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| 02:00.12 | pabs3 | wonders if DocScrutinizer had any luck |
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| 05:46.03 | pabs3 | anyone know if intone supports flac? |
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| 06:00.16 | pabs3 | gah, intone crashes scanning my music |
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| 06:37.43 | DocScrutinizer | always did for me |
| 06:38.23 | pabs3 | didn't when I first scanned it in |
| 06:38.43 | DocScrutinizer | never got it to work, so I gave up on it |
| 06:39.08 | DocScrutinizer | esp since FR isn't really a great MP3 player anyway ;-P |
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| 06:49.54 | pabs3 | it was my first MP3 player so yeah. most of the time the OS was broken enough that intone was my only use for my FR |
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| 08:46.54 | blindcoder | morning |
| 08:47.21 | blindcoder | I have a checkout of shr-unstable here and am trying to create a patch to submit |
| 08:47.46 | blindcoder | when I run OE om-gta02@shr ~/shr-unstable/openembedded/recipes $ git diff |
| 08:47.50 | blindcoder | I get the following error: |
| 08:47.56 | blindcoder | error: object directory .git/objects/replace git object reference with relative path echo ../../../../openembedded/.git/objects/ git checkout master does not |
| 08:48.01 | blindcoder | what am I doing wrong here? |
| 08:48.39 | pabs3 | sounds like your repo is broken, try git fsck |
| 08:48.45 | pabs3 | or check out again |
| 08:50.04 | blindcoder | pabs3: it's a clean checkout using the Makefile from yesterday |
| 08:50.10 | blindcoder | I only made one bb -k shr-image |
| 08:50.27 | blindcoder | then edited one file with vim and ran bb package |
| 08:50.51 | blindcoder | wow |
| 08:51.01 | blindcoder | git fsck reports metric fsckton of errors |
| 08:51.10 | blindcoder | *sigh* I'll never understand git |
| 08:51.18 | blindcoder | a clean checkout... and it's horribly broken already |
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| 09:09.08 | Heinervdm | blindcoder: just commit your changes and then use git format-patch |
| 09:09.46 | blindcoder | OE om-gta02@shr ~/shr-unstable/openembedded/recipes/fltk $ git commit fltkhackdiet_svn.bb |
| 09:09.49 | blindcoder | error: object directory .git/objects/replace git object reference with relative path echo ../../../../openembedded/.git/objects/ git checkout master does not |
| 09:10.03 | blindcoder | commit impossible :/ |
| 09:10.35 | blindcoder | that line continues with: exist; check .git/objects/info/alternates. |
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| 09:31.31 | jluis | blindcoder: see if http://ibot.rikers.org/%23openmoko-cdevel/20110606.html.gz starting at 13:30 |
| 09:32.12 | jluis | can help in your problem |
| 09:35.31 | blindcoder | jluis: thanks, looks like lxsameer has fixed it, sadly he doesn't say how :( |
| 09:35.37 | blindcoder | and I know nothing about git |
| 09:35.55 | blindcoder | but when I use a fresh "make setup-shr-chroot" then git seems to work |
| 09:36.10 | blindcoder | I'll try to use a fresh setup for patch submission |
| 09:37.32 | jluis | ~seen lxsameer |
| 09:37.41 | apt | lxsameer <~lxsameer@unaffiliated/lxsameer> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko-cdevel, 14d 16h 31m 25s ago, saying: 'mrmoku: Notice: An email has been sent to lxsameer@gnu.org with a token to verify your new email address '. |
| 09:42.03 | jluis | blindcoder: are you using shr-chroot? |
| 09:42.08 | blindcoder | jluis: yes |
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| 09:42.25 | michelem | hello golks |
| 09:42.28 | blindcoder | jluis: I followed http://shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Building%20SHR |
| 09:44.02 | jluis | what do you have on /OE/shr-unstable/openembedded/.git/objects/info/alternates |
