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| 04:17.04 | linuxxr | core/shr-full-20110727-om-gta02.rootfs.ubi |
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| 04:33.22 | gkwhc | linuxxr: whats the difference between ubi and jffs2 images? |
| 04:36.24 | linuxxr | requires ubi Qi |
| 04:37.21 | linuxxr | qi-s3c2442-1.0.2-r5+gitr0+c38b062a609f1442e6a9e13005cfbdfd59a5ac0d.udfu |
| 04:37.30 | linuxxr | qi-ubi-s3c2442-1.0.2-r5+gitr0+c38b062a609f1442e6a9e13005cfbdfd59a5ac0d.udfu |
| 04:37.35 | linuxxr | see |
| 04:38.11 | linuxxr | that install didnt work |
| 04:43.51 | linuxxr | http://www.at91.com/linux4sam/bin/view/Linux4SAM/FAQ_9x5 |
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| 04:50.58 | linuxxr | http://www.at91.com/linux4sam/bin/view/Linux4SAM/FAQ_9x5 |
| 04:51.10 | linuxxr | i guess u know aLREADY |
| 04:53.14 | linuxxr | have u used v35 qtmoko? |
| 04:58.47 | linuxxr | nnnnkkk |
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| 09:41.05 | michaelis | Hello. |
| 09:42.25 | michaelis | Is openmoko working on any htc, nokia or samsung phone? |
| 09:43.59 | PaulFertser | michaelis: htc g1, nokia n900, palm pre -- the work is ongoing. |
| 09:45.13 | PaulFertser | michaelis: check the SHR project. |
| 09:45.33 | michaelis | No low/midrange phones then? |
| 09:46.22 | PaulFertser | michaelis: like what? |
| 09:46.58 | michaelis | PaulFertser: Like something below $200. |
| 09:47.46 | PaulFertser | michaelis: openmoko freerunner would be the only choice then. |
| 09:48.07 | PaulFertser | And still the only really usable for a daily cellphone. |
| 09:48.16 | PaulFertser | Others are more WiP. |
| 09:49.17 | michaelis | PaulFertser: What I really need is just a cell phone and a digital organizer running FLOSS software. |
| 09:50.24 | PaulFertser | michaelis: then openmoko freerunner gta02. But it's gprs (no edge) only. Still the only real free software-supported cellphone. |
| 09:51.07 | PaulFertser | michaelis: for voice calls you need to have a buzzfixed version (or do the buzzfix yourself, it's moderately easy for anyone who can solder). |
| 09:52.04 | michaelis | PaulFertser: And where can I buy this phone? |
| 09:53.12 | PaulFertser | michaelis: e.g. pulster.de , http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributors |
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| 09:56.00 | PaulFertser | michaelis: also golden delicious. Check the distri's websites, the prices and information on the openmoko wiki is outdated. |
| 09:57.23 | michaelis | PaulFertser: Maybe I'm forced to buy a cheap android phone, which gives me the shiverings, and wait untill the openmoko project is working properly on some other phones. |
| 10:01.44 | michaelis | PaulFertser: I wish I was able to contribute in some way. Bringing FLOSS software to the mobile market is crucial. |
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| 10:09.10 | PaulFertser | michaelis: (cheap android) unfortunately, chances of proper support of some (random) android phone by free software stack are low. |
| 10:10.43 | michaelis | PaulFertser: Really? I was thinking that as long it has a Qualcomm chipset, which I'm guessing is fairly common, then all is well. |
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| 10:14.32 | PaulFertser | michaelis: Qualcomm is such a PITA, morphis spent enormous time reverse-engineering the protocol (as part of his palm pre effort) and there're no guarantees it's not changing. |
| 10:15.29 | PaulFertser | michaelis: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Research_Pre_GSM_Modem_Protocol |
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| 10:18.24 | michaelis | PaulFertser: PITA? |
| 10:18.38 | michaelis | Pain in the as? |
| 10:20.51 | PaulFertser | michaelis: yep |
