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| 14:35.23 | davide125 | hi, has anybody tried to rebase http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/om-2.6.34 over 2.6.35 ? |
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| 15:51.35 | larsc | davide125: only on .36 and .37 |
| 16:02.17 | davide125 | larsc, do you have a public repo for that work? |
| 16:02.29 | larsc | nope |
| 16:03.03 | larsc | i can push the .36 tree. but imo it has to many runtime regressions to be usefull |
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| 16:03.18 | davide125 | uhm, ok then |
| 16:03.32 | davide125 | I want to add support to openmoko for openbricks (http://www.openbricks.org) |
| 16:03.46 | davide125 | right now I'm using your om-2.6.34 branch |
| 16:04.15 | davide125 | but since for all the other platforms we use 2.6.35 i'd have preferred to be move on that |
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| 17:51.18 | samgee | The Freerunner can take any SIM card, right? Yesterday I tried my brother's SIM. SHR-u said "SOS only", QtMoko couldn't connect GSM at all. Both asked for the PIN multiple times. |
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| 17:51.46 | samgee | My own and another SIM work fine, so I figured his SIM is kind of broken. But it works in another phone, so I'm not sure. |
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| 18:03.50 | Broam | hmm. |
| 18:03.55 | Broam | samgee: what modem firmware version? |
| 18:04.25 | samgee | How do I check that? |
| 18:04.57 | Broam | samgee: in QtMoko it's in Applications -> System Info |
| 18:05.02 | Broam | samgee: then Modem tab |
| 18:05.33 | Broam | samgee: mine is GSM: gsm_ac_gp_fd_pu_em_cph_ds_vc_cal35_ri_36_amd8_tso0-Moko11 |
| 18:05.37 | Broam | the important part is Moko11 |
| 18:06.08 | Broam | beyond that samgee it might be that your operator is excluding any GSM hardware that does not do 3G |
| 18:06.53 | samgee | crap, my FR thought it would be a good idea to power off around this time. :/ |
| 18:06.57 | samgee | Rebooting. |
| 18:07.18 | samgee | My brother has the same operator as me, so that shouldn't be a problem. |
| 18:07.48 | samgee | Do operators do that? |
| 18:08.12 | Broam | I have heard reports from certain european providers. AT&T doesn't |
| 18:08.36 | samgee | is amazed every time about the retardedness of operators |
| 18:12.23 | samgee | Broam, gsm_ac_gp_fd_pu_em_cph_ds_vc_cal35_ri_36_amd8_ts0-Moko9-beta1 |
| 18:15.16 | Broam | samgee: you should get that to moko11. lemme see if I can find instructions |
| 18:16.05 | Broam | samgee: Do you have a FreeRunner or Neo1973? |
| 18:16.11 | samgee | FR |
| 18:16.21 | Broam | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing#.C2.B5SD-card_Image_.28GTA02_only.29 |
| 18:16.50 | samgee | thanks |
| 18:17.04 | Broam | read it carefully, and use a usd card you trust. |
| 18:17.27 | Broam | and make sure your battery is fully charged |
| 18:17.52 | samgee | That's one of the non-free parts of the phone, isn't it? |
| 18:17.56 | Broam | the only one, really |
| 18:18.15 | Broam | ok, GPS firmware too |
| 18:19.02 | samgee | ok |
| 18:19.35 | samgee | Wasn't there something about glamo too? |
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| 18:49.38 | DocScrutinizer | yep, glamo isn't completely used due to some NDA issues initially, but also due to uselesness of glamo at large |
| 18:49.45 | DocScrutinizer | ~glamo |
| 18:49.45 | apt | methinks glamo is http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Alists.openmoko.org+glamo+raster, or http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/gta03/2009-April/000114.html |
| 18:50.56 | DocScrutinizer | operators even may excluse particular IMEIs they think are not allowed in their network. In Japan and Korea you mustn't use your own phone, you have to buy one from carrier |
| 18:51.14 | proyvind | ls |
| 18:51.28 | DocScrutinizer | for GSM flashing use a card not >2GB |