| 09:44.15 | jluis | form the chroot |
| 09:44.31 | blindcoder | replace git object reference with relative path echo ../../../../openembedded/.git/objects/ git checkout master |
| 09:45.28 | blindcoder | that's the content of the file |
| 09:47.36 | michelem | I replicated a system with dump/restore from a 16GB uSD card to a new 8GB one. System was 700M. The new card boots weird: the kernel starts, then panics with "not synching: No init found. Try passing init= option to the kernel" |
| 09:49.12 | jluis | edit the line to have "/OE/openembedded/.git/objects" or "../../openembedded/.git/objects" |
| 09:49.51 | michelem | the Power button 10s shut down does not work, and the LED blinks red |
| 09:50.01 | michelem | any clue how I can debug this? |
| 09:50.40 | michelem | mounting the new uSD on another host works fine, and fsck -f shows FS clean |
| 09:52.14 | blindcoder | so just remove two ../ ? |
| 09:56.06 | jluis | blindcoder: and the "replace git ..." it only need the path ( relative or absolute to the object repository) |
| 09:57.22 | blindcoder | ah, okay |
| 09:58.05 | blindcoder | jluis: works now, thanks! |
| 09:58.13 | blindcoder | but where does that line come from? |
| 10:00.04 | blindcoder | okay, I have the commit and I have the format-patch output |
| 10:00.20 | blindcoder | where do I send the patch now? I've been unsubscribed from the mailinglists for a while |
| 10:00.34 | jluis | it comes from the makefile |
| 10:01.00 | blindcoder | ah |
| 10:01.16 | blindcoder | should I send the patch to shr-devel@lists...? |
| 10:03.19 | jluis | or to openembedded-devel |
| 10:06.15 | blindcoder | I'm not sure if openembedded is interested in my small fltkhackdiet program ;) |
| 10:07.40 | jluis | the recipe is in openemdedded so somebody was interested on it |
| 10:08.09 | jluis | s/openemdedded/openembedded/ |
| 10:09.04 | jluis | michelem: what kernel and bootloader are you using? |
| 10:09.41 | michelem | kernel is 2.6.32 I believe, BL is Qi |
| 10:16.49 | jluis | what distro ? I think that no distro ships now with 2.6.32 |
| 10:17.58 | jluis | also the contents of boot and could help |
| 10:18.58 | michelem | distro is Debian Squeeze |
| 10:19.11 | michelem | well, it's on the same phone |
| 10:19.27 | michelem | the old card boots, then I dumped and restored it on a new card, the new card does not work |
| 10:19.40 | michelem | is there a way to get the kernel messages on the phone? |
| 10:22.48 | jluis | holding down the power button during the start increases the verbosity of kernel messages |
| 10:23.23 | michelem | good to know |
| 10:24.06 | michelem | uhm |
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| 10:24.24 | jluis | I'm seaching in the mail the kernel parameter to slow-down the card reads |
| 10:24.48 | michelem | I was just about to ask :) |
| 10:25.59 | michelem | VFS says root FS mounted |
| 10:35.40 | jluis | searching for the parm I found that 2.6.32 was failling on some SD see http://www.mail-archive.com/shr-user@lists.shr-project.org/msg05212.html |
| 10:47.35 | michelem | seems relevant; the only catch, those refer ability to read the partition tables, whereas I get VFS: root mounted, so I expect the partition table to be read at least |
| 10:47.59 | michelem | btw, is that glamo_mci.sd_max_clk=5000000 a kernel parameter? |
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| 10:57.07 | PaulFertser | michelem: that's the maximum frequency used by the SD card controller. |
| 10:57.33 | michelem | PaulFertser: yes, but where do I set it? can I set it at runtime with sysctl? |
| 10:57.34 | jluis | I think soo see also the thread at http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td6066048 that I tink is more apropiate |
| 10:58.00 | PaulFertser | michelem: you can set it runtime by "echoing" in /sys/modules/glamo_mci/parameters/sd_max_clk |
| 10:58.08 | PaulFertser | michelem: or with kernel command line of course. |