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| 10:23.19 | michaelis | PaulFertser: Sigh. Then I don't know what to buy. The Freerunner is to expensive. Maybe a non-smartphone cell phone with fairly good organizing capability, whichever that may be. |
| 10:24.50 | PaulFertser | michaelis: the freerunner is not expensive, check the current prices. |
| 10:25.00 | PaulFertser | michaelis: it is and always was among the cheapest smartphones on the market. |
| 10:25.10 | PaulFertser | michaelis: you can consider buying it used too. |
| 10:25.48 | PaulFertser | michaelis: as to the featurephones, i was quite satisfied with nokia 1100, it's damn sturdy and just works. And it can go on one charge for almost a week. |
| 10:29.31 | michaelis | PaulFertser: It's 200EUR for the Freerunner and that's much to me. And I want a digital organizer feature phone if any. |
| 10:32.57 | PaulFertser | michaelis: an alternative would be to buy some old PDA such as hx4700. It's still rather cool and has a larger screen and can be used as a portable player and is comfortable in other respects etc etc. |
| 10:36.37 | michaelis | PaulFertser: Can one sync it to the compute? |
| 10:36.47 | Sazius | I don't think you can get any smart phone below 200EUR, except with contract, but then you pay the same and more in monthly fees. |
| 10:37.23 | Sazius | (Well, at least in my country :) |
| 10:38.07 | PaulFertser | michaelis: if you install OE on it, it'll be just a regular GNU/Linux system, do whatever you want (syncml?); if you keep windows ce on it, it'll be windows ce, activesync etc. |
| 10:38.54 | michaelis | Sazius: The Samsung Galaxy Gio goes for 120EUR and then a monthly fee of 8.9EUR for the internet access. |
| 10:39.00 | PaulFertser | TBH, i'm not aware about the current state of support of PDAs by sane distros, i'd be glad if somebody chimes in and clarifies it. |
| 10:40.26 | Sazius | michaelis: OK, at least here in Finland such deals also entail being stuck with particular provider for 1-2 years... and here you can get unlimited internet data for 4,9EUR/month... |
| 10:40.58 | michaelis | Sazius: That sounds like a good deal, doesn't it? It's better than here in Sweden. |
| 10:41.24 | michaelis | PaulFertser: I'll check it out. |
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| 10:44.09 | Sazius | michaelis: yeah, well it varies from provider to provider, of course, most providers are still 8-9 euros here |
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| 10:47.01 | Sazius | my current provider has Gio too, seems to be free even, with apparently ~6 EUR/month... but then you're "slaves" to them for 2 years :P |
| 10:47.16 | michaelis | Sazius: I see. But being stuck 1-2 years isn't a big deal. Not much happens during those years. |
| 10:47.40 | Sazius | I don't like it on principle :) |
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| 10:48.28 | Sazius | I used to own an iPhone when I started to be more conserned about software freedom issues, and I couldn't wait for my period to end :) |
| 10:48.46 | Sazius | fortunately I had only 1 year period then |
| 10:49.05 | michaelis | Sazius: I understand. I don't like android by principle. |
| 10:49.42 | michaelis | I too would like FLOSS software on my cell phone. That's why I haven't got any personal cell phone. |
| 10:50.04 | Sazius | I have a freerunner, but I use it mostly for GPS. |
| 10:53.39 | michaelis | Sazius: What is the difference between gprs and 3g? |
| 10:54.15 | Sazius | My day-to-day phone for SMS and calls is a 25EUR Samsung dumb-phone :) |
| 10:54.35 | Sazius | michaelis: well, gprs is slower than 3g :) |
| 10:55.26 | Sazius | biggest problem for me with the Freerunner was to find a distro that works without too much fuss :) |
| 10:56.39 | Sazius | I settled for QtMoko, which works OK, but if you expect something like a modern Android or iPhone you're going to be disappointed :) |
