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| 13:20.05 | gkwhc | Hi, I have two quick questions about the Freerunner. We can use fingers on the touch screen instead of the digitizer pen right? And if I were to use a digitizer pen, will any kind do? |
| 13:23.41 | zear | gkwhc, you can touch it with anything |
| 13:23.43 | zear | anything will do |
| 13:24.07 | gkwhc | zear: ok thanks! |
| 13:24.13 | zear | i personally don't like to use fingers because it leaves fingerprints and on the disto i use everything's so tiny i prefer to use a stylus instead |
| 13:24.25 | zear | but fingers naturally work |
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| 13:24.47 | zear | it also doesn't have a multitouch, in case you're wondering |
| 13:24.52 | gkwhc | i wonder how tiny it is compared to other phones |
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| 13:25.13 | zear | gkwhc, it's quite bulky, but fits to the pocket |
| 13:26.19 | gkwhc | zear: yeah thats my otheer concern on getting a freerunner..plus the tiny screen/font |
| 13:26.23 | zear | what i dislike about the design is the screen is kind of "sunked" into the screen |
| 13:26.33 | zear | which means, it's about 3-4mm below the case level |
| 13:26.45 | gkwhc | ah right |
| 13:26.57 | zear | so it's hard to touch near the edges of the screen if you use your fingers to type |
| 13:27.26 | gkwhc | yeah |
| 13:28.20 | zear | *sunken :P |
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| 13:28.28 | gkwhc | zear: what are other pros you like about freerunner? |
| 13:28.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | zear: *sunk :) |
| 13:29.06 | zear | Kamping_Kaiser, ;P |
| 13:29.20 | zear | gkwhc, i don't really like it tbh |
| 13:29.28 | zear | i like how it runs linux |
| 13:29.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | (: |
| 13:29.37 | zear | but that's pretty much all |
| 13:29.43 | gkwhc | i see |
| 13:29.45 | zear | the fps is low |
| 13:29.52 | zear | about 1-2fps in 480x640 mode |
| 13:30.01 | gkwhc | oh |
| 13:30.03 | zear | but that's a hardware issue |
| 13:30.16 | zear | so you can't really fix that |
| 13:30.32 | zear | there are no real drivers for the gpu |
| 13:30.59 | gkwhc | hmm |
| 13:31.01 | zear | it can make calls and send sms, but that's what a $10 phone can do as well |
| 13:31.58 | gkwhc | oh yeah how is the texting? is it fast? and does it need a digi pen? |
| 13:32.08 | zear | depends on the software |
| 13:32.18 | zear | what's a digi pen, btw? A stylus? |
| 13:32.53 | zear | for example, the distro i use is SHR and it has a very tiny on-screen keyboard |
| 13:32.54 | gkwhc | er yeah |
| 13:33.04 | gkwhc | oh okay |
| 13:33.12 | zear | but you can install other on-screen keyboards |
| 13:33.15 | zear | or even write your own one ;) |
| 13:33.30 | gkwhc | nice |
| 13:34.04 | gkwhc | i prefer to have something that works, is easy to use, and very configurable/customizable/hackable |
| 13:34.26 | zear | freerunner matches only the last one |
| 13:34.33 | gkwhc | yeah thats whati thought too |
| 13:34.43 | zear | there are distros that are easy to use |
| 13:34.45 | zear | like qtmoko |
| 13:34.50 | zear | but they don't run on X11 |
| 13:35.01 | zear | so 90% of software written for the freerunner won't work with it |
| 13:35.28 | zear | gkwhc, also, freerunner boot time is sloow |
| 13:35.38 | zear | a couple of minutes |
| 13:35.43 | gkwhc | WHAT?! |
| 13:36.03 | zear | well, it has to boot the whole operating system, deamons and stuff |
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| 13:36.55 | zear | gkwhc, i'd say you ask some other guys here though, i'm pretty much only familiar with the SHR distro |
| 13:37.02 | zear | maybe some other distros are more usable/faster |