| 10:58.12 | PaulFertser | (on boot) |
| 10:58.30 | michelem | I guess mine can be a clock problem. The part table is read, FS mounted, but init is not read. Bus may fail on larger read()s |
| 10:58.40 | michelem | PaulFertser: k, thanks |
| 10:59.51 | michelem | true I cannot pass custom arguments to the kernel with Qi? |
| 11:00.22 | PaulFertser | michelem: if you boot from uSD you can use /boot/append-GTA02 |
| 11:00.30 | PaulFertser | michelem: check Qi wiki page for details :) |
| 11:00.50 | PaulFertser | michelem: what kernel are you using, is it the usual or OpenWrt's one? |
| 11:03.53 | michelem | thanks, bbs |
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| 11:54.13 | michelem | my kernel is: "Linux version 2.6.29-rc3-v24 (radek@rp-skunk) (gcc version 4.3.2 (Debian 4.3.2-1.1) ) #24 Sun May 23 23:32:50 CEST 2010" |
| 12:00.16 | michelem | oh yeah, with the lower frequency the new uSD works |
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| 12:08.03 | michelem | any tip for exploring higher clock settings? |
| 12:09.21 | michelem | I guess I can raise the sd_slow_ratio progressively |
| 12:10.33 | SpeedEvil | tries to remember what the maximum PLL settings are for the 2410. |
| 12:10.37 | SpeedEvil | (CPU) |
| 12:10.53 | pabs3 | michelem: I guess it would be much faster to find if you are booting off NAND and not rebooting between adjustments |
| 12:11.01 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: LOL |
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| 12:11.49 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: hi :-) |
| 12:19.42 | michelem | well I can test echoing to sysfs as PaulFertser mentioned before |
| 12:31.34 | michelem | out of curiosity, which WM do you folks use? I'm looking for ideas. Need something minimal, customizable, fast. |
| 12:32.21 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: hi :)) |
| 12:32.47 | PaulFertser | michelem: nah, slow_ratio is only in effect when GPS is powered iirc. |
| 12:33.16 | PaulFertser | michelem: i think you might want to check his setup: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Lindi |
| 12:33.27 | michelem | PaulFertser: may be totally placebo, but setting it from 16 down to 2 seems to make ti faster |
| 12:33.30 | michelem | thanks |
| 12:33.34 | PaulFertser | I'm using e17 but not really liking it on FR. |
| 12:35.44 | michelem | so there's no educated way to test the glamo_mci frequencies, just try random value? |
| 12:37.15 | PaulFertser | michelem: probably bisecting? ;) |
| 12:37.29 | PaulFertser | michelem: use at least 1 for sd_drive. |
| 12:39.22 | michelem | PaulFertser: do I find the meaning of those params anywhere? |
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| 12:39.41 | michelem | cat sd_drive is currently 0 |
| 12:41.11 | PaulFertser | michelem: not really, some commit messages specify it. |
| 12:41.14 | PaulFertser | michelem: 0 is not enough. |
| 12:41.20 | PaulFertser | michelem: for some cards. |
| 12:43.14 | michelem | "First is Glamo drive strength on SD IOs including CLK." <â wtf? |
| 12:46.15 | Wonka | turn it to 11! |
| 12:46.16 | PaulFertser | michelem: makes perfect sense ;) |
| 12:46.21 | PaulFertser | No, 3 is the maximum. |
| 12:46.22 | Wonka | *duck* |
| 12:46.57 | PaulFertser | michelem: it was lowered to not interfere with gps. But 0 is really not enough, 1 should have been set the default (and it still allows gps to work). |
| 12:47.19 | michelem | I do not use GPS, it is OFF for power saving. |
| 12:47.38 | michelem | so what is it practically? |
| 12:47.46 | michelem | a one liner would be fine |
| 12:47.55 | Wonka | mmh... isn't SD clock turned off while no accesses are underway? |
| 12:48.35 | michelem | also, sd_max_clk and sd_post_power_clock are the number of CPU cycles per each bus check? |
| 12:49.06 | michelem | with the current settings, the system is terribly slow |