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| 10:59.01 | michaelis | Sazius: Im not much for eye-candy and modernity. I want it plain and simple, stable and working. |
| 10:59.31 | Sazius | yeah, but stable and working might be problems as well :) |
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| 10:59.48 | michaelis | Sazius: Really? |
| 11:00.48 | Sazius | I don't know about others in this channel, but I've always had some stability problems, even with QtMoko. |
| 11:01.00 | Sazius | Not severe, but some. |
| 11:01.43 | michaelis | Sazius: By the way, is there a GTKMoko? |
| 11:01.58 | michaelis | Moko based on GTK/GNOME? |
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| 11:04.34 | Sazius | Hmm, not as far as I know. |
| 11:05.04 | Sazius | most popular distributions can be seen here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions |
| 11:05.41 | Sazius | of those I've tried SHR, Debian, QtMoko and Android |
| 11:07.52 | michaelis | Sazius: Then it's Debian for me, if I will ever afford the phone. |
| 11:08.28 | Sazius | Debian is cool, but quite a lot of work to set up. |
| 11:08.48 | Sazius | but then you get real debian :) |
| 11:09.55 | michaelis | Sazius: Debian is good, yes. And it's also one of the few distros, if not the only one, that calls it's distro GNU/Linux and that's important to me. |
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| 11:11.22 | xarragon | Sazius: unlimited internet data? Even with tethering? |
| 11:12.25 | xarragon | Sazius: I have a Telenor dongle for my internet connectivity, 199 SEK / ~30USD a month with no binding period, and I've pushed up to 90 Gb a month without being throttled. |
| 11:14.09 | michaelis | xarragon: I have dongle with Tele2 for which I pay 169 SEK/month and for that I get 10GB free download and 6-7 Mb/s download speed. After that it's being throttled. |
| 11:16.47 | xarragon | My cell is so overloaded that I can't really use streaming video at evenings anyway, so bittorrent is the natural choice for me. |
| 11:19.32 | xarragon | michaelis: I've tried a Tele2 dongle as well, and they have much lighter load overall and better response, but that was on an unlimited pro plan. |
| 11:19.45 | michaelis | xarragon: I see. |
| 11:20.01 | michaelis | By the way, any automation engineers here? |
| 11:22.58 | Sazius | xarragon: well "unlimited", probably there is some limit, but I've never used it that heavily :) |
| 11:24.30 | Sazius | michaelis: yeah, like Debian too, it's my only operating system on my main computer |
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| 11:44.30 | xarragon | Sazius: Yeah, I was deliberately pushing mine to see what happened. |
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| 13:03.29 | gena2x | hi all. i am thinking to buy some phone, cause of bad call sound quality on my FR and death of original battery. Basically I want some thing where I can install debian and hack it as much as i want, and with HW keyboard. So wondering is N900 still best thing to buy? |
| 13:03.57 | gena2x | is fso usable on n900 now? |
| 13:05.24 | gena2x | (of course not taking n950 in account) |
| 13:09.48 | SpeedEvil | looks at his 'your n950 has been shipped' email. |
| 13:09.55 | SpeedEvil | More seriously. |
| 13:10.05 | SpeedEvil | As I uderstand it - batteries may be on ebay. |
| 13:10.29 | SpeedEvil | N900 has meego-ce, which is completely open-source |
| 13:10.39 | SpeedEvil | I'm not sure if there is a debian image as such |
| 13:11.24 | SpeedEvil | There is easy-debian of course. |
| 13:11.53 | SpeedEvil | debian in a chroot |
| 13:15.30 | gena2x | i can find battery only on golden delicious, but i guess they will not send it here, even if they send price will be like $100, also i geuss they are quite old and not much better than mine old one |