| 18:53.10 | Broam | 2GB is ok. just not bigger |
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| 19:02.27 | samgee | My brother says his SIM card is 6-7 years old. Isn't that old enough to not be affected by pre-moko11 firmware? |
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| 19:35.34 | Broam | samgee: dunno...but moko11 fixes other bugs as well |
| 19:45.15 | samgee | I don't know if I suffer from any (other) firmware related bugs. Some people said they hear an echo, not sure why that is. It's good to know that I'm using the most free cell phone out there right now, but I'd like to avoid installing/upgrading non-free software nonetheless. |
| 19:45.33 | Broam | the modem firmware concerns wakeups when phone is in suspend. I was affected w/ moko10 |
| 19:46.05 | Broam | I'd like to see OsmocomBB have a freerunner build, but I'd want it to be stable |
| 19:46.26 | PaulFertser | samgee: with freerunner you're running proprietary code on the following components: |
| 19:46.53 | PaulFertser | samgee: gps, wifi, bluetooth, gsm (dsp core, baseband core). |
| 19:47.11 | Broam | wifi has firmware too? on chip or loaded at runtime? |
| 19:47.36 | PaulFertser | Broam: flash memory integrated in ar6001 module. |
| 19:47.51 | samgee | Interesting. |
| 19:47.52 | Broam | PaulFertser: aha, so technically user-upgradeable. |
| 19:47.54 | PaulFertser | samgee: and glamo has an arm core inside as well, running proprietary stuff. |
| 19:48.09 | PaulFertser | Broam: noone knows how to do that though. |
| 19:48.18 | Broam | Short version: most free out there, but far from absolute |
| 19:48.25 | Broam | PaulFertser: figured as much, otherwise someone would do it |
| 19:48.47 | samgee | Is this documented on the wiki somewhere? |
| 19:48.55 | PaulFertser | Broam: what about using any IC? You do not have access to theirs HDL sources as well. |
| 19:49.09 | Broam | PaulFertser: correct. |
| 19:49.13 | PaulFertser | Broam: how is an IC any different from a dedicated hardware running dedicated firmware? |
| 19:49.29 | Broam | PaulFertser: Well, if you want to get into THAT worm-pile, it depends on who can change it and when |
| 19:49.50 | PaulFertser | Broam: when OpenMoko contacted RMS for consulting, he told them to treat any modules with integrated firmware as hardware. |
| 19:50.07 | Broam | right - IF it is not author-upgradeable |
| 19:50.28 | PaulFertser | Broam: GPS firmware is technically not upgradable afaik, but you can patch it runtime. Bluetooth firmware is totally not upgradable (ROM). |
| 19:50.30 | Broam | if the manuf. has the same rights/abilities a user has |
| 19:50.52 | Broam | PaulFertser: then BT firmware is ok by fsf def'n. |
| 19:50.59 | Broam | gps can be patched run time? hmm. neat. |
| 19:51.43 | Broam | it's confusing but it makes sense. If a manuf. can upgrade firmware, a user should be able to too. |
| 19:51.50 | Broam | given the toolchain / etc. |
| 19:51.57 | PaulFertser | samgee: what i can tell you wrt moko10 -> moko11 upgrade is that the code was changed by the Openmoko folks. I.e. it's not technically free but this result was really a community effort. |
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| 19:52.38 | PaulFertser | Broam: i understand the reasoning. But one has to make compromises in this fucking life :/ |
| 19:53.08 | Weiss | PaulFertser: where did the "Glamo contains ARM" stuff come from? |
| 19:53.09 | PaulFertser | samgee: (wiki) most probably no, but feel free to make such a page ;) |
| 19:53.14 | Weiss | haven't seen anything to suggest that.. |
| 19:53.25 | samgee | Do Freerunners that are sold now (e.g. Pulster) have the new firmware? |
| 19:53.27 | Broam | PaulFertser: agreed. |
| 19:53.34 | PaulFertser | Weiss: hm, let me think... |
| 19:53.39 | PaulFertser | samgee: yes |
| 19:53.44 | samgee | PaulFertser, perhaps I will. Can I use parts of this IRC conversation? |
| 19:54.02 | Broam | PaulFertser: If one treats free software as an ideal we all strive towards, it works much better than one where it's a purity contest |