| 12:50.50 | michelem | I'll just assume that 1) sd_max_clk is the relevant setting 2) higher is faster |
| 12:56.12 | PaulFertser | michelem: sd_drive is basically "drive strength" i.e. how strong are the pull-ups/downs driving the data lines. |
| 12:56.50 | PaulFertser | michelem: if they drive them really strong, rough edges on transitions have too much hi-freq harmonics. |
| 12:57.31 | michelem | PaulFertser: can you please |
| 12:57.31 | michelem | # for i in /sys/module/glamo_mci/parameters/* ; do echo "* $i" ; cat $i ; done |
| 12:58.12 | michelem | I set it to 1, and sd_max_clk to 10000000, but speed doesn't seem changed |
| 12:58.51 | PaulFertser | michelem: 0 0 16666666 1000000 8 |
| 12:58.56 | PaulFertser | (typed manually) |
| 12:59.06 | michelem | thanks for your patience. |
| 12:59.06 | PaulFertser | michelem: speed depends on max_clk. |
| 12:59.22 | PaulFertser | michelem: so you should try sd_drive=1 (or =2) with the default clk. |
| 12:59.37 | PaulFertser | Also, keep in mind SD access really is slow on FRs. |
| 13:00.01 | PaulFertser | (but more modern kernels perform considerably better in this regard, especially when the screen is blanked) |
| 13:00.15 | michelem | the base system ran OK with the other card, and with this one too (default settings). But there is one specific operation that kills with time |
| 13:00.51 | michelem | that is one simple SQLite INSERT. SQLite creates a lock file, edits the database, then removes the lockfile. This takes like 3-4 seconds |
| 13:01.34 | michelem | PaulFertser: are you recommending to upgrade my 2.6.29 ? |
| 13:02.03 | michelem | We are shipping 12 of these devices for pilot testing down to Africa in a few weeks. |
| 13:03.01 | PaulFertser | michelem: i'm not sure, sorry. I know the kernel folks were working hard to improve it from 2.6.29 but i keep the known to work version on my personal device because it works good enough for me. |
| 13:03.21 | michelem | k, thanks |
| 13:07.40 | michelem | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:11.04 | PaulFertser | michelem: only |
| 13:11.15 | PaulFertser | michelem: it can also use uImage.bin iirc. |
| 13:11.18 | michelem | thx |
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| 14:02.43 | michelem | new kernel works, but all namings have changed again |
| 14:03.56 | PaulFertser | michelem: there's "om" utility that does great work on unification of kernel interfaces for end-users. |
| 14:04.25 | michelem | PaulFertser: they changed namings of that too, gta02-power:blue became gta02:blue:power :P |
| 14:04.47 | PaulFertser | michelem: and in newer kernels sd_drive is automatic, the more the frequency, the stronger the drive, so you do not have to care about it anymore (i hope). |
| 14:05.11 | michelem | yes, I confirm sd_drive et al disappeared |
| 14:17.58 | michelem | also, APM disappeared ffs |
| 14:27.44 | PaulFertser | APM always sucked you know :) |
| 14:28.44 | michelem | is there any other way to get the battery status portably? |
| 14:29.38 | PaulFertser | michelem: modern kernel interface is /sys/class/power_supply/* |
| 14:30.17 | PaulFertser | michelem: there used to be an idea that "hald" should be able to provide that too (on n8x0 and n900 there's a special plugin for it because they're insane enough to not use a kernel driver). |
| 14:30.39 | PaulFertser | michelem: but currently hald is deprecated, so powerkit (?) is considered to be a replacement. |
| 14:30.48 | PaulFertser | I'd stick with /sys/class/power_supply/* |
| 14:31.30 | pabs3 | DocScrutinizer: any luck? |
| 14:31.45 | DocScrutinizer | nah, sorry not really |
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| 14:36.39 | michelem | excellent, we're nearly there. Last thing is, how to set the moko to power-supply the USB bus when in host mode |
| 14:37.54 | michelem | I used to "echo 1 > /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/neo1973-pm-host.0/hostmode" but that's also vanished |
