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| 01:01.51 | RvX | PaulFertser: are you still here? I have a problem flashing NOR - the output after executing flashing script is: 1+0 records in |
| 01:01.52 | RvX | 1+0 records out |
| 01:01.53 | RvX | 2097152 bytes (2.1 MB) copied, 0.00989574 s, 212 MB/s |
| 01:24.21 | RvX | got it :D |
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| 09:31.09 | zapata | Hey |
| 09:31.45 | PaulFertser | hey |
| 09:32.22 | zapata | Having a minor problem with installing debian on my new neo freerunner |
| 09:32.32 | zapata | Wondering if anyone here would be willing to offer some advice? |
| 09:33.01 | PaulFertser | zapata: go ahead |
| 09:33.07 | zapata | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner |
| 09:33.09 | zapata | Following this |
| 09:33.17 | zapata | Trying to use the shell that comes with openmoko by default |
| 09:33.25 | zapata | But the on-screen keyboard will only suggest words |
| 09:33.30 | zapata | That is, I can't even type "passwd" |
| 09:33.39 | zapata | Let alone fix OpenSSH or use WGET |
| 09:33.50 | zapata | It will just change it to what it "thinks" it should be |
| 09:33.52 | PaulFertser | zapata: slide up on the keyboad |
| 09:34.06 | zapata | Up? That will make it key-for-key? |
| 09:34.09 | PaulFertser | Yep |
| 09:34.17 | zapata | Ok, gonna try :) |
| 09:34.36 | PaulFertser | zapata: basically you start the slide motion on the keyboard and drag it up out of the keyb area, it'll switch. |
| 09:36.51 | PaulFertser | But i suggest to use usb networking instead if possible. |
| 09:37.00 | zapata | Yea, that's the plan |
| 09:37.03 | zapata | Then SSH |
| 09:37.14 | zapata | But unfortunately I kept getting "connection refused" after setting it up |
| 09:37.19 | zapata | So I wanted to fix it |
| 09:37.24 | zapata | Needed shell :D |
| 09:37.35 | PaulFertser | zapata: probably you mistyped ip, the FR is 192.168.0.202 by default. |
| 09:38.58 | zapata | Hmm |
| 09:39.01 | zapata | Ok I'll give it a go |
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| 09:39.22 | zapata | So it's 192.168.0.202 even if I set the Usb0 port as another IP? |
| 09:42.07 | lindi- | zapata: how did you set the ip? |
| 09:42.18 | zapata | Hmm, I did not |
| 09:42.29 | zapata | I set it via shell on the host system |
| 09:42.36 | zapata | Using the openmoko wiki guide |
| 09:42.38 | lindi- | zapata: that sets the IP of desktop |
| 09:42.48 | zapata | but it let me install shell on the openmoko |
| 09:42.51 | zapata | So I guess it was ok |
| 09:42.53 | zapata | Oh |
| 09:43.06 | zapata | So what I set was MY ip and *.202 is the freerunners? |
| 09:43.14 | lindi- | zapata: openmoko wiki has a lot of random articles, which one was it? ;) |
| 09:43.23 | zapata | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking |
| 09:43.29 | zapata | Trying to get it set up with debian ;) |
| 09:43.41 | zapata | That's my distro and I have some cool ideas for this phone once it works |
| 09:43.42 | lindi- | sudo ip address add 192.168.0.200/24 dev usb0 |
| 09:43.42 | lindi- | sudo ip link set dev usb0 up |
| 09:43.51 | zapata | Yea, exactly |
| 09:43.52 | lindi- | zapata: that should work |
| 09:44.01 | zapata | It wouldn't recognize the interface so I booted the freerunner |
| 09:44.31 | zapata | Aaaah |
| 09:44.33 | zapata | Now I get it |
| 09:44.46 | zapata | So 192.168.0.200 is ME and *.202 is the freerunner :D |
| 09:44.49 | zapata | Explains a lot :p |
| 09:45.01 | lindi- | zapata: yes |
| 09:45.16 | zapata | Thank you very much :) |
| 09:45.37 | zapata | JazakAllah, (May God reward you), hope you appriciate that ;) |
| 09:45.42 | zapata | Otherwise just refer to "thank you" |
| 09:47.21 | zapata | Hmm |
| 09:47.30 | zapata | Once this works I'm trying to build a universal translator :D |
| 09:47.41 | zapata | Essentially I'm gonna chain voice recognition with autotranslation |
| 09:48.40 | PaulFertser | zapata: have you already tried that on your host? ;) |
| 09:49.09 | zapata | Nope. :D |
| 09:49.48 | PaulFertser | Because, i mean, it sounds funny (and useless) and all, but if you know in advance the result why try it on FR? |
| 09:50.01 | zapata | Because I want to make it work |
| 09:50.10 | zapata | I attend a Mosque with lots of pakistanies. |
| 09:50.16 | zapata | So when they talk, I don't get a WORD |
| 09:50.22 | zapata | (Except when they use English for my sake) |
| 09:50.28 | zapata | Which can be kinda annoying |
| 09:50.32 | zapata | Anyway |
