proper configuration. |
| 21:40.14 | PaulFertser | LionKMP: i'd suppose better take it to OE folks. |
| 22:10.03 | LionKMP | they disabled bugzilla, and the huge-traffic mailing list bounced my mail because I am not subscribed.. I'll try harder later :) |
| 22:10.16 | LionKMP | thanks for help. see you all. |
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| 23:38.18 | DGMurdockIII | hi |
| 23:38.33 | DGMurdockIII | do you guys now about the b2g project |
| 23:38.43 | DGMurdockIII | https://wiki.mozilla.org/B2G |
| 23:48.10 | SpeedEvil | Sounds like a bad idea on 128M of RAM |