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| 01:52.23 | linuxxr | can anybody connect to the planet or lists? |
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| 05:57.04 | Infoport | if the guy on ebay would sell more OM screens again, I'd be happy |
| 06:16.09 | linuxxr | thanks doc |
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| 13:08.58 | michelem | hello folks |
| 13:09.07 | PaulFertser | Hey |
| 13:09.56 | michelem | I'm trying to clone a SSD to another and I'm having some issues. DST is bigger than SRC and with compatible geometry. dd didn't work, so I now copied via dump/restore, but I need help for figuring out the boot part |
| 13:10.47 | michelem | what else should I mirror? the MBR (512 bytes) I guess, the partition's bootblock (also 512)? More? |
| 13:12.01 | lindi- | michelem: "didn't work"? |
| 13:14.36 | michelem | it would fall back to boot from NAND |
| 13:15.00 | lindi- | michelem: what exact command did you use? |
| 13:15.03 | michelem | I now fucked up updating uboot, so I can't tell the exact behavior until I fix it |
| 13:15.17 | michelem | lindi-: for dd? |
| 13:15.19 | lindi- | michelem: yes |
| 13:15.30 | michelem | dd if=x of=y bs=1m |
| 13:15.35 | lindi- | michelem: and x is? |
| 13:15.52 | michelem | _ /dev/sde |
| 13:16.55 | lindi- | michelem: so you are copying a uSD on a PC and trying to boot it in freerunner? |
| 13:17.26 | michelem | I dup a uSD on a PC, stick it into the GTA02 and try to boot |
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| 13:18.56 | lindi- | michelem: your new uSDHC card might not be supported at all? |
| 13:19.28 | michelem | let's go with order |
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| 13:19.44 | michelem | I'll fix the bootloader thing first |
| 13:20.08 | michelem | I have two devices, one I fucked up |
| 13:20.17 | michelem | how can I tell if the other one ran uboot or qi? |
| 13:21.06 | lindi- | michelem: sudo strings /dev/mtdblock1 |grep -i u-boot |
| 13:21.19 | michelem | thanks |
| 13:24.51 | michelem | lindi-: while fixing bootloader on the fucked up device, I can repeat the boot on the ok device |
| 13:25.18 | michelem | this is with the dump/restore image. Any possible to fix bootloader with that, without repeating dd? |
| 13:25.28 | michelem | they are 16GB uSD, so they'll take forever |
| 13:26.00 | lindi- | michelem: hmm? |
| 13:26.09 | lindi- | michelem: you can read/write boot loader with DFU |
| 13:27.07 | michelem | I'm underperforming today, I slept like 3h, so go slow :) |
| 13:27.42 | michelem | that SD has debian. In the back of my head Debian used a partition layout other than the standard |
| 13:27.48 | michelem | let me look it up |
| 13:28.26 | michelem | ah OK, I think that was Qi |
| 13:30.22 | lindi- | michelem: I have no idea what standard partition layout on freerunner means :) |
| 13:31.59 | michelem | lindi-: they should sort you out as special case on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Kernel-developers-are-not-polite |
| 13:34.09 | michelem | tell me if I get it right |
| 13:34.52 | michelem | nevermind, I think I got it |
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| 13:36.03 | michelem | bottom line is, with this boot scheme the content of anything other than the uSD partition itself should be irrelevant. Correct? |
| 13:37.10 | michelem | uboot takes kernel from NOR, Qi takes it from uSD data partition, MBRs and bootblocks on uSD are irrelevant |
| 13:37.32 | PaulFertser | michelem: MBR has the partition table, so it is relevant for Qi. |
| 13:39.04 | michelem | PaulFertser: yes, but that's taken care of by fdisk before "restore" |
| 13:39.28 | michelem | I got it anyway. |
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| 13:51.56 | lindi- | michelem: u-boot reads kernel from nand or uSD |
| 13:52.02 | lindi- | michelem: NOR has only u-boot |
| 13:54.28 | michelem | uhm |