| 09:50.37 | zapata | A computer's a computer, innit? |
| 09:50.39 | PaulFertser | :) |
| 09:50.46 | PaulFertser | zapata: beware, FR lacks hardware floating point unit. |
| 09:51.10 | PaulFertser | zapata: also you say it like you hope your project will actually be useful in real life, weird. |
| 09:51.28 | zapata | Hehe |
| 09:51.31 | zapata | Well I hope |
| 09:51.33 | zapata | Hmm |
| 09:51.42 | zapata | Is there some way around the lack of a FPU? |
| 09:51.58 | zapata | I don't know that much about hardware; Does this kill the C standard library, for example? |
| 09:52.01 | PaulFertser | Using optimised fixed point arithmetics or (slow) fpu emulation. |
| 09:52.12 | PaulFertser | No, it doesn't, of course. |
| 09:52.17 | zapata | Oh, wait |
| 09:52.22 | zapata | Linux kernel |
| 09:52.27 | zapata | Stupid question ^^ |
| 09:52.29 | PaulFertser | No, in-kernel emulation is even slower. |
| 09:52.41 | zapata | I meant about the C library |
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| 09:52.43 | PaulFertser | OE builds everything with userspace emulation. |
| 09:52.49 | zapata | Hmm, ok |
| 09:52.51 | zapata | hmm |
| 09:53.29 | PaulFertser | zapata: are you doing a research paper? |
| 10:02.16 | PaulFertser | weird |
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| 10:21.52 | zapata | Ok, hi again ;) |
| 10:21.58 | zapata | The router here failed |
| 10:25.56 | zapata | Anyone still around? |
| 10:37.17 | PaulFertser | zapata: do not ask to ask, just ask :) |
| 10:37.24 | zapata | Heh |
| 10:37.25 | zapata | Ok |
| 10:37.26 | zapata | Well |
| 10:37.42 | zapata | I couldn't make the keyboard into key-for-key, but I still managed to change the password ;) |
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| 10:37.44 | zapata | to "were" |
| 10:37.53 | zapata | But not when I do SSH, it refuses with that password |
| 10:38.32 | zapata | When I scrolled up like you suggested, btw, it just changed to autosuggest with capital letters or symbols |
| 10:38.55 | PaulFertser | zapata: probably you scrolled up from the wrong point or you're running OM2007 even? |
| 10:39.29 | zapata | Possibly OM2007 |
| 10:41.41 | zapata | Where the "paste" and "enter" button is the same, so typing is impossible... |
| 10:45.39 | zapata | If this is OM2007, i think its developers should be shot. |
| 10:45.42 | zapata | Pure and simple. |
| 10:45.47 | zapata | Preferably in a very painful way. |
| 10:46.18 | zapata | To even set the root password (passwd didn't let me SSH) I hae to install a program |
| 10:46.22 | zapata | And that doesn't work, either |
| 10:46.57 | PaulFertser | zapata: shot? I hope you're not one of those extremistic muslim :-o |
| 10:47.02 | zapata | Heh |
| 10:47.02 | zapata | No |
| 10:47.16 | zapata | I was actually being sarcastic as a way of letting off steam ^^ |
| 10:47.23 | PaulFertser | zapata: if it says connection refused, it means sshd or dropbear is not running. |
| 10:47.26 | PaulFertser | :) |
| 10:47.30 | zapata | Hmm |
| 10:47.40 | zapata | No actually it lets me connect now, it just says the password is bad |
| 10:47.55 | zapata | Also without a word-for-word keyboard I have no hope of restarting any services |
| 10:48.01 | zapata | (This is AFTER running passwd) |
| 10:48.51 | zapata | hmm |
| 10:48.56 | zapata | Even after sudo ip address add 192.168.0.200/24 dev usb0 |
| 10:48.57 | PaulFertser | zapata: there certainly was a way to switch keyboard mode... |
| 10:49.04 | zapata | and sudo ip link set dev usb0 up |
| 10:49.07 | zapata | it can't connect |
| 10:49.14 | PaulFertser | zapata: i hope you do those commands on your host. |
| 10:50.04 | zapata | Yes |
| 10:50.10 | zapata | Hmm |
| 10:50.29 | zapata | Ok, I feel stupid now. I did the exact same thing again, and now it (claims) to be fetching something |
| 10:50.35 | redarrow | hi, is the price if the new GTA04 phone already available somewhere? |
| 10:52.07 | zapata | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA04_revisions |
| 10:52.19 | zapata | Speculations: This article or section documents a device that is not yet confirmed formally and the device (if even released) may differ from the specifications given here. This page is based on well educated guesses, not facts. |
| 10:54.05 | zapata | PaulFertser: And btw, no, I am obviously no extremist. ;) |
| 10:54.16 | PaulFertser | zapata: got it already :) |
| 10:54.17 | Heinervdm | redarrow: there was no news about this from nikolaus |
| 10:58.47 | zapata | Hmm |