| 13:37.31 | gkwhc | i see |
| 13:38.07 | gkwhc | i am still debating whether I should get one or not. its priced fairly high for a phone thats only hackable |
| 13:41.26 | zear | i just got one for 50EUR few days ago |
| 13:41.45 | zear | a second one that is, the one i bought at the release day was quite expensive ;) |
| 13:44.28 | gkwhc | the one im looking at in the US is $100 |
| 13:44.31 | gkwhc | used |
| 13:46.48 | zear | that's still a fair price i guess |
| 13:47.38 | gkwhc | about 70EUR |
| 13:48.32 | zear | although, freerunner is slow and it doesn't have any fancy 3d apps like android or iphone |
| 13:48.43 | zear | so if you decide to buy it, you have to remember about that |
| 13:49.06 | zear | and a basic linux knowledge is recommended |
| 13:49.11 | gkwhc | okay. im not much of a gamer, so not having 3d is fine |
| 13:49.12 | zear | if only to flash the firmware |
| 13:49.51 | gkwhc | i wonder if itt could let me hack the low level stuff, like the microprocessor, etc |
| 13:49.55 | zear | i personally use it for a good 3 years as a phone + gps device |
| 13:49.58 | zear | and it works well as that |
| 13:50.23 | zear | gkwhc, it can let you do as much, as a desktop linux does |
| 13:50.42 | gkwhc | thats good |
| 13:51.12 | zear | besides the cpu architecture (x86 vs arm), it's like a normal desktop linux |
| 13:51.33 | zear | and you even have a usb host for plugging external devices |
| 13:51.44 | gkwhc | haha yeah |
| 14:00.56 | gkwhc | I just found out it has a 2.5mm stereo jack, not the popular 3.5mm |
| 14:02.27 | zear | ah yea, and it doesn't really work tbh ;) |
| 14:02.50 | gkwhc | lol would you please clarify? |
| 14:03.18 | zear | like, i think (i might be wrong) that the channels are switched and in the headphones where the left and right channels should be, left and microphone are, or something among these lines |
| 14:03.50 | gkwhc | oh |
| 14:03.55 | zear | because the music plays for both channels only if i plug the headhones half the way in (so only the first 2 "pins" touch) |
| 14:04.08 | gkwhc | interesting |
| 14:04.14 | zear | but maybe that's something wrong with my freerunner/headphones |
| 14:04.32 | gkwhc | have you looked up any bugs on that? |
| 14:04.52 | zear | not really, since i have a separate device for music listening ;) |
| 14:05.04 | gkwhc | mhm |
| 14:05.32 | zear | and it doesn't mute the speakers by the hardware when you plug the headphones in |
| 14:05.43 | zear | so it's up to the system to detect the headphones and mutethe speakers |
| 14:05.56 | gkwhc | i see |
| 14:06.20 | zear | so there's a chance sometimes the system might not mute them for some reason |
| 14:06.43 | gkwhc | yeah |
| 14:06.43 | zear | or perhaps some systems don't have that feature at all ;D |
| 14:07.02 | gkwhc | lets hope it doesnt/wont happen at all |
| 14:07.08 | zear | yea ;) |
| 14:09.25 | gkwhc | does it have volumee buttons? |
| 14:09.29 | zear | nope |
| 14:10.18 | gkwhc | ok |
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| 14:32.19 | zear | hmm.. i got a kernel panic after flashing my freerunner with qtmoko |
| 14:33.57 | gkwhc | uhoh |
| 14:34.11 | zear | "can't get kernel image" is the message |
| 14:34.26 | zear | this is a new freerunner i just got by mail, maybe the nand is damaged? |
| 14:34.36 | zear | i just reflashed the kernel, but it still panics |
| 14:35.10 | gkwhc | quick question, can a triband of 900/1800/1900 be used in the US? |
| 14:36.06 | zear | no idea |
| 14:36.19 | gkwhc | ok |
| 14:38.05 | jluis | gkwhc, I remember seeing in the ML that they work (but I don't remember who reported it) |
| 14:38.19 | gkwhc | jluis: okay, thanks! |
| 14:38.47 | zear | oh, nevermind with my panic issue, i had to reflash qi with the one from qtmoko repo |