| 13:56.02 | lindi- | michelem: what u-boot does depends entirely on its environment |
| 13:56.43 | michelem | it's ok. uhm was for some else |
| 13:57.00 | michelem | apparently SRC has partition type vfat but actual type ext2 |
| 13:57.20 | michelem | that tricked me into making DST vfat too |
| 13:57.26 | michelem | and vfat supports no symlinks |
| 13:57.34 | michelem | uImage.bin was a simlink |
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| 14:15.38 | michelem | now the SD is fixed, and /boot/uImage.bin exists, does point to the actual image, and that has same md5 as SRC |
| 14:16.53 | michelem | still, at boot I get "Unable to read uImage.bin from mmc1:1 |
| 14:17.50 | lindi- | michelem: what's your u-boot environment? |
| 14:20.32 | michelem | how can I tell? |
| 14:21.04 | michelem | I formatted with mkfs.ext3 , but read uBoot goes fat32+ext2 . Any chance it's that? |
| 14:21.19 | lindi- | michelem: the 'printenv' command in u-boot prints it |
| 14:22.17 | michelem | lindi-: sounds far fetched |
| 14:22.38 | lindi- | michelem: hmm? |
| 14:22.58 | michelem | it boots with SRC. I copy SRC to DST; same device. Why should it not work? |
| 14:23.11 | lindi- | michelem: SRC == uSD? |
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| 14:23.38 | michelem | SRC = uSD1, DST=uSD2 |
| 14:23.44 | lindi- | michelem: I think the only reason can be that your new uSD car is not supported |
| 14:23.50 | michelem | uSD2 is a tiny bit bigger |
| 14:23.50 | lindi- | s/car/card/ |
| 14:24.20 | michelem | possible |
| 14:24.34 | lindi- | michelem: does mmcinit u-boot command print any errors? |
| 14:25.44 | lindi- | michelem: I use http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/uboot.conf to configure my u-boot |
| 14:25.52 | michelem | I don't know what you're talking about |
| 14:26.12 | lindi- | michelem: you can talk to your boot loader with e.g. picocom |
| 14:26.20 | lindi- | michelem: it supports a huge number of commands :) |
| 14:26.31 | michelem | lindi-: ok, thanks, but again it seems far fetched :) |
| 14:26.39 | lindi- | michelem: well I'd like to see the error message |
| 14:27.08 | lindi- | "Unable to read uImage.bin from mmc1:1" does not yet specify why it fails |
| 14:27.09 | michelem | ok, I'll do since you've been so available |
| 14:27.14 | lindi- | heh |
| 14:27.33 | michelem | will take 10' to finish the restore on ext2 |
| 14:27.41 | lindi- | michelem: u-boot commands are described in http://www.denx.de/wiki/view/DULG/UBootCommandLineInterface |
| 14:27.42 | michelem | oh, I can run it anyways itmt |
| 14:28.43 | lindi- | maybe openmoko should have been shipped without software so that all users would be familiar with their boot loader :) |
| 14:30.08 | michelem | honestly I got past the allure of understanding all nitty gritties a few years ago. That bunch of hours I prefer to spend chilling out or having sex :D |
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| 14:38.32 | michelem | I get "Wrong image format for bootm command" |
| 14:39.06 | michelem | lindi-: picocom /dev/what ? |
| 14:39.16 | lindi- | michelem: ACM0 probably |
| 14:39.51 | michelem | do I need anything other than uboot prompt? |
| 14:40.03 | lindi- | michelem: what do you mean? |
| 14:40.14 | michelem | I turned on, held power+aux |
| 14:40.16 | lindi- | michelem: you should start by checking what the "mmcinit" command returns, it should identify your card |
| 14:40.30 | lindi- | michelem: did you get to NOR or NAND u-boot? |
| 14:40.48 | michelem | how can I run that if the OS doesn't boot |
| 14:40.57 | michelem | no clue |
| 14:41.03 | lindi- | michelem: it is enough that u-boot boots to its menu |
| 14:41.25 | michelem | this is taking waaaay too long, I guess I'll just give up the fast and expensive flash |
| 14:41.42 | lindi- | michelem: you want to learn u-boot anyway :) |
| 14:42.26 | michelem | ok |
| 14:42.33 | michelem | _ /dev/ttyACM0 |
| 14:42.43 | lindi- | michelem: probably |
