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| 13:13.38 | tim_abell | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/12/30/rogue_sms_danger/ |
| 13:15.07 | tim_abell | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/12/29/standard_charger/ |
| 13:15.15 | tim_abell | all interesting stuff for the neo and its distros |
| 13:23.16 | lindi- | tim_abell: that doesn't have much details yet though |
| 13:24.44 | tim_abell | i've been meaning to make an adaptor to make my neo automatically draw 1A from the car charger |
| 13:24.49 | tim_abell | haven't got round to it yet |
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| 13:27.03 | lindi- | tim_abell: do you really need an adaptor? you can just manually enable charging? |
| 13:27.13 | tim_abell | yeah, but it's a pain |
| 13:27.18 | tim_abell | and that only gives you 500ma |
| 13:27.31 | tim_abell | i think my motorolla usb charger can deliver the whole 1000mA |
| 13:27.45 | gena2x | tim_abell: .34 kernel seem like to set 1000mA even for usb |
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| 13:27.56 | tim_abell | oh right |
| 13:28.05 | tim_abell | i thought it had to ask nicely to get 1000 |
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| 13:28.17 | tim_abell | to avoid upsetting computers |
| 13:28.24 | lindi- | tim_abell: only gives 500 mA? |
| 13:28.41 | lindi- | tim_abell: surely you can force it to draw 1000 mA |
| 13:28.54 | tim_abell | the little slider in the power options in my build of shr defaults to 100mA, and i can slide it to 500mA |
| 13:29.21 | gena2x | tim_abell: shr protects your device from you? :) |
| 13:29.21 | tim_abell | you might be able to with dbus calls but that's more than i want to do when setting off in the car |
| 13:29.29 | tim_abell | apparently :) |
| 13:29.52 | gena2x | lindi-: is it possible to force charger to 1A with omhacks? |
| 13:30.52 | lindi- | gena2x: I think so |
| 13:31.13 | gena2x | hm... SMS of death |
| 13:31.24 | lindi- | sms of death is like http://achtbaan.nikhef.nl/27c3-stream/releases/mkv/%5b4060%5d%20SMS-o-Death/20101227-170003.wmv.mkv |
| 13:31.56 | gena2x | FR is in forward of all that phones - it has GSM modem which can die without SMS :) |
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| 13:32.10 | tim_abell | lol |
| 13:32.52 | tim_abell | is there a utube of that? |
| 13:33.03 | lindi- | utube? |
| 13:33.07 | tim_abell | youtube |
| 13:33.19 | tim_abell | that's quite a big download :) |
| 13:33.22 | lindi- | tim_abell: isn't that like non-free softwarE? |
| 13:33.37 | tim_abell | and my windoze box declines to play that vid as it downloads it |
| 13:33.53 | tim_abell | sadly i'm stuck in the land of the non-free at the moment :( |
| 13:34.13 | tim_abell | asp.net + visual studio = windows |
| 13:34.18 | gena2x | tim_abell: then move windoze box to trash bin :) |
| 13:34.21 | SpeedEvil | FR can even do the attack also mentioned in that conference - in principle. |
| 13:34.21 | tim_abell | man's gotta eat |
| 13:34.29 | SpeedEvil | To decrypt phone-calls. |
| 13:34.34 | tim_abell | gena2x: I wish |
| 13:34.53 | SpeedEvil | Though it would need a beefy PC to do the actual decrypt |
| 13:35.06 | tim_abell | the first time i called my mate's iphone from my fr his iphone crashed. most amusing |
| 13:35.16 | gena2x | hehe |
| 13:35.36 | gena2x | damn. i keep laughing. |
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| 13:54.25 | [Rui] | tim_abell: lOLOLOL |
| 13:54.38 | tim_abell | :) |
| 13:54.47 | tim_abell | iLOL'd too |
| 13:58.19 | [Rui] | rolls on the floor laughing |
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| 14:36.22 | gena2x | lindi-: thanks for link. not really impressing, just few funny bugs. i were involved in development of GSM hardware, so somwhow i am not surprised |
| 14:39.07 | gena2x | lindi-: i think it may be more funny to attack GSM switch |
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| 18:07.44 | PBeck | hi |
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| 19:10.54 | PBeck | ahoi |
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| 19:15.37 | PragmaticAnarchy | hi yall |
| 19:17.08 | PragmaticAnarchy | whats the easyest way to partition a sd card from linux? |
| 19:18.46 | gena2x | PragmaticAnarchy: it depends on you, partition table type |
| 19:19.40 | gena2x | PragmaticAnarchy: for me easiest is fdisk for DOS table, gdisk for GPT |
| 19:20.00 | gena2x | PragmaticAnarchy: for you this may be some kind of graphical tool |
| 19:21.06 | gena2x | PragmaticAnarchy: in general you partition sd card just like hdd - no diff at all |
| 19:21.24 | PragmaticAnarchy | i guess fdisk will do the trik i need ext3 and fat partitions |
| 19:22.46 | PragmaticAnarchy | ill try a tutorial from openmoko wiki.. i dont have the same device but i think that if i use the kernel from mines will work |
| 19:23.22 | gena2x | you may partition it on PC |
| 19:23.34 | gena2x | and fdisk will do job |
| 19:23.57 | PragmaticAnarchy | one more thing |
| 19:24.14 | PragmaticAnarchy | does openmoko have any kind of package manager? |