| 13:15.54 | SpeedEvil | Possibly - it was a while ago I last looke. |
| 13:16.37 | SpeedEvil | Also - it's getting to the point where it's unlikely you'll be able to fin a n900 for sale neww, with warranty. |
| 13:16.42 | SpeedEvil | If that matters to you. |
| 13:16.56 | gena2x | and now so many blond girls bought n900 and selling it so cheap |
| 13:17.56 | SpeedEvil | Used ones seem to be going 120 to 180 quid on ebay |
| 13:18.09 | SpeedEvil | Which isn't bad at all |
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| 13:22.10 | gena2x | for $200 warranty doesn't matter |
| 13:22.40 | gena2x | but anyway, is n900 is still most open phone? |
| 13:23.20 | SpeedEvil | REgrettably. |
| 13:23.42 | SpeedEvil | (From the point of view of the market, I like mine) |
| 13:25.15 | mjr | I've heard n900s have been getting traded for some other symbian phones in warranty replacements anyway :( |
| 13:26.30 | SpeedEvil | Yes - n8 |
| 13:26.38 | gena2x | heh |
| 13:26.46 | SpeedEvil | They're apparantly not getting new boards made. |
| 13:27.04 | SpeedEvil | I hope the n9 comes out, so I can try my luck for a warranty replacement of the n900 |
| 13:27.24 | SpeedEvil | comes out before November |
| 13:28.05 | gena2x | n9 without keyboard afair |
| 13:28.49 | gena2x | without keyboard better to wait gta04 :) |
| 13:29.35 | gena2x | why this strange guys not selling n950? |
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| 13:30.18 | SpeedEvil | Barking madness. |
| 13:30.24 | SpeedEvil | Indeed. |
| 13:30.49 | SpeedEvil | However, I have a somewhat broken n900 - cellmo is dodgy on 900MHz - and swapping it for a n9 might be useful. |
| 13:30.57 | SpeedEvil | Especially if I have a n950 |
| 13:31.57 | gena2x | Ok, i'll make that blond girl happy and buy her n900 today... |
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| 14:11.51 | gkwhc | michaelis: are you interested in getting an Openmoko Freerunner? i am thinking of selling mine. where are you located? |
| 14:12.14 | michaelis | gkwhc: I'm located in Sweden. |
| 14:12.42 | michaelis | gkwhc: May I ask why you are selling? |
| 14:12.47 | gkwhc | michaelis: oh cool! Im located in US |
| 14:13.39 | gkwhc | michaelis: I want a smaller phone (not smartphone) :) |
| 14:13.59 | michaelis | gkwhc: I see. |
| 14:14.17 | michaelis | gkwhc: What do you want for it? |
| 14:15.37 | gkwhc | michaelis: what do you think about 195 EU? |
| 14:16.07 | gkwhc | comes with charging, adapters, headphones |
| 14:16.49 | gkwhc | it looks pretty new as i havent used it much |
| 14:16.51 | michaelis | gkwhc: Maybe there's something I'm missing here but I can get a new one for 200 EUR. |
| 14:17.11 | gena2x | (throw away original headphones in advance) |
| 14:17.44 | gkwhc | michaelis: oh really?! hmm, what did you have in mind? |
| 14:17.47 | gena2x | (ask which hw patches applied, buzzfix is must have) |
| 14:18.26 | gena2x | (#1024 fix is also extremly useful) |
| 14:20.16 | michaelis | gkwhc: What hw patches have you applied? Is there buzzfix? What about #1024 fix? |
| 14:20.31 | Sazius | pulster.de has new FR for 199 EUR |
| 14:22.41 | gkwhc | michaelis: i have not touched the hardware in any way. as i said, i havent used it much. the FR has android on it atm and #1024 isnt a problem, probably because it disabled deep sleep |
| 14:23.46 | michaelis | gkwhc: Well, you must understand that I cannot buy the phone when I can get a new one for the same price. |
| 14:24.40 | gkwhc | michaelis: i understand, so thats why i was asking what you had in mind. |
| 14:25.24 | michaelis | gkwhc: To be honest I don't know. I have to go now because I have quit work but I'll get back to you some other day, if you haven't sold it by then. |
