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| 07:23.20 | miko_mirane | o hai |
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| 08:47.17 | michaelis | Hi. |
| 08:47.54 | michaelis | Are there any other mobile devices supported other than those on the webpage? |
| 08:53.48 | michaelis | Where can I but an GTAx phone? |
| 08:56.32 | PaulFertser | michaelis: some distributors still sell it. |
| 08:56.47 | PaulFertser | pulster.de |
| 08:56.55 | PaulFertser | And others |
| 09:00.39 | michaelis | Is the phone supported any more? |
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| 09:00.50 | michaelis | PaulFertser? |
| 09:13.08 | michaelis | Are there any other devices supported then? Any other mobile brands? |
| 09:13.10 | michaelis | Some one? |
| 09:13.26 | radekp | michaelis: it depends what you mean by "supported"... |
| 09:16.58 | michaelis | radekp: I would like to buy an Samsung GT-B7300 Omnia Lite and I'm really interested in running an free OS on it. That's what I mean with supported. |
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| 09:18.20 | radekp | michaelis: hmm i am quite sure this wont work - you can probably have running Android with some proprietary binaries |
| 09:19.21 | henk | michaelis: do you _know_ that deploying your own OS on that phone is possible? |
| 09:19.22 | radekp | michaelis: if you want free OS, you can now buy GTA02 and then upgrade to GTA04 |
| 09:23.04 | radekp | michaelis: this is the only way to get "free OS", other phones some non-free components |
| 09:23.54 | radekp | michaelis: other quite decent hardware is http://wiki.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Hardware |
| 09:23.56 | michaelis | Ok. |
| 09:23.59 | michaelis | I understand. |
| 09:24.41 | michaelis | It is possible to deploy LiMo on that phone but it is not a free OS. |
| 09:33.04 | radekp | no idea about limo |
| 09:33.47 | michaelis | radekp: It doesn't matter. |
| 09:35.00 | radekp | michaelis: btw you can't clearly separate os from hardware, e.g. you can download all sources of Android, but you always need hardware where it should run |
| 09:35.45 | michaelis | radekp: I understand. |
| 09:35.49 | radekp | michaelis: and then you realize that all android devices are using hardware/vendor specific drivers for modem, gps and other stuff |
| 09:36.05 | radekp | and these drivers are closed source |
| 09:36.10 | michaelis | radekp: I see. |
| 09:36.47 | michaelis | radekp: Is the GTA02 open hardware then? |
| 09:37.20 | radekp | michaelis: very open - you can download schematics, most of the hardware is easy to talk to |
| 09:37.51 | radekp | michaelis: e.g. you can use AT commands for talking to modem, read NMEA from GPS |
| 09:39.01 | michaelis | radekp: That's very good. But I have no idea where to get it. On pulster.de there's only the Freenode phone. You are from Poland, right? |
| 09:39.28 | radekp | michaelis: from czech republic actually |
| 09:39.55 | henk | which doesn't mean that the hardware in combination is any good... |
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| 09:40.13 | radekp | michaelis: i think pulster.de is very good shop |
| 09:40.15 | michaelis | radekp: Radek is also a very common polish name. |
| 09:40.23 | radekp | henk: yup unfotunately :( |
| 09:40.40 | michaelis | radekp: Why? |
| 09:40.58 | michaelis | henk: Please share your thoughts. |
| 09:41.31 | radekp | michaelis: you can buy much better phones - those that are non-free |
| 09:42.18 | henk | michaelis: there were quite a few mistakes made in the design which made different revisions necessary. some actually are usable as a phone, some are not at all without heavily modifying the hardware. |
| 09:42.23 | radekp | michaelis: they are faster, have better display - the software is much better tuned and tested, because they are sold in millions |
| 09:42.49 | michaelis | radekp: Yes I can. But it would be nice to have everything open and free. At least the OS could be free but there seams to be no free OS except for openmoko. |
| 09:44.26 | henk | some other things i just heard/read some months/years ago and don't quite understand them, but afair the hardware is not as open as people would want it to be. components like the display and the graphics hardware are not made for each other and not fine-tuned, thus graphics are slow, resolution could be higher and things like that.. |
| 09:44.47 | michaelis | I see. |
| 09:44.51 | henk | michaelis: maemo/meego? |
| 09:45.09 | henk | only hardware so far is the nokia n900 though, afaik |
| 09:45.20 | michaelis | henk: And it's not cheap. |
| 09:45.31 | radekp | hmm n900 is really cheap here |
| 09:45.32 | henk | freerunner neither... |
| 09:45.42 | michaelis | I'm going out for lunch. Bbl. |
| 09:45.55 | radekp | has one for 8500 CZK or so which is ~ 250EUR |
| 09:46.06 | radekp | too :) |
| 09:46.07 | henk | about as much as a freerunner iirc? |
| 09:46.12 | radekp | yup |
| 09:46.16 | henk | and much better hardware... |
| 09:46.22 | radekp | FR was even more expencive |
| 09:46.32 | radekp | the HW is really nice, yes |
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| 09:46.47 | henk | and it works 'g' |
| 09:47.12 | radekp | yup, works great :) |
| 09:47.37 | radekp | but Freerunner is so much better fun... |
| 09:48.04 | henk | it's really fun... when you don't think of it as a phone. |
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| 10:26.49 | michaelis | So you don't recommend Freerunner? |
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| 10:34.53 | radekp | michaelis: i have been using it as my only phone for 2 years, i think with some stable distribution it's quite usable |
| 10:41.04 | radekp | michaelis: if you want to play with the phone, if you want to test and fix bugs in the software i think Freerunner is for you |
| 10:41.53 | radekp | michaelis: if you want just phone - then buy N900 |
| 10:45.35 | michaelis | radekp: I get the point. Thank you. |
| 10:45.46 | michaelis | I hope I can find one cheap on ebay. |
| 10:49.06 | radekp | michaelis: good luck :) |
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| 10:51.32 | michaelis | radekp: I need it. Not one phone on either ebay.co.uk or ebay.de. |
| 10:52.00 | michaelis | radekp: Maybe I'll just buy a phone with proprietary hardware and software. |
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| 23:18.07 | ParkerR | Is there an openmoko emulator that will allow me to run an image on the computer with mouse support? |
| 23:18.31 | ParkerR | Oh I think I see my answer |
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