| 10:58.52 | redarrow | Heinervdm: ok... but the last news I have heard was about and of January when the early adopter phone was sold, and when I had the money to buy one it was sold out :-/ |
| 10:59.06 | redarrow | s/and of/end of |
| 10:59.27 | Heinervdm | redarrow: you can write him an email and ask... |
| 10:59.32 | zapata | This being OM2007 probably, I am still unable to make the networking work |
| 10:59.38 | zapata | Even after the 2 networking commands on the host |
| 10:59.57 | zapata | It worked for a while, but it can't complete the "Root Password" download (Why this needs to be downloaded is beyond me) |
| 11:01.00 | PaulFertser | zapata: do you mean you want the FR to get the internet via usb from your host? |
| 11:01.07 | zapata | Yes |
| 11:01.17 | zapata | This worked before; I installed xterm like this. |
| 11:01.27 | zapata | (but it had no onscreen keyboard and was thus useless) |
| 11:01.27 | PaulFertser | zapata: then you need to enable forwarding on your host and do MASQUERADEing i'm afraid. |
| 11:01.50 | zapata | Hmm |
| 11:01.51 | zapata | iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/28 |
| 11:02.01 | PaulFertser | Yes, and also ip_forward=1 |
| 11:02.02 | zapata | and |
| 11:02.03 | zapata | iptables -P FORWARD ACCEPT |
| 11:02.04 | zapata | ? |
| 11:02.15 | PaulFertser | This too obviously. |
| 11:02.25 | PaulFertser | sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 |
| 11:02.32 | zapata | Yea |
| 11:03.24 | zapata | I feel like such a retard right now. |
| 11:03.35 | Heinervdm | this is what i do: http://pastebin.com/WVb0Zguk |
| 11:06.59 | zapata | Hehe |
| 11:07.15 | zapata | I changed 192.168.1.x to 192.168.0.x (which is the actual subnet) and it worked |
| 11:07.18 | zapata | I should get more sleep |
| 11:07.19 | zapata | ^^ |
| 11:07.42 | zapata | ... |
| 11:07.52 | zapata | The root password app doesn't show an onscreen keyboard |
| 11:08.53 | Heinervdm | i don't rember om2007 but there should be an icon in the topbar to trigger the keyboard |
| 11:09.33 | zapata | The only icon I see is one to make the "menu" drop down |
| 11:10.34 | Heinervdm | Does it look like this? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manuals/Om_2007.2 |
| 11:10.57 | Heinervdm | or like this? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manuals/Om_2008 |
| 11:11.20 | Heinervdm | for Om2008 the is the qwerty icon |
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| 11:11.23 | zapata | Hm |
| 11:11.29 | zapata | It's the 2008 |
| 11:12.04 | Heinervdm | then just click on the qwerty to get the keyboard |
| 11:12.09 | zapata | hmm |
| 11:12.17 | zapata | Yes, that's supposed to be in the top right corner |
| 11:12.24 | zapata | I see it on the screenshot, but not on my phone |
| 11:12.46 | zapata | *Top LEFT corner |
| 11:14.11 | zapata | Probably I'm doing something wrong |
| 11:14.14 | zapata | Let me read the article |
| 11:14.59 | Heinervdm | perhaps it's easier to just flash a current SHR or QtMoko and install debian from there... |
| 11:15.11 | zapata | Probably |
| 11:16.25 | zapata | I think I'll just do that. ;) |
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| 11:16.36 | zapata | Thanks for the hint. This om2008 stuff was driving me crazy. |
| 11:18.06 | zapata | And all I really needed was to SSH to the phone... :D |
| 11:20.55 | zapata | Ok |
| 11:21.14 | zapata | It's actually time for the noon prayer now, so I'll be back later with some status. ;) |
| 11:21.19 | zapata | Thank you all for your help. :) |
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| 13:37.41 | zapata | Hey |
| 13:37.52 | zapata | the file fso-paroli-image-om-gta02.tar.gz |
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| 13:38.04 | zapata | That's the splash image, correcT? |
| 13:38.07 | zapata | http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/unstable/NeoFreerunner/ |
| 13:38.09 | zapata | I would assume so |
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| 15:15.01 | n3v3rmind | hi |
| 15:16.00 | n3v3rmind | i've to develop an application for openmoko...someone could help me? |
| 15:16.44 | PaulFertser | n3v3rmind: hi. What is openmoko? |
| 15:17.37 | n3v3rmind | Openmoko is a project dedicated to delivering mobile phones with an open source software stack |
| 15:18.03 | n3v3rmind | this isn't a channel about it? |
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| 15:19.09 | SpeedEvil | n3v3rmind: There are a number of OSs which could be called 'openmoko' |
| 15:19.17 | SpeedEvil | They are somewhat incompatible. |