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| 19:24.52 | PragmaticAnarchy | in case i want to install plasma mobile |
| 19:30.02 | PBeck | PragmaticAnarchy: opkg |
| 19:30.08 | PBeck | PragmaticAnarchy: the same as ipkg |
| 19:39.24 | gena2x | PragmaticAnarchy: where is no 'openmoko' now. only community supported distros. shr based on opkg and qtmoko based on debian |
| 19:40.13 | lindi- | gena2x: opkg? |
| 19:40.30 | lindi- | gena2x: OE maybe? |
| 19:40.44 | gena2x | lindi-: sure, opkg is name of tool |
| 19:41.40 | gena2x | lindi-: i forgot details, you can provide more preciese information if you feel that is needed |
| 19:42.04 | lindi- | gena2x: I was just bit confused, I thought you were listing distros and wondered if there was some opkg distro at some point :) |
| 19:42.58 | gena2x | lindi-: question were about packages managers in 'openmoko' |
| 19:43.19 | lindi- | ah sorry didn't read anything else :) |
| 19:43.44 | gena2x | lindi-: damn cpufreq still now working. i think i wrote my version, but debugging now :) |
| 19:59.26 | gena2x | lindi-: look like it even working :) |
| 20:00.28 | gena2x | lindi-: lets test suspend/resume... |
| 20:01.06 | gena2x | lindi-: serials... |
| 20:01.57 | gena2x | lindi-: serials look fine |
| 20:03.07 | gena2x | lindi-: so... want to test working cpufreq? |
| 20:03.23 | gena2x | lindi-: so far without voltage regulation |
| 20:03.23 | lindi- | gena2x: I can put it to my test queue yes |
| 20:03.33 | lindi- | gena2x: let's move one step at a time :P |
| 20:03.35 | gena2x | lindi-: but works. |
| 20:03.55 | lindi- | still haven't tested your u-boot.. I guess I could now |
| 20:04.47 | lindi- | fires up the backup phone with "remote_power nokia_charger on" |
| 20:06.19 | gena2x | lindi-: 'backup phone' sounds a bit fearful |
| 20:09.03 | lindi- | well otherwise this scheduled downtime will count as real downtime :) |
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| 20:09.48 | gena2x | ah, damn. something with usb. need investigation. |
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| 20:11.56 | lindi- | gena2x: does that occur if you enable cpufreq or do you need to also switch frequencies for it to occur? |
| 20:12.22 | gena2x | lindi-: wait, wait. may be this not realed at all |
| 20:16.59 | gena2x | usb clocks are completely separate, should it should just work |
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| 23:05.09 | DocScrutinizer | gena2x: volt reg for cpufreq? check latest Nokia patches (if that'S for OMAP N900 at all). There have been instabilities |
| 23:06.42 | gena2x | DocScrutinizer: no way to see except experiment :) |
| 23:07.09 | gena2x | DocScrutinizer: and of course i am about gta02 |
| 23:07.28 | DocScrutinizer | gena2x: hmm, hw instabilities are hard to squish |
| 23:08.09 | DocScrutinizer | err, wasn't cpufreq for gta02 quite stable some time ago? |
| 23:08.32 | DocScrutinizer | and no, on 2442 all clocks are related |
| 23:08.47 | gena2x | DocScrutinizer: some aspects were not working |
| 23:09.03 | DocScrutinizer | that's the main poblem with 2442 cpufreq |
| 23:09.46 | DocScrutinizer | you can't switch clock on the fly while tty or usb or anything with a timing is still active |
| 23:10.38 | gena2x | DocScrutinizer: it's possible to set particular freqences like 400:100:50 300:100:50 200:100:50 100:100:50, so memory bus, peripherial bus and so remain stable |
| 23:11.16 | DocScrutinizer | athis doesn't apply to UARTs though afaik |
| 23:11.54 | gena2x | UART's clock source is peripherial bus |
| 23:12.20 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, so maybe my info is obsolete or even my memory is wrong |
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| 23:13.02 | DocScrutinizer | tbj I'm not exactly nterested in braindamaged samsung cpu design anymore |
| 23:13.20 | gena2x | it's it just arm core ;) |
| 23:13.31 | gena2x | s/it's/isn't/ |
| 23:13.32 | DocScrutinizer | lol, |
| 23:13.53 | gena2x | ok, i am not hw engineer |
| 23:14.00 | DocScrutinizer | SoC is as different as ... nevermind |
| 23:14.01 | gena2x | of course peripherial is not core |
| 23:15.35 | gena2x | DocScrutinizer: the clock source for UART's may be selected from FCLK, PCLK or UEXTCLK. and IMO author need to be sligly braindamaged to select FCLK |
| 23:34.46 | DocScrutinizer | IIRC UEXTCLK is NC on GTA02, a pity |
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| 23:35.49 | DocScrutinizer | but honestly this is way too long ago |
| 23:36.58 | DocScrutinizer | we considered having a trace from UEXTCLK to some nice clocksource on same SoC some 3 pins away, for GTA02A6 iirc. Think it never made it to MP though |
| 23:37.09 | DocScrutinizer | too risky :-S |
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| 23:41.05 | gena2x | :( but let's hope it will work. in the final end only dividers are changing, so hope it will not take too much time to interfere with serials |
| 23:41.35 | gena2x | cause we have slight moment then PCLK is slower than expected |
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