| 14:25.51 | gkwhc | michaelis: no problem. bye! |
| 14:25.51 | michaelis | I'll have to think about it. |
| 14:25.51 | gkwhc | sure thing |
| 14:25.53 | michaelis | Bye and thanks for the offer. |
| 14:25.57 | gkwhc | :) |
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| 15:11.07 | chomwitt | in shr how can i start contacts or dialer from command line? |
| 15:23.44 | gkwhc | chomwitt: iirc phoneui-dialer |
| 15:23.53 | gkwhc | well thats in debian |
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| 15:47.02 | Wonka | hrmpf |
| 15:48.00 | Wonka | what can be wrong when my debugboard's serial port tries to do TX with about 1V only? |
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| 22:02.46 | Abyssum | hi ppl |
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| 22:42.11 | Abyssum | the platin of the freerunner is somehow big... but theres no simular device like it -.- |
| 23:14.55 | SpeedEvil | N900 is about it. |
| 23:14.58 | SpeedEvil | At the moment. |
| 23:15.21 | SpeedEvil | GTA04 in the nearish future ideally. |
| 23:15.36 | SpeedEvil | There is nothing else as open on the horizon. |
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| 23:17.36 | Abyssum | hm ya... |
| 23:23.57 | Abyssum | lol this bug labs handys... too big and ugly xD |
| 23:26.08 | gena2x | f##k! so i have to solder mini-usb in advance on my 'new' n900?.. Why in hell it can't accept hex wifi PSK??? |
| 23:26.33 | Abyssum | o.o |
| 23:26.58 | Abyssum | why in hell you using hex wifi psk :P |
| 23:27.14 | gena2x | cause this is only way to have secure wifi |
| 23:27.24 | DocScrutinizer | ~usbfix |
| 23:27.24 | apt | Fixate receptacle like this: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=547991#post547991 - get the pic.zip form there http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=870017&postcount=27 for details how to deal with contact pads came off, or >>NEVER use epoxy glue!<< |
| 23:27.31 | Abyssum | rofl |
| 23:28.00 | DocScrutinizer | micro-usb! |
| 23:28.29 | DocScrutinizer | and wtf is hex more secure than a simple ascii passphrase? |
| 23:28.37 | SpeedEvil | Because it is |
| 23:28.57 | SpeedEvil | Passphrases with limited length have a constrained entropy |
| 23:29.06 | DocScrutinizer | meh |
| 23:29.26 | SpeedEvil | Allowing hex too doubles or more the entropy per bit |
| 23:30.21 | DocScrutinizer | maybe per byte |
| 23:32.09 | DocScrutinizer | anyway I don't think it's a difference if you need 10^7 or 10^11 years to run a succeeding brute force attack |
| 23:33.36 | SpeedEvil | passphrases can also allow rainbow tables. |
| 23:33.39 | Abyssum | the aliens would brute force your password in seconds xD |
| 23:33.54 | DocScrutinizer | and copying the 64digit hex key via internet and web browser as it's too complex to copy it manually, well I think that more than compensates for any "added security" by such a complex key |
| 23:34.10 | Abyssum | never forget to wear your aluminium helmet :P |
| 23:34.31 | DocScrutinizer | Abyssum: indeed |
| 23:35.37 | SpeedEvil | There are also logging threats. |
| 23:35.57 | SpeedEvil | Of people randomly who go round logging your data, and then accidentally lose it. |
| 23:36.12 | Abyssum | for sure and they will sell it to the pentagon |
| 23:36.15 | DocScrutinizer | yeah and all of this gets cured by copying a 64hex key via brwoser and internet |
| 23:36.24 | SpeedEvil | Which increasing technological advancement and CPU ... |
| 23:36.42 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: please stop kidding us :-D |
| 23:36.46 | Abyssum | and never use a cellphone... we are not alone xD |
| 23:36.54 | gena2x | cellphone |
| 23:36.56 | gena2x | ehh |
| 23:37.20 | gena2x | sharing your location with goverment |
| 23:37.25 | Abyssum | lol |
| 23:37.46 | gena2x | stop using phone (sharing your talks with goverment) |