| 14:42.54 | michelem | you want the env right? |
| 14:43.12 | lindi- | michelem: I can take a look |
| 14:43.47 | michelem | exit / quit /ctrld don't work, how do I quit ? |
| 14:43.57 | lindi- | michelem: picocom? ctrl-a q |
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| 14:44.15 | michelem | thx |
| 14:44.40 | michelem | ok |
| 14:45.29 | michelem | http://dpaste.de/iMzw/ |
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| 14:47.04 | lindi- | a sec |
| 14:47.28 | michelem | mmcinit â> http://dpaste.de/htiW/ |
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| 14:48.01 | lindi- | michelem: what I see: http://iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/u-boot.txt |
| 14:48.35 | lindi- | michelem: your bootcmd loads kernel from NAND |
| 14:49.03 | michelem | weird because with the other card it starts automatically from mmc |
| 14:49.18 | michelem | but anyways, with this card I tell uboot to start from mmc |
| 14:49.25 | michelem | manually with pwr+aux |
| 14:49.27 | lindi- | michelem: are you sure you booted from NOR u-boot? |
| 14:49.35 | lindi- | michelem: "pwr+aux" is not clear enough |
| 14:49.43 | lindi- | michelem: aux down, power down => NOR |
| 14:49.48 | lindi- | michelem: power down, aux down => NAND |
| 14:49.56 | michelem | oh god |
| 14:50.04 | michelem | NOR then |
| 14:50.07 | michelem | let me redo it |
| 14:50.14 | lindi- | if you hit them at the same time you get random result :) |
| 14:50.34 | michelem | i push aux first normally, which do you want |
| 14:50.43 | lindi- | michelem: you want to work with NAND |
| 14:51.24 | michelem | thanks for clarifying that |
| 14:51.54 | lindi- | michelem: use NOR only to flash NAND :) |
| 14:52.02 | lindi- | michelem: and then work with software that is in NAND |
| 14:52.41 | michelem | can you clear me on that |
| 14:52.57 | michelem | there is a Qtmoko installation on the NAND, right? |
| 14:53.14 | michelem | how big is that nand? |
| 14:53.49 | michelem | if I push PWR alone which one starts? |
| 14:54.02 | lindi- | michelem: I think qtmoko is typically installed to NAND yes (/dev/mtdblock6) |
| 14:54.25 | lindi- | michelem: NAND in total is 256 MB |
| 14:54.38 | lindi- | michelem: u-boot in NAND is the default |
| 14:54.51 | lindi- | michelem: (/dev/mtdblock1) |
| 14:55.27 | lindi- | michelem: if you hold AUX then the boot code from NOR gets executed instead |
| 14:55.34 | michelem | ok I don't get this. If I hold PWR+AUX (NAND), I don't get a uboot prompt. I get an (old) qtmoko running |
| 14:55.42 | michelem | the device vibrates before starting |
| 14:56.11 | michelem | while with the other uSD, same phone, if I only push PWR it starts from uSD |
| 14:57.02 | lindi- | michelem: maybe you have Qi in NAND then? it does not have a menu |
| 14:57.12 | michelem | yes, that's most likely |
| 14:57.30 | michelem | still, why does it not boot uSD, which from docs appears the 1st choice |
| 14:57.45 | michelem | lindi-: any easy way to tell if the uSD is unsupported? |
| 14:57.53 | lindi- | michelem: I don't know how to debug Qi sorry :/ |
| 14:58.03 | lindi- | michelem: I don't know if Qi prints any error messages anywhere at all |
| 14:58.08 | michelem | I already costed some 350$ on this single problem, I don't think they're happy with it :) |
| 14:58.19 | michelem | uhm |
| 14:58.56 | PaulFertser | lindi-: of course, Qi does! |
| 14:58.58 | PaulFertser | ;) |
| 14:59.34 | lindi- | PaulFertser: where? |
| 14:59.46 | PaulFertser | michelem: Qi boots from the first _ext2_ partition, using it for both kernel and root. |
| 14:59.53 | PaulFertser | lindi-: serial console, of course. |
| 15:00.07 | lindi- | michelem: do you have a debug board? |
| 15:02.02 | michelem | no |
| 15:02.06 | michelem | forget it :) |
| 15:02.29 | michelem | I'll try to clone SRC to an identical uSD and see if it works |
| 15:02.34 | lindi- | PaulFertser: Qi probably doesn't support usb so michelem can't really see the error without a debug board? |
