| 00:15.37 | DocScrutinizer | Hydrant_: there's never been a break even for building OM FR, so while you might be willing to pay even more than the already somewhat high price, you're probably not changing this basic fact that there's not been enough money in it the long term, at least the way OM did (or not did) it |
| 00:34.56 | Hydrant_ | DocScrutinizer: I understand, but I can still be a tad disappointed :-) |
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| 00:35.58 | Hydrant_ | also, to be fair, no "production" phones were ever made afaik anyways, it was always marketed toward "developers" so it is a bit difficult to know how the general market would have responded to a "stable release" of thephone |
| 00:37.31 | SpeedEvil | It's sort-of-depressing in that FR was supposed to be 'production' - and that held up dev sales enormously. |
| 00:38.09 | SpeedEvil | I am of the opinion - and was at the time - that they should have just polished the neo1973, and got it ready for xmas sales to slightly-less-core devs. |
| 00:38.41 | SpeedEvil | Where polished was limited to a basic working phone, working powersave, bugfixes on the hw, and that's it. |
| 00:38.49 | SpeedEvil | SMS too. |
| 00:39.01 | SpeedEvil | But almost only that + X + gtk |
| 00:39.24 | Hydrant_ | when I bought the FR... I remember it was marketed as a "developer release" |
| 00:39.29 | DocScrutinizer | indeed before I joined OM I pndered to buy a gta01 NEO with that nice suitcase, and had to learn they were completely out of stock |
| 00:39.49 | Hydrant_ | if it had 3G I would be using this phone right now... GPRS is a bit too slow for my greedy data needs |
| 00:39.53 | SpeedEvil | The FR was marketed as a developer release - yes. |
| 00:39.59 | SpeedEvil | However. |
| 00:40.35 | SpeedEvil | During the time from neo1973-> FR, much of the effort was supposed to be going into getting something consumer-ready. |
| 00:40.54 | SpeedEvil | Negecting the fact that apple and android were hurtling over the horizon. |
| 00:41.16 | DocScrutinizer | that's always what I thought the FR been all about. 1973 been the 'developer' device |
| 00:41.35 | Hydrant_ | well, apple and android have done very well for themselves recently... the whole "we like to watch you everywhere" thing has made ditch my iPhone now, and just reuse my sim card with the openmoko |
| 00:41.42 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 00:41.53 | Hydrant_ | I was pretty happy having a "phone that just works" out of the box with the iPhone... but I'm not happy anymore |
| 00:42.11 | SpeedEvil | TO be fair - if you want to do geolocation on cell, and wifi - there is no real other choice. |
| 00:42.12 | Hydrant_ | I bought an openmoko, played with it... and decided I needed a production phone that just worked |
| 00:42.26 | Hydrant_ | I don't need geolocation, I'd rather keep my privacy |
| 00:42.35 | SpeedEvil | Other than to have _lots_ of survey vans. |
| 00:42.35 | Hydrant_ | or have an option |
| 00:42.47 | Hydrant_ | "would you like to have really slow location services... or send data" |
| 00:51.06 | Hydrant_ | what is involved with getting 3g on the openmoko, or is it relatively hopeless at this stage? |
| 00:51.33 | SpeedEvil | Duct tape a USB battery, 3G modem, onto the back. |
| 00:51.47 | SpeedEvil | Unfortunately. |
| 00:51.50 | Hydrant_ | okay |
| 00:51.57 | SpeedEvil | Or use a wifi-3g device |
| 00:52.22 | Hydrant_ | so is openmoko completely dead, just resting or what is the real situation? |
| 00:53.09 | SpeedEvil | The company is dead/resting. |
| 00:53.35 | Hydrant_ | hrrm |
| 00:53.36 | SpeedEvil | There is activity going on in the community - SHR on other platforms, and there is a project to do a phone that fits in the OM case. |
| 00:54.10 | Hydrant_ | I assume the hardware manufacturing is the expensive part? |
| 01:02.43 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 01:03.10 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA04_revisions |
| 01:04.08 | Hydrant_ | okay |
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| 04:42.53 | larie | hello |
| 04:43.14 | larie | where can i buy in russia? |
| 04:43.26 | larie | ebay only? |
| 04:51.02 | larie | sell me FreeRunner please :) |
| 04:54.28 | Wonka | wait longer... nobody awake in europe and usa yet |
| 04:54.39 | Wonka | except, it seems |
| 04:55.11 | Wonka | and I'm still sleepy too |
| 04:55.28 | Wonka | +me |
| 05:08.39 | larie | Wonka: me too :) |
| 05:09.26 | larie | Wonka: i want to buy FreeRunner and use it with gentoo... |
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| 07:47.47 | PaulFertser | larie: hi there |
| 07:47.54 | larie | PaulFertser: hello |
| 07:48.27 | PaulFertser | larie: ebay would be a good option, but pay attention to 950/800 difference, you need EU (950) version. |
| 07:49.29 | PaulFertser | larie: also i'd try posting to forums at linux.org.ru, chances are, plenty of people who have FRs now switched to something else, so they have it available. |
| 07:50.22 | PaulFertser | larie: if you want it for GSM telephony, you'd need a "buzzfix" but it's ~trivial for anybody who occassionally does SMD soldering. |
| 07:50.30 | larie | PaulFertser: i can't find it on ebay |
| 07:50.54 | larie | PaulFertser: hmm hmm |
| 07:51.45 | PaulFertser | larie: and no, i won't sell mine, that's still my only (and beloved) cellphone ;) |
| 07:52.20 | larie | PaulFertser: haha! i want it too! )) |
| 07:53.25 | PaulFertser | larie: it doesn't work that well in fact... |
| 07:53.42 | larie | PaulFertser: what is wrong with FreeRunner? |
| 07:55.45 | PaulFertser | larie: immature software |
| 07:56.35 | larie | PaulFertser: if i will use gentoo on it? |
| 07:57.56 | PaulFertser | larie: what middleware are you planning to use? |
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