| 14:38.04 | michelem | and om usb mode host does not power-supply |
| 14:38.06 | PaulFertser | michelem: use "om" |
| 14:38.16 | PaulFertser | michelem: yes, it has another command for that. |
| 14:39.03 | michelem | right, found. |
| 14:39.35 | michelem | I'm a bit reluctant to use "om" since we are considering testing alternative hardware |
| 14:39.58 | michelem | the FR so far was sufficient, but it's really choked |
| 14:40.33 | michelem | # om usb charger-mode power-usb |
| 14:40.33 | michelem | setting usb charger mode: No such file or directory |
| 14:40.44 | PaulFertser | michelem: om version too old? |
| 14:41.48 | michelem | version 0.12, dist-upgrade doesn't claim new ones. Any new? |
| 14:43.14 | PaulFertser | michelem: http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-fso/omhacks.git;a=blob;f=debian/changelog;h=0580d168c6993786ab3b3ebe3111eed43d1595fd;hb=HEAD |
| 14:44.15 | PaulFertser | michelem: so it should be somewhere there in "unstable" or "experimental". |
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| 15:38.29 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: hostmode round 2 ;-P |
| 15:38.38 | DocScrutinizer | N9(50) |
| 15:38.47 | DocScrutinizer | just started |
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| 17:20.31 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: where at? |
| 17:28.44 | DocScrutinizer | on #meego and in ##mhd |
| 17:29.14 | DocScrutinizer | new "member" dm8tbr |
| 17:29.40 | DocScrutinizer | allegedly done much hostmode and kernel, and was interested in bringing it to N9 |
| 17:30.11 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: maybe you want to join us again, just to lurk |
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| 19:22.42 | khorben | some of you already obtained N9(50) devices? |
| 19:23.42 | max_posedon | Isn't it will be released only on Semptemer? |
| 19:24.21 | aloniv | Hopefully MeeGo will be ported to Openmoko phones... |
| 19:27.23 | max_posedon | if somebody will do it - yes, but I don't excpect that somebody will |
| 19:30.49 | aloniv | Meego looks really nice but it won;t be as open as Openmoko I assume... |
| 19:30.55 | aloniv | *won't |
| 19:32.25 | max_posedon | MeeGo as software - very open, go and download anything |
| 19:32.31 | aloniv | It will probably work better as an actual phone though since Nokia phones at least work... |
| 19:33.03 | aloniv | The software is open but the implementation probably won't be (e.g. non-free drivers). |
| 19:33.47 | aloniv | (My Openmoko works as well although my previous Nokia was more stable) |
| 19:38.29 | aloniv | Perhaps this talk is more suitable for #meego and #meego-bar... |
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| 20:14.29 | DocScrutinizer | meego needs some special gfx |
| 20:14.40 | DocScrutinizer | that's how intel defines meego |
| 20:14.57 | DocScrutinizer | no way that will run on OM FR |
| 20:16.03 | aloniv | Will it run on GTA04? |
| 20:26.20 | max_posedon | aloniv, I don't think that anything that can be run without porting on anything |
| 20:26.42 | max_posedon | I think its possible to run meego on any device, but it need some work |
| 20:27.16 | max_posedon | meego (touchframework, etc) itself just works on top of qt, which works on FR and many other devices |
| 20:27.23 | aloniv | I thought Openmoko's hardware doesn't satisfy minimum requirements... |
| 20:28.20 | max_posedon | minimum requirements == somebody lazy to do some profiling |
| 20:29.08 | max_posedon | of course a lot of animations should be disabled for some devices |
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| 20:34.46 | aloniv | I meant that it needs to be recompiled for ARMv4 |
| 20:37.16 | max_posedon | recompilation itself it is a smallest problem I think |
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