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| 14:58.47 | Eelis | i've just found out about the openmoko project, and it looks awesome! |
| 14:59.26 | lindi- | Eelis: prepare for the bugs :) |
| 14:59.50 | Eelis | do i understand correctly that the upcoming GTA04 device is basically supposed to be the savior of openmoko that everyone is now excitedly looking forward to? |
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| 15:00.40 | lindi- | Eelis: well I'm carefully optimistic |
| 15:01.04 | Eelis | fair enough :) |
| 15:01.17 | lindi- | Eelis: but I'm quite happy with gta02 |
| 15:01.40 | lindi- | Eelis: and now there are a lot of different pieces of hardware that run somewhat free software |
| 15:04.06 | Eelis | i've only started reading about smart phones a day or two ago, and got pretty depressed when i read that the whole market seems to be dominated by telco's conspiring with phone makers and OS makers to subjugate users. so openmoko is a real breath of fresh air |
| 15:04.37 | lindi- | Eelis: openmoko was that, in 2008 :) |
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| 15:05.34 | Eelis | well, i've been living under a rock ;) |
| 15:06.10 | Eelis | only have a super cheap dumb phone right now |
| 15:14.28 | Eelis | i've also been reading about a brand new project called IcedRobot, which (as far as i understand it) aims to port android to a standard GNU/Linux environment. would icedbox be the way to run android "apps" on an openmoko device? or is there a better way? |
| 15:14.57 | Eelis | s/icedbox/icedrobot/ |
| 15:15.55 | lindi- | Eelis: I guess but you can also install android natively to freerunner |
| 15:17.01 | Eelis | but that would then /replace/ openmoko linux, right? |
| 15:17.13 | Eelis | or can one dual boot? |
| 15:18.06 | lindi- | Eelis: openmoko linux? |
| 15:18.50 | Eelis | i'm just going by what is written here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openmoko ("Openmoko is a project to [...]. The first sub-project is Openmoko Linux, a Linux-based operating system designed for mobile phones") |
| 15:19.19 | lindi- | Eelis: don't trust wikis blindly :) |
| 15:19.37 | Eelis | so there's no such thing as openmoko linux? |
| 15:19.52 | lindi- | Eelis: there is but I don't think anybody is running it anymore |
| 15:19.58 | Eelis | oh, interesting |
| 15:20.03 | lindi- | Eelis: I run debian. many others run shr and qtmoko |
| 15:20.25 | Eelis | ah, i see |
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| 15:21.24 | Eelis | hm, the qtmoko website appears to be down (Bandwidth Limit Exceeded) |
| 15:21.37 | lindi- | Eelis: yeah somebody mentioned it on slashdot today |
| 15:22.04 | Eelis | in any case, would it be possible to dual-boot between android and one of these distro's? |
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| 15:23.09 | lindi- | Eelis: sure |
| 15:23.15 | Eelis | cool :) |
| 15:23.57 | lindi- | Eelis: I haven't seen many talk about android recently though |
| 15:27.00 | Eelis | i guess with dual-boot it'd be too much hassle to really use both it and a linux distro for day-to-day things. but with that icedrobot project you'll be able to run them concurrently, with android just being a regular program. so perhaps when that project matures, using both simultaneously will be more attractive |
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| 15:33.39 | Eelis | lindi-: anyway, thanks a lot for answering my questions and fixing some of my misconceptions. you've been very helpful. |
| 15:34.11 | Eelis | maybe i'll get myself a shiny GTA04 when it's finished :) |
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| 16:19.21 | adiblol | -bash: /usr/bin/apt-get: Input/output error |
| 16:19.34 | adiblol | htop / Bus error |
| 16:19.43 | adiblol | init 6 / Segmentation fault |
| 16:19.57 | adiblol | wtf is doing? |
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| 17:01.36 | pespin | adiblol, are you running from SD? |
| 17:01.51 | adiblol | pespin: yes |
| 17:02.21 | adiblol | but after reboot everything is ok. (/proc/sysrq-trigger is REALLY helpful) |
| 17:03.04 | pespin | adiblol, ah ok, I thought you needed to run fsck on it :) |
| 17:03.34 | adiblol | seems that SD card often looses stability, or maybe it's kernel issue? |
| 17:39.07 | adiblol | I have 2.6.29 kernel, and xrandr -o 1 or -o 3 doesnt work, when I specify -s 640x480 it seems to loose sync. It seems to be http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2255 , but it has been fixed? |
| 17:39.51 | adiblol | xserver-xorg-video-glamo0.0.0+20091108.git9918e082-2 |
| 17:40.15 | adiblol | xserver-xorg-core2:1.7.7-11 |
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| 18:46.38 | lindi- | adiblol: debian? |
| 18:46.46 | adiblol | lindi-: yes |
| 18:47.17 | lindi- | adiblol: revert those commits and it works? |
| 18:47.43 | adiblol | what...? |
| 18:47.54 | lindi- | adiblol: did you read the bug report? |
| 18:48.01 | adiblol | i compiled kernel from pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org |
| 18:48.05 | adiblol | yes. |
| 18:48.19 | lindi- | adiblol: in the bug report I revert some commits that cause this |
| 18:48.35 | adiblol | it means that i have to play with git... |
| 18:48.41 | lindi- | adiblol: you always do :) |
| 18:48.55 | adiblol | no, i downloaded tar.gz from pkg-fso repo ;) |
| 18:49.24 | adiblol | by the way, where usb host mode power has gone in 2.6.34? |
| 18:49.31 | adiblol | (/sys/...) |
| 18:50.24 | lindi- | adiblol: just use omhacks so that you don't need to poke /sys directly |
| 18:50.53 | adiblol | and frameworkd hangs with 2.6.34 from debian repo |
| 18:50.59 | lindi- | adiblol: 'om usb mode [device|host]' |
| 18:51.05 | adiblol | no. |
| 18:51.12 | adiblol | usb mode works |
| 18:51.23 | adiblol | but i want to change usb power |
| 18:51.29 | lindi- | adiblol: 'om usb charger-mode [charge-battery|power-usb]' |
| 18:51.45 | adiblol | will it work with Y-cable? |
| 18:51.49 | lindi- | yes |
| 18:52.17 | adiblol | ok, what about frameworkd? |
| 18:52.54 | lindi- | adiblol: I've lost interest in hacking frameworkd. upstream has switched to vala version. I only use ogsmd which does GSM and leaves USB alone |
| 18:53.31 | adiblol | no, i'm not complaining about USB |
| 18:53.40 | adiblol | frameworkd stops working with 2.6.34 |
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| 18:54.47 | adiblol | so I have to use 2.6.29. |
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| 19:34.56 | adiblol | lindi-: so how do I get openmoko linux kernel 2.6.29 from git? |
| 19:35.11 | adiblol | is any patching required after that? |
| 19:35.33 | adiblol | "Kernel" page at wiki.openmoko seems to be outdated |
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| 19:47.45 | lindi- | adiblol: the pkg-fso kernel is also in git |
| 19:48.33 | adiblol | how to clone particular version? |
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| 19:49.33 | adiblol | and I have to exchange + and - in patch file to revert a commit? |
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| 19:51.18 | adiblol | use http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git and andy-tracking? |
| 19:53.31 | adiblol | it is outdated. "last changeThu, 12 Feb 2009 12:08:20 +0000" |
| 19:54.33 | lindi- | adiblol: "clone" get the complete history. ALL versions ever |
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| 22:10.20 | adiblol | lindi-: I did echo 0 > /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/pcf50633-regltr.9/glamo3362.0/glamo-fb.0/xglamo_hack but it didn't help... so is it kernel bug? |
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