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| 10:48.49 | DocScrutinizer | chandra (= ML + people.om.org + $random_other_OM) online again |
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| 16:16.33 | ahven | hello, any gta01+debian users around? I'm looking for the latest kernel, need some newer stuff than 2009 |
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| 19:02.26 | PaulFertser | ahven: hey |
| 19:02.43 | PaulFertser | ahven: i'm afraid nobody was testing anything newer than 2.6.29 andy-tracking on gta01... |
| 19:03.25 | PaulFertser | ahven: in fact i probably tried a new kernel once but something went wrong and i lacked enough motivation to dig deeper. |
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| 19:10.31 | ahven | PaulFertser: ok, thanks for the answer :) |
| 19:11.02 | ahven | QtMoko seems nice and fast to use |
| 19:13.25 | PaulFertser | ahven: on gta01? |
| 19:13.44 | ahven | yep |
| 19:14.19 | PaulFertser | ahven: are you still using the original battery? |
| 19:15.05 | ahven | yep, but seems that it doesn't want to charge not so well anymore, have to let it be alone for a while |
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| 19:17.14 | PaulFertser | ahven: you can use a nokia battery but you'll have to use an external charger for it. |
| 19:19.15 | ahven | remember reading about it, does it just not charge while in the phone? |
| 19:19.32 | ahven | or can the charging attempts damage the battery? |
| 19:25.42 | PaulFertser | ahven: just doesn't charge. Due to stupids from fic choosing a reference resistor according to the example in the pcf50606 datasheet and not to nokia... |
| 19:25.51 | PaulFertser | (thermistor reference i mean) |
| 19:28.21 | PaulFertser | ahven: by changing one register in pcf50606 you can make it charge at ~120mA iirc, but for that to make sense you'd have to put it to suspend to ram (as the current is also used to power the device itself). And if you do proper "poweroff" it'll start magically charge with 500mA. |
| 19:29.08 | ahven | hehe, seems easier to swap batteries in a daily basis :P |
| 19:37.33 | PaulFertser | ahven: i've bought a "bl6-c" battery on ebay for ~3EUR (free shipping) and it seems to work reasonably well (but tbh i haven't measured the actual capacity) for that price. |
| 19:38.04 | ahven | PaulFertser: http://www.dealextreme.com/p/pisen-bl-6c-replacement-3-7v-1200mah-li-ion-battery-for-nokia-7700-2110-2116-2125-more-39117 similar to this? |
| 19:39.52 | PaulFertser | ahven: probably this one is better. The one i have looks exactly like the original nokia battery, even with the hologram. |
| 20:00.34 | ahven | hmm, pretty ok so far - charge_full reports 850000 |
| 20:01.08 | ahven | andit it's at 816 already |
| 20:03.28 | PaulFertser | ahven: measuring voltage is not a really reliable way to estimate charge amount, especially during the charge process. And 850mAh is hardcoded. |
| 20:04.22 | ahven | hardcoded? |
| 20:04.37 | PaulFertser | ahven: yes, i hardcoded it as the reasonable guess about the actual battery capacity. |
| 20:05.14 | ahven | ok |
| 20:05.58 | PaulFertser | ahven: if you look at charge % it'll hopefully be somewhat indicative, but only after you unplug the charger. |
| 20:07.29 | PaulFertser | ahven: i'm using the very same driver myself now (as my gta02 battery has lost its capacity) but i can't really tell how well it works, for me it's good enough. |
| 20:14.30 | ahven | will do that, a full charge, or atleast 99, and will leave it for the night |
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| 20:24.43 | PBeck | hi |
| 20:36.51 | ahven | damn oversight, http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnNeo1973 |
| 20:37.00 | ahven | have to try this tomorrow |
| 20:37.33 | ahven | once I have determined how good is QtMoko in terms of idling with GSM on |
| 20:38.16 | PaulFertser | ahven: 2.6.24? Sounds too old ;) |
| 20:39.24 | ahven | the hardware is too :) |
| 20:39.51 | PaulFertser | ahven: also, if you are actually using your device, i'd suggest you stay with qtmoko. |
| 20:40.00 | PaulFertser | ahven: plain debian is less usable. |
| 20:40.20 | ahven | you might be right on that one |
| 20:40.43 | PaulFertser | ahven: i'm using only debian on my gta02 for two years, and it's a pain. |
| 20:40.43 | ahven | if QtMoko can function normally, I just make it my work phone :P |
| 20:41.03 | PaulFertser | ahven: i'm using self-compiled fso2 and an emacs ui. |
| 20:42.04 | ahven | well, there are more optimisations in the gta02 device, some of the bigger PM bugs are still in 01, I remember |
| 20:42.50 | ahven | that wiki page hasn't been updated for some time and nobody is actively working on it either, I presume |
| 20:46.41 | ahven | just my luck - "After a few suspend/resume cycles, bluetooth stops working. This is fixed since v24." |
| 20:46.49 | ahven | and the latest for gta01 is v24 ;) |
| 20:47.39 | ahven | though I didn't see any BT devices found |
| 20:48.30 | PaulFertser | ahven: you can do manually everything needed to get bt working. |
| 20:48.47 | PaulFertser | ahven: lsusb will tell you if the bt adapter is there. If not -- you should use some sysfs files to power it on. |
| 20:48.58 | PaulFertser | ahven: and when it's on, bluetoothd should be started. |
| 20:49.46 | ahven | will wake up the device in some 30 minutes, to find out exactly 60m battery drainage |
| 20:50.29 | PaulFertser | ahven: i've a "testbed" here consisting of a gta01 attached to a battery via ampermeter... |
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| 20:54.03 | ahven | PaulFertser: and the lowest numbers you have seen? |
| 20:54.43 | PaulFertser | ahven: i guess it was about 19mA (with manually turning off the sound amplifier with alsamixer before putting to suspend). |
| 21:00.40 | ahven | hmm, blueman actually works, do I finally use BT with a GUI program? :) |
| 21:06.19 | ahven | so in a perfect world gta01 could function 2 whole days, without doing anything with it? |
| 21:06.35 | ahven | with a perfect, 1200 mAh, battery :) |
| 21:15.27 | PaulFertser | ahven: in a perfect world a perfect developer would identify where the hell the extra current flows and would eliminate the leaks :) |
| 21:15.48 | ahven | okay, 60 minutes - 100 to 55% :) |
| 21:16.12 | ahven | the profile *should* be setting itself to sleep in 40 secs of idle |
| 21:16.46 | ahven | a) big drain, b) battery almost dead |
| 21:17.22 | PaulFertser | ahven: or probably not charged enough. While on charge it can seem having >20% more than it actually has. |
| 21:19.23 | ahven | load average: 0.19, 0.08, 0.02 |
| 21:19.41 | ahven | software seems to behave, compared to the stock software |
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| 22:07.05 | ahven | hehe... 04 has IrDA also? that was new :) |
| 22:07.33 | ahven | /s/has/going to have/ |
| 22:14.37 | ahven | is it me or this battery is bulging a bit |
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