| 15:03.30 | PaulFertser | lindi-: sure thing. |
| 15:03.41 | lindi- | michelem: so, can't debug Qi without debug board sorry :/ |
| 15:04.32 | michelem | bummer, I'll use the slow card |
| 15:05.20 | michelem | curiously, the new fast class card was bought to avoid spending a day in OS optimization, but getting it to work took half day anyway :) |
| 15:05.51 | michelem | I'll test with the clone uSD to make sure it's an unsupported card problem, as you said |
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| 15:43.43 | michelem | for the archives |
| 15:44.00 | michelem | following the same procedure (dump / restore) with the identical SSD works |
| 15:44.18 | michelem | I conclude that the faster-class uSD is actually unsupported. |
| 15:44.37 | PaulFertser | michelem: by Qi? All cards should be supported. |
| 15:44.59 | michelem | PaulFertser: yes, Qi |
| 15:45.02 | PaulFertser | michelem: the problem is you do not have the serial console... |
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| 15:46.12 | michelem | PaulFertser: whatever POV you want to take. The new uSD is identical, just bigger, has consistent data, everything in place, but does not boot |
| 15:46.36 | michelem | the slower class uSD, identical 1:1 to SRC, same duplication procedure, boots |
| 15:46.55 | PaulFertser | michelem: sorry but that doesn't tell me much, i'd need Qi's output to say anything meaningful about it. |
| 15:47.21 | Bert_2 | Hi, I think I have a failing LCD, I'm trying to free the mainboard of my freerunner from the case but it seems stuck (I removed the screws etc.), it seems like I can't get it off the small plastic hooks on the sides, anyone know what I should do (video, instructions, pictures, whatever) ? |
| 15:47.22 | michelem | I understand. All I'm saying is, from my PoV the problem is in Qi, so out of my reach. |
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| 16:00.04 | SpeedEvil | Bert_2: Basically, - from memory - you need to gently splay the case, while gently pulling up on the PCB |
| 16:00.14 | SpeedEvil | (this is with a neo1973) |
| 16:00.44 | Bert_2 | SpeedEvil: yeah, I just found out what's wrong, I didn't noticed a HUGE crack on the screen |
| 16:00.48 | Bert_2 | is very sad :( |
| 16:00.50 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 16:01.12 | Bert_2 | is anyone still selling the Freerunner LCDs ? |
| 16:01.56 | SpeedEvil | Check ebay? |
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| 16:07.14 | Bert_2 | SpeedEvil: 69â¬, isn't that a lot for a display ? |
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| 18:24.10 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: (michelem) MMC/SD size: 3MiB .oO(???) o.O |
| 18:26.18 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: also there's rumours / reports about MOKO11-calypso-update failing on HC cards, for unknown reasons |
| 18:26.48 | DocScrutinizer | possibly uBoot doesn't know how to access them |
| 18:29.50 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: looks like a known but harmless bug in uboot. |
| 18:31.10 | DocScrutinizer | looks like a vartype / maxint problem |
| 18:32.38 | DocScrutinizer | maxint(sint32) == 2GB |
| 18:32.40 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: he said he's using Qi and i know for sure Qi works with most SDHC cards. |
| 18:33.16 | DocScrutinizer | to me it sounded like he's not aware about using anything particular for bootloader |
| 18:34.44 | DocScrutinizer | and odds are he booted a smaller uSD via uBoot which now fails, and Qi doesn't boot same card due to known small differing requirements (name of kernel img etc) |
| 18:35.50 | DocScrutinizer | or even larger diffs, like VFAT boot partition for uBoot |
| 18:36.23 | DocScrutinizer | whatever, just felt like adding my 2â¬ct |
| 18:36.54 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: yep, probably |
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