| 14:41.15 | mjr | gkwhc, yes, _but_ a 850/1800/1900 would have better coverage especially outside cities and such |
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| 14:42.04 | gkwhc | mjr: ah i see, thanks! |
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| 16:20.00 | zear | guys, can you recommend me a stable gta02 distribution with full hardware support (phone, gps, wifi, bt, etc) |
| 16:20.10 | zear | i just tried qtmoko, but that pretty much freezes once in a while |
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| 16:30.42 | Sazius | zear: I fould my qtmoko freezing problems were fixed by making sure it uses swap, without swap I think it'll freeze if you use too much memory |
| 16:35.17 | Sazius | after making that fix I find qtmoko to be the most stable and mature distro |
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| 17:24.54 | zear | Sazius, ah, thanks for the hint |
| 17:25.12 | zear | any particular steps i need to take to create swap for qtmoko? |
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| 17:27.56 | Sazius | zear: I don't have it close by now, but I think I had setup the swap on the SD card, then you just need a swap partition on the card then enable it from the command line with swapon... |
| 17:28.19 | zear | ah |
| 17:28.38 | zear | so it involves messing with the boot scripts |
| 17:28.47 | Sazius | not really |
| 17:28.59 | zear | well, you have to execute swapon at some point |
| 17:29.24 | Sazius | I think it's enough to have the swap partition in /etc/fstab |
| 17:29.30 | zear | also, are there any decent on-screen keyboards for qtmoko? |
| 17:29.34 | Sazius | and then run swapon once |
| 17:30.02 | Sazius | qtmoko has several, decent or not, it's for you to decide :) |
| 17:30.08 | zear | i'm trying to set up a working system on a freerunner i'll give to my brother (he's a regular user who doesn't know about linux) |
| 17:30.18 | zear | and he's been complaining alot about qtmoko's keyboard |
| 17:30.28 | zear | all of the default ones are sucky tbh |
| 17:30.59 | zear | need something that can be typed with fingers and that is positioned correctly in different apps (the default keyboard is something displayed partially out of the screen) |
| 17:31.09 | Sazius | yeah, I'm afraid you're right :) and I don't know of any others unfortunately |
| 17:31.17 | zear | *something/sometimes |
| 17:31.32 | Sazius | there are several default once, that you can switch between |
| 17:31.39 | zear | yes, we've tried them all |
| 17:31.42 | zear | they all sucked |
| 17:31.42 | Sazius | ok |
| 17:32.10 | zear | we also trying making a call, but the system freezed on answering an incoming call :OP |
| 17:32.10 | Sazius | you can also run Android on the freerunner, which is otherwise pretty nice but rather slow |
| 17:32.12 | zear | * :P |
| 17:32.21 | zear | we've tried android as well |
| 17:32.26 | zear | so far it was the worst of all the systems |
| 17:32.45 | zear | currently we're testing hackable, but it's very unstable |
| 17:33.03 | zear | and i thought SHR i use on my freerunner for years was terrible |
| 17:33.10 | Sazius | heh :) |
| 17:33.12 | zear | but so far SHR is ultra stable compared to the other distros ;P |
| 17:33.18 | Sazius | oh :) |
| 17:33.33 | Sazius | I've settled for qtmoko myself, has been pretty stable for me |
| 17:33.36 | zear | like, it's slow, but it has never freezed for me |
| 17:33.49 | Sazius | but I don't use it as my main phone |
| 17:35.10 | zear | i hope we can find something that's decent as a phone distro |
| 17:35.22 | zear | i wouldn't like my brother to return to his crappy lg cookie |
| 17:38.53 | Sazius | some people use Debian but that requires a lot of setup to get it right |
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