| 23:37.52 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: sorry my calculator failed to evaluate the size of a rainbow table for 26^32 |
| 23:38.10 | DocScrutinizer | and that was only for lower case characters |
| 23:38.45 | DocScrutinizer | for a key consisting only of lowercase and length 32char |
| 23:38.56 | DocScrutinizer | BWAHAHAHA |
| 23:38.57 | gena2x | stop talking because your friend may work for goverment |
| 23:39.09 | Abyssum | and why should someone be interested in your data... |
| 23:39.23 | gena2x | why should it be open for everyone? |
| 23:39.25 | SpeedEvil | An english passphrase is not 26^32 |
| 23:39.30 | Abyssum | to see your porn cause hes lonelier than you are? xD |
| 23:40.00 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: please stop nitpicking! |
| 23:40.15 | gena2x | i can give you simple reason |
| 23:40.24 | DocScrutinizer | the original question was "why the f*ck do you need 64hex key?" |
| 23:40.45 | gena2x | imagine someone connecting your wifi and breaking few bank accounts. |
| 23:41.08 | SpeedEvil | More simple solution. |
| 23:41.14 | Abyssum | woho this can be in usa maybe :P |
| 23:41.20 | Abyssum | but in switzerland never xD |
| 23:41.23 | SpeedEvil | You already have a hex key set on other devices. |
| 23:41.45 | Abyssum | lol |
| 23:41.46 | DocScrutinizer | MEH |
| 23:41.53 | Abyssum | SpeedEvil, buy a girlfriend :P |
| 23:43.12 | SpeedEvil | I can't find the right category on ebay. |
| 23:43.12 | DocScrutinizer | honestly a 14 random ascii key is just save enough, even for CIA and NSA |
| 23:43.48 | Abyssum | SpeedEvil, you have to use the thai-version of ebay xD |
| 23:44.15 | DocScrutinizer | as in "it's WAY SIMPLER to penetrate the system by other means than to crack the key" |
| 23:44.37 | gena2x | hey guys i were talking about serious issues :) |
| 23:44.56 | DocScrutinizer | and copying the key via browser, sorry I stll gasp |
| 23:45.04 | Abyssum | lol |
| 23:45.06 | DocScrutinizer | from laughing |
| 23:45.36 | SpeedEvil | And a 14 random ascii key assumes a sensible underlying algorithm. Not WEP forex |
| 23:45.49 | DocScrutinizer | WTF? |
| 23:46.18 | DocScrutinizer | how would you even USE a 64hex key on WEP?? And HOW THE F*CK would that help? |
| 23:46.31 | SpeedEvil | Well - you can use a 26 hex |
| 23:46.33 | Abyssum | wep xD |
| 23:46.36 | SpeedEvil | As I did. |
| 23:46.37 | Abyssum | cracked in seconds :P |
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| 23:49.09 | Abyssum | puh... |
| 23:49.14 | Abyssum | cant stop laughing :P |
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| 23:50.31 | DocScrutinizer | Abyssum: killing you now! ;-P |
| 23:50.42 | DocScrutinizer | >>I just bought one, and want to setup wifi password, it's a 64 characters and seem i can't enter it without mistakes :) so, i push it into file into web. question is - it has no wget, how to paste contents of file from web into clipboard with default installation?<< |
| 23:51.25 | Abyssum | lol |
| 23:52.08 | gena2x | i sense doc here |
| 23:52.22 | gena2x | let's look into logs... |
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| 23:53.19 | DocScrutinizer | you better don't lookinto logs, to work around your own /ignore settings! :-P |
| 23:53.23 | gena2x | ahehe, yes doc, i thought i am doing mistakes in my wifi password, but actually it is just not possible to enter it at all |
| 23:54.24 | gena2x | so, i found this very funny procedure: http://micxer.de/blog/archives/42-How-to-use-your-existing-HEX-key-for-WPA2.html which involve xml generation |
| 23:55.35 | Abyssum | lol |
| 23:55.57 | Abyssum | stop using hex keys and start living as humans :P |
| 23:56.29 | gena2x | ok, now i can have fun to see your wrinting again |
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