| 19:54.04 | PaulFertser | Weiss: probably some senseless speculation here on irc :( you should definitely know better. |
| 19:54.15 | PaulFertser | Broam: indeed, ack. |
| 19:54.18 | PaulFertser | samgee: sure |
| 19:54.56 | Weiss | PaulFertser: I think the 3365 has a "RISC core" of some kind.. not sure if the 3362 has that though (the docs are vague even on that subject...) |
| 19:55.17 | PaulFertser | Weiss: many thanks for correcting me |
| 19:55.26 | samgee | I'd feel a bit dumb to create a wishy-washy "I heard this on IRC" kind of page, but better than nothing, I guess. |
| 19:55.29 | PaulFertser | Weiss: btw, how's life? |
| 19:56.13 | Weiss | PaulFertser: not bad.. crazily busy.. next week I'm off to SFO via PHX.. |
| 19:56.14 | Broam | samgee: mention as many details as you can get |
| 19:56.26 | Broam | samgee: that page *will* get scrutiny |
| 19:56.28 | PaulFertser | Weiss: scientific work? |
| 19:56.41 | samgee | Broam, ok, good to know. :) |
| 19:57.02 | Weiss | PaulFertser: yep |
| 19:58.45 | Weiss | in about March, they let me sleep for a bit.. |
| 19:59.44 | PaulFertser | Weiss: it seems highly unlikely that a complex "multimedia controller" (with graphics acceleration, sdio controller etc) is totally hardwired, my uneducated guess would be that it does have some cpu core. |
| 20:00.21 | PaulFertser | Weiss: i hope you enjoy the work nevertheless :) |
| 20:00.55 | Weiss | yeah :D |
| 20:01.14 | Weiss | not 100% sure.. it has some characteristics, such as all shading operations taking one clock cycle no matter what |
| 20:01.32 | Broam | samgee: your concern is important. Have you seen the news story about the rootkit in the Broadcom Ethernet card firmware? |
| 20:02.10 | samgee | No o.0 |
| 20:02.28 | Broam | samgee: and there's been some security testing (sadly all blackbox) of GSM modems now that the community has a FLOSS GSM Tower implementation. Getting you some links |
| 20:03.09 | Broam | samgee: http://esec-lab.sogeti.com/dotclear/index.php?post/2010/11/21/Presentation-at-Hack.lu-:-Reversing-the-Broacom-NetExtreme-s-firmware |
| 20:04.35 | Broam | samgee: http://laforge.gnumonks.org/weblog/2010/11/07#20101107-hashdays2010 <- harald talks about some of his testing there. |
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| 20:06.28 | samgee | Ah, so the rootkit doesn't come from Broadcom themselves. |
| 20:06.37 | Broam | right |
| 20:06.41 | Broam | that makes it even more entertaining |
| 20:07.23 | Broam | we don't publish the source, but we don't make it difficult for anyone else to run code on our precious proprietary hardware |
| 20:08.06 | samgee | I should follow Harald's doings more closely. GSM (like most other hardware/low level stuff) is too annoying to ignore. |
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| 20:10.30 | Broam | or too interesting. |
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| 20:12.16 | Broam | samgee: the "all your baseband are belong to us" talk that harald points to was pretty good,and all I read were the slides |
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| 20:49.12 | samgee | Back. You wanna go for a quick wee and find yourself locked in a conversation^Wmonologue about lions. Other people in the house are such a nuisance. :p |
| 20:50.09 | samgee | Broam, I don't know if I'll understand much of it, but I'll check out the slides anyway when I have some time. Looks like something I'd like to know more about. |
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| 22:55.53 | Broam | samgee: back from dinner myself. |
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| 23:24.39 | choukoumoun | salut |
| 23:24.48 | choukoumoun | ya des francais dans le coin ? |
| 23:29.56 | Broam | (Traduit automatiquement) Je ne crois pas beaucoup de gens ici parlent français |
| 23:30.55 | choukoumoun | ok thank's |
| 23:31.03 | Broam | You're welcome |
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