| 15:19.36 | n3v3rmind | ok...sorry :) |
| 15:19.39 | SpeedEvil | Assuming you'renot talking of the wikireader. Which I don't think supports external programs at all. |
| 15:19.59 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: hi there :) BTW, are you using anything to read the diagnostic codes out from cars' controllers? |
| 15:20.00 | n3v3rmind | i've a neo freerunne which have installed an android version |
| 15:20.35 | n3v3rmind | sorry for my bad english...i hope you understand me :) |
| 15:20.48 | SpeedEvil | PaulFertser: AD65960 |
| 15:20.50 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 15:20.57 | SpeedEvil | http://www.dealextreme.com/p/obdii-bluetooth-car-diagnostic-cable-black-blue-orange-dc-12v-42825 |
| 15:20.58 | SpeedEvil | rather |
| 15:21.45 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: but what about the software? |
| 15:22.46 | SpeedEvil | PaulFertser: http://www.elmelectronics.com/obdic.html#ELM327 http://www.carman.org/ |
| 15:22.55 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: thanks! |
| 15:22.57 | SpeedEvil | You can do it with a terminal - basically |
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| 15:23.38 | PaulFertser | Oh, carman.org wants to start some swf shit |
| 15:24.14 | SpeedEvil | It was at one point a maemo 4 app |
| 15:24.20 | SpeedEvil | dunno if it's still the same site |
| 15:25.48 | PaulFertser | Probably by the time i finally dump my 1983 car (that has no smart controller whatsoever) there'll be other good free sw projects to read the codes :) |
| 15:26.38 | SpeedEvil | Or don't bother. Just jam an open-source ECU in. :) |
| 15:26.50 | SpeedEvil | n3v3rmind: never done android development. |
| 15:27.17 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: are you happy with yours? I remember you talking about it a year ago. |
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| 15:27.43 | n3v3rmind | which distribution is better to mount on the freerunner to develop an application? |
| 15:27.46 | SpeedEvil | PaulFertser: I've not got round to using it yet. :/ |
| 15:28.16 | PaulFertser | n3v3rmind: what OS do you want to develop for? |
| 15:30.03 | n3v3rmind | PaulFertser: I've to develop an application to get the gps data frome the gps device of the freerunner..but this is the first time that i work on this project and i don't know which os is better to use |
| 15:31.47 | PaulFertser | n3v3rmind: what programming languages do you know? |
| 15:33.22 | PaulFertser | n3v3rmind: gsp data frame? Do you mean raw data from the sats? |
| 15:33.41 | n3v3rmind | PaulFerster: c, c++, java, python... |
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| 15:34.33 | PaulFertser | n3v3rmind: then i'd suggest trying QtMoko distro and writing in "c++" for the Qtopia stack it got. |
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| 15:37.03 | n3v3rmind_ | dsda |
| 15:39.51 | n3v3rmind | i'm sorry |
| 15:39.59 | n3v3rmind | my connection goes down... |
| 15:40.14 | PaulFertser | n3v3rmind: then i'd suggest trying QtMoko distro and writing in "c++" for the Qtopia stack it got. |
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| 15:41.21 | n3v3rmind | it support also java? |
| 15:43.45 | PaulFertser | n3v3rmind: i'm not aware of it, but i'm sure java experience will be painful on FR, no matter which distro you use. |
| 15:45.25 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: ABS system might require diagnostic too. |
| 15:46.05 | n3v3rmind | PaulFerstser: every tutorial that i'm reading there is a reference to openmoko...not to a specific OS... |
| 15:46.41 | n3v3rmind | this could be a problem? |
| 15:47.11 | PaulFertser | n3v3rmind: yeah, weird random tutorials usually lead to problems. |
| 15:47.34 | PaulFertser | Especially when misunderstood |
| 15:47.35 | PaulFertser | :) |
| 15:48.01 | n3v3rmind | :D |
| 15:53.59 | PaulFertser | suddenly realizes he has a small board with ELM327 installed on it on his table |
| 15:54.02 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: :) |
| 15:54.38 | PaulFertser | With cp2102 to attach directly to usb |
| 15:55.09 | SpeedEvil | PaulFertser: Well - great! |
| 15:56.02 | PaulFertser | I remember i was involved in some car-pc related work (that never actually took off) but i was left with some boards an parts. |
| 15:56.05 | PaulFertser | :) |
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| 19:50.43 | PBeck | hi |
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